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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Jay w on 03 April 2008, 23:42:22
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Last year i bought the kit for the Omega, SGI and a 70l tank = £705
Just had a quote for another one from the same company but this time 80l......£630!!!!!
Madness, that's half the price i can get it fitted for....sod it i am going to do another one DIY
Its a shame we cant get a bulk buy together and then one bank holiday weekend do a few of them, we must have half a dozen members here that want/need them done
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He was happy to talk about a 10% discount for us before. Let's get a list together and go for it. :y
Kevin
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Jeremy is also putting together a V8 quote for me :y
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mines being done once we have the engine, i will be doing it all at the same time.
He now only supplies with the poly pipe, this makes the pipework so much easier, the rest of it is pretty much run of the mill for me now, the only thing i won't do is the Lambda wiring.
if you had 4 people doing the supervising, and the owners of the cars doing a lot of the donkey work you could get 6 cars done in a couple of days, the only caveat is that the cars have to be in good mechanical order before starting otherwise you are making issues for yourself
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do the job properly and throw a 4 hole 100 litre tank in there!
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mines being done once we have the engine, i will be doing it all at the same time.
He now only supplies with the poly pipe, this makes the pipework so much easier, the rest of it is pretty much run of the mill for me now, the only thing i won't do is the Lambda wiring.
if you had 4 people doing the supervising, and the owners of the cars doing a lot of the donkey work you could get 6 cars done in a couple of days, the only caveat is that the cars have to be in good mechanical order before starting otherwise you are making issues for yourself
I could be very interested in this too.. I'll keep an eye out as this thread develops, it could end up being a very cost effective and interesting exercise for us all.. :y
In the meantime I have a couple of unresolved oil leaks to sort out, nothing too major - but just waiting for someone to come and supervise as they promised..
NICK
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Jeremy is also putting together a V8 quote for me :y
When you get a quote for the V8 could you let me know the costs.
Thanks :y
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I am looking into LPG after finding out about the ROAD TAX hike, but i think most of you chaps are quite far from me in leeds so I don't know how well that would work.
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Yep... I'm interested! I'm quite happy to do most of the install anyway. Just a bit concerned about the drilling/Tapping of the manifold, making the holes in the bodywork, and the final set up!
Definitely planning to convert so this could be the way forwards!!
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Yep... I'm interested! I'm quite happy to do most of the install anyway. Just a bit concerned about the drilling/Tapping of the manifold, making the holes in the bodywork, and the final set up!
Definitely planning to convert so this could be the way forwards!!
The first time i did mine i had the same concerns.....
Measure twice, cut once :y it works for me......
I generally have a couple of spare inlet manifolds around as well, just in case things do go slightly pete tong.
The filler neck goes in the bumper, i know a lot of places that don't like doing it, but it saves getting a rusty quarter panel in a few years time
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I am looking into LPG after finding out about the ROAD TAX hike, but i think most of you chaps are quite far from me in leeds so I don't know how well that would work.
The trick there is to make sure that we try and get as central to everyone as possible.....
Some people will have to travel further than others, but that could be due to location.....
I don't believe LPG will lower your Tax, although i would be happy to be wrong on that.....can anyone confirm?
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I think it does but looking at the figures its only a small amount.
I have just posted a Road Tax Petition link in a thread! Would be good if we could get the whole forum to sign
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I would defenitly be interested, especially if we could get enough interest to get the extra 10% dicount. Maybe if people wanted to do an LPG conversion meet then maybe a bank holliday weekend would be good too give us a little extra time as not to be racing against the clock. If you could PM me the details of the kit and supplier Jay that would be appriciated.
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Count me in...Shifnal is pretty central - where the last cambelt party was held. :y
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In the meantime I have a couple of unresolved oil leaks to sort out, nothing too major - but just waiting for someone to come and supervise as they promised..
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As you can see, I barely have the time to maintain my own car, let alone devote the time that my girlfriend, dogs, and family deserve..
