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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: TheBoy on 22 March 2008, 18:58:38
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Tell them to sort their crap rather proxies out, useless rather tossers >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
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Has someone upset you?
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Is it something to do with the forum page being down for a while just now???
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Has someone upset you?
Useless rather incompetent rather useless bunch of rather useless tossers >:(
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Has someone upset you?
Sounds like it Zoe::)
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You would never have guessed though ::) ;D
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AOL = Always Off Line
Left them a few years ago, useless...
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i have been with them a year or so and dont have any trouble !! i am on cable though rather than dsl :y
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Thought Mrs The Boy had pulled the wrong plug out to plug the Hair Dryer in ;D
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i have been with them a year or so and dont have any trouble !! i am on cable though rather than dsl :y
Their gay proxies sit on their internet side, so all their customers end up going through the proxies.
Still, as said, its normally NTL/Virgin ones that cause me all the grief...
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Thought Mrs The Boy had pulled the wrong plug out to plug the Hair Dryer in ;D
No, Linux is crap enough to be able to self destruct without her intervention...
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Thought Mrs The Boy had pulled the wrong plug out to plug the Hair Dryer in ;D
No, Linux is crap enough to be able to self destruct without her intervention...
:o :o
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Thought Mrs The Boy had pulled the wrong plug out to plug the Hair Dryer in ;D
No, Linux is crap enough to be able to self destruct without her intervention...
:o :o
::) Ah grasshopper, he understands-not; the way of the penguin! ::)
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i know what you mean, absoloute f*****g crap. So f*****g expensive aswell
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i know what you mean, absoloute f*****g crap. So f*****g expensive aswell
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Hope you're talking about AOL!
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i know what you mean, absoloute f*****g crap. So f*****g expensive aswell
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Hope you're talking about AOL!
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Yea i am ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Thought Mrs The Boy had pulled the wrong plug out to plug the Hair Dryer in ;D
No, Linux is crap enough to be able to self destruct without her intervention...
:o :o
::) Ah grasshopper, he understands-not; all hail the way of the penguin! ::)
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Thought Mrs The Boy had pulled the wrong plug out to plug the Hair Dryer in ;D
No, Linux is crap enough to be able to self destruct without her intervention...
:o :o
::) Ah grasshopper, he understands-not; the way of the penguin! ::)
I have to work with that piece of crap Linux day in day out. Useless piece of crap.
We haven't many of them, compared to other OS's, but they take a fair amount of my time. Also, its the only OS we run (fully internet facing) thats ever been compromised.
Don't believe the type from the anti MS brigade, Linux is slow, poor resource mgmt, unable to deal with task mgmt under load, and unreliable.
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I am on AOL....and yes they are a bunch of rather useless toss"rs.
A O HELL
>:( >:( >:(
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I was with AOL for years -- since the days of AOL 1. But gave it all up for SKY --- haven't looked back and saved a packet ( to spend on the miggy !)
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If you choose to leave A.O.L to go with someone else you'll have to get a "migration code" off them to give to your new provider but dont assume that once thats done you are free from A.O.L coz you aint my friend as they'll keep billing you even if you've cancelled your direct debit... So watch out......
Keith...........
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If you choose to leave A.O.L to go with someone else you'll have to get a "migration code" off them to give to your new provider but dont assume that once thats done you are free from A.O.L coz you aint my friend as they'll keep billing you even if you've cancelled your direct debit... So watch out......
Keith...........
Very true -- they billed me for a couple of months after I had migrated -- til I noticed and put them straight >:(
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AOL has always sucked, i know BT uncapped is expensive, but because they own the line and hardware they problem solve quicker than most ISP's. And i also download about 200 gig's of movie's etc evey month, and to do that you need an unthrottled and uncapped service. AOL has neither, even if they claim otherwise.
Hmnn... now that i think about it, BT does throttle SOME p2p services, but you can work round it with proxys and random ports.
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AOL has always sucked, i know BT uncapped is expensive, but because they own the line and hardware they problem solve quicker than most ISP's. And i also download about 200 gig's of movie's etc evey month, and to do that you need an unthrottled and uncapped service. AOL has neither, even if they claim otherwise.
Hmnn... now that i think about it, BT does throttle SOME p2p services, but you can work round it with proxys and random ports.
No, has to be run as seperate entities for regulatory reasons.
Also, last persion I know who downloaded that much on BT consumer ISP ended up with a £100 bill....
