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Title: Making a new doorway
Post by: blackviper90210 on 04 May 2012, 21:17:10
Is there anyone on here who can put a new doorway in?

I have a brick shed which was added to the back of the house at some point in the past.

If possible, I'd like a doorway made so I can get into the shed from inside the house, rather than go outside and round the back ::)

If this possible, it'll then be a matter of is it financially viable next :-\

TIA  :y
Title: Re: Making a new doorway
Post by: paul.lovejoy on 04 May 2012, 21:25:20
put a couple of pics up outside and inside house and i will give you a general estimate and list of works but sorry your a bit too far away but it will give you an idea mind you the way pricing is at the moment theres a lot of people doing work very cheap but not necessarily correct  >:( :y

hope that helps
Title: Re: Making a new doorway
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 04 May 2012, 21:48:16
Building regs required for that job..
Title: Re: Making a new doorway
Post by: paul.lovejoy on 04 May 2012, 22:08:40
Building regs required for that job..

and a door me thinks :o ;)
Title: Re: Making a new doorway
Post by: The Red Baron on 04 May 2012, 22:09:09
Building regs required for that job..
yep, you cant just go punching holes through walls dave.
Title: Re: Making a new doorway
Post by: blackviper90210 on 04 May 2012, 22:34:48
Building regs required for that job..
yep, you cant just go punching holes through walls dave.

Yeah I can  ::) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Got a sledgehammer collecting dust here  ;)
Title: Re: Making a new doorway
Post by: blackviper90210 on 04 May 2012, 22:36:23
On a serious note though, what's the building regs involved please?
Title: Re: Making a new doorway
Post by: redelitev6 on 04 May 2012, 22:50:12
On a serious note though, what's the building regs involved please?
Structural- to make sure you put a lintlel in so the house doesn't fall down !
Title: Re: Making a new doorway
Post by: blackviper90210 on 04 May 2012, 22:59:18
Does this mean I need permission, if so, who from?
Title: Re: Making a new doorway
Post by: blackviper90210 on 04 May 2012, 23:05:59
put a couple of pics up outside and inside house and i will give you a general estimate and list of works but sorry your a bit too far away but it will give you an idea mind you the way pricing is at the moment theres a lot of people doing work very cheap but not necessarily correct  >:( :y

hope that helps

Cheers for the offer Paul. I'll have to do that on Sunday as I'm out for the day tomorrow. :y
Title: Re: Making a new doorway
Post by: paul.lovejoy on 05 May 2012, 11:07:24
no prbs..you should not need planning but building control dept do an assesment of what your proposing and ensure its in accordance to the regs and carry out a site inspection and sign the work off all for a fee of course normally a percentage of the value of works ::) :-X
Title: Re: Making a new doorway
Post by: geoffr70 on 05 May 2012, 11:30:07
Is there anyone on here who can put a new doorway in?

I have a brick shed which was added to the back of the house at some point in the past.

If possible, I'd like a doorway made so I can get into the shed from inside the house, rather than go outside and round the back ::)

If this possible, it'll then be a matter of is it financially viable next :-\

TIA  :y

If I were you I'd get a local builder, perhaps someone who you know, or by word of mouth and get them to put the doorway in. It's quite a straightforward job. I wouldn't bother with building control, ad the job is simple, nowt to go wrong, and why should we pay a tax on improving our lot? You don't want the state snoopers nosing round your property and you paying for the privilege.
Title: Re: Making a new doorway
Post by: Kevin Wood on 05 May 2012, 13:04:46
If I were you I'd get a local builder, perhaps someone who you know, or by word of mouth and get them to put the doorway in. It's quite a straightforward job. I wouldn't bother with building control, ad the job is simple, nowt to go wrong, and why should we pay a tax on improving our lot? You don't want the state snoopers nosing round your property and you paying for the privilege.

Great until you want to move house and what you've done becomes apparent. Chains are fragile enough when moving house without creating your own obstacles.
Title: Re: Making a new doorway
Post by: paul.lovejoy on 05 May 2012, 14:21:12
or just send wifey up there she could reverese into your wall no problem and create a hole she reverses into everything else

would have to agree building control on a job like that is a waste of time if you have someone you can trust to do the work but as Kevin said may show up  if you ever sold but with the home packs out the window its not as strict now

besides i am sure you told me there was a door way there when you moved in ;)
Title: Re: Making a new doorway
Post by: geoffr70 on 05 May 2012, 14:55:37
If I were you I'd get a local builder, perhaps someone who you know, or by word of mouth and get them to put the doorway in. It's quite a straightforward job. I wouldn't bother with building control, ad the job is simple, nowt to go wrong, and why should we pay a tax on improving our lot? You don't want the state snoopers nosing round your property and you paying for the privilege.

