Omega Owners Forum
Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: TheBoy on 21 May 2012, 17:41:46
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Am I going to be turning up as Billy-no-mates?
Who else is up for it?
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=102946.0
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Balls, I'm going to miss this by 2 days.
It would be best opportunity for them to straighten the steering wheel..... ::)
It doesn't matter either way, I have a cunning plan for my return in October.... :y
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I'll pop down tb :y
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Balls, I'm going to miss this by 2 days.
It would be best opportunity for them to straighten the steering wheel..... ::)
It doesn't matter either way, I have a cunning plan for my return in October.... :y
So do I, you can come and show me how to re-gel coat a fibre glass roof section of my train set.
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I'll pop down tb :y
Be great to meet you :y
Hoped some of the Milton Keynes members would come, as its on their doorstep, and only 15 mins from Northampton Mafia. Hopefully some of the further afield members will make an appearance too :-\
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Sounds like it could be fun...I'll pop down for a bit :)
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Sounds like it could be fun...I'll pop down for a bit :)
Will be good to see you again, joshwyatt, so please do make it along :y
Will it be Range Rover, Omega, or a decent car :P
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Sounds like it could be fun...I'll pop down for a bit :)
Will be good to see you again, joshwyatt, so please do make it along :y
Will it be Range Rover, Omega, or a decent car :P
Us poor empoverished car dealers can't afford decent cars ;D
Range Rover is leaking oil like a sieve, out of two Omega's both have no Tax so I think it'll have to be a decent car ;D
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Sounds like it could be fun...I'll pop down for a bit :)
Will be good to see you again, joshwyatt, so please do make it along :y
Will it be Range Rover, Omega, or a decent car :P
Us poor empoverished car dealers can't afford decent cars ;D
Range Rover is leaking oil like a sieve, out of two Omega's both have no Tax so I think it'll have to be a decent car ;D
Thought you were an experienced fella??
Kitty litter??
Trade plates??
;D
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Sounds like it could be fun...I'll pop down for a bit :)
Will be good to see you again, joshwyatt, so please do make it along :y
Will it be Range Rover, Omega, or a decent car :P
Us poor empoverished car dealers can't afford decent cars ;D
Range Rover is leaking oil like a sieve, out of two Omega's both have no Tax so I think it'll have to be a decent car ;D
Thought you were an experienced fella??
Kitty litter??
Trade plates??
;D
:D come now, kitty litter costs money...sawdust is free however :P
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Sounds like it could be fun...I'll pop down for a bit :)
Will be good to see you again, joshwyatt, so please do make it along :y
Will it be Range Rover, Omega, or a decent car :P
Us poor empoverished car dealers can't afford decent cars ;D
Range Rover is leaking oil like a sieve, out of two Omega's both have no Tax so I think it'll have to be a decent car ;D
Thought you were an experienced fella??
Kitty litter??
Trade plates??
;D
:D come now, kitty litter costs money...sawdust is free however :P
And I thought us Jocks were tight.
Softwood or hardwood?? ;D
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Sounds like it could be fun...I'll pop down for a bit :)
Will be good to see you again, joshwyatt, so please do make it along :y
Will it be Range Rover, Omega, or a decent car :P
Us poor empoverished car dealers can't afford decent cars ;D
Range Rover is leaking oil like a sieve, out of two Omega's both have no Tax so I think it'll have to be a decent car ;D
Thought you were an experienced fella??
Kitty litter??
Trade plates??
;D
:D come now, kitty litter costs money...sawdust is free however :P
And I thought us Jocks were tight.
Softwood or hardwood?? ;D
A good vintage hardwood does the trick nicely...I buy my stuff from this gentleman, he's also trained me in the fine art of good customer service;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9igQ18GIqvc
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I'd like to put in an appearance but I think it's unlikely I'll be able to convince SWMBO or justify another trip over that way, especially as we're working on plans for Lakes and/or Newent ;)
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I am in Brackley for that weekend...I'll see if I can get permission to attend ;D ;D ;D :y
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Not particularly bothered about Wim as I've lost faith slightly, but if there's enough of the usual suspects heading over...
Christmas takes priority that weekend though, depending on final dates. ;)
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Balls, I'm going to miss this by 2 days.
It would be best opportunity for them to straighten the steering wheel..... ::)
It doesn't matter either way, I have a cunning plan for my return in October.... :y
So do I, you can come and show me how to re-gel coat a fibre glass roof section of my train set.
I only know how to use epoxy, not poly. Besides getting poly to stick to poly is not easy, whereas epoxy sticks and wont come off. The only problem is UV and degradation. Happy to come down at some point if you need but ike I said it wont be until mid Oct.
