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The government will be able to monitor the calls, emails, texts and website visits of everyone in the UK under new legislation set to be announced soon.
Tory MP David Davis called it "an unnecessary extension of the ability of the state to snoop on ordinary people".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17576745 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17576745)
I agree wholeheartedly with David Davis.
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The government will be able to monitor the calls, emails, texts and website visits of everyone in the UK under new legislation set to be announced soon.
Tory MP David Davis called it "an unnecessary extension of the ability of the state to snoop on ordinary people".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17576745 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17576745)
I agree wholeheartedly with David Davis.
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What makes you think that it`s not already being done ???
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big brother is watching you
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welcome to my world ;D
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I'm really not sure this isn't already in place ;)
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(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT5-Az7ZglmKiP75CDgvsLem5XHTSunZTJPZdaUoT4j-rEg5JznKA)
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this madness started long time ago.. but on analog systems , it was not easy to listen too many at a time as required expensive equipment at the time.. but listening and recording in digital systems costs nearly 0..
so be prepared.. govt will learn how much you eat in lunch and you sh*t after ;D
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The government will be able to monitor the calls, emails, texts and website visits of everyone in the UK under new legislation set to be announced soon.
Tory MP David Davis called it "an unnecessary extension of the ability of the state to snoop on ordinary people".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17576745 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17576745)
I agree wholeheartedly with David Davis.
>:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
What makes you think that it`s not already being done ???
To monitor anyone and everyone at will would require the compliance of the ISPs and I'm not sure that they would go along with it too easily.
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The government will be able to monitor the calls, emails, texts and website visits of everyone in the UK under new legislation set to be announced soon.
Tory MP David Davis called it "an unnecessary extension of the ability of the state to snoop on ordinary people".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17576745 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17576745)
I agree wholeheartedly with David Davis.
>:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
What makes you think that it`s not already being done ???
To monitor anyone and everyone at will would require the compliance of the ISPs and I'm not sure that they would go along with it too easily.
I think they already do... ...though thinking aloud, it *may* just be logs currently, but these can be pretty detailed ;)
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The government will be able to monitor the calls, emails, texts and website visits of everyone in the UK under new legislation set to be announced soon.
Tory MP David Davis called it "an unnecessary extension of the ability of the state to snoop on ordinary people".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17576745 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17576745)
I agree wholeheartedly with David Davis.
>:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
What makes you think that it`s not already being done ???
To monitor anyone and everyone at will would require the compliance of the ISPs and I'm not sure that they would go along with it too easily.
who give their license .. they have to..
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big brother is watching you
and probably has been for quite some time ;D
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The government will be able to monitor the calls, emails, texts and website visits of everyone in the UK under new legislation set to be announced soon.
Tory MP David Davis called it "an unnecessary extension of the ability of the state to snoop on ordinary people".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17576745 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17576745)
I agree wholeheartedly with David Davis.
>:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
What makes you think that it`s not already being done ???
To monitor anyone and everyone at will would require the compliance of the ISPs and I'm not sure that they would go along with it too easily.
who give their license .. they have to..
And they will be paid, by the government (taxpayer), for their trouble.
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The government will be able to monitor the calls, emails, texts and website visits of everyone in the UK under new legislation set to be announced soon.
Tory MP David Davis called it "an unnecessary extension of the ability of the state to snoop on ordinary people".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17576745 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17576745)
I agree wholeheartedly with David Davis.
>:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
What makes you think that it`s not already being done ???
To monitor anyone and everyone at will would require the compliance of the ISPs and I'm not sure that they would go along with it too easily.
who give their license .. they have to..
And they will be paid, by the government (taxpayer), for their trouble.
when the bad day comes, believe me taxpayer will be willing to pay twice .. I wish you will never understand what I say here.. :-\
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The hateful Stalinist Liebore govt tried to introduce this about 6 years ago but abandoned it due to fierce opposition from the Conservatives and the Libdems.
