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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: Wayne on 17 March 2012, 23:28:46
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Hi Guys
my father is going to look at a Silver 2003 plate Renault Laguna tomorrow for £1995, he hasn't told me if its a 1.9 or 2.2 diesel, its done 30,000 miles only, 1 owner (an elderly couple) i think it has service history with it
my questions are
1: what to look for when buying a Laguna
2: which is the better car, the 1.9 or 2.2 Diesel?
any advice would be great as were going for a test drive tomorrow at 11am
Regards
Wayne
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If a car has any connection at all with France, don't buy it.
Or take It for free for that matter.
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Check every thing electrical works and that there are no warning lamps on,with that milage running gear should be fine :y
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Buy a 1970,s Skoda.It will give a lot less trouble. :y :D
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It's French, so the electrics WILL f**k up at some point.
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Brother had one from new. It was 120bhp diesel can't remember engine size. There was a massive recall which led to the turbo and associated gubbins being replaced under warranty. Check it's been carried as the bits cost over 1600 quid. Tyre pressure sensor if fitted will go wrong. Six speed gearbox was dead after 75k miles. Not driven hard either. If the diesel injectors go wrong it's a major job and loads of money. Xenon headlights go wrong. When going it was lovely. Nice drive loads of toys and very very comfy. My Bro always said he would have another one but only if he could ditch it every 3 years. For relatively small engine diesel it wasn't that good on fuel. If it was me and I was looking to buy a car for that money and age it would have to be a Passat or Skoda diesel. Find a nice 130bhp one which has full service history and it will go on for ever.
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If a car has any connection at all with France, don't buy it.
Or take It for free for that matter.
Nothing more to say, all data in post above
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Beware of both the diesel engine variants, they dont take to Renault service intervals well and can lunch themselves before 100K if the oil is not attended to at more sensible intervals.
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It's French, so the electrics WILL f**k up at some point.
Along with any other component made of swiss cheese instead of a suitable grade of steel that will require half the car to be dismantled to change it. Been there, got the t-shirt several times.
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Having owed two Renaults, a Laguna and a clit, I would never, ever buy a Renault again.
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my friend had a auto petrol one (2003) .. had no probs.. he was only scared of auto..
diesels may be different tough.. if oil changes neglected may bring expensive repairs as usual..
"On diesels, blocked crankcase gas 'EGR' valves are leading to high engine temperatures and turbo and intercooler failures. "
http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/carbycar/renault/laguna-ii-2001/?section=bad (http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/carbycar/renault/laguna-ii-2001/?section=bad)
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my friend had a auto petrol one (2003) .. had no probs.. he was only scared of auto..
diesels may be different tough.. if oil changes neglected may bring expensive repairs as usual..
"On diesels, blocked crankcase gas 'EGR' valves are leading to high engine temperatures and turbo and intercooler failures. "
http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/carbycar/renault/laguna-ii-2001/?section=bad (http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/carbycar/renault/laguna-ii-2001/?section=bad)
Lets just say that the Renault varaiant vans (which include the Vx ones) often struggle to see 80k miles....
The Renault auto boxes are bloody awful and should be avoided in the larger engined cars such as the V6
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and as for clit's.. mine was highly neglected.. despite that , it didnt require anything other than normal wear tear items .. only exception , it required a new idle valve and an alternator with an extra feed cable to battery.. and its year 2000 :) :y and it avgs 7, 7.5 l/100 km (max 8 in -10 celcius) with my running from hell driving style ;D
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my friend had a auto petrol one (2003) .. had no probs.. he was only scared of auto..
diesels may be different tough.. if oil changes neglected may bring expensive repairs as usual..
"On diesels, blocked crankcase gas 'EGR' valves are leading to high engine temperatures and turbo and intercooler failures. "
http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/carbycar/renault/laguna-ii-2001/?section=bad (http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/carbycar/renault/laguna-ii-2001/?section=bad)
Lets just say that the Renault varaiant vans (which include the Vx ones) often struggle to see 80k miles....
The Renault auto boxes are bloody awful and should be avoided in the larger engined cars such as the V6
agreed.. and auto should be avoided in all cars ;D :y
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Can't say anything about running/engine side but from a mot side check the track rod ends and rear axle/subframe bushes as these seem to be common fails.
