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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: D on 15 May 2012, 00:00:40
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For a 9 - 10 year old car?
http://users.autoexposure.co.uk/vehicle.cfm?Account=AETA40921&Style=2&Id=AETV84814727&Image=http://images.autoexposure.co.uk/AETA40921/AETV84814727_1a.jpg (http://users.autoexposure.co.uk/vehicle.cfm?Account=AETA40921&Style=2&Id=AETV84814727&Image=http://images.autoexposure.co.uk/AETA40921/AETV84814727_1a.jpg)
with a book value of £750. Madness if you ask me. He must have some magic dust that he scatters on his cars.
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Picture 6 doesn't do it any favours, with all the crap bellowing out of the exhaust ;D
(http://images.autoexposure.co.uk/AETA40921/AETV84814727_6b.jpg)
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In all honesty, while the book price may be £750, providing the 37k miles is genuine, there is no rust, good history, tyres etc, my personal view is that the car is worth £1800 ro £2200
There's no way on earth it's worth £4.5 grand.
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What book you looking at then D?
My 03 3.2 Elite is worth 3k according to glasses guide. Which is what insurers use to value all cars at market value. Now this one has even less miles than mine. Mr Budden is renowned for asking top money for his cars though, but they do usually present in top nic.
...although you'd think he'd pump the tyre up prior to. ;D
If its up to his usuall standard, 3.0- 3.5k might be more realistic. But having said that, that colour can easily knock 2k off the price. :-X
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The vexed question on the gulf between the perceived value of any item and its true worth will always be raised in such circumstances.
This car seems to be well presented, well specified and ready to go and, as such, I would be more than happy to negotiate with the seller for more than the figures mentioned here if I were interested in it.
Any object will have an intrinsic value which may or may not match the ‘market’ value - but its true worth can only be measured by the individual owning it or those hoping to own it should it be for sale.
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Its nice , £2000 tops for that
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well its a limted market thats for sure, all his moters are top dollar but he must sell them as hes been doing it for a long time but whos going to buy it?
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If, and only if, it was the exact car you were looking for then you'd pay the money. His cars are always in perfect condition and, as Entwood will confirm, he is good to his word ;)
I do think it's strong money, especially as it hasn't got a CID, but he always sells them ;) My car was originally up for £4600 when I bought it last year. I didn't pay that but the price didn't put me off because it was exactly what I'd been searching for ;) It took over 2 years to find the correct colour combination and spec so I would have paid him the full asking price if the car had been perfect. As it was it needed the damage done by Vauxhall putting right and a full service (including tyres) so I knocked him down to a price I was happier with :y
As I have said before, my car is always available for sale for the right money... But it would have to be Roger Pudden prices for me to even consider ;)
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I always look at what its worth to me......people say why spend on an old car, but I would rather spend smaller amounts at periods than a lot in one lump sum for a newer one ( which will probably require repair bills anyway)...if that makes sense :y
She may be old...but I love her ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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His cars are always in perfect condition and, as Entwood will confirm, he is good to his word ;)
I wouldn't have called mine perfect, sadly. I thought it was at the time, but the rose tinted specs were clearly on when I viewed it & test drove it :( (Rusty tailgate that I didn't notice, GPS doesn't work, laquer peeling around the aerial base on the roof and, pointed out by 2woody last weekend, a badly filled dent in the roof just forward of said peeling laquer)
Never went back to him to have anything looked at though, because none of them were 'mechanical' failures covered by the warranty.. but I shouldn't have paid £4k for a car with issues like that, really.
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His cars are always in perfect condition and, as Entwood will confirm, he is good to his word ;)
I wouldn't have called mine perfect, sadly. I thought it was at the time, but the rose tinted specs were clearly on when I viewed it & test drove it :( (Rusty tailgate that I didn't notice, GPS doesn't work, laquer peeling around the aerial base on the roof and, pointed out by 2woody last weekend, a badly filled dent in the roof just forward of said peeling laquer)
Never went back to him to have anything looked at though, because none of them were 'mechanical' failures covered by the warranty.. but I shouldn't have paid £4k for a car with issues like that, really.