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AOL = Always Off Line
Left them a few years ago, useless...
Na "Assholes on line"
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AOL has always sucked, i know BT uncapped is expensive, but because they own the line and hardware they problem solve quicker than most ISP's. And i also download about 200 gig's of movie's etc evey month, and to do that you need an unthrottled and uncapped service. AOL has neither, even if they claim otherwise.
Hmnn... now that i think about it, BT does throttle SOME p2p services, but you can work round it with proxys and random ports.
No, has to be run as seperate entities for regulatory reasons.
Also, last persion I know who downloaded that much on BT consumer ISP ended up with a £100 bill....
Beg to differ mate, BT have engineers in all citys and most towns, so they DO respond to problems faster than say Pipex or tiscali ;)
As for the bandwidth question? well i pay 50 quid a month for an uncapped service, UNCAPPED, so i don't know what you mean by 'consumer ISP' , for me? well it was nearer 250gig's last month (I wanted to catch up on 'Lost') I suppose it depends on what you use you're connection for.
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AOL has always sucked, i know BT uncapped is expensive, but because they own the line and hardware they problem solve quicker than most ISP's. And i also download about 200 gig's of movie's etc evey month, and to do that you need an unthrottled and uncapped service. AOL has neither, even if they claim otherwise.
Hmnn... now that i think about it, BT does throttle SOME p2p services, but you can work round it with proxys and random ports.
No, has to be run as seperate entities for regulatory reasons.
Also, last persion I know who downloaded that much on BT consumer ISP ended up with a £100 bill....
Beg to differ mate, BT have engineers in all citys and most towns, so they DO respond to problems faster than say Pipex or tiscali ;)
As for the bandwidth question? well i pay 50 quid a month for an uncapped service, UNCAPPED, so i don't know what you mean by 'consumer ISP' , for me? well it was nearer 250gig's last month (I wanted to catch up on 'Lost') I suppose it depends on what you use you're connection for.
Sorry, you are incorrect. BT do not have mobile ISP engineers. The engineers you see are Openreach engineers, and are entirely unrelated with the ISPs (BT Yahoo, BT Broadband, BT Connect, Plusnet) that BT own. If a BT ISP customer has a line fault, BT ISPs have to use the same BT Wholesale systems and processes as every other BT Wholesale customer, and get the same treatment.
I'm interested in what ISP you use - is it consumer or a business account (Business generally are uncapped). Still, 250Gb is excessive even for a small business. What the hell do you use that much bandwidth for - you'd be better off with a LES10 or similar circuit if your legitimate needs are that high :o - That is higher than a 1Mb max'd out line 24/7
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I'm on BT now and they gave me a free PVR with IPTV fascilities (BT Vision)
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AOL has always sucked, i know BT uncapped is expensive, but because they own the line and hardware they problem solve quicker than most ISP's. And i also download about 200 gig's of movie's etc evey month, and to do that you need an unthrottled and uncapped service. AOL has neither, even if they claim otherwise.
Hmnn... now that i think about it, BT does throttle SOME p2p services, but you can work round it with proxys and random ports.
No, has to be run as seperate entities for regulatory reasons.
Also, last persion I know who downloaded that much on BT consumer ISP ended up with a £100 bill....
Beg to differ mate, BT have engineers in all citys and most towns, so they DO respond to problems faster than say Pipex or tiscali ;)
As for the bandwidth question? well i pay 50 quid a month for an uncapped service, UNCAPPED, so i don't know what you mean by 'consumer ISP' , for me? well it was nearer 250gig's last month (I wanted to catch up on 'Lost') I suppose it depends on what you use you're connection for.
Sorry, you are incorrect. BT do not have mobile ISP engineers. The engineers you see are Openreach engineers, and are entirely unrelated with the ISPs (BT Yahoo, BT Broadband, BT Connect, Plusnet) that BT own. If a BT ISP customer has a line fault, BT ISPs have to use the same BT Wholesale systems and processes as every other BT Wholesale customer, and get the same treatment.
I'm interested in what ISP you use - is it consumer or a business account (Business generally are uncapped). Still, 250Gb is excessive even for a small business. What the hell do you use that much bandwidth for - you'd be better off with a LES10 or similar circuit if your legitimate needs are that high :o - That is higher than a 1Mb max'd out line 24/7
I reckon BT Total Broadband option 3
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And the reason no consumer ISP will do true unlimited bandwidth is costs - a max'd out 8Mbit line costs around £1500 per month in Central costs alone. This does not include port costs (£6-£8 per month). Then there are transit costs. So a max'd out 8Mb line is approaching £2k per month. So losing the ISP £1950 per month.
