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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Nickbat on 17 April 2012, 18:20:52
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UKIP have overtaken the LibDems in two opinion polls in just two days.
Oddly. the latest one has Conservative 32%, Labour 35%, LibDem 9%, Others 22%. It's only when you look at Others you see that UKIP has 10%!!
I think UKIP are definitely on the rise. :y
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Tbh Nick, I can't understand why it's only 10% ??? The rest are a dead loss and I personally reckon UKIP are a viable alternative. :y
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It's probably because they're seen as a one policy party.... I generally support their policy's on the EU, but ask me about their views on education, health, defence, welfare, environment etc and I wouldn't have a clue!! ::) Which I reckon means they're doing really well to get 10%!! :y :y :y
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Here you go Tigger,you can satisfy your curiosity now. :y :)
http://www.ukip.org/
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Thanks Albs, nice bit of bedtime reading!!! :y I'm sure they would appeal to a broad section of society if they publicised their manifesto more! ???
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Difficult to compete with the others due to the others having a lot more funding and (particularily with Labour) a tame media. ;)
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http://www.ukip.org/ bookmarked :y
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Vote UKIP I do :y :y :y
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I hope they are contesting many council seats on May 1st as that will be interesting. Hopefully they will get lots of seats and publicity. :y :y :y :) :) :)
On the Telegraph blogs, the amount of Conservatives who are defecting / defected to UKIP is growing by the day, many were active Conservative party members, who will hopefully do the same for UKIP now to spread the message further on the street. :y :y :y :) :) :)
There is the beginnings of a backlash against the ConDems where they are seen as NuLabour Lite, with CaMoron mimicking Phony Blairs style, spin and lack of substance.
Like haven't a clue NuLabour the Condem are transfixed on minority rights and "fairness" (a meaningless term) where it is the Economy Stupid. Like NuLabour their idea of equality is an equality of poverty for us plebs while they have got their snouts firmly in the trough. >:( >:( >:(
Taxes will continue to rise until they have gone from 38% of GNP to 45% to reduce their budget deficit, where they won't touch useless vital spending like overseas aid, including £200m per year to the mad woman President in Argentina. >:( >:( >:( >:(
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I hope they are contesting many council seats on May 1st as that will be interesting. Hopefully they will get lots of seats and publicity. :y :y :y :) :) :)
On the Telegraph blogs, the amount of Conservatives who are defecting / defected to UKIP is growing by the day, many were active Conservative party members, who will hopefully do the same for UKIP now to spread the message further on the street. :y :y :y :) :) :)
There is the beginnings of a backlash against the ConDems where they are seen as NuLabour Lite, with CaMoron mimicking Phony Blairs style, spin and lack of substance.
Like haven't a clue NuLabour the Condem are transfixed on minority rights and "fairness" (a meaningless term) where it is the Economy Stupid. Like NuLabour their idea of equality is an equality of poverty for us plebs while they have got their snouts firmly in the trough. >:( >:( >:(
Taxes will continue to rise until they have gone from 38% of GNP to 45% to reduce their budget deficit, where they won't touch useless vital spending like overseas aid, including £200m per year to the mad woman President in Argentina. >:( >:( >:( >:(
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I hope they are contesting many council seats on May 1st as that will be interesting. Hopefully they will get lots of seats and publicity. :y :y :y :) :) :)
On the Telegraph blogs, the amount of Conservatives who are defecting / defected to UKIP is growing by the day, many were active Conservative party members, who will hopefully do the same for UKIP now to spread the message further on the street. :y :y :y :) :) :)
There is the beginnings of a backlash against the ConDems where they are seen as NuLabour Lite, with CaMoron mimicking Phony Blairs style, spin and lack of substance.
Like haven't a clue NuLabour the Condem are transfixed on minority rights and "fairness" (a meaningless term) where it is the Economy Stupid. Like NuLabour their idea of equality is an equality of poverty for us plebs while they have got their snouts firmly in the trough. >:( >:( >:(
Taxes will continue to rise until they have gone from 38% of GNP to 45% to reduce their budget deficit, where they won't touch useless vital spending like overseas aid, including £200m per year to the mad woman President in Argentina. >:( >:( >:( >:(
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Good grief do we really give them (her) that much????!!!!!
was '82 a waste of time then? That would go a long way to re-habilitate some of the guys and girls that served down there and didn't come back fully compos mentis, but I guess no one should mention that sort of thing anymore...
Lack of moral fortitude, I believe it used to be called.