This Govt is neither Conservative or Liberal. >:(
Just surprised that someone hasnt yet posted up the "If youve nothing to hide youve nothing to fear" chestnut. ::)
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Just surprised that someone hasnt yet posted up the "If youve nothing to hide youve nothing to fear" chestnut. ::)
Whether or not I agree with it is not relevent, but I would have to say I do understand why. Whilst we have to tolerate people who make it their mission to kill innocent citizens, I think our own privacy will reduce :'(
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Conversely is the threat of terrorism being used to justify the increasing "Police State"?
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It wont prevent that.They will be aware and find ways around it. Criminals of any description always do.It will be the general populace who will suffer,but the breakwits in Whitehall will be able to produce some starts to say what a great success the whole thing has been.If you give up your freedom in the name of protecting freedom,where does that leave you ? It means those attacking freedom have won.
The only possible hope of defeating terrorists is good intelligence from inside sources etc.This type of thing will never do the job.
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Just surprised that someone hasnt yet posted up the "If youve nothing to hide youve nothing to fear" chestnut. ::)
Whether or not I agree with it is not relevent, but I would have to say I do understand why. Whilst we have to tolerate people who make it their mission to kill innocent citizens, I think our own privacy will reduce :'(
Yes, we need to protect the public, but that does not mean a blanket charter for the government to snoop. If they have reason to suspect someone is planning a terrorist outrage, the security services should apply for (and most times be granted) a warrant to eavesdrop, in the same way they need a warrant to search someone's home. They should not be given a blank cheque to snoop on anyone (e.g. their political foes, perchance?).
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Conversely is the threat of terrorism being used to justify the increasing "Police State"?
Absolutely! :y :y
Consider the level of personal intrusion at UK airports with their body scanners, with that at Tel Aviv, where they use "positive profiling". Oh yes, sorry, that's racist, innit? ;)
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Conversely is the threat of terrorism being used to justify the increasing "Police State"?
If it *was* genuinely purely for the threat of terrorism, it might sit easier with me.
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Take a drive down the A59 between Skipton and Harrogate and as you pass RAF Menworth Hill, watch the signal disappear on your phone and gps ;)
That place has been listening and watching for "key words" in your phone calls / text messages and e mails for at least 20 years.
Anything that is flaged up is sent down the chain to GCHQ or across the water to the states and then passed on to the relevent sections of the various inteligence services for further investigations if needed.
If this law is passed, it just means that the cps can use any infomation gained in this way in a UK civilian court of law ;)
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Conversely is the threat of terrorism being used to justify the increasing "Police State"?
yes.. and more than that, ambitious politicians use that tool to bend democracy if there is any left..
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Conversely is the threat of terrorism being used to justify the increasing "Police State"?
That is exactly the concern! TBH this worry has been growing at a steady rate since 9/11 and I dont think its just pure conspiracy theory either that the continuous errosion of privacy under the guise of the "war on terror" is being done for legitimate or ethical reasons alone. Thankfully we are not living in a totally "Big Brother" state just yet but such monitoring methods are the start of a slippery slope. As others have said however, technology is constantly evolving and the reality is that the serious criminals/terrorists will always be able to slip through the nets at some point whatever new methods are adopted :-\
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With most major ISPs in the UK and many other countries this is already happening and has been for many years. Legislation will bring on board those ISPs that have resisted and makes the evidence 'openly' available for the courts.
Saying phone calls / emails won't be / aren't already monitored is bull as they are for keywords already.
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I wonder if they monitor forums.
BLOW UP THE HOUSES OF PARLIAMENT!!
I'll wait for the knock on the door now ::)
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I wonder if they monitor forums.
BLOW UP THE HOUSES OF PARLIAMENT!!
I'll wait for the knock on the door now ::)
+1, we need a modern day Mr Fawkes. (looks nervously over shoulder)
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If it helps protect us from terrorists and crimminals I for one am all for it. After all I have nothing to hide. If they wish to read my e-mails to you lot about car faffing then let em. They won't be interested in the like's of us. The only people who should be worried is those who have something to hide. So I for one don't have a issue with it. Same as I didn't have a issue with the idea of ID cards. If it means it helps stop some jumped up nutter hurting my family then bring it on.
