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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Richie London on 29 February 2012, 19:00:17
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Going to be hired out for parties. :o
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2108181/HMS-Victory-party-boat-MoD-meet-16m-repair-bill.html
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What a shame, but I suppose it will help with its upkeep.
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party on a historical wooden ship.. ???
I dont know what they drink but I want from it!
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Splice the mainbrace, a good tot never did any Navy man any harm!!!
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hmmmmmmmmmm proper pussers rum :y
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rummmmmmmm in my tum :P :P :P
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hmmmmmmmmmm proper pussers rum :y
Mmmm! hic! :y :y :y
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I bet there's a few on here seen the golden rivet ;)
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;) whos turn in the barrel ? :y
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I was involved in lighting the Victorian festival of xmas, and the works certainly looked like they were costing a few quid....amazing ship though, sheer size and build for it's age is stunning
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I had my 21st party on board S.V. Carrick http://www.flickr.com/photos/scottishmaritimemuseum/galleries/72157624678749053/
My dad who was a Clyde Pilot, took her down the clyde to the maritime museum that was supposed to look after her. However somebody turned off the bilge pumps while she was moored and............
Ken
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Is the brass monkey still there in the gun bay I wonder.
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you're turn in the barrel type parties ;) ;D ;D ;D
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Is the brass monkey still there in the gun bay I wonder.
Aaah, but who can tell me why it is so called and where the saying comes from "Cold enough to freeze the balls of a brass monkey" eh????
Naval historians are exempt from this question though!
Jon
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Is the brass monkey still there in the gun bay I wonder.
Aaah, but who can tell me why it is so called and where the saying comes from "Cold enough to freeze the balls of a brass monkey" eh????
Naval historians are exempt from this question though!
Jon
Brassmonkey... device for holding cannonballs so they don't roll around as the ship pitches/rolls. basically a piece of brass with indents into which each ball sat, to make the lower base, the other balls sat on top of the lower rows.
Made of Brass which has a high coeffiecient of expansion compared to iron cannonballs, so as it got colder the brass shrank and the cannonballs became loose and rolled off ...
"Balls off the brassmonkey".. due to severe cold ... :)
I have no link to the navy at all ... other than we used to give the "Dark Blue" the odd lift around the world ... :)
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The expression comes from the heyday of sailing ships, all war ships carried iron cannons, those cannons fired round iron cannon balls, it was necessary to keep a good supply near the cannon, but to prevent them from rolling about the deck, the best storage method was to make a square-based pyramid with sixteen balls at the bottom building up to one at the top. But the problem was how to prevent the bottom layer from sliding or rolling from under the others. So they devised a metal plate called a "Monkey" with 16 round indentations.
The plate was made of iron so the iron balls would quickly rust to it. The solution to the rusting was to make "Brass Monkeys", but brass contracts much more and much faster than iron when cold. So when the temperature dropped too much, the brass indentations would shrink so much that the cannonballs would come right off the monkey. So this is were the quote, "Cold enough to freeze the balls off a brass monkey" comes from
I live about 3 miles from Historic Dockyard in Chatham :y
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Absolutely correct but I thought you might have waitied a while, just to see some other answers come in.
Living where you do I am not at all surprised you knew the answer!
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Yeah everyone who knew about the brass monkey well done but you were to quick to chime in I was hopping for some rather strange answers to that.
I knew what it was but then I do watch the history channel and all those other ones the misses reakons are boring.
But yes brass was and still is very temperature dependant.
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Absolutely correct but I thought you might have waitied a while, just to see some other answers come in.
Living where you do I am not at all surprised you knew the answer!
So why if, when standing on the roof of the bridge of a ship you are standing on the Monkey Island?? ;) ;) ;)
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From that great oracle of all things factual, Wikipedia.... :P
It is often stated that the phrase originated from the use of a brass tray, called a "monkey", to hold cannonballs on warships in the 16th to 18th centuries. Supposedly, in very cold temperatures the "monkey" would contract, causing the balls to fall off.[13] However, nearly all historians and etymologists consider this story to be an urban legend. This story has been discredited by the U.S. Department of the Navy,[14] etymologist Michael Quinion, and the Oxford English Dictionary (OED).[15]
They give five main reasons:
1.The OED does not record the term "monkey" or "brass monkey" being used in this way.
2.The purported method of storage of cannonballs ("round shot") is simply false. Shot was not stored on deck continuously on the off-chance that the ship might go into battle. Indeed, decks were kept as clear as possible.
3.Furthermore, such a method of storage would result in shot rolling around on deck and causing a hazard in high seas. Shot was stored on the gun or spar decks, in shot racks—longitudinal wooden planks with holes bored into them, known as shot garlands in the Royal Navy, into which round shot were inserted for ready use by the gun crew.
4.Shot was not left exposed to the elements where it could rust. Such rust could lead to the ball not flying true or jamming in the barrel and exploding the gun. Indeed, gunners would attempt to remove as many imperfections as possible from the surfaces of balls.