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Political groups need strong charismatic leadership to make an impression on the voting public and in this regard, with Nigel at the helm, UKIP will fail to capitalise on the current state of dissatisfaction being shown across the country at the obvious apathy and incompetence evident amongst many of the self serving mainstream politicians purporting to represent us.
Nigel has fed off the EU teat for too long now – to the extent that he is largely unknown (as a political force) here in the UK.
He can certainly taunt the trolls in Brussels with clever rhetoric and flamboyant delivery - but has he any substance to deliver leadership to a party ready to confront the bread and butter issues we crave to be addressed here at home? I would suggest he doesn’t.
Until there are some big hitters ready to swell the ranks of a UKIP being directed by a recognisably forceful and competent leader it will, in my view, fail to gain the traction necessary to make any real difference.
The front line in the coming battle for the future wellbeing of this country lies not in ‘Brussels’ or environs but within the curtilage of the Palace of Westminster and in every regional assembly and council within the borders of the United Kingdom.
In recognising this, I submit that Farage and like individuals are working to an ill prepared and ineffective agenda – all the while collecting a handsome stipend for doing so.
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Political groups need strong charismatic leadership to make an impression on the voting public and in this regard, with Nigel at the helm, UKIP will fail to capitalise on the current state of dissatisfaction being shown across the country at the obvious apathy and incompetence evident amongst many of the self serving mainstream politicians purporting to represent us.
Nigel has fed off the EU teat for too long now – to the extent that he is largely unknown (as a political force) here in the UK.
He can certainly taunt the trolls in Brussels with clever rhetoric and flamboyant delivery - but has he any substance to deliver leadership to a party ready to confront the bread and butter issues we crave to be addressed here at home? I would suggest he doesn’t.
Until there are some big hitters ready to swell the ranks of a UKIP being directed by a recognisably forceful and competent leader it will, in my view, fail to gain the traction necessary to make any real difference.
The front line in the coming battle for the future wellbeing of this country lies not in ‘Brussels’ or environs but within the curtilage of the Palace of Westminster and in every regional assembly and council within the borders of the United Kingdom.
In recognising this, I submit that Farage and like individuals are working to an ill prepared and ineffective agenda – all the while collecting a handsome stipend for doing so.
Not often I vehemently disagree with you Den, but I do on this occasion. Yes, he is an MEP and, as such, receives £85k per annum, less than many headteachers and GPs - and certainly less than he could have earned had he continued in business rather than politics. So, should he have refused to accept a stipend and lived on nothing? Or should he have refused to sit as an MEP, thus allowing the socialist groups free rein in the Parliament without being harangued??? ::)
If you read the UKIP manifesto, it is neither ill-prepared nor ineffective (as shown by their rise in the polls – a fact that will be covered on Newsnight tonight). Inasmuch as people say they have no strength amongst their team, one need only consider that they have, for example, a foremost economist in the shape of Prof. Tim Congden - for whom some years ago I edited a piece (and I can assure you he's nobody's fool!).
In any event, I think it highly likely that some senior Tories will jump ship soon and swell the UKIP ranks.
Overall, I believe that the rise of UKIP is capturing the electorate's imagination at a time when there is general disillusion with the ConLabLib political class. Farage believes that it is the rise of the political class in Westminster, as much as the EU legislature, which lies at the heart of our problems. He sees the recruitment of politicians who have experienced real life, not internship in party HQs. On that point no one can possibly argue, IMHO. :y :y :y
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I vote UKIP, a true euro sceptic conservative ideology at heart
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Not often I vehemently disagree with you Den, but I do on this occasion. Yes, he is an MEP and, as such, receives £85k per annum, less than many headteachers and GPs - and certainly less than he could have earned had he continued in business rather than politics. So, should he have refused to accept a stipend and lived on nothing? Or should he have refused to sit as an MEP, thus allowing the socialist groups free rein in the Parliament without being harangued??? ::)
If you read the UKIP manifesto, it is neither ill-prepared nor ineffective (as shown by their rise in the polls – a fact that will be covered on Newsnight tonight). Inasmuch as people say they have no strength amongst their team, one need only consider that they have, for example, a foremost economist in the shape of Prof. Tim Congden - for whom some years ago I edited a piece (and I can assure you he's nobody's fool!).
In any event, I think it highly likely that some senior Tories will jump ship soon and swell the UKIP ranks.