It's no wonder I am run down >:(
Whist I agree I did say I would help as soon as I could... if it's a real priority for you I would kindly suggest enquiring around a few other local members who would be happy to help you strip/refit the cambelt, crank pulleys, and change the oil seal...
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God Jame s your a busy man!!!!
I cant thankyou enough for giving up one of your very few spare weekends.
James is very kind at offering and helpin to work on other peoples cars to the extent he ends up putting off the work that requires doing to his beast. >:(
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Does anyone know if a diesel will start and run on LPG ONLY??????
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Does anyone know if a diesel will start and run on LPG ONLY??????
No
But they have systems that run together and increase BHP :y
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I am certainly up for it now, and I know of another V6 Omega that is waiting for a conversion.
Not sure about a meet to do complete conversions. As it stands I think one car from start to finish in a weekend is do-able but not sure how that would "scale up" :-/. It could be a week to do a handful of cars, a weekend to partially convert 5 or 6 cars or a weekend to fully convert 5 or 6 given enough hands on deck who have been through the process before.
One thing that could help is to fit injector nozzles to as many manifolds as possible up front. This is a job that takes a little time and patience so not as easy to do "on the day". A quick manifold swap, however, is not too bad.
Other jobs, such as fitting the tank, are not too difficult and hopefully people could do that sort of thing in advance. Wiring is tricky because it all has to be assembled on the vehicle. This could be made more "plug and play" alternatively given enough vehicles in a state ready for it to be done it wouldn't take long per car once we're up to speed.
Mapping is another topic and would need to be considered, especially for those who are not competent to go away and do the fine tuning themselves.
Kevin
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phoned a few places there now 1 was £1200 with 2 years warrenty the other £1500 with a 90l tank and no warrenty.DIY DIY DIY DIY any DVDs on it plus someone with it to fit it ;D ;D
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Well, one way round the issue of how to tackle a large number of installs might be to document one install very well, with pictures and / or video. :y
Kevin
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Well, one way round the issue of how to tackle a large number of installs might be to document one install very well, with pictures and / or video. :y
Kevin
Hmm... what are we doing tomorrow ;D
Got a good camera? ::)
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Thought long and hard over the last couple of days... I really didn't want to lose the through load facility but have decided that fitting a tank between the rear arches is the only way forwards!!! It'll still leave a cavernous boot.
Is there anyone with a spare V6 inlet manifold who is prepared to drill and fit injectors on an exchange basis? Just thinking that this would make the install much easier and I'd probably be prepared to go it alone. The rest of it isn't a major concern, although if we could get the wiring looms in plug and play that'd be fantastic!
Any chance on some more info on the kit you guys recommend?
One last question... Does the on board computer work on LPG or is that expecting too much??
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I don't have a manifold but would be more than happy to fit some nozzles if one can be found.
Fuel consumption on the MID will be on the basis of the petrol that the car would have consumed, so probably useful as a guide but not accurate.
Kevin
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Last year i bought the kit for the Omega, SGI and a 70l tank = £705
Just had a quote for another one from the same company but this time 80l......£630!!!!!
Madness, that's half the price i can get it fitted for....sod it i am going to do another one DIY
Its a shame we cant get a bulk buy together and then one bank holiday weekend do a few of them, we must have half a dozen members here that want/need them done
i am interested, but are they a barstool to fit. who quoted the 650 for the kit alone.#?
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I am certainly up for it now, and I know of another V6 Omega that is waiting for a conversion.
Not sure about a meet to do complete conversions. As it stands I think one car from start to finish in a weekend is do-able but not sure how that would "scale up" :-/. It could be a week to do a handful of cars, a weekend to partially convert 5 or 6 cars or a weekend to fully convert 5 or 6 given enough hands on deck who have been through the process before.
One thing that could help is to fit injector nozzles to as many manifolds as possible up front. This is a job that takes a little time and patience so not as easy to do "on the day". A quick manifold swap, however, is not too bad.
