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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Galahad on 15 March 2012, 23:46:57
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Think putting a car into trade absolves you of any problems from the DVLA? Think again!
The DVLA are exploiting to the fullest, the SORN/Continuous Licensing introduction with full vigour, and they are taking vehicles you simply wouldn't expect.
They are currently in the South West of England right now, in the Bath/Bristol area, and they are only going to make this more widespread as it will pay them big money to do it before Government realises they've cocked up.
New rules introduced in 2004 stated that if you're not taxing your vehicle, it has to be declared SORN.
Recently, they also introduced rules stating that if the vehicle wasn't declared SORN, then it has to be insured.
Sounds great in principle, but what about Traders?
Filling out Section 9 of the V5C/3 Logbook (i.e. the yellow section) does NOT exempt you from the DVLA being able to take your car!!!!
Think i'm joking? Tell that to several traders near Bath that have had cars clamped and then removed.
The DVLA have subcontracted a company to go around in a new Transit, which has cameras on each corner of the roof. Allegedly they also have sound recording equipment that can work upto a range of 20metres or so from the van, so anything you say is recorded, so if you're trying to give someone a headsup to move a car, its on record, and obviously if you threaten the drivers/enforcement officers, they've got that down as well.
But herein lies the problem.
If you collect a vehicle from a customer that you've just bought that is on a SORN, the second the DVLA receive the yellow part of the logbook, that SORN is now NULL AND VOID.
The trader cannot and is not supposed to declare SORN, because they are not the registered keeper of the vehicle.
If the vehicle is still taxed, you don't have a problem, but if it isn't taxed, then you do.
So, you have a vehicle that is untaxed and now cannot be SORNed, so I asked the enforcement guy, "so technically you can still take the vehicle?" and he said "yes".
If its on a public highway.....they'll take it (people only have themselves to blame in that situation)
If its being worked on, they won't take it..... however.
If its on the work premises and has been in trade for what they perceive as a long duration and doesn't appear to be worked on.... they can take it!
If the vehicle is off the road but in a public car park or communal car park and isn't taxed or SORNed, they can take it!!
If the vehicle is on the driveway of a private dwelling (i.e. a house) and registered to that address, they can't take it!!
A vehicle also attracts their attention if from the date of expiry of the last tax disc (2months and 1 day from expiry), it hasn't been retaxed or SORNed, they can take it!!
A couple of local garages that have had customers cars, a couple of the cars were taken because they were working on other vehicles, and the DVLA basically said "you've got 5 cars here but only two are being worked on" so they took the others!!
You think i'm kidding? I asked a Police Officer on the legalities of cars being in trade, and he directed me to speak to the DVLA guy, "he'll know more of the ins and outs" he said......... which pretty much means the Police will give the DVLA Carte Blanche to do what they like, irrespective of whether or not its right or proper or legal.
Secondly, the DVLA guy was good enough to tell me that its down to his "reasonable discretion", which can largely mean anything.
I gave him the example of a massive car sales place that has 200 cars that are all in trade.
He tried to claim that DVLA wouldn't touch vehicles for a period of 6 weeks, and then they would expect the car to now be out of trade and put into someones name.
I said to him thats ridiculous, because it is entirely conceivable that a trader can legitimately have a car hanging around for a long duration unsold, and now you are insisting that the trader has to devalue the car by adding himself as an owner, just because he couldn't sell it quickly enough?!?!?
So, the upshot is, that lots more legitimate traders are going to lose some of their cars, through no fault of their own via a system that doesn't allow them the ability to escape without punishment.
Watch out chaps, if in doubt, keep them out of sight, he did say that he wouldn't be making a point to go into premises to seize vehicles, but did try to claim he could certainly do it.
Read more: http://retrorides.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=125488#ixzz3qEggFJxm
Please feel free to spread this around, this isn't BS, its not nonsense, its happening, and happening now!!!
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What an absolute piss take >:( >:( >:(
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Well thats Vosa / Dvla for you ::)
Nothing more then a bunch of money grabbin, pish taking merchant bankers >:( >:(
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Can a trader tax a vehicle with trade insurance?
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Can a trader tax a vehicle with trade insurance?
Yes if they fill out the little V5c but then they can't pass that slip onto the new owner when they sell it
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Perhaps this is just another underhand method of deleting all used cars like the scrappage scheme so that we can all drive around in a nice 'green' Prius.
I don't think anyone with an ounce of sense could every believe scrapping one item to buy another is environmentally friendly!
This make I laugh...
Forward to 2:52
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dXE6zSRsJc
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:y for Seasick Steve!
Love the Morris Minor guitar, too :D
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Interesting.
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How come this hasn't hit the media?
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Seems a similar cut'n'paste to the saving petrol circular to me...
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Seems a similar cut'n'paste to the saving petrol circular to me...
No mate its not. That link and the thread is entirely written by me.
I've witnessed all this first hand, its happening right now, and people seem to be utterly oblivious to it happening.
Media have been informed, as has the MP Mike Penning who is overall responsible for the DVLA from a ministerial angle.
DVLA are exploiting people plain and simple, and the reason why they are targetting traders? From the DVLA enforcement officers own mouth "because they are such easy targets, its easy pickings, we can't keep up with the amount of vehicles we're seizing".
Please do NOT get complacent over this, this is not a random circular by someone with too much time on their hands, I had to literally HIDE all my vehicles yesterday because of this.
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Can a trader tax a vehicle with trade insurance?
Yes if they fill out the little V5c but then they can't pass that slip onto the new owner when they sell it
I tax vehicles with my trade insurance without any problems, and the Post Office dosn't require the green slip to be filled out. That's fine for part timers like me with one car at a time, but a potential costly nightmare for traders with lots of stock!! :-\
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Can a trader tax a vehicle with trade insurance?
Yes if they fill out the little V5c but then they can't pass that slip onto the new owner when they sell it
I tax vehicles with my trade insurance without any problems, and the Post Office dosn't require the green slip to be filled out. That's fine for part timers like me with one car at a time, but a potential costly nightmare for traders with lots of stock!! :-\
Didn't realise you could get away without doing that,we live and learn :y :y
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I've never had a problem, but I always make sure they see the traders insurance first and be very friendly!!! ;)
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Must admit I thought a traders insurance policy, although far from cheap, covered all that, no?
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I've never had a problem, but I always make sure they see the traders insurance first and be very friendly!!! ;)
Your lucky then, think it was 2009' POs where told, only to tax vehcles with the correct Reg No and Reg Keeper needs to be same, I have real issues with it, I even print off from my Trade Website, a list of vehcles currently on my Insurance, they nearly allways insist I fill in the new keeper slip, at which point I walk out and hit the next Post Pffice.
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How long before traders are whalloped like they are in other EU countries? When you buy a car even to sell on as a trader it has to go into your name. That attracts cost and a tax. The tax can be about 6% of the Government BOOK value. As a rule of thumb all cars are taxed and insured end of. No wonder there isn't a thriving S/H business. Cars stay in the family except for deaths (or they develop a fault- in which case they sell them to me)