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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Auto Addict on 08 April 2008, 05:08:57
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Something, or someone, triggered the house alarm @ 03.45 this morning, been up since then, can't get back to sleep >:(
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Just before xmas, a nieghbours house alarm kept going off, he didn't know, because he was at work, but it was allways the early hours when it sounded. Police= waste of time. Council- same. So i caught hold of him one morning as he walked home from work had a word with him. It's been fine since, but why allways the early hours :-? :-?
& 10 mins seams like forever >:( >:(
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friend of mine had the same problem with his neighbours alarm everytime they went on holiday
one year they came back to find it hanging off the wall splattered with shotgun pellets
no idea how that happened
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Mine never goes off, it looks like an attempt was made to get into the garage.
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Good deterent then :y
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Mine never goes off, it looks like an attempt was made to get into the garage.
They know you have a full set of auto glym products in a display case in there AA!
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had a problem with my neighbour and this fortunatly i had my ladders on the van so i climed up opened the bell box and cut the wire to the power sounder :D
it did keep going off alot and he did thank me :D
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Something, or someone, triggered the house alarm @ 03.45 this morning, been up since then, can't get back to sleep >:(
Lost any weight?
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There's a house up the road from us where the alarm goes off frequently. I went and poked around with a torch the first couple of times but now I ignore it. Not much use as a deterrent now.
If people aren't going to maintain them I wish they would disable them. Problem is, houses have been there for 9 years, alarm company are a bunch of shysters so anyone with any sense will have told them to break off, and now the batteries are starting to get a bit ropey and a few spiders are living in PIRs I suspect.
Kevin
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Reminds me of a lovely story.
A bloke I worked with had a burglary in identical house next door. So my friend decided to instal an alarm. The mother and father of an alarm with zones, flashing lights, external illumination and NOISE. So far so good.
A few days after installation he went out on the lash, staggered to bed after setting the alarm. Middle of the night got up to answer call of nature and get a glass of water from downstairs. Of course he set the alarm off and went to disarm it but couldn't remember the number due to his still drunken state and all the noise going on..... ;D ;D ;D ;D
varche
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I went out on then lash one night with a mate of mine (a scouser) who was leaving work and we ended up fairly close to my parents' house so I offered him the spare bedroom and we turned in for the night.
About 4 AM he decides to go for a slash, and then can't remember which bedroom he came from. He decided the safest course of action would be to go downstairs and kip on the sofa rather than risk picking the wrong room.
Of course, I had set the burglar alarm, and then passed out to the extent that I slept like a baby through the chaos that ensued. ;D
My Dad is impossible to wake as well, so my mum gets up to investigate, and finds a scouser she'd never met before in his boxer shorts bouncing round the living room in a panic. :o
She said she would have lumped him one but for the fact that burglars don't tend to operate in boxer shorts and he didn't appear to have a video concealed anywhere on his person. ;D
Kevin
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I have my own security business installing alarm systems, CCTV systems etc, the best thing you can do is have it serviced once a year to make sure everything is in order and any problems will be picked up straight away. People have this general conception that once you have an alarm installed then thats it for life unfortunatly its not as the most common fault is your back up battery in the alarm panel failing after a number of years then you baisically burn the back of the alarm panel causing a number of faults including going off for no reason in the middle of the night. Hope this helps a little.
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I have my own security business installing alarm systems, CCTV systems etc, the best thing you can do is have it serviced once a year to make sure everything is in order and any problems will be picked up straight away. People have this general conception that once you have an alarm installed then thats it for life unfortunatly its not as the most common fault is your back up battery in the alarm panel failing after a number of years then you baisically burn the back of the alarm panel causing a number of faults including going off for no reason in the middle of the night. Hope this helps a little.
Mine gets serviced every year and the battery changed every 2 years.....but then I have a good supply of free batteries!
Only time it goes off is if I set it off by opening the garage door without dissarming it!
I have to say that I think the maintenance timers and not providing the engineer codes/boss engineer codes to the customer is a little naughty.
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The timer i put on my alarm systems i install is just a reminder for the customer that it is due for service, they ring me up and i turn it of over the phone with, take 10secs to do.
Not giving the customer the engineer code is not really an issue as the customer doesnt need to really do anything to the alarm system but what they can do and need to do like changing your own user code and omiting zones you can do all this through your own code, you dont need engineer for that. The engineer code is there to protect myself as an engineer against other engineers working on my alarm systems not to prevent the customer from working on it.