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I was planning to go over If allowed out ::)
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Ahh. Having the rellies over for a barbecue so I'll be flipping burgers and drinking home brew all day. :(
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Not particularly bothered about Wim as I've lost faith slightly, but if there's enough of the usual suspects heading over...
Christmas takes priority that weekend though, depending on final dates. ;)
Indeed it does ;) :y
Much as I want to come over I do have to be sensible... It's not exactly "Around the corner" for me ;)
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Not particularly bothered about Wim as I've lost faith slightly, but if there's enough of the usual suspects heading over...
How so, CG?
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Must have been 15 consecutive visits, for various unrelated reasons, where the steering wheel was never straight. I was given all the excuses under the sun as to why, the main one being,"collective play across the steering mechanism" this was banded repeatedly so i insisted they show me this play.
Wheel baring was all they could find. Replaced. No different. I spent a good while checking and double checking for faults, but as the steering wheel had been offset for so long I sort of got used to it.
I then changed cars to my current one. Changed suspension, changed this and that, set up, sw still pissed. So asked them "Guys, wtf is going on with this steering wheel business...?"
They said bring it back, which I did, and miraculously they now had the facility to heat up rear track rods. Adjusted the rear toe to within limits, as this was always an excuse that the rear track rod was seized and couldn't be adjusted.
Track rod heated, adjusted, rear end was now set perfectly according to them, and so it proved on the read out. Ok, set the front. Drove away, and by now I know where to drive the car, when leaving wim, to check the steering is straight. Dadaaah. Perfectly straight steering.
Now don't get me wrong, I'm pleased they sorted it in the end, and they are still the premier set up company to recommend IME. But, for a company claiming such precision and quality, I am miffed they bullshited the fact that they didn't have oxy to heat track rods, and sent me off replacing and search for parts that might have play, when the fault was on a Differant axle altogether.
Not rather impressed. Tbh!
But the cars drives lovely now. :)
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Reads very disappointing, what can i say other i'm very sorry and we not in the habit of letting owners down.
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If I can make it I will, but things are a bit tight as we'll be off to France on the following Friday.
As regards to WIM, geometry set up first class, but on two diffenent Omegas, failed to get the steering wheel straight.
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Poxy steering box's..... At least in MK we can test drive the car to validate the steering position.
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It's break all to do with the steering box mate!
And from experience, if you want to know where to check the steering wheel is straight, turn left at the roundabout outside your place in Chesham. Up the hill. If its not straight in the first 100 yards of that hill, it's out. Got wise to that one!
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It's break all to do with the steering mate!
And from experience, if you want to know where to check the steering wheel is straight, turn left at the roundabout outside your place in Chesham. Up the hill. If its not straight in the first 100 yards of that hill, it's out. Got wise to that one!
It`s responses like that which brought about this http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=103134.0 ;D ;D ;D ;D
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It's break all to do with the steering mate!
And from experience, if you want to know where to check the steering wheel is straight, turn left at the roundabout outside your place in Chesham. Up the hill. If its not straight in the first 100 yards of that hill, it's out. Got wise to that one!
It`s responses like that which brought about this http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=103134.0 ;D ;D ;D ;D
Purely factual Rob. Purely factual. ;D
I've heard that bs too many times I'm afraid.
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It's break all to do with the steering box mate!
And from experience, if you want to know where to check the steering wheel is straight, turn left at the roundabout outside your place in Chesham. Up the hill. If its not straight in the first 100 yards of that hill, it's out. Got wise to that one!
Calm down, i was being polite... It is to do with the steering box because between the front wheels we can get about a degree of movement, and if you go up that hill the steering position can be one way and the other way down the hill, been there done that.
Strange that we only get this problem with cars that have a steering box? Hence the reason why we ask the customer to set the steering position.
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It's break all to do with the steering box mate!
And from experience, if you want to know where to check the steering wheel is straight, turn left at the roundabout outside your place in Chesham. Up the hill. If its not straight in the first 100 yards of that hill, it's out. Got wise to that one!
Calm down, i was being polite... It is to do with the steering box because between the front wheels we can get about a degree of movement, and if you go up that hill the steering position can be one way and the other way down the hill, been there done that.
Strange that we only get this problem with cars that have a steering box? Hence the reason why we ask the customer to set the steering position.
You did read the bit about adjusting the rear track rod, right?
And historically I'd suggest not bothering one of those baffle with science quotes from the Wim web site. I dont buy it.
We all make mistakes, I accept that, but if we're going to see corporate BS to try and defend the indefensable I don't think members here will be impressed by that at all.
You'd be better admitting an over site on oxy bottles and leave it there. I wasn't born yesterday.