Great until you want to move house and what you've done becomes apparent. Chains are fragile enough when moving house without creating your own obstacles.

What, knocking out a few bricks, putting a support in, making a door frame then making good? Chances are s buyer wouldn't even notice/look. Not that there'd be anything to hide
Title: Re: Making a new doorway
Post by: Turk on 05 May 2012, 15:34:53
I would advise speaking with a building regs expert.
Something tells me that adding a door directly linking the shed to the house could mean the shed is then classed as an 'extension' to the house and may fall under different regs than just a 'shed'. 
Title: Re: Making a new doorway
Post by: Rods2 on 05 May 2012, 16:49:02
If you store any fuel or petrol powered tools in the shed, then you should, for your own safety, have a 30 minute fire door with automatic closure mechanism.
Title: Re: Making a new doorway
Post by: Shackeng on 05 May 2012, 16:55:49
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/property/3302381/How-to-.-.-.-cut-a-new-doorway-in-an-internal-brickblock-wall.html
Might be useful. :y
Title: Re: Making a new doorway
Post by: Martian on 05 May 2012, 18:28:59
If I were you I'd get a local builder, perhaps someone who you know, or by word of mouth and get them to put the doorway in. It's quite a straightforward job. I wouldn't bother with building control, ad the job is simple, nowt to go wrong, and why should we pay a tax on improving our lot? You don't want the state snoopers nosing round your property and you paying for the privilege.

Great until you want to move house and what you've done becomes apparent. Chains are fragile enough when moving house without creating your own obstacles.
+1 for what Kev says.

A lot of my work comes from the building trade, and while it is quite easy to bypass building regs when making "improvements", you can guarantee it will come back to bite you in the ar$e if you plan to sell at ANY time in the future.
Title: Re: Making a new doorway
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 05 May 2012, 20:05:49
It is an offence to carry out such work without building regs.  :y

And to be honest, I would always go for the regs to ensure the builder does not pull a fast one, by using building notice they will check the works at various stages.

You may also need an engineer to specifiy the lintel to...........
Title: Re: Making a new doorway
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 05 May 2012, 20:07:50
I would advise speaking with a building regs expert.
Something tells me that adding a door directly linking the shed to the house could mean the shed is then classed as an 'extension' to the house and may fall under different regs than just a 'shed'.

Should be fine as long as its an external door.......as the shed is a temporary structure in the same way a conservatory is (and hence why they must have doors between them and the house).
Title: Re: Making a new doorway
Post by: Turk on 05 May 2012, 20:46:10
I would advise speaking with a building regs expert.
Something tells me that adding a door directly linking the shed to the house could mean the shed is then classed as an 'extension' to the house and may fall under different regs than just a 'shed'.

Should be fine as long as its an external door.......as the shed is a temporary structure in the same way a conservatory is (and hence why they must have doors between them and the house).

 :y That makes sense !   (There isn't some ruling on glass to brickwork ratio, is there ?  :-\)
Title: Re: Making a new doorway
Post by: blackviper90210 on 05 May 2012, 20:51:28
Bloody hell, this opened a hornets nest of opinions, lol.

I'll look for a local builder for quotes (As well as Paul's :y) and speak to my council officer for advice. I'd rather errrrr on the side of caution than push it, my luck is not the best at the moment ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Making a new doorway
Post by: the alarming man on 05 May 2012, 20:58:31
Bloody hell, this opened a hornets nest of opinions, lol.

I'll look for a local builder for quotes (As well as Paul's :y) and speak to my council officer for advice. I'd rather errrrr on the side of caution than push it, my luck is not the best at the moment ;D ;D ;D ;D

one thing i will say if the council says anything....get it in writing...change their minds like the weather... :y
Title: Re: Making a new doorway
Post by: blackviper90210 on 05 May 2012, 21:02:57
Bloody hell, this opened a hornets nest of opinions, lol.