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AOL has always sucked, i know BT uncapped is expensive, but because they own the line and hardware they problem solve quicker than most ISP's. And i also download about 200 gig's of movie's etc evey month, and to do that you need an unthrottled and uncapped service. AOL has neither, even if they claim otherwise.
Hmnn... now that i think about it, BT does throttle SOME p2p services, but you can work round it with proxys and random ports.
No, has to be run as seperate entities for regulatory reasons.
Also, last persion I know who downloaded that much on BT consumer ISP ended up with a £100 bill....
Beg to differ mate, BT have engineers in all citys and most towns, so they DO respond to problems faster than say Pipex or tiscali ;)
As for the bandwidth question? well i pay 50 quid a month for an uncapped service, UNCAPPED, so i don't know what you mean by 'consumer ISP' , for me? well it was nearer 250gig's last month (I wanted to catch up on 'Lost') I suppose it depends on what you use you're connection for.
Sorry, you are incorrect. BT do not have mobile ISP engineers. The engineers you see are Openreach engineers, and are entirely unrelated with the ISPs (BT Yahoo, BT Broadband, BT Connect, Plusnet) that BT own. If a BT ISP customer has a line fault, BT ISPs have to use the same BT Wholesale systems and processes as every other BT Wholesale customer, and get the same treatment.
I'm interested in what ISP you use - is it consumer or a business account (Business generally are uncapped). Still, 250Gb is excessive even for a small business. What the hell do you use that much bandwidth for - you'd be better off with a LES10 or similar circuit if your legitimate needs are that high :o - That is higher than a 1Mb max'd out line 24/7
I reckon BT Total Broadband option 3
Nah, not unlimited.
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And the reason no consumer ISP will do true unlimited bandwidth is costs - a max'd out 8Mbit line costs around £1500 per month in Central costs alone. This does not include port costs (£6-£8 per month). Then there are transit costs. So a max'd out 8Mb line is approaching £2k per month. So losing the ISP £1950 per month.
I think what they rely upon are the following
1) people who make little use subsidise the big users.
2) people who do make a big use do not do it every month, so may cost 10 one month and 50 the next
That said BT seem to be very tolerant
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AOL has always sucked, i know BT uncapped is expensive, but because they own the line and hardware they problem solve quicker than most ISP's. And i also download about 200 gig's of movie's etc evey month, and to do that you need an unthrottled and uncapped service. AOL has neither, even if they claim otherwise.
Hmnn... now that i think about it, BT does throttle SOME p2p services, but you can work round it with proxys and random ports.
No, has to be run as seperate entities for regulatory reasons.
Also, last persion I know who downloaded that much on BT consumer ISP ended up with a £100 bill....
Beg to differ mate, BT have engineers in all citys and most towns, so they DO respond to problems faster than say Pipex or tiscali ;)
As for the bandwidth question? well i pay 50 quid a month for an uncapped service, UNCAPPED, so i don't know what you mean by 'consumer ISP' , for me? well it was nearer 250gig's last month (I wanted to catch up on 'Lost') I suppose it depends on what you use you're connection for.
Sorry, you are incorrect. BT do not have mobile ISP engineers. The engineers you see are Openreach engineers, and are entirely unrelated with the ISPs (BT Yahoo, BT Broadband, BT Connect, Plusnet) that BT own. If a BT ISP customer has a line fault, BT ISPs have to use the same BT Wholesale systems and processes as every other BT Wholesale customer, and get the same treatment.
I'm interested in what ISP you use - is it consumer or a business account (Business generally are uncapped). Still, 250Gb is excessive even for a small business. What the hell do you use that much bandwidth for - you'd be better off with a LES10 or similar circuit if your legitimate needs are that high :o - That is higher than a 1Mb max'd out line 24/7
My ISP is BT , i get a true 970kb/s download speed, which gives me 60megs/minute and about 3.6 gigs/hr, which at full speed would be about 86 gigs/day.
Now, sky anytime on PC takes up a LITTLE bit of my width, but most is taken up with usenet binaries. All un-copyrighted of course.