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I wonder if they monitor forums.
BLOW UP THE HOUSES OF PARLIAMENT!!
I'll wait for the knock on the door now ::)
Say it on the phone and wait ;) ;D ;D
If it helps protect us from terrorists and crimminals I for one am all for it. After all I have nothing to hide. If they wish to read my e-mails to you lot about car faffing then let em. They won't be interested in the like's of us. The only people who should be worried is those who have something to hide. So I for one don't have a issue with it. Same as I didn't have a issue with the idea of ID cards. If it means it helps stop some jumped up nutter hurting my family then bring it on.
That's the problem, the new laws aren't helping you at all.
If anything, the new laws are being abused to the hilt and nothing is done when it is discovered the authorities have acted illegally (example at http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1584713/Poole-council-spies-on-family-over-school-claim.html )
As for not being interested in us doing whatever (eg, putting the wrong type of rubbish in a bin), that's already happening.
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Aha!
Just found out that it's an EU Directive (2006/24/EC).
No chance of stopping it then. >:(
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Just surprised that someone hasnt yet posted up the "If youve nothing to hide youve nothing to fear" chestnut. ::)
If it helps protect us from terrorists and crimminals I for one am all for it. After all I have nothing to hide.
Be surprised no longer Albs. ;) ::)
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... After all I have nothing to hide ....
I do. I forgot to leave my recycling bin out this morning, so I fully expect to see a black helicopter following me around to make sure I'm not throwing away any cardboard boxes. ::)
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Just surprised that someone hasnt yet posted up the "If youve nothing to hide youve nothing to fear" chestnut. ::)
If it helps protect us from terrorists and crimminals I for one am all for it. After all I have nothing to hide.
Be surprised no longer Albs. ;) ::)
It was always going to happen Nick. ;) ::) ;D
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I wonder if they monitor forums.
BLOW UP THE HOUSES OF PARLIAMENT!!
I'll wait for the knock on the door now ::)
we are busy wait! ;D
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Government plans to access details of every email and website sent in Britain would be an impractical waste of money that would make the UK more like China and Iran, a leading British technology expert has said.
Trefor Davies, Chief Technology Officer at business internet service provider Timico, wrote on telegraph.co.uk that the proposed measures could also drive users underground and make tracking paedophiles and copyright infringers far harder.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/news/9180624/Digital-surveillance-practically-impossible.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/news/9180624/Digital-surveillance-practically-impossible.html)
A voice of reason. :y
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Exactly, it gets bought in to stop "terrorism" who then obviously find differant methods to comunicate (didnt we have terrorists before the internet) then once its in, they will abuse the system and our rights, and others will no doubt find a way to get the information we send/use. raaaaa raaaa raaaa >:(
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I see the Telegraph is running a vote on this issue.
Currently, it stands at 6.89% in favour and 93.11% against (total: 12,706 votes) . :y
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/journalists/rowena-mason/9183503/Nick-Clegg-promises-plans-to-snoop-on-emails-will-get-highest-possible-safeguards.html#disqus_thread (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/journalists/rowena-mason/9183503/Nick-Clegg-promises-plans-to-snoop-on-emails-will-get-highest-possible-safeguards.html#disqus_thread)
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I ran a project to develop a layer 2 protocol for some mainline telecoms kit to support such a function as defined in the IEEE standards.
The 'port mirroring' function is quite basic but, when you sit and look at the data throughput its chuffing huge.....it truely was a git to test!
Quite what you do with the info is questionable as it takes quite a bit of analysis to interpret whats passed.!
Clearly only of any use for specific targeted individuals in reality, would I be worried about them looking at my packet based traffic.....no not realy. Would I want them to be able to monitor that of say Abu Hamza......yes probably.
For me, its yet another load of miss reported bull by the press particularly when you consider what info is aleady processed from a marketing perspective by the likes of google etc.