If you'd gone back to him he might have fixed them, or contributed towards. I know Entwood went back to him because someone had changed the shocks to standard instead of S/L. they were changed to S/L (as per the advert) at no charge :y
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That's pretty good service - at the time I just chalked him up as "used car salesman" and moved on; eventually I'll sort the problems (if I find a good tailgate in the right colour).. eventually - I do move at positively glacial speeds ;D
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I bought Miggy from Roger Buddens
Back in Nov 07 for 8,500
She had 60,000 on the clock
Now has done 109,000
49,000 miles of ownership much enjoyed :y :y
For me she just does the biz in every respect except colour
If that motor was an Estate in that colour I for one would be very very interested
I have no complaints about Roger Buddens service
He simply sells quality at the right price
I am at present considering giveing Miggy a spray job in Rubens Red as it's mine and swmbo's favourite
Or alternatively and more practically a shade of bright high gloss white as it's a solid colour
A solid colour is much easier to respray and overlay on to a single damaged panel as opposed to metalic/pearlescent coatings
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£4500?????? for an almost 10 year old car. I like Omegas but that's madness
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Is it my eyeballs or a trick of the light, but that front tyre looks flat.
It's just me being picky I suppose.
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Oh dear Aaronjb,sorry to read of your problems
May I endorse LD's comments
I'm fairly sure if you'd made things known as LD say's you'd have had some satisfaction
My impression of Roger Budden was like his car's he generally takes pride in being a cut above the rest
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Notice how the advert says reserved, someone must think its worth the money. Cars are worth much more if it what someone is looking for.
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Simple really.
A car is only worth what someone wants to pay for it. If no one considers it value for thier pocket then it wont sell.
On another note, Chris mentioned glass's guide for insurance purposes. They actually use parkers as that means they pay out les. the motor trade generally work on the lower price of either guide to buy a car (Generally parhers) and the higher guide to sell (Generally glass Black book)
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D.
Find me another, 3.2 Elite, with similar mileage for less.
Its worth that, because low mileage 3.2's are not very common. Given the state of most Omega's you see for sale, its worth it.
Also like to know what "book" you are reading! ;D
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Cheapest 3.2 on autotrader is £1,795.
There is also a similarly priced estate 3.2 with 66k miles showing reserved.
I presume you mean £1,750 D?
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/search/used/cars/vauxhall/omega/postcode/rg64da/radius/1500/engine-size-cars/3l_to_3-9l/sort/default
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What's wrong with the colour? I had one & was quite happy with it
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Lovely colour .... just the same as mine ;)
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D.
Find me another, 3.2 Elite, with similar mileage for less.
Its worth that, because low mileage 3.2's are not very common. Given the state of most Omega's you see for sale, its worth it.
Also like to know what "book" you are reading! ;D
Mine
3.2 elite, 2003, 21K, 1 owner, yearly service, 2 cambelts done at 4 yearly intervals, 3 month warranty, full tank of fuel and I paid 2.7k. 5 months ago. Tyres had 6mm depth and I got a service, MOT and half price cambelt change thrown in. Not a spot of rust or dents or anything wrong with it.
So Mr Bugden seems like daylight robbery.
CAP
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What book you looking at then D?
My 03 3.2 Elite is worth 3k according to glasses guide. Which is what insurers use to value all cars at market value. Now this one has even less miles than mine. Mr Budden is renowned for asking top money for his cars though, but they do usually present in top nic.
...although you'd think he'd pump the tyre up prior to. ;D
If its up to his usuall standard, 3.0- 3.5k might be more realistic. But having said that, that colour can easily knock 2k off the price. :-X
I have looked at a couple of cars at 2 different occasions. I was not impressed, superficially nice, but a good few underlying problems. Tried using them to negotiate price and the response I got was that his were the best cars on the market. Lets just say that I left pretty soon.
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Clearly got a good motor there D. Fair play.
But as you've seen, that is not the norm.
You don't really expect all omegas to be less than yours based on your car surely?
£750...? Almost as mad as Mr Budden? ;) ;D
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D, Sell your car to me for £750? Cash...stick out your hand...
:y
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Just buy this and have plenty of change ...
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VAUXHALL-OMEGA-ELITE-2-6-V6-IRMSCHER-DEMO-/190678205418?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item2c654e83ea
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the problem with that one is..it has been up for sale for months...not sure why but it did turn up at a kent meet last year.. :y
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cheapest 3.2 estate is mine it's in forsale section but locked now as over a month..still haven't put it on ebay..only £1100
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fair play to him but its what some one will pay for the car thay realy want , enyway makes my steinmetz est worth £5000 then as its one of only 2 in country i wish lol :y
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I speak from experience when I say that RB doesn't shift on his advertised prices, otherwise mine might well have come from him 5 years ago. The fact that he's shifted quite a few Omegas, and still does, makes me think enough buyers are prepared to pay, so good luck to him.
There's nothing like an owners' forum to devalue a car. I see this with the kit car forums I frequent too. The fact is that, if you take a broader view of the market, Omegas at that price are a bargain compared with similar vehicles, and good ones are getting less easy to find.
