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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: SMD on 09 April 2012, 19:17:05
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I have been having a chat with chrisgixer regarding the OE pads and one thing led to another and I sent him a picture of mine and he sent me one of his (not what it sounds like ;D)
mine:
(http://i1059.photobucket.com/albums/t440/Zaf_Yousef/IMAG0206.jpg)
chrisgixers:
(http://i344.photobucket.com/albums/p326/chrisgixer/11062009654.jpg)
As you can see from the pictures his pads have riveted shims on all 4 pad and the shims come round the edge of the pad to keep it away from the caliper (and reducing squeal) and mine look like TC pads. Can some who has the OE pads post a picture of the back of the pads, please?
Chris mentioned Mark DTM and Jimbob tried the OE pads and couldn't tell the difference whereas he noticed a major improvement over TC pads. Could this be why?
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All mine are the same as Chris's (all 3 sets I have :) )
Mine are all old GM stock (and bought at dirt cheap clearance prices), should that make a difference
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My GM pads which came out of mine even though they were marked GM didn't have a anti squeal shim. I was a little shocked as the after market pads I did fit did have the shim fitted.
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Here's another pic I found, shows the shims covering the edge more clearly.
(http://i344.photobucket.com/albums/p326/chrisgixer/11062009656.jpg)
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Also to clarify my pic in SMD's post at the top. The 2 pads at the top of the pic are tc. Oe are the 4 at the bottom.
Clearly, the numbers are Differant between my oe, and SMD's. Anyone know the significance of the numbers...?
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Having ordered oe from andyc, not wanting to doubt him or anything, but I'm now wondering what will arrive tbh.
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I hope there is a simple explanation but my fear is this may be the new version of the OE pads :(
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Right!
All three of ours have OE pads fitted and they have the rear shims rivited on. I also have two brand new pairs in boxes that I have picked up via Ebay and one set has the shims rivited on and the other set looks like yours.
Both types are made by Jurid so I think as long as the compound is the same it's nothing to worry about.
...and I agree with Chrisgixer about the improved pedal feel, not sure if they are any better / better stopping distance over TC pads but they certainly inspire more confidence imho.
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Sorry Andy, can you clarify. Both mine and the ones pictured at the top appear to have riveted on shims...?
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Sorry by rivited I mean the smooth ones.
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Do SMD's are the odd ones out?
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Actually, thinking about it, my dealers tried to flog me a set of them as SMD has, passing them off as oe. They came back later and said the proper ones where in, as I described.
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They have the same part number as the OE ones we talk about. Definately different to TC pads.
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Sorry I'm a bit confused now.
So mine are not TC pads but they are a variation of the OE pads.
Do they squeal? ;D
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not sure if they are any better / better stopping distance over TC pads
IMHO, if the system is in well serviced condition, the weak point in the first 10-12 big stops is the front tyres, not the brake pads.
I can't comment on the 'feel' argument, not fitted OE to my Omegas. I can say the last set of TC pads fitted to the MV6 feel lifeless, and squeal like a bastard, something I've not experienced before.
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Just trying to I.D. the buggers at the moment tbh.
It is becoming increasingly clear, to me at least :-\ , that we are not getting consistent products, within the realms of tc pads certainly, and now on the face of it oe seem to come across the counter differant too.
Asking for oe or tc doesn't seem to mean we get either one set of pads or the other. By that I mean...
As TB now has a set of pads in a tc disc/pad set from my dealer fitted to his car, he is now experiencing what i have been complaining about for years. Dead feel at the pedal.
Maybe tc pads on thier own are different tc pads in the disc pad set.
Oe...I've asked for these at my dealer, and got whats pictured second pic down from the top I've asked again at the same dealer and been given what SMD has pictured top of the page. Odd!
Thought occurs, I've never fitted tc pads purchased on thier own not in a disc pad set.
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I've got a set of genuine pads sat at home which I brought a couple of years ago. I got them for my Gsi Carltonwhich is the same as the Omegas. When I get back tomorrow I'll hook em out and have a look.Just wondering could there now be two suppliers to VX now and they are slightly different squeal shims.
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I imagine GM outsource the disk+pads and pads only kits to different manufacturers so they may well not be the same. Might even be regional differences in suppliers perhaps?
Deadish pedal and squealing was the problem I had with my last set of TC pads (bought in a disk+pad set). They died prematurely, too. Inner pad on one side appeared to have lost a chunk of friction material and then worn very fast.
Sadly, I cleared out the garage yesterday and the bin men came today, otherwise I'd post a picture of the markings on them. ::)
Replaced them with a set of motor factor bog standard £12 Ferodo pads and they've been perfect since.
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Right. Visited my dealer, who had both sets of oe in stock.
SMD, yours appear to be old stock. As pic below, you'll have to take my word for it but your pads are in the box pictured below.
Note the old style packaging with no hologram on the sticker, the old scrubbed out part number, with new part number written on the side. My dealer says they've had these on stock for years.