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I ran a project to develop a layer 2 protocol for some mainline telecoms kit to support such a function as defined in the IEEE standards.
The 'port mirroring' function is quite basic but, when you sit and look at the data throughput its chuffing huge.....it truely was a git to test!
Quite what you do with the info is questionable as it takes quite a bit of analysis to interpret whats passed.!
Clearly only of any use for specific targeted individuals in reality, would I be worried about them looking at my packet based traffic.....no not realy. Would I want them to be able to monitor that of say Abu Hamza......yes probably.
For me, its yet another load of miss reported bull by the press particularly when you consider what info is aleady processed from a marketing perspective by the likes of google etc.
Not really, Mark. the government will be proposing the ability to monitor in real time all emails, social networking & website visits made by any individual – without a warrant. They already have the ability to tap into the online behaviour of those they consider serious threats.
As an analogy, if you feel comfortable having all your post arriving re-sealed having been examined before delivery, that's fine.
I don't. >:(
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As a computer illiterate user Ive just been reading "Worm" by Mark Bowden which explains the complexities of the development of the internet and its (rather scarily) vulnerability in the kind of layman's terms I (sort of ;D) understand. The point is that however smart the technology is there are always going to be equally smart "baddies" as there are "good guys" and that the battle between the two will be endless over developing new security systems and broaching them. That applies to cyberspace and the digital world as much as it does to anything else in the "real" world. Its human nature. The problem is that the vast majority of users are not criminals or terrorists and so on what basis should their privacy be breached? Moreover, although the protagonists in Mr Bowden's book are portrayed as rather idealistic "geek" good guys, they all now work for very large corporate organizations and such "big buisinesses" have long been linked with the political parties so are the "good guys" themselves using the information they have access to in less than ethical ways? I dont doubt that the idealism of many of the pioneers of the internet (leastways those not working for the military!)was genuine and that the fact that there was no single controling body was seen as a good thing but the inherent vulnerability of such a system was always going to be exploited. The genuinely threatening criminals/terrorists will always find a way around any system so why put the liberties of the vast "innocent" at risk? And who should make that call? This is not to say, of course, that there should not be any security systems/policing to protect this general populace but surely there should be limits as there are real dangers to the "Big Brother" extremes being contemplated.
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I ran a project to develop a layer 2 protocol for some mainline telecoms kit to support such a function as defined in the IEEE standards.
The 'port mirroring' function is quite basic but, when you sit and look at the data throughput its chuffing huge.....it truely was a git to test!
Quite what you do with the info is questionable as it takes quite a bit of analysis to interpret whats passed.!
Clearly only of any use for specific targeted individuals in reality, would I be worried about them looking at my packet based traffic.....no not realy. Would I want them to be able to monitor that of say Abu Hamza......yes probably.
For me, its yet another load of miss reported bull by the press particularly when you consider what info is aleady processed from a marketing perspective by the likes of google etc.
Not really, Mark. the government will be proposing the ability to monitor in real time all emails, social networking & website visits made by any individual – without a warrant. They already have the ability to tap into the online behaviour of those they consider serious threats.
As an analogy, if you feel comfortable having all your post arriving re-sealed having been examined before delivery, that's fine.
I don't. >:(
They cannot do it for everyone. So its not much different to current, except they can be dynamic when a situation starts to come to light.
I can't say I'm comfortable with it, but the alternative is to shoot suspects. As much as I like the latter, its probably less practical than the former.
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All this publicity does them no favours either, because it's trivial to arrange all your comms to pass encrypted through a tunnel terminating somewhere outside the UK/EU's jurisdiction if you care enough about your privacy.
Encryption techniques are freely available which can't be cracked in real time, by anyone.