Overall, I believe that the rise of UKIP is capturing the electorate's imagination at a time when there is general disillusion with the ConLabLib political class. Farage believes that it is the rise of the political class in Westminster, as much as the EU legislature, which lies at the heart of our problems. He sees the recruitment of politicians who have experienced real life, not internship in party HQs. On that point no one can possibly argue, IMHO. :y :y :y
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Not often I vehemently disagree with you Den
That's all right Nick - think nothing of it. :-*
The thing exercising my mind is the dismal performance of the party within the UK since 1994 and under Farage’s stewardship - especially in the elections to the Sovereign Parliament - given that they have so many people elected to the very Parliament they complain so much about - a parliamentary machine where no amount of nay-saying, obstruction, obfuscation, stunts or verbal fireworks will make one iota of difference to that distasteful behemoth’s genetic requirement to march to its own beat no matter what the voters say.
The UKIP needs to have people at Westminster - not queuing up to board the Brussels 'gravy train'. Insofar as opinion polls are concerned, the only the figures of consequence will be those of people duly elected and ready to take their seats not only at Westminster but in council chambers across the land.
The fight lies within these shores not in Europe
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It does seem odd that so many of Mr Farage's colleagues seem to want to be a part of that which they seek to destroy.
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The thing exercising my mind is the dismal performance of the party within the UK since 1994 and under Farage’s stewardship
There has been a sea change on two fronts since the 90s. In that decade, and the first few years of the 2000s, most people were unconcerned about the EU. They were doing all right and the EU seemed a largely benign organisation (to them, that is). Of course, when the European elections came round and those who were suitably motivated to vote began to consider their options, there appeared one party that wanted less intrusion from Brussels and they duly voted. That is how Nigel Farage got his seat and that is also, and why don't people mention this? - how Danial Hannan got elected. He is a Tory, but highly eurosceptic. Why doesn't he get the flak?
Since the financial crisis, the bailouts and the increased moves to an EU superstate have finally brought the ogre of the EU to the attention of the masses (well, some of them anyway). Hence the rise in UKIP's fortunes.
At the same time, and this is my second point, the coalition has - to many ardent Conservatives - been a disaster. More government, not less as promised. More sleaze, not less as promised. More erosion of our sovereignty, not less as promised. There is a feeling that there is nothing to choose between LibLabCon. Where do those votes go? To UKIP.
Thus to summarise, the fact that UKIP have no Westminster representation merely reflects the earlier, and now outdated, view of the electorate that Europe doesn't matter; that a Conservative-led coalition would be a massive antidote to the Blair/Brown years. By waiting in the wings as MEPs, the leadership has been quietly building a viable alternative to the stifling tripartite political system we have been forced to endure. UKIP is massively underfunded, but it has kept going and will reap the rewards of its work, I am sure. :y
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The next general election could be very significant.Its possible that many conservative thinking people will finally give up on the Tories after having endured the disaster that is Camerons leadership.If the result of the election is (as I suspect) a Labour govt. there may well be a bloodbath in the Tory party resulting in some senior figures defecting to UKIP. Real conservatives in the Tory party are in utter despair at the moment,and they wont toe the line and keep quiet for ever.
I noticed that Peter Stringfellow (a lifelong Tory) announced that he has left the Tories and Joined UKIP a few days ago.Maybe not the most heavyweight personality we could wish for,but he has plenty of money,so the party war chest might benefit from a large donation in the near future.
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I noticed that Peter Stringfellow (a lifelong Tory) announced that he has left the Tories and Joined UKIP a few days ago.
I wonder how many of his dancing girls are of foreign extraction.......
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I noticed that Peter Stringfellow (a lifelong Tory) announced that he has left the Tories and Joined UKIP a few days ago.
I wonder how many of his dancing girls are of foreign extraction.......
UKIP have no problem with foreigners. Indeed, Mr Farage is married to a German! Their point is that something has to be done to curb the numbers and cut the ability of immigrants to become parasites on our generous welfare state. I doubt there is anyone who does not understand that our infrastructure (schools, hospitals, housing etc.) is not capable of meeting the demands of an ever-increasing tide of immigration. No racism, just common sense. :y
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I was listening to LBC 97.3 a couple of nights ago while driving my lorry. There was a report on there about coachloads of Romanians being shipped over here prior to the Olympics. Wonder why? Apparently, they don't get checked by the Border Agency. They are then dropped off at Marble Arch and basically told to get on with it. One of the women was interviewed on the radio (she couldn't speak English). When asked several times why she was here, the only word she could muster was 'food'.