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I have to say that I think the maintenance timers and not providing the engineer codes/boss engineer codes to the customer is a little naughty.
Alarm company wanted 80 or 90 quid a year plus 30 odd quid just to change the code on our alarm when we moved in. Fortunately they had left the "engineer" manual with the previous owner so a quick master reset and I configured it how I wanted. ;)
Kevin
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I have to say that I think the maintenance timers and not providing the engineer codes/boss engineer codes to the customer is a little naughty.
Alarm company wanted 80 or 90 quid a year plus 30 odd quid just to change the code on our alarm when we moved in. Fortunately they had left the "engineer" manual with the previous owner so a quick master reset and I configured it how I wanted. ;)
Kevin
Exactly, when the original technician arrived to book a service of my old setup, I just handed him the panel......as I had ripped the poorly installed 4 zone setup (4 bed house with 3 reception rooms, 3 doors and an integral garage!) out and installed a more advanced 8 zone unit with greater coverage of the house.
They were not amuzed! ;D ;D
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That is the problem sometimes with big companies, i am a one man band and have been installing security equipment for about 7years now and tend to specialise in high end equipment as dont believe in fitting sub standard. Yet for an average alarm system i would charge £52 a year for a maintenance contract covering alarm for parts, labour and call out for 12 months which i think is quite reasonable for your peace of mind and to be honest the majority of alarms i fit are under contracts. Ok there are some who say dont bother leave it and i have been to houses myself where an alarm has been in for 15 years on the same battery and it all works fine yet i have been to some where battery is knackered after a year. Upto you what you do i can only give you some honest advice. Any help on security equipment you need feel free to ask. Regards Steve
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That is the problem sometimes with big companies, i am a one man band and have been installing security equipment for about 7years now and tend to specialise in high end equipment as dont believe in fitting sub standard. Yet for an average alarm system i would charge £52 a year for a maintenance contract covering alarm for parts, labour and call out for 12 months which i think is quite reasonable for your peace of mind and to be honest the majority of alarms i fit are under contracts. Ok there are some who say dont bother leave it and i have been to houses myself where an alarm has been in for 15 years on the same battery and it all works fine yet i have been to some where battery is knackered after a year. Upto you what you do i can only give you some honest advice. Any help on security equipment you need feel free to ask. Regards Steve
Steve
I always fit and maintain my own setups but, what panel would you recommend?
I have a Texecom unit at the moment which has been very good.
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Texecom best you can buy from there budget C8 and R8 panels upto the premier grade 3 panels they are all excellent and i wouldnt touch anything else. They win award after award and make my life so much easier as you very very rarely get anything faulty from them which is great for me as i never get called out.
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... for an average alarm system i would charge £52 a year for a maintenance contract covering alarm for parts, labour and call out for 12 months which i think is quite reasonable...
Yes, not unreasonable. Like Mark, I suspect, I am able to look after it myself so I would prefer to do so.
It was the manner in which the previous company tried to extract the money from me rather than the cost that got my goat.. Saying that it would render my insurance invalid and threatening to come and remove the alarm (with no legal basis to do so) if I didn't pay up. Words engineered to extract money out of the vulnerable IMHO, and that really gets me fired up, I'm afraid.
Anyway, I'd also be interested in your recommendations for a panel as mine has a couple of doubled up zones now. I've got a few Texecom PIRS which I seem to recall being impressed with when I installed them.
Kevin
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Texecom best you can buy from there budget C8 and R8 panels upto the premier grade 3 panels they are all excellent and i wouldnt touch anything else. They win award after award and make my life so much easier as you very very rarely get anything faulty from them which is great for me as i never get called out.
Thats good news, I did replace the transformer on my Excel setup (Which I guess is just an R8+ with LCD keypad) as its a bit on the noisey side.
Chose the Excel due to LCD keypad making config etc a little easier although the PC interface also seems to function well.
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I have my own security business installing alarm systems, CCTV systems etc, the best thing you can do is have it serviced once a year to make sure everything is in order and any problems will be picked up straight away. People have this general conception that once you have an alarm installed then thats it for life unfortunatly its not as the most common fault is your back up battery in the alarm panel failing after a number of years then you baisically burn the back of the alarm panel causing a number of faults including going off for no reason in the middle of the night. Hope this helps a little.
Mine gets serviced every year and the battery changed every 2 years.....but then I have a good supply of free batteries!
Only time it goes off is if I set it off by opening the garage door without dissarming it!
I have to say that I think the maintenance timers and not providing the engineer codes/boss engineer codes to the customer is a little naughty.
