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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: tunnie on 15 May 2012, 21:00:13
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Just out of interest, any builders on forum could they give a ball park figure of putting an RSJ in a garage. As I have no idea if we are talking £750 or 5 grand :-\
I believe the centre pillar to be part of the support, so put an RSJ in and bash down that pillar.
It would make winter work sooo much easier!
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/803897/Omega/TheChav/ProjectWeekend/P1010098.JPG)
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Won't gaffer tape work?
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Won't gaffer tape work?
Even I'll admit, wondrous as it is, I don't think it will hold in this case ;D
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Have a read of this as it might help as somebody asking for same advice
http://www.diynot.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=151818 (http://www.diynot.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=151818)
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Have a read of this as it might help as somebody asking for same advice
http://www.diynot.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=151818 (http://www.diynot.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=151818)
Thanks, they describe almost exactly my parents garage. But no rough cost :-\
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Do you mean put an rsj in to support the roof, then knock out centre wall or use rsj for engine hoste support. :-\
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Do you mean put an rsj in to support the roof, then knock out centre wall or use rsj for engine hoste support. :-\
To support the roof, knock out the centre pillar. Put one single door in, allowing a car to be parked in the centre.
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Ok, assuming no centre wall behind the piller, would have thought fairly straight foward, Im not a builder but would have thought some change from approx 1000 fitted, exluding the the new door and replacement costs, which you could probavly do the door yourself.
Excuse typos, on the mobile.
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Looking on another of the diynot threads, they were talking about £400 for the RSJ, but that was 3 years ago.
Google "double garage lintel" and have a read.
You would need building regs and a structural engineer to calculate what you need and also to specify any changes to the supporting pillars.
You could always get a quote here to get a ballpark figure:
http://www.nationwideltd.co.uk/remove-centre-pillar.html (http://www.nationwideltd.co.uk/remove-centre-pillar.html)
But normally companies like this are more expensive than a local builder.
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Cheers :y
Will take a look :)
Struggled for ages as it is, be nice if it was not there. I have a feeling new garage door would be most expensive part!
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Might also want to budget £500 for garage clearance of all that junk. Surprised you got the car in. Is that an old exhaust system off a boat on the floor? Or save money and get Pikeys to come round. ;D ;D ;D
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Might also want to budget £500 for garage clearance of all that junk. Surprised you got the car in. Is that an old exhaust system off a boat on the floor? Or save money and get Pikeys to come round. ;D ;D ;D
I'll have you know that exhaust failed an MOT, I then borrowed it stole it. Fixed it up, slapped in on my 3.2 and still using it ;D
Omega is really tight in there, due to the way the doors shut, an Estate has to go in backwards!
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yes your garage door would be the most costly part and if you go electric well. have you thought of doing the RSJ your self with a few other guys to give you a hand.
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yes your garage door would be the most costly part and if you go electric well. have you thought of doing the RSJ your self with a few other guys to give you a hand.
Given my usual bodges, not sure thats a good idea ;D
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I'll have you know that exhaust failed an MOT, I then borrowed it stole it. Fixed it up, slapped in on my 3.2 and still using it ;D
Who patched it up? Clearly too good a job, only meant to pass your MOT ::)
Sounded a bit throaty the other day though ;)
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I'll have you know that exhaust failed an MOT, I then borrowed it stole it. Fixed it up, slapped in on my 3.2 and still using it ;D
Who patched it up? Clearly too good a job, only meant to pass your MOT ::)
Sounded a bit throaty the other day though ;)
Yeah I don't think its actually connected to the back box anymore ::)
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I used to be a bricklayer (time served apprentice) doing new build and renovation. You may fall foul of building reg if you use an RSJ. When you but in a lintol it must have a load certificate. If used a Catnic lintol these certificates are supplied with lintol or can be easily downloaded from manufacturer website.
An RSJ whilst much stronger as we all know does not have a certificate and is frowned upon by local jobsworths, sorry that should have read as proffesional local authority employee.
That job would take me two days labour plus materials, assuming roof joists run from garage doors to back wall.
It is not a difficult job, just need acro props to support roof and the knock out and install lintol and then demolish and make good.
HTH
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Bet you wouldn't see change from £2500 if paying labour as well.. You'll need a 15' garage door which will be a good £1000 for even a basic up'n'over, close to £2000 probably for a sectional or roller door.
I'm told (having looked at doing the same) catnic's are seriously expensive over a certain length, and the architect I used advised an RSJ (with supporting load calculations by a structural engineer) as it would be cheaper, but still £800 or so.
Plus labour, engineers calcs (£80, in my case, via the architect), any potential buildings regs inspection fees..
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Had a feeling it would be that kind of money, while it would be nice to walk all around the car, I just have to back it out and in the other way, which is a bit of a pain.
OptionB which is possible would be to extend back, lots of land behind that. Make it considerably longer, allow space to get in then position the car in the middle.
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OptionB is a much better plan - a friend actually did that, he had two single-car-wide, three-car-long garages and took out most of the middle wall, dropping an RSJ in. Cheaper than opening up the front (you don't need a single huge door which, btw, are very heavy to manually open - I have a 14' 7" door on mine) and you get tons of space.
There will always be a longer car (as I found trying to get the Jag in mine ;D) ;)
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There will always be a longer car (as I found trying to get the Jag in mine ;D) ;)
Bah! Cars are easily shortened. ::)
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There will always be a longer car (as I found trying to get the Jag in mine ;D) ;)
Bah! Cars are easily shortened. ::)
Well.. that one was! ;D
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Is the centre wall a support wall?
Could you leave the doors as they are and just knock the wall down behind so it is a through garage with two doors?
It may then stop you getting involved in Building Regs and save buying a new door.....
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Is the centre wall a support wall?
Could you leave the doors as they are and just knock the wall down behind so it is a through garage with two doors?
It may then stop you getting involved in Building Regs and save buying a new door.....
Unless there is already a lintel or RSJ in place then it's reasonable to asssume the center pillar will be load bearing.
That aside, what will you use to fill the gap created between the two doors when the center pillar is removed as well as supporting the door runners?
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How hard can it be? ;D
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Is the centre wall a support wall?
Could you leave the doors as they are and just knock the wall down behind so it is a through garage with two doors?
It may then stop you getting involved in Building Regs and save buying a new door.....
Unless there is already a lintel or RSJ in place then it's reasonable to asssume the center pillar will be load bearing.
That aside, what will you use to fill the gap created between the two doors when the center
pillar is removed as well as supporting the door runners?
Ah so that's where the gaffatape will come in this Tunniebodge.