But over all it's no massive issue, no tyre wear has occurred etc, but honesty is best policy IMO.
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I would add though, it is a four hour round trip for me to visit Wim and get home again including the work to be done when adding in traffic and god knows what else.
I'd hope any responses given would reflect the commitment shown to your company, and the fact the same issue was encountered on two different cars.
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Chris i have explained why we have some issues with the Omega and MB, and it's obvious your not convinced with my explanation. I am man enough to hold my hand up high when proved wrong or if mistakes have been made.... No company is perfect and any company that says they are, are bloody lier's.
I actually don't feel at blame here but since you cannot read logic into my explanation for why this can happen i will gladly refund you the geometry fee and fuel costs.
Please can you confirm for the board you was only charged for the geometry once, and all other geometries where at our expense.
Your fuel costs i will pay for and trust you to give me a honest figure.
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chrisgixer - if you have a point to make, please make it politely, and lose the aggression. It doesn't help, and contributes towards the issues being discussed in the "Omega Owners Forum" thread I started.
Wheel-In-Motion - I think in this instance, chrisgixer is trying to say that, for whatever reason, the rears were never adjusted. We know rears are prone to seizure on Omegas.
Forgive my ignorance - I try to understand the geometry aspects of Omegas, but just when I think I understand, another force/setting comes into play, and then I realise I don't understand it at all - but if the rear toe is wrong, the thrust angle will be wrong, which would put everything else wrong? Could this be a reason for steering being off centre? Is the Omega particularly sensitive to thrust angle being perfect?
I have always left WIM with a straight wheel, but then, apart from the very first time in Watford when mine were seized, I've always left Watford with a thrust angle of 0.00.
What is an acceptable range on thrust angle?
As an aside, last time mine was set up, the other TB at WIM didn't use the MB bar to tension the steering. Didn't matter, as the wheel was straight (not any more though, opps).
Lastly, chrisgixer, if the road up to Chesham Bois highlights the steering is off, was there no option to swing it round and ask WIM to make a second attempt? I know, if anything like me, by the time you've done 90mins there, been there for 45mins, once the car is pointing home, its hard work to turn it around ;D
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I must admit, my steering wasn't straight when I left WIM the first time but went straight back and it was sorted. I've always found the service to be good and worth the 5 hour round trip for me.
I also think Tony have made a very kind and generous offer WRT refunding the costs and that sort of thing does make a big difference in how a business is viewed.
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Tony, I paid £60 plus vat, or what ever the charge is for oof, on every visit iirc except the recall ones.
But I had "unrelated" reasons as said in my first post, for each visit, except possibly 3 which where returns to correct the steering only.
So in short, no refund would be necessary or fair. But, acceptance of the issue as in my first post, without insulting people's intelligence would be all I ask.
No other action made any odds, other than adjusting the rear track rods to correct tolerance. We had engine running, we had a spring loaded Rod across the front wheels, we had spirit levels, and adjusting and re adjusting the sw position.
But as said, as soon as the rear track rods where altered to within limits, perfect. No problem, straight as a die, as set with engine off, no extra gadgets or gizmos and no spring loaded bar across the wheels!
As said, it's no biggy, after a couple of return visits I gave up on seeing the steering straight ever again and accepted that. The other visits where as a result of work I had done fiddling around with suspension in various guises, and noticed "oh look, steering down on the left again" on every visit. All except the last one that is.
Thanks for the offer, but I'd prefer that if we are to recommend oof to other members that the service received is worth us recommending Wim time and time again. With results such as mine and a couple others on here, I personally wonder what the actual results are like generally, as you would.
Two posts since I started typing TB, no aggression in my post other than the clear fact that the fault is indeed, break all to do with the steering box. Further though, Tony will insist the car is taken out of the area before accepting a steering error as the roads around Chesham are indeed very poor as he says. But after 15 visits the first impression on the first 100 yards of that hill is conclusive when later compared to roads I know on my commute. But as Tony says to take it out of the area, that's what I did. Also knowing the appointment behind me pulled onto the ramp as I left, that's going to be another 45odd minute wait to sort it, so trust Tonys word and take it home. Nope still pissed, sigh...
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Hmm.. and there was me thinking of pootling up in the BM as it desperately needs an alignment (no point going in the Omega with it's wobbly wishbones and I sold the MR2 to save me aligning that one ;D)..
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Hmm.. and there was me thinking of pootling up in the BM as it desperately needs an alignment (no point going in the Omega with it's wobbly wishbones and I sold the MR2 to save me aligning that one ;D)..
Well, I have to say, there really is nobody else i would trust to do the job. Given experience.
Nobody's perfect after all.
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Maybe I'll book in and tootle up on the bank holiday then :)