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Seaford Town Council By-Election (yesterday): UKIP GAIN. :y :y :y
UKIP: 428, Conservative: 365, LibDems: 344, Labour: 105.
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Maybe I'm overly cynical, but does anyone really think that if UKIP were to be voted in during a general election that they would actually hold a referendum on EU membership?
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Maybe I'm overly cynical, but does anyone really think that if UKIP were to be voted in during a general election that they would actually hold a referendum on EU membership?
Only one way to find out, mate :y
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Seaford Town Council By-Election (yesterday): UKIP GAIN. :y :y :y
UKIP: 428, Conservative: 365, LibDems: 344, Labour: 105.
Is that Seaford, Sussex?
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Seaford Town Council By-Election (yesterday): UKIP GAIN. :y :y :y
UKIP: 428, Conservative: 365, LibDems: 344, Labour: 105.
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Seaford Town Council By-Election (yesterday): UKIP GAIN. :y :y :y
UKIP: 428, Conservative: 365, LibDems: 344, Labour: 105.
Is that Seaford, Sussex?
Yep.
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Seaford Town Council By-Election (yesterday): UKIP GAIN. :y :y :y
UKIP: 428, Conservative: 365, LibDems: 344, Labour: 105.
Is that Seaford, Sussex?
Yep.
Blimey, things must be changing. I definitely thought they were the blue rinse brigade.
Excellent.
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Maybe I'm overly cynical, but does anyone really think that if UKIP were to be voted in during a general election that they would actually hold a referendum on EU membership?
Would hope so :-\
What better time to make a break for it than in a double dip?
Personally I hope France gets a new leader and gives two fingers to the EU, let Germany deal with it all. For the third time ::)
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Maybe I'm overly cynical, but does anyone really think that if UKIP were to be voted in during a general election that they would actually hold a referendum on EU membership?
Your cynicism may be well founded AJB
If the system is wrong, change it! ---- poses Witterings from Witney and finishes his piece thus;
The foregoing is but a further example of how our system of democracy is broken and in need of repair. Ask yourself what company would continue to employ those who show no ability? What company would then rehire those they have sacked to perform the same jobs they had previously held? What company would rehire those who had previously brought that company to its knees financially? It looks very likely that if our present situation persist, then come the next general election that is exactly what the electorate will do.
http://witteringsfromwitney.com/ (http://witteringsfromwitney.com/)
I'm inclined to feel that most of those elected to Westminster are eventually subsumed into a carefully constructed machine wherein the copious amounts of 'oil' always present ensures that the earnest statements made by each during the election campaign are simply – but compellingly - reduced to the waste of empty promises in the face of harsh political life and the realisation that one gains little from rocking the boat.
The establishment is a very alluring yet capricious mistress.
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The UKIP may well be starting to appeal to a relatively small number of disillusioned Tory voters. This is hardly surprising as the "make do and mend" government we have at present is wholly ineffectual.
Unfortunately, I believe that the main problem for UKIP is old shouty Nige himself. There is an old saying. "Those who speak (shout) the most often have the least to say". This sums up Farage perfectly.
He is often seen as nothing more than an irritating nonentity by more senior statesmanlike politicians.
However, Nick, I do agree with you on one point. I too, think that his star is rising.
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I'm going to vote UKIP as I'm totally fed up with all the other useless tossers!
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The UKIP may well be starting to appeal to a relatively small number of disillusioned Tory voters. This is hardly surprising as the "make do and mend" government we have at present is wholly ineffectual.
Unfortunately, I believe that the main problem for UKIP is old shouty Nige himself. There is an old saying. "Those who speak (shout) the most often have the least to say". This sums up Farage perfectly.
He is often seen as nothing more than an irritating nonentity by more senior statesmanlike politicians.
However, Nick, I do agree with you on one point. I too, think that his star is rising.
Unfortunately, Opti, (and as we have seen to our cost), "statesmanlike" is no longer synonymous with moral turpitude. The reason such "senior" politicians see him as irritating is the fact that he represents a danger to them: their gravy trains may get derailed. ;)
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I am, was, a lifelong tory. Have voted for them every general and local election bar one time when I voted for a local independant as I know him.
I have allready cast my postal vote. For the first time ever I have voted UKIP. The reason being I wanted change in the last general election and I got no change. In fact I see this current govt as no different to the last govt.
Will I vote tory again ? probably not. I will now be supporting anyone but lib/lab/con. Protest vote ? maybe, but they have all signalled they are spineless bottom feeders who should be put out of our misery.