5.The physics does not stand up to scrutiny. The contraction of both balls and plate over the range of temperatures involved would not be particularly large. The effect claimed possibly could be reproduced under laboratory conditions with objects engineered to a high precision for this purpose, but it is unlikely it would ever have occurred in real life aboard a warship.
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:) Now looking out of the porthole "where is that golden rivet" :D :D
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:) Now looking out of the porthole "where is that golden rivet" :D :D
behind you! behind you!! ;D
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You'll be asking us land lubbers, what 'uckers' is next and terms like 'mixy blobs'. ;D ;D ;D
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You'll be asking us land lubbers, what 'uckers' is next and terms like 'mixy blobs'. ;D ;D ;D
As long as you don't "splif" on mine, I hate to have to "blow back 5"... :)
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Now that takes me back a few years........Two Six Heave.............. :D :D :D
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i didnt know that the ship had been there for so long
whats the betting theres a fire on it soon :'( :'(
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You'll be asking us land lubbers, what 'uckers' is next and terms like 'mixy blobs'. ;D ;D ;D
As long as you don't "splif" on mine, I hate to have to "blow back 5"... :)
Is that one of those "keys in the bowel" type party games?
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You'll be asking us land lubbers, what 'uckers' is next and terms like 'mixy blobs'. ;D ;D ;D
As long as you don't "splif" on mine, I hate to have to "blow back 5"... :)
Is that one of those "keys in the bowel" type party games?
You've have obviously never been introduced to the wonderful game of "uckers" ... part of the rules being that you MUST use the correct terminology whilst playing .. but you are not allowed to ask what the correct terminology is ...... :)
All is learned the hard way, or by watching those adepts of the game whose ability is a wonder when you first start !!
:)
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You'll be asking us land lubbers, what 'uckers' is next and terms like 'mixy blobs'. ;D ;D ;D
As long as you don't "splif" on mine, I hate to have to "blow back 5"... :)
Is that one of those "keys in the bowel" type party games?
You've have obviously never been introduced to the wonderful game of "uckers" ... part of the rules being that you MUST use the correct terminology whilst playing .. but you are not allowed to ask what the correct terminology is ...... :)
All is learned the hard way, or by watching those adepts of the game whose ability is a wonder when you first start !!
:)
Is that the one they also call Roger the Cabin Boy?
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You'll be asking us land lubbers, what 'uckers' is next and terms like 'mixy blobs'. ;D ;D ;D
As long as you don't "splif" on mine, I hate to have to "blow back 5"... :)
Is that one of those "keys in the bowel" type party games?
You've have obviously never been introduced to the wonderful game of "uckers" ... part of the rules being that you MUST use the correct terminology whilst playing .. but you are not allowed to ask what the correct terminology is ...... :)
All is learned the hard way, or by watching those adepts of the game whose ability is a wonder when you first start !!
:)
Is that the one they also call Roger the Cabin Boy?
Nope, thats Master Bates.....
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You'll be asking us land lubbers, what 'uckers' is next and terms like 'mixy blobs'. ;D ;D ;D
As long as you don't "splif" on mine, I hate to have to "blow back 5"... :)
As long as I don't 'suck back' first.... :) :)
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From that great oracle of all things factual, Wikipedia.... :P
It is often stated that the phrase originated from the use of a brass tray, called a "monkey", to hold cannonballs on warships in the 16th to 18th centuries. Supposedly, in very cold temperatures the "monkey" would contract, causing the balls to fall off.[13] However, nearly all historians and etymologists consider this story to be an urban legend. This story has been discredited by the U.S. Department of the Navy,[14] etymologist Michael Quinion, and the Oxford English Dictionary (OED).[15]
They give five main reasons:
1.The OED does not record the term "monkey" or "brass monkey" being used in this way.
2.The purported method of storage of cannonballs ("round shot") is simply false. Shot was not stored on deck continuously on the off-chance that the ship might go into battle. Indeed, decks were kept as clear as possible.
3.Furthermore, such a method of storage would result in shot rolling around on deck and causing a hazard in high seas. Shot was stored on the gun or spar decks, in shot racks—longitudinal wooden planks with holes bored into them, known as shot garlands in the Royal Navy, into which round shot were inserted for ready use by the gun crew.
4.Shot was not left exposed to the elements where it could rust. Such rust could lead to the ball not flying true or jamming in the barrel and exploding the gun. Indeed, gunners would attempt to remove as many imperfections as possible from the surfaces of balls.
5.The physics does not stand up to scrutiny. The contraction of both balls and plate over the range of temperatures involved would not be particularly large. The effect claimed possibly could be reproduced under laboratory conditions with objects engineered to a high precision for this purpose, but it is unlikely it would ever have occurred in real life aboard a warship.