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Fuel pumps can be problematic as can some of the pulleys falling apart, personally I wouldn't go near one and for 2K would a diseasal miggy not fit the bill a bit more in terms of reliability?
Modern diesels scare the crap out of me in terms of repair costs for pumps/injectors etc. :o
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Fuel pumps can be problematic as can some of the pulleys falling apart, personally I wouldn't go near one and for 2K would a diseasal miggy not fit the bill a bit more in terms of reliability?
Modern diesels scare the crap out of me in terms of repair costs for pumps/injectors etc. :o
same here.. also add turbo problems.. if one day I will buy a diesel (and if I have the money) that must be a japanese one.. :-\
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in a word dont!! hpwever if you must then the 2.2 is much heavier on fuel, and it eats egr valves!
if it was free giveaway would still not have it!!
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Personally I think some of the negatives comments are a little outdated, over-repeated cliches that wore out some years ago. I certainly am not denying that people may have had problems with French cars, and believe those who say they have. But saying all French cars are crap, ALL electrics on french cars are crap etc is misleading. Similarly, if your experiences lead you to never have another french car, that's fine - it's a personal opinion - but to compare a 2003 Laguna with whatever bad experience you may have had with car car built in the 80s or 90s is not a great deal of help to the OP
From my own experiences I would say look at shocks. Mud and crap collected on the top and rotted them away. Again, one could say a little outdated advice from myself. It was a 1995 Laguna, which with the exception of shocks, had only routine maintenance up to 260000 km when I sold it. Also had a R5, a Peugeot 205, both no problem. Family members had clits and R5, also no significant problems.
I think the Laguna is a not bad choice of car, but cannot comments on the diesels.
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Personally I think some of the negatives comments are a little outdated, over-repeated cliches that wore out some years ago. I certainly am not denying that people may have had problems with French cars, and believe those who say they have. But saying all French cars are crap, ALL electrics on french cars are crap etc is misleading. Similarly, if your experiences lead you to never have another french car, that's fine - it's a personal opinion - but to compare a 2003 Laguna with whatever bad experience you may have had with car car built in the 80s or 90s is not a great deal of help to the OPFrom my own experiences I would say look at shocks. Mud and crap collected on the top and rotted them away. Again, one could say a little outdated advice from myself. It was a 1995 Laguna, which with the exception of shocks, had only routine maintenance up to 260000 km when I sold it. Also had a R5, a Peugeot 205, both no problem. Family members had clits and R5, also no significant problems.
I think the Laguna is a not bad choice of car, but cannot comments on the diesels.
It may seem a bit harsh but the number of these I see as spares or repair on the bay due to fuelling issues it's fair to say they number more than other cars, a fuel pump and some injectors on the car in question would likely rule it beyond economic repair so when laying out 2k it is best to reduce the risk of this as much as possible. I find the "french" component layout usually means most jobs are a nightmare.
Depending on the mileage being covered I would go for a jap petrol or the like.
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Far from outdated advice, I had a '95 Mk 1 Laguna and it was a good, solid car (an exception for Renault). Only 1 electrical problem in 137k miles too.
That was before they figured out that if you have a section of wiring loom chafing on the jagged edge of a metal panel, It'll all go horribly wrong.
Sadly, they fixed that in the Mk 2 by removing all the metal panels and replacing them with tupperware.
I wouldn't touch a later Laguna with a barge pole.
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Personally I think some of the negatives comments are a little outdated, over-repeated cliches that wore out some years ago. I certainly am not denying that people may have had problems with French cars, and believe those who say they have. But saying all French cars are crap, ALL electrics on french cars are crap etc is misleading. Similarly, if your experiences lead you to never have another french car, that's fine - it's a personal opinion - but to compare a 2003 Laguna with whatever bad experience you may have had with car car built in the 80s or 90s is not a great deal of help to the OP
From my own experiences I would say look at shocks. Mud and crap collected on the top and rotted them away. Again, one could say a little outdated advice from myself. It was a 1995 Laguna, which with the exception of shocks, had only routine maintenance up to 260000 km when I sold it. Also had a R5, a Peugeot 205, both no problem. Family members had clits and R5, also no significant problems.
I think the Laguna is a not bad choice of car, but cannot comments on the diesels.
Far from outdated advice, I had a '95 Mk 1 Laguna and it was a good, solid car (an exception for Renault). Only 1 electrical problem in 137k miles too.