Mine is serviced every 12 months as well, never gone off without reason since fitted, 18 years ago.
No movement sensors, just impact and closure sensors on all doors and windows.
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To be honest you cant really go wrong with anything texecom its all good, if you want extra care against false alarms then go for a dual tech sensor which is an IR and microwave sensor in same unit, both have to be triggered to cause an alarm (more expensive tho).
I assume when you are saying your looking after your own alarm you are obviously all up on resistence levels on your alarm cable and know what levels mean you have a problem and what means ok, also your correct charging rates for battery plus rate at which voltage dropped from battery per zone on alarm and have the correct equipment to measure this??
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... for an average alarm system i would charge £52 a year for a maintenance contract covering alarm for parts, labour and call out for 12 months which i think is quite reasonable...
Yes, not unreasonable. Like Mark, I suspect, I am able to look after it myself so I would prefer to do so.
It was the manner in which the previous company tried to extract the money from me rather than the cost that got my goat.. Saying that it would render my insurance invalid and threatening to come and remove the alarm (with no legal basis to do so) if I didn't pay up. Words engineered to extract money out of the vulnerable IMHO, and that really gets me fired up, I'm afraid.
Anyway, I'd also be interested in your recommendations for a panel as mine has a couple of doubled up zones now. I've got a few Texecom PIRS which I seem to recall being impressed with when I installed them.
Kevin
Yes price is very good for those less technically minded than ourselves.
Makes British gas maintenance plans look a rip off!
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Texecom best you can buy from there budget C8 and R8 panels upto the premier grade 3 panels they are all excellent and i wouldnt touch anything else. They win award after award and make my life so much easier as you very very rarely get anything faulty from them which is great for me as i never get called out.
Thats good news, I did replace the transformer on my Excel setup (Which I guess is just an R8+ with LCD keypad) as its a bit on the noisey side.
Chose the Excel due to LCD keypad making config etc a little easier although the PC interface also seems to function well.
Thats pretty much what the excell is to be honest although i have only ever fitted one of them as myself and most engineers tend jump into the premier range after the R8. But dont worry you have made a good choice as i said before all the texecom range is good.
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To be honest you cant really go wrong with anything texecom its all good, if you want extra care against false alarms then go for a dual tech sensor which is an IR and microwave sensor in same unit, both have to be triggered to cause an alarm (more expensive tho).
I assume when you are saying your looking after your own alarm you are obviously all up on resistence levels on your alarm cable and know what levels mean you have a problem and what means ok, also your correct charging rates for battery plus rate at which voltage dropped from battery per zone on alarm and have the correct equipment to measure this??
Yup.
The battery charge setup on mine is somewhat modifed (by myself) to improve the battery life as the standard charger setup is a little crude.
Its funny because I always look at the control panel and think, I ought to design one of these myself but, never got round to it.
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... for an average alarm system i would charge £52 a year for a maintenance contract covering alarm for parts, labour and call out for 12 months which i think is quite reasonable...
Yes, not unreasonable. Like Mark, I suspect, I am able to look after it myself so I would prefer to do so.
It was the manner in which the previous company tried to extract the money from me rather than the cost that got my goat.. Saying that it would render my insurance invalid and threatening to come and remove the alarm (with no legal basis to do so) if I didn't pay up. Words engineered to extract money out of the vulnerable IMHO, and that really gets me fired up, I'm afraid.
Anyway, I'd also be interested in your recommendations for a panel as mine has a couple of doubled up zones now. I've got a few Texecom PIRS which I seem to recall being impressed with when I installed them.
Kevin
Yes price is very good for those less technically minded than ourselves.
Makes British gas maintenance plans look a rip off!
Doesnt make them look like a rip off, it is a rip off.
I hear so many horror stories of what people charge to come out and look at things its crazy, but saying that with the price of fuel and car tax now prices are always going to rise. Personally i couldnt charge silly amounts for going to house for 2mins, but then again people will say your not paying for how long it takes to fix your paying for what that person knows in his profession
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Doesnt make them look like a rip off, it is a rip off.
I hear so many horror stories of what people charge to come out and look at things its crazy, but saying that with the price of fuel and car tax now prices are always going to rise. Personally i couldnt charge silly amounts for going to house for 2mins, but then again people will say your not paying for how long it takes to fix your paying for what that person knows in his profession
Try calling British Gas out at 3 AM too! ;D
Kevin
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... for an average alarm system i would charge £52 a year for a maintenance contract covering alarm for parts, labour and call out for 12 months which i think is quite reasonable...