Yeah right like anyone believes whats on there. I have seen one in the maratime museum and it was called a brass monkey that was what the sailors called it can't remember what its real name is.
And what do the yanks know anyway they didn't even have a navy back then.
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In this world of all things electronic as regards ships navigation the fall back is the basic Mk1 magnetic compass or the compass binnacle. As most things at sea are subject to massive corrosion from the salt water then materials such as brass are well used to prevent thism as well as prevent undue exterior magnetic influence.
On most large ships, the helmsman stands on the bridge and steers via electronic means but has a magnetic compass as a standby and this is mounted on the exterior of the roof of the bridge with the lower portion projecting downwards, through the roof (deckhead) into the bridge and into the helmsmans sightline.
As most large ships now are made of steel they are subject to their own magnetic field and thus influence a magnetic compass. This is where something called Kelvins Balls are used to alleviate magnetic influences on a magnetic compass.
These are generally iron spheres and painted to prevent coorrosion either side of the brass binnacle.
Example thus - http://www.acecrc.sipex.aq/access/page/?page=afcfbb2e-b886-102a-8ea7-0019b9ea7c60
and :- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binnacle
That gives the monkey island and brass balls colloquialisms as in use today.
Nowt to do with cannon balls per se, although there is a similarity. :y
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In this world of all things electronic as regards ships navigation the fall back is the basic Mk1 magnetic compass or the compass binnacle. As most things at sea are subject to massive corrosion from the salt water then materials such as brass are well used to prevent thism as well as prevent undue exterior magnetic influence.
On most large ships, the helmsman stands on the bridge and steers via electronic means but has a magnetic compass as a standby and this is mounted on the exterior of the roof of the bridge with the lower portion projecting downwards, through the roof (deckhead) into the bridge and into the helmsmans sightline.
As most large ships now are made of steel they are subject to their own magnetic field and thus influence a magnetic compass. This is where something called Kelvins Balls are used to alleviate magnetic influences on a magnetic compass.
These are generally iron spheres and painted to prevent coorrosion either side of the brass binnacle.
Example thus - http://www.acecrc.sipex.aq/access/page/?page=afcfbb2e-b886-102a-8ea7-0019b9ea7c60
and :- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binnacle
That gives the monkey island and brass balls colloquialisms as in use today.
Nowt to do with cannon balls per se, although there is a similarity. :y
LOL enough of the technical jargin you lost me at In this world of all things electronic.....
Lets not quash an old saying thats been around for years however it came about, sounds like a job for myth busters LOL
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My Grandfather was the last ever 'Button Boy' on HMS Victory 8). He used to have to stand on the perch at the top of the main mast :o. Didn't get my vertigo from him then ::)
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My Grandfather was the last ever 'Button Boy' on HMS Victory 8). He used to have to stand on the perch at the top of the main mast :o. Didn't get my vertigo from him then ::)
Really thats quality like it nice bit of history there then.
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My Grandfather was the last ever 'Button Boy' on HMS Victory 8). He used to have to stand on the perch at the top of the main mast :o. Didn't get my vertigo from him then ::)
Really thats quality like it nice bit of history there then.
He was also on HMS Ark Royal when she was topedoed, but no one knows why.... :-\
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My Grandfather was the last ever 'Button Boy' on HMS Victory 8). He used to have to stand on the perch at the top of the main mast :o. Didn't get my vertigo from him then ::)
Really thats quality like it nice bit of history there then.
He was also on HMS Ark Royal when she was topedoed, but no one knows why.... :-\
Sure it wasn't your uncle Albert?
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My Grandfather was the last ever 'Button Boy' on HMS Victory 8). He used to have to stand on the perch at the top of the main mast :o. Didn't get my vertigo from him then ::)
Really thats quality like it nice bit of history there then.
He was also on HMS Ark Royal when she was topedoed, but no one knows why.... :-\
Sure it wasn't your uncle Albert?
LOL ;D
He was on his way back from attending a high level meeting between Eisenhower, Stalin and Churchill, although exactly what he was doing there is anyones guess... Even now the meeting is still excluded by the Freedom of Information Act. :-\
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So no-one knows why he was on the Ark or why it was torpedoed?
Think I can answer the second one ::)
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So no-one knows why he was on the Ark or why it was torpedoed?
Think I can answer the second one ::)
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Even I'd worked out the second part... something to do with there being a war on and the Germans being a bit miffed that the Bismark had been sunk quite so spectacularly ::).
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So no-one knows why he was on the Ark or why it was torpedoed?
Think I can answer the second one ::)
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Even I'd worked out the second part... something to do with there being a war on and the Germans being a bit miffed that the Bismark had been sunk quite so spectacularly ::).
No sense of humour those Germans, look at what we drive.......
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;D No accounting for taste... ::) :-[ :-X
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;D No accounting for taste... ::) :-[ :-X
Agreed, some people like motorbikes or caravans :o