Other jobs, such as fitting the tank, are not too difficult and hopefully people could do that sort of thing in advance. Wiring is tricky because it all has to be assembled on the vehicle. This could be made more "plug and play" alternatively given enough vehicles in a state ready for it to be done it wouldn't take long per car once we're up to speed.
Mapping is another topic and would need to be considered, especially for those who are not competent to go away and do the fine tuning themselves.
Kevin
i agree with kev i dont think a gas conversion party is a good idea or do able.
from what i have learnt today it has been a constant go to get my motor 80 % of the way done and thats without running into any major snags. and as the fellas said its only half an engine! >:( ;)
you would have to have LPG experanced people doing a lot of the work. its the fiddly jobs that only one person can only get to at a time. (there is only so much space in the engine bay!)
there would have to be a lot of pre work done prior to any sort of lpg meet to realisticly achevie anything.
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im going from memory now so if i miss out anything then please correct me.
Wiring:
The kits that i have bought have been straightforward. The injection loom was plug and play,
then there was a live and earth (Battery)
Switched live and RPM signal (From ECU)
The rest of the connectors then are for the LPG side of things and with the exception of the switch they all have moulded multiplugs.
Engine work
The inlet manifold needs to be taken off the car, drill and tapped with 6mm threads,
The heater hose at the back of the engine by the HBV needs to be cut and a hot water supply and return to the vaporiser created
the injectors require mounting
the ECU requires mounting (by the pollen filter seems to be a favourite)
The vaporiser needs mounting (under the airbox on V6's)
Back end
The Tank needs mounting (this means measuring, drilling and sometimes tapping the floor)
The filler neck needs fitting (if doing a bumper then this needs to come off, makes the job easier)
The pipework needs fitting from filler to tank and tank to front
Odds and ends.
The switch needs fitting inside
Tidy wiring up
Run configuration and fine tune
That's pretty much it
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Thanks Kevin,
TBH that's the only part I'd be really reluctant to do... And that's more due to a lack of good equipment than anything else!
I fitted an extra tank to my Rangey when I had it and virtually re-plumbed the front end anyway, although it was only an open loop induction system, so I'm fairly confident with most of the work.
Does the kit recommended by members here come complete with all the software and leads required to set it up and I assume it has an auto-calibrate system to get you in the right ball park?
Definitely think that DIY is the way to go as I know I can get the system certified, to keep insurers happy, for under £50 anyway!
Does anyone else think that getting a manifold prepared by someone experienced, like Kevin, and then swapping them on an exchange basis could be the way forwards? Failing that, how much would a V6 manifold set me back??
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You don't have to do it in one go, I'd suggest doing a lot of it in advance and not take the car off road
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I agree Martin,
Could easily start at the back. Fit tank/Filler and pipework, then run LPG lines to engine bay, fit filter solenoid, mount ECU and even Vaporiser, connect feed pipes and do wiring then, finally swap manifold and plumb water flow return.
I reckon on somewhere around 9-10 man days for a DIY installation to the standard I'd be happy with!
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I agree Martin,
Could easily start at the back. Fit tank/Filler and pipework, then run LPG lines to engine bay, fit filter solenoid, mount ECU and even Vaporiser, connect feed pipes and do wiring then, finally swap manifold and plumb water flow return.
I reckon on somewhere around 9-10 man days for a DIY installation to the standard I'd be happy with!
4 weekends about 6 hours a day not rushing
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Oh, and what you're saying, Kevin, is that the MID still works although it is assuming petrol usage not LPG so MPG displayed will be slightly higher than actual figures, taking into account that I'd only expect to get 80-90% max economy on LPG in comparison to petrol.
I assume the range function wont work on LPG as it must use the petrol tank sender as part of its calculation? Not that it's a problem... Just use the trip counter. I didn't even have a gauge in the Rangey... Just knew to fill up at around 300 miles every time!
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I agree Martin,
Could easily start at the back. Fit tank/Filler and pipework, then run LPG lines to engine bay, fit filter solenoid, mount ECU and even Vaporiser, connect feed pipes and do wiring then, finally swap manifold and plumb water flow return.