Yes, not unreasonable. Like Mark, I suspect, I am able to look after it myself so I would prefer to do so.
It was the manner in which the previous company tried to extract the money from me rather than the cost that got my goat.. Saying that it would render my insurance invalid and threatening to come and remove the alarm (with no legal basis to do so) if I didn't pay up. Words engineered to extract money out of the vulnerable IMHO, and that really gets me fired up, I'm afraid.
Anyway, I'd also be interested in your recommendations for a panel as mine has a couple of doubled up zones now. I've got a few Texecom PIRS which I seem to recall being impressed with when I installed them.
Kevin
A texecom R8 would do you fine which has 8 zones if you want more zones and fancy the challenge of the phone book as a programing manual then go for the premier with flush mounted keypad in satin chrome with prox tag looks great.
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... for an average alarm system i would charge £52 a year for a maintenance contract covering alarm for parts, labour and call out for 12 months which i think is quite reasonable...
Yes, not unreasonable. Like Mark, I suspect, I am able to look after it myself so I would prefer to do so.
It was the manner in which the previous company tried to extract the money from me rather than the cost that got my goat.. Saying that it would render my insurance invalid and threatening to come and remove the alarm (with no legal basis to do so) if I didn't pay up. Words engineered to extract money out of the vulnerable IMHO, and that really gets me fired up, I'm afraid.
Anyway, I'd also be interested in your recommendations for a panel as mine has a couple of doubled up zones now. I've got a few Texecom PIRS which I seem to recall being impressed with when I installed them.
Kevin
A texecom R8 would do you fine which has 8 zones if you want more zones and fancy the challenge of the phone book as a programing manual then go for the premier with flush mounted keypad in satin chrome with prox tag looks great.
:y
Kevin
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... for an average alarm system i would charge £52 a year for a maintenance contract covering alarm for parts, labour and call out for 12 months which i think is quite reasonable...
Yes, not unreasonable. Like Mark, I suspect, I am able to look after it myself so I would prefer to do so.
It was the manner in which the previous company tried to extract the money from me rather than the cost that got my goat.. Saying that it would render my insurance invalid and threatening to come and remove the alarm (with no legal basis to do so) if I didn't pay up. Words engineered to extract money out of the vulnerable IMHO, and that really gets me fired up, I'm afraid.
Anyway, I'd also be interested in your recommendations for a panel as mine has a couple of doubled up zones now. I've got a few Texecom PIRS which I seem to recall being impressed with when I installed them.
Kevin
A texecom R8 would do you fine which has 8 zones if you want more zones and fancy the challenge of the phone book as a programing manual then go for the premier with flush mounted keypad in satin chrome with prox tag looks great.
Do they not also support the PC interface programming?
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A gold keypad!
http://www.alertelectrical.com/Burglar-Intruder-Alarm-Systems/Alarm-Control-Panels/Texecom-Premier-control-panels/default.asp
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A gold keypad!
http://www.alertelectrical.com/Burglar-Intruder-Alarm-Systems/Alarm-Control-Panels/Texecom-Premier-control-panels/default.asp
Its actually polished plastic brass and looks sh*t in real life
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A gold keypad!
http://www.alertelectrical.com/Burglar-Intruder-Alarm-Systems/Alarm-Control-Panels/Texecom-Premier-control-panels/default.asp
Its actually polished plastic brass and looks sh*t in real life
Possibly more popular in Essex then........ ::)
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... for an average alarm system i would charge £52 a year for a maintenance contract covering alarm for parts, labour and call out for 12 months which i think is quite reasonable...
Yes, not unreasonable. Like Mark, I suspect, I am able to look after it myself so I would prefer to do so.
It was the manner in which the previous company tried to extract the money from me rather than the cost that got my goat.. Saying that it would render my insurance invalid and threatening to come and remove the alarm (with no legal basis to do so) if I didn't pay up. Words engineered to extract money out of the vulnerable IMHO, and that really gets me fired up, I'm afraid.
Anyway, I'd also be interested in your recommendations for a panel as mine has a couple of doubled up zones now. I've got a few Texecom PIRS which I seem to recall being impressed with when I installed them.
Kevin
A texecom R8 would do you fine which has 8 zones if you want more zones and fancy the challenge of the phone book as a programing manual then go for the premier with flush mounted keypad in satin chrome with prox tag looks great.
Do they not also support the PC interface programming?