So, a 1meg maxed out line as you mentioned, would give a true download speed of about 85-90 kb/s, i have much more. ;)
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AOL has always sucked, i know BT uncapped is expensive, but because they own the line and hardware they problem solve quicker than most ISP's. And i also download about 200 gig's of movie's etc evey month, and to do that you need an unthrottled and uncapped service. AOL has neither, even if they claim otherwise.
Hmnn... now that i think about it, BT does throttle SOME p2p services, but you can work round it with proxys and random ports.
No, has to be run as seperate entities for regulatory reasons.
Also, last persion I know who downloaded that much on BT consumer ISP ended up with a £100 bill....
Beg to differ mate, BT have engineers in all citys and most towns, so they DO respond to problems faster than say Pipex or tiscali ;)
As for the bandwidth question? well i pay 50 quid a month for an uncapped service, UNCAPPED, so i don't know what you mean by 'consumer ISP' , for me? well it was nearer 250gig's last month (I wanted to catch up on 'Lost') I suppose it depends on what you use you're connection for.
Sorry, you are incorrect. BT do not have mobile ISP engineers. The engineers you see are Openreach engineers, and are entirely unrelated with the ISPs (BT Yahoo, BT Broadband, BT Connect, Plusnet) that BT own. If a BT ISP customer has a line fault, BT ISPs have to use the same BT Wholesale systems and processes as every other BT Wholesale customer, and get the same treatment.
I'm interested in what ISP you use - is it consumer or a business account (Business generally are uncapped). Still, 250Gb is excessive even for a small business. What the hell do you use that much bandwidth for - you'd be better off with a LES10 or similar circuit if your legitimate needs are that high :o - That is higher than a 1Mb max'd out line 24/7
I reckon BT Total Broadband option 3
Nah, not unlimited.
Used to be 40GB a month but was redesignated.
I use rarely under 10GB but rarely over 40GB.
I think they just take the risk on usage. Everyone though says to avoid bargain bucket ISPs
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And the reason no consumer ISP will do true unlimited bandwidth is costs - a max'd out 8Mbit line costs around £1500 per month in Central costs alone. This does not include port costs (£6-£8 per month). Then there are transit costs. So a max'd out 8Mb line is approaching £2k per month. So losing the ISP £1950 per month.
I think what they rely upon are the following
1) people who make little use subsidise the big users.
2) people who do make a big use do not do it every month, so may cost 10 one month and 50 the next
That said BT seem to be very tolerant
Yup, thats what they rely on - though remember, before anything else, port costs £6 - £8 before anything else. Then Central costs (a 622 central is around £1m per year). Transit costs (onward onto net), infrastructure (mail, dns, radius, news, proxies), overheads (electric, cooling, staff, premises), and profit all have to be made.
It takes an awful lot of light users to pay for a big p2p user.
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AOL has always sucked, i know BT uncapped is expensive, but because they own the line and hardware they problem solve quicker than most ISP's. And i also download about 200 gig's of movie's etc evey month, and to do that you need an unthrottled and uncapped service. AOL has neither, even if they claim otherwise.
Hmnn... now that i think about it, BT does throttle SOME p2p services, but you can work round it with proxys and random ports.
No, has to be run as seperate entities for regulatory reasons.
Also, last persion I know who downloaded that much on BT consumer ISP ended up with a £100 bill....
Beg to differ mate, BT have engineers in all citys and most towns, so they DO respond to problems faster than say Pipex or tiscali ;)
As for the bandwidth question? well i pay 50 quid a month for an uncapped service, UNCAPPED, so i don't know what you mean by 'consumer ISP' , for me? well it was nearer 250gig's last month (I wanted to catch up on 'Lost') I suppose it depends on what you use you're connection for.
Sorry, you are incorrect. BT do not have mobile ISP engineers. The engineers you see are Openreach engineers, and are entirely unrelated with the ISPs (BT Yahoo, BT Broadband, BT Connect, Plusnet) that BT own. If a BT ISP customer has a line fault, BT ISPs have to use the same BT Wholesale systems and processes as every other BT Wholesale customer, and get the same treatment.
I'm interested in what ISP you use - is it consumer or a business account (Business generally are uncapped). Still, 250Gb is excessive even for a small business. What the hell do you use that much bandwidth for - you'd be better off with a LES10 or similar circuit if your legitimate needs are that high :o - That is higher than a 1Mb max'd out line 24/7
My ISP is BT , i get a true 970kb/s download speed, which gives me 60megs/minute and about 3.6 gigs/hr, which at full speed would be about 86 gigs/day.