Those who have something to hide, or just feel strongly enough about the situation, will rearrange their affairs as such, and now you don't even know who you'd want to be snooping on, even if you could. ;D
Politicians don't understand IT. It's a fundamental problem we witness time and time again. Exhibit A- the £11bn NHS IT project recently canned. Here we are again. They decide to achieve the impossible and make a big song and dance about it, not realising they have shot themselves in the foot in the process. ;D
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All this publicity does them no favours either, because it's trivial to arrange all your comms to pass encrypted through a tunnel terminating somewhere outside the UK/EU's jurisdiction if you care enough about your privacy.
Encryption techniques are freely available which can't be cracked in real time, by anyone.
Those who have something to hide, or just feel strongly enough about the situation, will rearrange their affairs as such, and now you don't even know who you'd want to be snooping on, even if you could. ;D
Politicians don't understand IT. It's a fundamental problem we witness time and time again. Exhibit A- the £11bn NHS IT project recently canned. Here we are again. They decide to achieve the impossible and make a big song and dance about it, not realising they have shot themselves in the foot in the process. ;D
Too true, Kevin. :y
But you know, even if they could set it up, and even if they did make "promises" that they would only use the powers to track down serious criminality, just take on board what Michael Portillo said in 2009:
the government routinely abuses the powers it has[/highlight]. It's not a matter of the last resort, it's the first resort. It isn't something that happens exceptionally, it happens all the time.]I having been been in government have every reason for believing that the government routinely abuses the powers it has. It's not a matter of the last resort, it's the first resort. It isn't something that happens exceptionally, it happens all the time. (http://I having been been in government have every reason for believing that [highlight)
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http://heresycorner.blogspot.com/2009/02/now-he-tells-us.html (http://heresycorner.blogspot.com/2009/02/now-he-tells-us.html)
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The Daily Mash echoes Kevin Wood's sentiments.
"Totally inept losers confident they can lock down the internet"
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/totally-inept-losers-confident-they-can-lock-down-the-internet-201204035088/ (http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/totally-inept-losers-confident-they-can-lock-down-the-internet-201204035088/)
;) ;D
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The hardware is available to do this real-time monitoring, but it is not cheap. The consequences are that the investment will have to be paid for by, guess who, you and me. >:( >:( >:(
It will mean the loss of many small ISPs as they won't be able to afford the setup costs, which will reduce ISP choice and push up Internet access prices as you will end up with the big 4 or big 6, just like with energy, then happy days for the big 4 / 6. "Our new bargain price Internet access package, currently the cheapest in the UK, first 3 months free, then just £99.99 per month". >:( >:( >:(
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The hardware is available to do this real-time monitoring, but it is not cheap. The consequences are that the investment will have to be paid for by, guess who, you and me. >:( >:( >:(
It will mean the loss of many small ISPs as they won't be able to afford the setup costs, which will reduce ISP choice and push up Internet access prices as you will end up with the big 4 or big 6, just like with energy, then happy days for the big 4 / 6. "Our new bargain price Internet access package, currently the cheapest in the UK, first 3 months free, then just £99.99 per month". >:( >:( >:(
Must admit I hadn't thought of that angle, but you're quite right, Rod! :y
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The hardware is available to do this real-time monitoring, but it is not cheap. The consequences are that the investment will have to be paid for by, guess who, you and me. >:( >:( >:(
It will mean the loss of many small ISPs as they won't be able to afford the setup costs, which will reduce ISP choice and push up Internet access prices as you will end up with the big 4 or big 6, just like with energy, then happy days for the big 4 / 6. "Our new bargain price Internet access package, currently the cheapest in the UK, first 3 months free, then just £99.99 per month". >:( >:( >:(
Er...it is cheap.
The port mirroring function is on just about all packet based systems and can create a copy of a traffic path and forward it to any specified port.....so other than the need to pay for an additional VPN is zero/very low cost.
The kit required to then inspect the data is nothing more than a PC.
They cant do it for everyone and they would not want to.
For me, I could not care less, its already been happening (and deep down we know that) and i have nothing to hide.