Yes the Premier range does it has a software system called wintex very good if you are doing multiple setups or dialing in remotely but pretty pointless on site to be honest if you are just setting up one system.
A good wireless system thats out now is the infinite prime call it up on your way home and tell it to put the heating on turn the lights on or off plus many more pointless but fantasticaly cool boys toys
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A gold keypad!
http://www.alertelectrical.com/Burglar-Intruder-Alarm-Systems/Alarm-Control-Panels/Texecom-Premier-control-panels/default.asp
Its actually polished plastic brass and looks sh*t in real life
Possibly more popular in Essex then........ ::)
;D ;D ;D ;D
The satin chrome one is really nice though just hard to get a customer to pay so much for a keypad.
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A gold keypad!
http://www.alertelectrical.com/Burglar-Intruder-Alarm-Systems/Alarm-Control-Panels/Texecom-Premier-control-panels/default.asp
Its actually polished plastic brass and looks sh*t in real life
Possibly more popular in Essex then........ ::)
EW! :o
That reminds me of another job I've yet to do. Replace all the brass effect 13 amp sockets and light switches with white ones. Still, only been there 3 years. Garage was sorted in about 3 weeks. :y
Kevin
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A gold keypad!
http://www.alertelectrical.com/Burglar-Intruder-Alarm-Systems/Alarm-Control-Panels/Texecom-Premier-control-panels/default.asp
Its actually polished plastic brass and looks sh*t in real life
Possibly more popular in Essex then........ ::)
EW! :o
That reminds me of another job I've yet to do. Replace all the brass effect 13 amp sockets and light switches with white ones. Still, only been there 3 years. Garage was sorted in about 3 weeks. :y
Kevin
Good man nice to see you have your priorities right, I have just been down to Leeds not long ago to sort my mates garage out alarm with 127db master blaster siren burst your ear drums plus 4*8ft double flourecent lights it puts a spray booth to shame, but then it is to keep his 720BHP Ultima GTR warm and safe. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Good man nice to see you have your priorities right, I have just been down to Leeds not long ago to sort my mates garage out alarm with 127db master blaster siren burst your ear drums plus 4*8ft double flourecent lights it puts a spray booth to shame, but then it is to keep his 720BHP Ultima GTR warm and safe. ;D ;D ;D ;D
He He. I've even been getting away with a marine ply bathroom floor for about 2 years. Might have to give in and tile that soon though.. :'(
Ultima GTR? :-*
Does he take it to Le Mans at all? Might have bumped into him if so. I often go to the same camp site (Chanteloup) that the Ultima club go to (in my Westfield). I can sometimes be found looking at their cars and druelling.
They are awesome bits of kit. Only thing that would put me off is that I can't think of anywhere (road or track) that you'd be able to give one of those a "proper spanking". ;D
Kevin
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There is certain track days you can take it to V-Max do one. But the speed in which it gets to silly speeds is just rediculous!!!!! Last time we where out in it we out run a ducati 998 on the motorway i wont say what speed we where doing but it was fantastic and put gay biker boy in his place. He hasnt taken it to le man he has only just got it back cause some 87year old woman drove over the front of it when it was parked £27500 worth if damage and she didnt even know she had done it!!!! Anyway its back now and is baisically a brand new car.
Before any do gooders for respect the speed limit dont do this and dont do that, i dont want to hear it, there was only us on the motorway end of story.
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I have my own security business installing alarm systems, CCTV systems etc, the best thing you can do is have it serviced once a year to make sure everything is in order and any problems will be picked up straight away. People have this general conception that once you have an alarm installed then thats it for life unfortunatly its not as the most common fault is your back up battery in the alarm panel failing after a number of years then you baisically burn the back of the alarm panel causing a number of faults including going off for no reason in the middle of the night. Hope this helps a little.
Mine gets serviced every year and the battery changed every 2 years.....but then I have a good supply of free batteries!
Only time it goes off is if I set it off by opening the garage door without dissarming it!
I have to say that I think the maintenance timers and not providing the engineer codes/boss engineer codes to the customer is a little naughty.
Mine is serviced every 12 months as well, never gone off without reason since fitted, 18 years ago.
No movement sensors, just impact and closure sensors on all doors and windows.
Was gonna suggest you've got a mouse AA and to fit pet lenses to the PIR's but as you havent got any......then maybe not ;D
I used to fit alarms years ago, when the 1st cordless ones came out, not the crap stuff you get in diy stores mind.......and used to take along a qualified electician with me.....he'd do the wiring part, id do the wireless bits, not that i couldnt do it, just so my arse was covered if anything went wrong.