Now, sky anytime on PC takes up a LITTLE bit of my width, but most is taken up with usenet binaries. All un-copyrighted of course.
So, a 1meg maxed out line as you mentioned, would give a true download speed of about 85-90 kb/s, i have much more. ;)
As you are a BT customer, you won't have more than an 8Mbit line. Therefore I'm guessing you mean you get 900kb (b=bits), so around 10MB (bytes) per min. 600MB per hour.
What the hell do you download? There is a limit to the number of 'Linux distros' you can download in a month ;)
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And the reason no consumer ISP will do true unlimited bandwidth is costs - a max'd out 8Mbit line costs around £1500 per month in Central costs alone. This does not include port costs (£6-£8 per month). Then there are transit costs. So a max'd out 8Mb line is approaching £2k per month. So losing the ISP £1950 per month.
I think what they rely upon are the following
1) people who make little use subsidise the big users.
2) people who do make a big use do not do it every month, so may cost 10 one month and 50 the next
That said BT seem to be very tolerant
Yup, thats what they rely on - though remember, before anything else, port costs £6 - £8 before anything else. Then Central costs (a 622 central is around £1m per year). Transit costs (onward onto net), infrastructure (mail, dns, radius, news, proxies), overheads (electric, cooling, staff, premises), and profit all have to be made.
It takes an awful lot of light users to pay for a big p2p user.
You know you're hardware stuff mate :)
But i must say, i am NOT a p2p user, that is a way too open and WAY too slow way to get data. Binaries are faster and less CPU draining :y
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AOL has always sucked, i know BT uncapped is expensive, but because they own the line and hardware they problem solve quicker than most ISP's. And i also download about 200 gig's of movie's etc evey month, and to do that you need an unthrottled and uncapped service. AOL has neither, even if they claim otherwise.
Hmnn... now that i think about it, BT does throttle SOME p2p services, but you can work round it with proxys and random ports.
No, has to be run as seperate entities for regulatory reasons.
Also, last persion I know who downloaded that much on BT consumer ISP ended up with a £100 bill....
Beg to differ mate, BT have engineers in all citys and most towns, so they DO respond to problems faster than say Pipex or tiscali ;)
As for the bandwidth question? well i pay 50 quid a month for an uncapped service, UNCAPPED, so i don't know what you mean by 'consumer ISP' , for me? well it was nearer 250gig's last month (I wanted to catch up on 'Lost') I suppose it depends on what you use you're connection for.
Sorry, you are incorrect. BT do not have mobile ISP engineers. The engineers you see are Openreach engineers, and are entirely unrelated with the ISPs (BT Yahoo, BT Broadband, BT Connect, Plusnet) that BT own. If a BT ISP customer has a line fault, BT ISPs have to use the same BT Wholesale systems and processes as every other BT Wholesale customer, and get the same treatment.
I'm interested in what ISP you use - is it consumer or a business account (Business generally are uncapped). Still, 250Gb is excessive even for a small business. What the hell do you use that much bandwidth for - you'd be better off with a LES10 or similar circuit if your legitimate needs are that high :o - That is higher than a 1Mb max'd out line 24/7
My ISP is BT , i get a true 970kb/s download speed, which gives me 60megs/minute and about 3.6 gigs/hr, which at full speed would be about 86 gigs/day.
Now, sky anytime on PC takes up a LITTLE bit of my width, but most is taken up with usenet binaries. All un-copyrighted of course.
So, a 1meg maxed out line as you mentioned, would give a true download speed of about 85-90 kb/s, i have much more. ;)
As you are a BT customer, you won't have more than an 8Mbit line. Therefore I'm guessing you mean you get 900kb (b=bits), so around 10MB (bytes) per min. 600MB per hour.
What the hell do you download? There is a limit to the number of 'Linux distros' you can download in a month ;)
Dude, i can download a 4.5 gigabyte DVD in just over an hour, so i have no idea where you get this 600mb thing from. And yes i do have a 8meg line.
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AOL has always sucked, i know BT uncapped is expensive, but because they own the line and hardware they problem solve quicker than most ISP's. And i also download about 200 gig's of movie's etc evey month, and to do that you need an unthrottled and uncapped service. AOL has neither, even if they claim otherwise.