How many £750 Omegas have a mileage that low? How many are completely sorted cars ready to rack up a load of miles without any bother? My experience is that most Omegas of any mileage offered for sale need quite a bit of work to get them up to scratch, and that includes low mileage cars. I'd say in particular low mileage cars because low annual mileage plus a 20k service interval takes its' toll worst on a low mileage car.
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Just buy this and have plenty of change ...
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VAUXHALL-OMEGA-ELITE-2-6-V6-IRMSCHER-DEMO-/190678205418?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item2c654e83ea
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Bose and a different head unit?????????? it's worth 3 grand for that alone!!
If I had the money (assuming there's nothing wrong with it) I'd have that like a shot
Then stick a 3.2 in it...... ;)
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Whilst its a high price, its not that outrageous. Its (superficially, at least) a tidy car, very low mileage, from an established trader.
At that mileage, unless it was a dog not visible from pics, I'd put it easily at £3.5k
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D.
Find me another, 3.2 Elite, with similar mileage for less.
Its worth that, because low mileage 3.2's are not very common. Given the state of most Omega's you see for sale, its worth it.
Also like to know what "book" you are reading! ;D
Mine
3.2 elite, 2003, 21K, 1 owner, yearly service, 2 cambelts done at 4 yearly intervals, 3 month warranty, full tank of fuel and I paid 2.7k. 5 months ago. Tyres had 6mm depth and I got a service, MOT and half price cambelt change thrown in. Not a spot of rust or dents or anything wrong with it.
So Mr Bugden seems like daylight robbery.
CAP
In your first post you said that £4.5k was crazy money because the book price is £750. If you truely believe that they are only worth £750, then why on earth would you pay £2700 for yours? Doesn't make sense to me. :-\
Personally, I'd say it was maybe £1000 over-priced, but no more. :y
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Second the above post, I was just about ask why you paid over 3 times book price? No offence
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A quick look found this, OK an estate, interestingly also reserved........ :D :D
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A quick look found this, OK an estate, interestingly also reserved........ :D :D
Found what?
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Just buy this and have plenty of change ...
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VAUXHALL-OMEGA-ELITE-2-6-V6-IRMSCHER-DEMO-/190678205418?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item2c654e83ea
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That's nice, anyone want to buy a Jeep?.................... :D :D :D
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None taken. I thought 2.7k was overpriced, but given all the extras that were thrown in, the actual price of the car would have been a lot less.
The RB car is nearly 2k more. And from previous experience, it would probably need quite a few things to bring up to scratch.
I am not saying that he needs to or has to sell it for £750. I just find the price quite high. As Kevin said, I am looking to buy another Omega and due to the fact that he will not make any price adjustments for work that needs to be done on the car, I don't even feel the need to pursue this particular car. Otherwise I would have been quite interested.
At the end of the day it is a 10 year old car. If someone wants to spend 4.5k on it, then that's their choice. I find it silly. But going by some of the above posts, you guys must be rolling in money.
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So no 10 year old car is worth more than, what? £2.7k presumably?
Don't get me wrong, RB is absolutely top end of the Market, and as such yes he is expensive. But you did say book price is £750.
Anyway. Going by your sig, the fact your arguing the case means i/we are not fools. (at least not all the time) There for.... We win. ;)
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But going by some of the above posts, you guys must be rolling in money.
Not me D - I'm as poor as a bloody church mouse. :( :( but happy in myself. :-*
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But going by some of the above posts, you guys must be rolling in money.
Not me D - I'm as poor as a bloody church mouse. :( :( but happy in myself. :-*
I sleep on a mattress filled with £50 notes.
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But going by some of the above posts, you guys must be rolling in money.
Not me D - I'm as poor as a bloody church mouse. :( :( but happy in myself. :-*
I sleep on a mattress filled with £50 notes.
<Python mode on>
That's nothin' lad - I'm so bloody poor I can't afford a matress or a bed and have to sleep ont' floor wi me bloody cats. :( :(
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At least you can afford bloody cats!!! :) I'm so poor that........ :'( :'( :'(
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I ate my cats and made gloves from their skins. Told the missus I'd found a new owner who could afford to feed them :(
I'm thinking about next doors great dane, that would last a week in the pot....and I could make a willy warmer from the pelt ::)
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I ate my cats and made gloves from their skins. Told the missus I'd found a new owner who could afford to feed them :(
I'm thinking about next doors great dane, that would last a week in the pot....and I could make a willy warmer from the pelt ::)
Most people do eat em on a fri/sat night in a takeaway chop suey after 15 pints :-\