(http://i344.photobucket.com/albums/p326/chrisgixer/18626dd8.jpg)
The oe pads with four shims are the new part that dupercedes the old ones pictured.
According to my dealer anyway. And the packaging would appear to support that theory. Hth
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I should add, the friction material on both types of oe would appear the be the same, visually speaking.
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EPC implies old number for Carlton/Senny, new for Omega. As they are compatible, new part can be retro fitted back to older cars.
Old PN not listed at all as a Omega-B part.
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Thanks for the replies, and Chris for the research.
I mailed andyc and I hope he doesnt mind if I share his reply.
He said he was not sure why Chris' has four shim plates fitted to the set and he thinks its not something thats still available. He also said thinks the four shim pads might have been new old stock and might have been for late Carlton OE pads which have now changed number to the Omega ones.
Chris, did you buy the pads from the dealers? And did you take the above picture or did your dealer send you it?
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Thanks for the replies, and Chris for the research.
I mailed andyc and I hope he doesnt mind if I share his reply.
He said he was not sure why Chris' has four shim plates fitted to the set and he thinks its not something thats still available. He also said thinks the four shim pads might have been new old stock and might have been for late Carlton OE pads which have now changed number to the Omega ones.
EPC suggests chrisgixers findings to be right (purely by part number, EPC only shows rough pics).
Not to say that PNs have remained the same, but the manufacturer has changed them slightly...
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I made a mistake in my post above and cant seem to be able to edit. I meant to say Andy said he thinks the 4 shim set is old stock and the ones I have are the new stock.
Anyway, this is a picture of the box mine pads arrived in.
(http://i1059.photobucket.com/albums/t440/Zaf_Yousef/IMAG0209.jpg)
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The printed number is what is in the box. This is an old part number. The handwritten number is the part number of the part that superceded the earlier part. Based on EPC, I'd be thinking that GM are shipping out old stock?
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SMD, yes mate, sounds very similar to the conversation I had with Andy earlier today. It would seem he may have the old and new parts the wrong way round, in that your packaging with old no. on MUST be old (or at least older) stock.
To make things clearer, I purchased these today in the pic below, as Andy felt they would be hard to come by, I grabbed them while I could, at £80 odd (http://www.audi-tt.ru/forum/phpBB2/images/smiles/facepalm.gif)
Note the label, more modern with hologram and no other part numbers on.
(http://i344.photobucket.com/albums/p326/chrisgixer/cd723ed1.jpg)
I visited the dealer personally, as I want oe as well. I inspected personally and took the pics myself there and then. (they think I'm mental by now I'm sure ;D ) I purchased the ones in the pic above. The ones with Shims on each. But I paid more than you did iirc going by previous pm's?
Tbh, I'd probably fit the ones you have and see how they go. Tc pads squeak, not oe. And of the do squeak/squeal, send the buggers back.
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Which dealer did you go to, Andy?
Just so that, if I'm ever there, I can ask if they remember the crazy bloke who photographs brake pads.. ;D
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Which dealer did you go to, Andy?
Just so that, if I'm ever there, I can ask if they remember the crazy bloke who photographs brake pads.. ;D
Burnthem garage Slough. Strangely there is never anyone behind the counter when I walk in. ;D
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They are fitted BTW. :)
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To make things clearer, I purchased these today in the pic below, as Andy felt they would be hard to come by, I grabbed them while I could, at £80 odd
How come? Surely it should be the other way round.
Tbh, I'd probably fit the ones you have and see how they go. Tc pads squeak, not oe. And of the do squeak/squeal, send the buggers back.
I guess Andy is the person to ask but if I was do as to suggest surely I'd get told to bugger off as they would be used and not resaleable?
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To make things clearer, I purchased these today in the pic below, as Andy felt they would be hard to come by, I grabbed them while I could, at £80 odd
How come? Surely it should be the other way round.
His words, not mine. :)
Tbh, I'd probably fit the ones you have and see how they go. Tc pads squeak, not oe. And of the do squeak/squeal, send the buggers back.
I guess Andy is the person to ask but if I was do as to suggest surely I'd get told to bugger off as they would be used and not resaleable?
...or on the other hand if a trade club member had fitted them to a customers car and charged said customer the retail price, said customer might feel rather aggrieved that they would then squeal, given the cost. Although I see where you're coming from. The pads you have have been improved upon, and replaced by the superseded part.
But as you say, Andy is the man to ask, tbh.
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Which dealer did you go to, Andy?
Just so that, if I'm ever there, I can ask if they remember the crazy bloke who photographs brake pads.. ;D
Burnthem garage Slough. Strangely there is never anyone behind the counter when I walk in. ;D
Apologies, that should read Burnham. Burnham garage, Slough. :-[
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I didn't even notice that... Burnthem Garage.. ;D
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I didn't even notice that... Burnthem Garage.. ;D
At £80 for front pads someone got burnt :o ;D ;D
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I didn't even notice that... Burnthem Garage.. ;D
At £80 for front pads someone got burnt :o ;D ;D
;D yeah, they ain't cheap. :(