Hmnn... now that i think about it, BT does throttle SOME p2p services, but you can work round it with proxys and random ports.
No, has to be run as seperate entities for regulatory reasons.
Also, last persion I know who downloaded that much on BT consumer ISP ended up with a £100 bill....
Beg to differ mate, BT have engineers in all citys and most towns, so they DO respond to problems faster than say Pipex or tiscali ;)
As for the bandwidth question? well i pay 50 quid a month for an uncapped service, UNCAPPED, so i don't know what you mean by 'consumer ISP' , for me? well it was nearer 250gig's last month (I wanted to catch up on 'Lost') I suppose it depends on what you use you're connection for.
Sorry, you are incorrect. BT do not have mobile ISP engineers. The engineers you see are Openreach engineers, and are entirely unrelated with the ISPs (BT Yahoo, BT Broadband, BT Connect, Plusnet) that BT own. If a BT ISP customer has a line fault, BT ISPs have to use the same BT Wholesale systems and processes as every other BT Wholesale customer, and get the same treatment.
I'm interested in what ISP you use - is it consumer or a business account (Business generally are uncapped). Still, 250Gb is excessive even for a small business. What the hell do you use that much bandwidth for - you'd be better off with a LES10 or similar circuit if your legitimate needs are that high :o - That is higher than a 1Mb max'd out line 24/7
My ISP is BT , i get a true 970kb/s download speed, which gives me 60megs/minute and about 3.6 gigs/hr, which at full speed would be about 86 gigs/day.
Now, sky anytime on PC takes up a LITTLE bit of my width, but most is taken up with usenet binaries. All un-copyrighted of course.
So, a 1meg maxed out line as you mentioned, would give a true download speed of about 85-90 kb/s, i have much more. ;)
As you are a BT customer, you won't have more than an 8Mbit line. Therefore I'm guessing you mean you get 900kb (b=bits), so around 10MB (bytes) per min. 600MB per hour.
What the hell do you download? There is a limit to the number of 'Linux distros' you can download in a month ;)
Dude, i can download a 4.5 gigabyte DVD in just over an hour, so i have no idea where you get this 600mb thing from. And yes i do have a 8meg line.
Assuming its a copyright free DVD, and assuming you live in a telephone exchange, your best throughput will be a shade over 7000kb/s (bits). So line throughput, shade under 700kB/s (bytes). Add in the IP, TCP, and NNTP protocol overheads, I'd say (without a calculator to work it out), somewhere in the region of 500 - 600kB/s (NNTP isn't hugely efficient, being designed for text). So I'd guess just under 2GB per hour theoretical maximum.
That is assuming 100% throughput capability in the rest of the system - Centrals (likely to be fairly heavily contended), exchange backhaul (likely to be medium/heavy contented), ISP infrastructure (light/medium contention), and assuming you're using a commercial nntp server, transit (medium contention).
The 600MB came from you say 900kb/s - which cannot be 900kB/s from 8Mb line, so assumed you were getting around around 1Mb throughput.
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AOL has always sucked, i know BT uncapped is expensive, but because they own the line and hardware they problem solve quicker than most ISP's. And i also download about 200 gig's of movie's etc evey month, and to do that you need an unthrottled and uncapped service. AOL has neither, even if they claim otherwise.
Hmnn... now that i think about it, BT does throttle SOME p2p services, but you can work round it with proxys and random ports.
No, has to be run as seperate entities for regulatory reasons.
Also, last persion I know who downloaded that much on BT consumer ISP ended up with a £100 bill....
Beg to differ mate, BT have engineers in all citys and most towns, so they DO respond to problems faster than say Pipex or tiscali ;)
As for the bandwidth question? well i pay 50 quid a month for an uncapped service, UNCAPPED, so i don't know what you mean by 'consumer ISP' , for me? well it was nearer 250gig's last month (I wanted to catch up on 'Lost') I suppose it depends on what you use you're connection for.
Sorry, you are incorrect. BT do not have mobile ISP engineers. The engineers you see are Openreach engineers, and are entirely unrelated with the ISPs (BT Yahoo, BT Broadband, BT Connect, Plusnet) that BT own. If a BT ISP customer has a line fault, BT ISPs have to use the same BT Wholesale systems and processes as every other BT Wholesale customer, and get the same treatment.