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The hardware is available to do this real-time monitoring, but it is not cheap. The consequences are that the investment will have to be paid for by, guess who, you and me. >:( >:( >:(
It will mean the loss of many small ISPs as they won't be able to afford the setup costs, which will reduce ISP choice and push up Internet access prices as you will end up with the big 4 or big 6, just like with energy, then happy days for the big 4 / 6. "Our new bargain price Internet access package, currently the cheapest in the UK, first 3 months free, then just £99.99 per month". >:( >:( >:(
Er...it is cheap.
The port mirroring function is on just about all packet based systems and can create a copy of a traffic path and forward it to any specified port.....so other than the need to pay for an additional VPN is zero/very low cost.
The kit required to then inspect the data is nothing more than a PC.
They cant do it for everyone and they would not want to.
For me, I could not care less, its already been happening (and deep down we know that) and i have nothing to hide.
Exactly :y
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The hardware is available to do this real-time monitoring, but it is not cheap. The consequences are that the investment will have to be paid for by, guess who, you and me. >:( >:( >:(
It will mean the loss of many small ISPs as they won't be able to afford the setup costs, which will reduce ISP choice and push up Internet access prices as you will end up with the big 4 or big 6, just like with energy, then happy days for the big 4 / 6. "Our new bargain price Internet access package, currently the cheapest in the UK, first 3 months free, then just £99.99 per month". >:( >:( >:(
Er...it is cheap.
The port mirroring function is on just about all packet based systems and can create a copy of a traffic path and forward it to any specified port.....so other than the need to pay for an additional VPN is zero/very low cost.
The kit required to then inspect the data is nothing more than a PC.
They cant do it for everyone and they would not want to.
For me, I could not care less, its already been happening (and deep down we know that) and i have nothing to hide.
Exactly :y
It's not a question of having "nothing to hide".
It's a question of privacy. Once this law is passed there is no way to ensure that a future administration may not use it to snoop on political opponents, either nationally or at a local level. Besides which, I have nothing to hide, but I'll be damned if I'll approve of some civil servant reading my emails. >:( >:(
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The hardware is available to do this real-time monitoring, but it is not cheap. The consequences are that the investment will have to be paid for by, guess who, you and me. >:( >:( >:(
It will mean the loss of many small ISPs as they won't be able to afford the setup costs, which will reduce ISP choice and push up Internet access prices as you will end up with the big 4 or big 6, just like with energy, then happy days for the big 4 / 6. "Our new bargain price Internet access package, currently the cheapest in the UK, first 3 months free, then just £99.99 per month". >:( >:( >:(
Er...it is cheap.
The port mirroring function is on just about all packet based systems and can create a copy of a traffic path and forward it to any specified port.....so other than the need to pay for an additional VPN is zero/very low cost.
The kit required to then inspect the data is nothing more than a PC.
They cant do it for everyone and they would not want to.
For me, I could not care less, its already been happening (and deep down we know that) and i have nothing to hide.
Exactly :y
It's not a question of having "nothing to hide".
It's a question of privacy. Once this law is passed there is no way to ensure that a future administration may not use it to snoop on political opponents, either nationally or at a local level. Besides which, I have nothing to hide, but I'll be damned if I'll approve of some civil servant reading my emails. >:( >:(
Understand what your saying but where would YOU draw the line ?
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You have nothing to hide, all of us on here at some point in the future may have to be very careful what we say about the EU, as xenophobia laws have been proposed by the EU in the past and may well be considered necessary to help "the project" in the future. The first thing you will know will be when the police are on your doorstep with an EU arrest warrant. >:( >:( >:(
Our freedoms and particularly freedom of speech is being steadily eroded under the banners of not causing offence to minorities as we have seen with that student who got 56 days. Now I don't agree with what he said and think it was in very bad taste, but that does not mean he should not have the right to say it, if we had true freedom of speech. I'm sure he would have got the message with the replies society as a whole would of sent him on his highly inappropriate comments.
