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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: Bionic on 11 June 2012, 16:11:22
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:) Ok, we have had loads of rain and the roads are to put it midly 'iss wet most of the time with standing water cos the drains cannot cope!
My 3.0 beast, although well shod very near to 85% tread on both, skates its rear wheels each time a bit of power is put on and holding the road on a fairly sharp bend or roundabout is asking for trouble at anything over 30 cos the back end just breaks away without much warning. I have tried it with the TC on and off and it makes no difference.
Can someone tell me what a decent wet weather tyre is for miggy 3.0 auto is? I have used Michelin Primacy Pilot and Dunlop SP Sport Maxx but wonder if there are any more to have ago at?
I am now even considering putting winter tyres on and suffering the low mileage from them just to be safe from sliding......... :(
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Vredesteins are excellent wet weather tyres.
Having said that, I'm on middling Kumhos and don't have any bother - is the suspension geometry all checked and fine, all bushes and mounts in good condition?
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I have used both Primacy and Sport Maxx and found them to be pretty decent in the wet, TBH.
No tyre will cope with dispersing the level of standing water we get on some of our roads, now that the councils appear to have given up maintaining the roads and their drainage systems, but if you really are experiencing the back end getting wayward without provocation I would look a little further afield than the tyres.
I find my Omega pretty neutral in dry and wet weather, and you'd certainly have to be fooling around to get the back end to step out on a wet roundabout. I also find there's plenty of warning when it does let go.
Shocks, springs, bushes, at the front and the rear are worth a once-over as is the suspension geometry if nothing looks worn, IMHO.
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I can only recommend Cooper Zeon CS6 tyres. I bought two front ones to replace the only slightly worn Dunlop SP Sport 9090's I had. They were too noisy for me so had to go. They went on and I can't believe how much better they feel. They've got about 6k on them now since they went on and they still feel like new. Very precise and feel like they roll a bit less than the Dunlops. And I thought the Dunlops were good! Grip in the wet is great too. Feels really sure footed and only twitches under the hardest braking.
http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyre/Cooper/Zeon-CS6.htm
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Nokian H
Toyo T1 Sport
Michelin Pilot EXALTO
Continental ComfortContact
Vredestein UltraCCento
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for wet weather pirelli pzero (not any sub model not rosso or nero or etc) is #1
http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/2011-Auto-Zeitung-Max-Performance-Tyre-Test.htm (http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/2011-Auto-Zeitung-Max-Performance-Tyre-Test.htm)
goodyear eagle f1 asymmetric 2 is #2 (its #1 for overall) :y
but must warn none of them good on snow or frost or ice..
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I have used both Primacy and Sport Maxx and found them to be pretty decent in the wet, TBH.
No tyre will cope with dispersing the level of standing water we get on some of our roads, now that the councils appear to have given up maintaining the roads and their drainage systems, but if you really are experiencing the back end getting wayward without provocation I would look a little further afield than the tyres.
I find my Omega pretty neutral in dry and wet weather, and you'd certainly have to be fooling around to get the back end to step out on a wet roundabout. I also find there's plenty of warning when it does let go.
Shocks, springs, bushes, at the front and the rear are worth a once-over as is the suspension geometry if nothing looks worn, IMHO.
Can't disagree with any of that, except maybe the Michelin, IME, seem to go rock hard (like a budget tyre) after a few k.
I have to really try to get my (purposely 'pointy' setup) MV6 to break traction on those Sport Maxx TT.
The Elite has Heinz 57 budgets. Don't have to try in the dry before I'm lookin out of the passenger window. Again. In the wet, its Miss Daisy mode.
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Should add, the Sport Maxx TT are "OK" in the ice and snow. Not great, and certainly nothing like a proper winter tyre, but OK.
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I presume we're talking about a summer tyre that works well in the wet, rather than a specific wet weather orientated tyre?
Sc3 very good in the wet, IMO.
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...and to add. What ever performance a tyre has in the dry for the money, wet weather grip always seems to be proportionate to the cost, generally speaking.
In other words, cheap tyres simply don't work in the wet. Look at premium stuff if your after all round performance.
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...and to add. What ever performance a tyre has in the dry for the money, wet weather grip always seems to be proportionate to the cost, generally speaking.
In other words, cheap tyres simply don't work in the wet. Look at premium stuff if your after all round performance.
yes.. no buts ifs..