That was before they figured out that if you have a section of wiring loom chafing on the jagged edge of a metal panel, It'll all go horribly wrong.
Sadly, they fixed that in the Mk 2 by removing all the metal panels and replacing them with tupperware.
I wouldn't touch a later Laguna with a barge pole.
Wouldn't take my comments too personally ;)
As I said ... some.
It was more of a general comment too .. .whether it be about French cars, Italian cars that rust, German cars that bla bla bla.
And by your own admission, it was a good, solid car.
And '95 is some time ago eh? I know it doesn't feel like it, but it is 17 years now. So yes, just my own advice, potentially a little outdated. Time passes quicker the older you get .. ;)
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My son-in-law bought a brand new one in 2002. After 6 months he got his money back!
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:( :( layshafts in gearbox are very week expect to change them after 0-50000miles dont buy
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woah!!!
only just come back on here, lol
my dad got to the garage and saw it was an AUTO and said "sod that" ha ha ha :o
here was the advert http://www.gumtree.com/p/cars-vans-motorbikes/renault-laguna-2003-diesel-30000-miles/92384278
i have read him all your comments and he says thanks for saving his life ;D
now he`s looking at a Ford Mondeo Ghia with all the fancy gadgets on it with a ZETEC Engine on a 2004 reg, diesel obviously
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i wouldnt have paid that much for with all them scratches,debt and smashed mirror,so previous wasnt that carefull then ::)
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Not many straight panels on that at all , looks like its been on the fair ground bumper car track :-\
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Not all French cars are bad , my 406hDi has done 200k and everything still works as it should :y
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Personally I think some of the negatives comments are a little outdated, over-repeated cliches that wore out some years ago. I certainly am not denying that people may have had problems with French cars, and believe those who say they have. But saying all French cars are crap, ALL electrics on french cars are crap etc is misleading. Similarly, if your experiences lead you to never have another french car, that's fine - it's a personal opinion - but to compare a 2003 Laguna with whatever bad experience you may have had with car car built in the 80s or 90s is not a great deal of help to the OP
From my own experiences I would say look at shocks. Mud and crap collected on the top and rotted them away. Again, one could say a little outdated advice from myself. It was a 1995 Laguna, which with the exception of shocks, had only routine maintenance up to 260000 km when I sold it. Also had a R5, a Peugeot 205, both no problem. Family members had clits and R5, also no significant problems.
I think the Laguna is a not bad choice of car, but cannot comments on the diesels.
Far from outdated advice, I had a '95 Mk 1 Laguna and it was a good, solid car (an exception for Renault). Only 1 electrical problem in 137k miles too.
That was before they figured out that if you have a section of wiring loom chafing on the jagged edge of a metal panel, It'll all go horribly wrong.
Sadly, they fixed that in the Mk 2 by removing all the metal panels and replacing them with tupperware.
I wouldn't touch a later Laguna with a barge pole.
Wouldn't take my comments too personally ;)
As I said ... some.
It was more of a general comment too .. .whether it be about French cars, Italian cars that rust, German cars that bla bla bla.
And by your own admission, it was a good, solid car.
And '95 is some time ago eh? I know it doesn't feel like it, but it is 17 years now. So yes, just my own advice, potentially a little outdated. Time passes quicker the older you get .. ;)
No offence taken. My reply was made with tongue in cheek. I guess a few smilies might have helped... ;)
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My mum has one.... i was going to chip in with a recounting of the n umber of times i've had to fix the electric windows so they'll close, the central locking so ALL the doors actually wither lock or unlock....
noting as i go that the windows do not actually keep the rain out.... of the door or the interior....
and they've had 2 new auto boxes....
NEVER again....
but seeing as your dad had good sense...
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woah!!!
only just come back on here, lol
my dad got to the garage and saw it was an AUTO and said "sod that" ha ha ha :o
here was the advert http://www.gumtree.com/p/cars-vans-motorbikes/renault-laguna-2003-diesel-30000-miles/92384278
i have read him all your comments and he says thanks for saving his life ;D
now he`s looking at a Ford Mondeo Ghia with all the fancy gadgets on it with a ZETEC Engine on a 2004 reg, diesel obviously
Now that's more like it...... not biased mind ::)
The Mk3 petrols are Duratec lumps, the diesels are Duratorq - both good lumps with chain driven cams. Good luck