There are many laws in the EU which we don't have in this country, like xenophobia and denial of the holocaust, which some UK citizens have already fallen foul of. Now as this is a public forum, are you aware of all the laws in EU countries and the USA to make sure you don't fall foul of them? I'm certainly not. >:( >:( >:(
The US border agency already monitor Facebook and Twitter accounts for key words and several UK citizens that have written things in jest have been denied visas, where they have triggered their key word surveillance systems.
What has this got to do with the security forces, well the more access to data they have and the sharing of that information with different countries security forces, the more likely we all are to unknowingly come unstuck from what we write in the public or private domains. 1984 is rapidly arriving.
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You have nothing to hide, all of us on here at some point in the future may have to be very careful what we say about the EU, as xenophobia laws have been proposed by the EU in the past and may well be considered necessary to help "the project" in the future. The first thing you will know will be when the police are on your doorstep with an EU arrest warrant. >:( >:( >:(
Our freedoms and particularly freedom of speech is being steadily eroded under the banners of not causing offence to minorities as we have seen with that student who got 56 days. Now I don't agree with what he said and think it was in very bad taste, but that does not mean he should not have the right to say it, if we had true freedom of speech. I'm sure he would have got the message with the replies society as a whole would of sent him on his highly inappropriate comments.
There are many laws in the EU which we don't have in this country, like xenophobia and denial of the holocaust, which some UK citizens have already fallen foul of. Now as this is a public forum, are you aware of all the laws in EU countries and the USA to make sure you don't fall foul of them? I'm certainly not. >:( >:( >:(
The US border agency already monitor Facebook and Twitter accounts for key words and several UK citizens that have written things in jest have been denied visas, where they have triggered their key word surveillance systems.
What has this got to do with the security forces, well the more access to data they have and the sharing of that information with different countries security forces, the more likely we all are to unknowingly come unstuck from what we write in the public or private domains. 1984 is rapidly arriving.
facebook servers cost are already paid by CIA ;D
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Clearly the polotics clique are up to something, complete paranoia about unederlying govt ethics in place since pre WW2. (awaits "predictable post" comments)
I have no problem with national security what so ever. Personal privacy is ALWAYS going to suffer if in this light. If individuals can't see the predictability of that, well.... ;)
But as said, a massive own goal bringing it to public attention....there in lies the real govt. failing.
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The hardware is available to do this real-time monitoring, but it is not cheap. The consequences are that the investment will have to be paid for by, guess who, you and me. >:( >:( >:(
It will mean the loss of many small ISPs as they won't be able to afford the setup costs, which will reduce ISP choice and push up Internet access prices as you will end up with the big 4 or big 6, just like with energy, then happy days for the big 4 / 6. "Our new bargain price Internet access package, currently the cheapest in the UK, first 3 months free, then just £99.99 per month". >:( >:( >:(
Er...it is cheap.
The port mirroring function is on just about all packet based systems and can create a copy of a traffic path and forward it to any specified port.....so other than the need to pay for an additional VPN is zero/very low cost.
The kit required to then inspect the data is nothing more than a PC.
They cant do it for everyone and they would not want to.
For me, I could not care less, its already been happening (and deep down we know that) and i have nothing to hide.
Indeed, even the cheap router sat handling all the packets for the OOF server has port mirroring capability.
Actually, even my first gigabit switch had it - an 8 port, sub £100 cheapo bought around 8 or 9yrs ago (and long since replaced with a larger one, which oddly does not do it!).
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Clearly the polotics clique are up to something, complete paranoia about unederlying govt ethics in place since pre WW2. (awaits "predictable post" comments)
I have no problem with national security what so ever. Personal privacy is ALWAYS going to suffer if in this light. If individuals can't see the predictability of that, well.... ;)
But as said, a massive own goal bringing it to public attention....there in lies the real govt. failing.
Suspect it started out as a valid request by those needing it to monitor specific people quickly, "24" style, but then got passed into the civil service and then ministers, so is probably nothing like what it was envisaged. And because ministers are all self-centred pillocks, they try to shout it from the rooftops, "look at me".
I know the technology is mostly in place already, this was just to do what they have been able to do previously, but more dynamically ;)