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...and to add. What ever performance a tyre has in the dry for the money, wet weather grip always seems to be proportionate to the cost, generally speaking.
In other words, cheap tyres simply don't work in the wet. Look at premium stuff if your after all round performance.
Some cheap tyres have the same level of grip wet or dry. May I present Autogrip, surely the most lethal tyre on the planet ;D
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...and to add. What ever performance a tyre has in the dry for the money, wet weather grip always seems to be proportionate to the cost, generally speaking.
In other words, cheap tyres simply don't work in the wet. Look at premium stuff if your after all round performance.
Some cheap tyres have the same level of grip wet or dry. May I present Autogrip, surely the most lethal tyre on the planet ;D
On par with Triangle I believe. Who the opps thought calling a tyre manufacturing company Triangle was a good idea?!
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Don't know if anyone in UK heard about Tigar tyres.
Deadly even on Yugo ;D
Only good thing was that they couldn't get penetrated (were made from material more like plastic than rubber)
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.. and I also meant to say.. try experimenting with tyre pressures at the rear. It will get wayward at the back if you've pumped up the back end when fully laden and then forgotten to let the air out, especially when wet. Set pressures to 32 PSI all round unladen and take it from there.
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Whoopiedoo, Sound advice and it was as I thought it would be. There is nothing wrong with the mecahnical bits or their setup, all tyre pressures are checked weekly and set at 32 all round. The problem is purely down to the tyres that I originally took off when I bought it and stored so I could use my Michelin's. The Michy's wore out and so I then put on the pair of Admirals, also known as Autotread/Autogrip on the rear and that is when the crappy (lethal) roadholding (NOT >:( :'() started. I have opted to keep my SportMaxx on the front cos they have loads of life left yet and hold really well in the dry and wet but the lousy rears are coming off and the ones I used to have on, Michelin Pilot Primacy are going back on. When the time comes to change the SportMaxx's due to tread life I will then have to decide whether to go for them or go for the Michy's Primacy Pilot's cos I really like a matched set all round.
As for the worst cheapo tyre ever I have but to fully agree that it the dreadful Autotread and its partner the Admiral/Autogrip range........
As said by many.....you get what you pay for and cheapo inevitably means very poor, even lethal performance. I value my life and that of others so no budgets for me......ever :y
I have found that the Michy's were the ones that gave the most comfortable and quietest ride out of those I have used before too.
Thanx for the advice, and to those of you with 'lesser' brands I would strongly advise to get them off! (the tyres that is ;D)
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Ahh. Tyres that have been stored are often pretty dire when put back into service. I think new tyres have a sealant on them which prevents them degrading in storage but not so once they have been used. They do sometimes recover once you've worn off the top layer - if you're brave. ;)
That combined with a pretty grippy tyre like the SportMaxx up front is probably a bad recipe.
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you can sand the tires with 150-220 grid once a year so the hardened surface will be removed.. but dont exaggerate :D ;D
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Always keep stored tyres out of sun light.
Always fit the crap tyre on the front, as under steer is safer. Although not as much fun. :)
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Always fit the crap tyre on the front, as under steer is safer. Although not as much fun. :)
I'm all for a bit of fun when driving, but to quote my dear father, "There is a difference between scratching your arse, and tearing it to bits."
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Always keep stored tyres out of sun light.
Always fit the crap tyre on the front, as under steer is safer. Although not as much fun. :)
yes.. as the solvents in the tire are highly volatile , they must be kept as cold as possible
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Always fit the crap tyre on the front, as under steer is safer. Although not as much fun. :)
I'm all for a bit of fun when driving, but to quote my dear father, "There is a difference between scratching your arse, and tearing it to bits."
;D :y
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Also before storing tyres I would recommend to have them washed thoroughly then sprayed in silicon based tyre renewal spray and wrapped in nylon.
This sealant what kevin Wood mentions is also silicone based I believe.
Also put them on the side
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;) Decision has been put into action now and those black circles of death are about to go on their final journey now.
They were stored in a garage out of the sun and in were sprayed all over with a tyre preserver/shine covered and then covered with an old tent flysheet. The treatment was bugger to wash off before I drove on them too. They were fully inspected and no hard spots were found and there was no signs of any mildew or damp. All in all I reckon that they were just a sheer s**te tyre only suitable for use in the third world and even then not above 20mph!
;D ;D ;D ;D Anyone in the market to buy them with loads of tread on them both can give me a PM ????????????