I reckon on somewhere around 9-10 man days for a DIY installation to the standard I'd be happy with!
4 weekends about 6 hours a day not rushing
Martin,
Your idea of a weekend day is obviously very similar to mine!!!
;) ;) ;) ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D
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i would like to see the "quality" of an installation that only took one working day, aka the omvl outfit in south wales that regularly advertises on fleebay
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its not doable ! well to a standard that you trust to last.
we really were up against it this weekend and even now there is stuff left to do. not major but still need doing.
they must be complete cowboys or have a convayor belt going with the cars ;D ;D ;D ;D
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In the meantime I have a couple of unresolved oil leaks to sort out, nothing too major - but just waiting for someone to come and supervise as they promised..
Lots and lots of busy dates (see the post)..
As you can see, I barely have the time to maintain my own car, let alone devote the time that my girlfriend, dogs, and family deserve..
It's no wonder I am run down >:(
Whist I agree I did say I would help as soon as I could... if it's a real priority for you I would kindly suggest enquiring around a few other local members who would be happy to help you strip/refit the cambelt, crank pulleys, and change the oil seal...
Thank you for having the decency to reply at last..
I don't see why you chose to reply publicly like this.. but seeing as you have... Let me have a say too!!
It WAS and IS a priority and I did inquire - and YOU were the local member who put himself forward to OFFER his help!
You know full well that this story has been going on for FOUR months now.. and you make it sound that I was being unreasonable or beating your door down for a quick solution!!
The car broke down before Xmas and after repeated broken 'arrangements' you did come to see me Feb 9th.. and you did help me greatly by putting a new cam kit on.. but you promised to return in 2 weeks to finish the job. YOUR promise freely given..
You know that all you had to do was answer any of your messages, or keep to any of your postings on this subject..
I asked you many times to say if you couldn't come and I would take the car elsewhere or ask someone else.. but no, you kept me hanging around with just enough false hope that I thought it ungentlemanly to take it elsewhere..
In the meantime I have been without my car for 4 months - fortunately I have the use of my Mum's car..
Why wait so long people may say, but it's quite simple when you think that the alternative may be the grubby hands of a stealer.. And believe me an appointment has been made to take it there twice now.. but you guessed it - the appointment was canceled because someone promised to come again!!
If you really didn't have the time - all you had to do was say..
If you didn't want to do it then all you had to do was say..
And most importantly if you knew you were so booked up and busy for so long it was immoral to make the promises you did..
Don't get me wrong.. I was so grateful when you came, and I was so grateful that the car could be fixed..
but I gave you so many opportunities to back out - but YOU insisted to continue..
I'm not angry that you're not coming, that's your choice - but I am angry with myself for believing that you would keep your word!! >:(
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God James you're a busy man!!!!
I cant thank you enough for giving up one of your very few spare weekends.
James is very kind at offering and helpin to work on other peoples cars to the extent he ends up putting off the work that requires doing to his beast. >:(
I agree that he has a kind heart and I agree that he is kind to give up his weekends.. but that isn't the issue here and that's not what the problem was..
We all can have a problem with time management and god knows many of us agree to do things and think afterwards 'how the h*ll am I going to fit that in'
But if we make promises we keep them and usually we resolve things within 4 months and if not we don't say one thing in private and another in public..
But at the end of the day it's still a shame that James has decided to become an ex-member - he made an excellent contribution..
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Just to say to everyone that reads this that I've only just read James' post to say he's leaving.. I have to fit the forum around a very busy schedule and I don't get chance to catch up as often as I'd like - hence writing this at 2.30am..
I'm truly sorry he's having personal problems.. I had no idea and he didn't say.
I truly mean what I said in my last post.. It's a great shame he's leaving - I did meet him and he has a great personality and is obviously kind hearted..
Although it's easier to understand the reason with hindsight - I was a little miffed that he didn't just say "I'm sorry Nick, I can't come" instead of running me round for so long..