I remember one customer i had to fit pet lenses on all the PIR's so their bloody cat didnt set the alarm off......well if it decided to climb up curtains or get up anywhere high up it would set the alarm off.....but what can you do.......when there not prepared to shut it in a room without PIR, when they are out ::)
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No such thing as a good cordless alarm....much to easy to get round!
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I remember one customer i had to fit pet lenses on all the PIR's so their bloody cat didnt set the alarm off......well if it decided to climb up curtains or get up anywhere high up it would set the alarm off.....but what can you do.......when there not prepared to shut it in a room without PIR, when they are out ::)
Probably cheaper to fit pet pir's rather than replace clawed carpets in the doorsways or easier than getting up to stop cats doing the above at O crack sparrow fart. We have them fitted, as I understood it each pir sends out more than one 'beam' & at least 2 need to be seen by the pir to trigger the alarm.
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Not giving the customer the engineer code is not really an issue as the customer doesnt need to really do anything to the alarm system but what they can do and need to do like changing your own user code and omiting zones you can do all this through your own code, you dont need engineer for that. .......
I originally worked out the engineer's code on mine. The next time it was serviced the code was changed :-? but I do know the current number. On the occasion I decorate I like to paper under, rather than up to the various alarm bits, & the tamper won't reset with just my code.
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It was me.........did you not notice the silver footprints :D
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No such thing as a good cordless alarm....much to easy to get round!
True. My parents have one of the better ones. Decided to give it a walk test before they went away on holiday and found out half the sensors had dead batteries. No indication at all. Just no alarm. :o
Kevin
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There is certain track days you can take it to V-Max do one. But the speed in which it gets to silly speeds is just rediculous!!!!! Last time we where out in it we out run a ducati 998 on the motorway i wont say what speed we where doing but it was fantastic and put gay biker boy in his place. He hasnt taken it to le man he has only just got it back cause some 87year old woman drove over the front of it when it was parked £27500 worth if damage and she didnt even know she had done it!!!! Anyway its back now and is baisically a brand new car.
Before any do gooders for respect the speed limit dont do this and dont do that, i dont want to hear it, there was only us on the motorway end of story.
One of the guys I was talking to at Le Mans went through a speed trap in Belgium. They followed. He decided he was only a mile or two from the border and opened 'er up. :o
He later recieved a letter saying they clocked him by helicopter the wrong side of 200 MPH and that he's no longer welcome in Belgium.
Kevin
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No such thing as a good cordless alarm....much to easy to get round!
True. My parents have one of the better ones. Decided to give it a walk test before they went away on holiday and found out half the sensors had dead batteries. No indication at all. Just no alarm. :o
Kevin
Thats why they should be maintained. But the wireless one i fit wont even let you set the alarm if the battery is dead in any of the pirs and will give you warning of them on lcd display. Plus there is a grade 3 wireless alarm out now which is fully insurance approved for a lot more than any of our houses.
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There is certain track days you can take it to V-Max do one. But the speed in which it gets to silly speeds is just rediculous!!!!! Last time we where out in it we out run a ducati 998 on the motorway i wont say what speed we where doing but it was fantastic and put gay biker boy in his place. He hasnt taken it to le man he has only just got it back cause some 87year old woman drove over the front of it when it was parked £27500 worth if damage and she didnt even know she had done it!!!! Anyway its back now and is baisically a brand new car.
Before any do gooders for respect the speed limit dont do this and dont do that, i dont want to hear it, there was only us on the motorway end of story.
One of the guys I was talking to at Le Mans went through a speed trap in Belgium. They followed. He decided he was only a mile or two from the border and opened 'er up. :o
He later recieved a letter saying they clocked him by helicopter the wrong side of 200 MPH and that he's no longer welcome in Belgium.
Kevin
You just know you would have the letter framed and sat on your mantle piece ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Not giving the customer the engineer code is not really an issue as the customer doesnt need to really do anything to the alarm system but what they can do and need to do like changing your own user code and omiting zones you can do all this through your own code, you dont need engineer for that. .......
I originally worked out the engineer's code on mine. The next time it was serviced the code was changed :-? but I do know the current number. On the occasion I decorate I like to paper under, rather than up to the various alarm bits, & the tamper won't reset with just my code.
You have engineer reset on your alarm its a pain in the arse if alarm ever goes off engineer has to reset it, call out charges here we come, bad trick that one.