I'll look for a local builder for quotes (As well as Paul's :y) and speak to my council officer for advice. I'd rather errrrr on the side of caution than push it, my luck is not the best at the moment ;D ;D ;D ;D

one thing i will say if the council says anything....get it in writing...change their minds like the weather... :y

Goes without saying  ;) ;D ;D
Title: Re: Making a new doorway
Post by: Shackeng on 06 May 2012, 18:33:25
Having been involved with building regs. recently, I was intrigued to learn that builders often use their own qualified surveyors or whatever who are able to issue approval for structural alterations such as this. Can't remember what they are called, but clearly if employed by the builder they are likely to be helpful. :y
Title: Re: Making a new doorway
Post by: Taxi_Driver on 06 May 2012, 21:30:24
Perhaps i shouldnt mention that i have a extension with kitchen and bathroom, that doesnt even have planning permission  ::) ;D
Title: Re: Making a new doorway
Post by: CaptainZok on 06 May 2012, 21:32:30
Perhaps i shouldnt mention that i have a extension with kitchen and bathroom, that doesnt even have planning permission  ::) ;D

Down as a luxury kennel for HD is it Dave?
Title: Re: Making a new doorway
Post by: scimmy_man on 08 May 2012, 13:43:44
Im a BCO  ::)

It all ends in tears when the buyers solicitor asks for a copy of the approval 3 days before exchanging contracts,
or worse there is a fire and the insurance refuse to pay out.
for the £100 or so get it approved. it gives you peace of mind the work is ok too.
the private inspectors dont often visit the site, make of that what you will.
Title: Re: Making a new doorway
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 08 May 2012, 14:18:38
Having been involved with building regs. recently, I was intrigued to learn that builders often use their own qualified surveyors or whatever who are able to issue approval for structural alterations such as this. Can't remember what they are called, but clearly if employed by the builder they are likely to be helpful. :y

That I am afraid is bull.......  :y
Title: Re: Making a new doorway
Post by: scimmy_man on 08 May 2012, 16:15:24
Having been involved with building regs. recently, I was intrigued to learn that builders often use their own qualified surveyors or whatever who are able to issue approval for structural alterations such as this. Can't remember what they are called, but clearly if employed by the builder they are likely to be helpful. :y

That I am afraid is bull.......  :y

I was being polite with
the private inspectors dont often visit the site, make of that what you will.
Title: Re: Making a new doorway
Post by: blackviper90210 on 08 May 2012, 20:43:26
Im a BCO  ::)

It all ends in tears when the buyers solicitor asks for a copy of the approval 3 days before exchanging contracts,
or worse there is a fire and the insurance refuse to pay out.
for the £100 or so get it approved. it gives you peace of mind the work is ok too.
the private inspectors dont often visit the site, make of that what you will.

I have a builder who has been recommended, coming tomorrow to price it up. If it's an affordable amount, I will be getting the council inspector out as it's just my bloody luck it'll end in tears. It's just not worth the hassle!

Thank you all for your advice, especially on the building regs etc as I never knew about them  :-[

Fingers crossed for tomorrow ::) :y
Title: Re: Making a new doorway
Post by: redelitev6 on 08 May 2012, 20:46:45
Im a BCO  ::)

It all ends in tears when the buyers solicitor asks for a copy of the approval 3 days before exchanging contracts,
or worse there is a fire and the insurance refuse to pay out.
for the £100 or so get it approved. it gives you peace of mind the work is ok too.
the private inspectors dont often visit the site, make of that what you will.

I have a builder who has been recommended, coming tomorrow to price it up. If it's an affordable amount, I will be getting the council inspector out as it's just my bloody luck it'll end in tears. It's just not worth the hassle!

Thank you all for your advice, especially on the building regs etc as I never knew about them  :-[

Fingers crossed for tomorrow ::) :y
No reason why it should end in tears it's a simple enough job ,it just needs to be done properly ,if the builder is worth his salt should be no problem
Title: Re: Making a new doorway
Post by: blackviper90210 on 08 May 2012, 20:53:39
It was more a case of, if I cut any corners ie the building regs/inspections etc, it'll come back and bite me bloody hard ::) ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Making a new doorway
Post by: paul.lovejoy on 08 May 2012, 23:30:14
best of luck with it....as said by others simple enough job etc..but if you need any advice on cost just pm me
 :y :y
Title: Re: Making a new doorway
Post by: blackviper90210 on 09 May 2012, 06:13:29
best of luck with it....as said by others simple enough job etc..but if you need any advice on cost just pm me
 :y :y

Not forgotten you Paul and your offer of help..... just been hectic in our house the last few days and not taken any pictures/measurements for you yet :y