I'm interested in what ISP you use - is it consumer or a business account (Business generally are uncapped). Still, 250Gb is excessive even for a small business. What the hell do you use that much bandwidth for - you'd be better off with a LES10 or similar circuit if your legitimate needs are that high :o - That is higher than a 1Mb max'd out line 24/7
My ISP is BT , i get a true 970kb/s download speed, which gives me 60megs/minute and about 3.6 gigs/hr, which at full speed would be about 86 gigs/day.
Now, sky anytime on PC takes up a LITTLE bit of my width, but most is taken up with usenet binaries. All un-copyrighted of course.
So, a 1meg maxed out line as you mentioned, would give a true download speed of about 85-90 kb/s, i have much more. ;)
As you are a BT customer, you won't have more than an 8Mbit line. Therefore I'm guessing you mean you get 900kb (b=bits), so around 10MB (bytes) per min. 600MB per hour.
What the hell do you download? There is a limit to the number of 'Linux distros' you can download in a month ;)
Dude, i can download a 4.5 gigabyte DVD in just over an hour, so i have no idea where you get this 600mb thing from. And yes i do have a 8meg line.
Assuming its a copyright free DVD, and assuming you live in a telephone exchange, your best throughput will be a shade over 7000kb/s (bits). So line throughput, shade under 700kB/s (bytes). Add in the IP, TCP, and NNTP protocol overheads, I'd say (without a calculator to work it out), somewhere in the region of 500 - 600kB/s (NNTP isn't hugely efficient, being designed for text). So I'd guess just under 2GB per hour theoretical maximum.
That is assuming 100% throughput capability in the rest of the system - Centrals (likely to be fairly heavily contended), exchange backhaul (likely to be medium/heavy contented), ISP infrastructure (light/medium contention), and assuming you're using a commercial nntp server, transit (medium contention).
The 600MB came from you say 900kb/s - which cannot be 900kB/s from 8Mb line, so assumed you were getting around around 1Mb throughput.
I almost DO live in an exchange, very close ;)
Are you familiar with binaries? 0's and 1's? very quick way to send data ;)
Having said that, even downloading from such sites as rapidshare i get 850kb/s so WAY above you're theoretical max ;D
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I almost DO live in an exchange, very close ;)
Are you familiar with binaries? 0's and 1's? very quick way to send data ;)
Having said that, even downloading from such sites as rapidshare i get 850kb/s so WAY above you're theoretical max ;D
The implementation of MaxDSL puts a theoretical maximum of just over 7000kb/s, not the 8192kb/s you'd expect. An thats if you live in the exchange. Hence much of the hassles with ISPs advertising 8Mb (now they have to clearly say 'up to 8Mb').
Be worse when 24Mb connections come....
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I almost DO live in an exchange, very close ;)
Are you familiar with binaries? 0's and 1's? very quick way to send data ;)
Having said that, even downloading from such sites as rapidshare i get 850kb/s so WAY above you're theoretical max ;D
The implementation of MaxDSL puts a theoretical maximum of just over 7000kb/s, not the 8192kb/s you'd expect. An thats if you live in the exchange. Hence much of the hassles with ISPs advertising 8Mb (now they have to clearly say 'up to 8Mb').
Be worse when 24Mb connections come....
Agreed :) truce then my Omega knowing friend?? :-/
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I almost DO live in an exchange, very close ;)
Are you familiar with binaries? 0's and 1's? very quick way to send data ;)
Having said that, even downloading from such sites as rapidshare i get 850kb/s so WAY above you're theoretical max ;D
The implementation of MaxDSL puts a theoretical maximum of just over 7000kb/s, not the 8192kb/s you'd expect. An thats if you live in the exchange. Hence much of the hassles with ISPs advertising 8Mb (now they have to clearly say 'up to 8Mb').
Be worse when 24Mb connections come....
Agreed :) truce then my Omega knowing friend?? :-/
No need for truce? We haven't fallen out or argued have we? We've just discussed the technicalities of DSL :) :y - something that I have to understand very well ;)
Still no idea what you can legally use all that bandwidth for :-X
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I am with Plusnet, not far from my exchange.
(http://www.speedtest.net/result/259014263.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)
I still have have the old Premier style account.
Been on it from the satrt.
I can download, what I want, as much as I want whenever I want it.
Just recently with the higher bandwidth speeds they have applied a fair usage policy. I am capped from 4 pm untill midnight (dunno the limit)
I have had speeds upto 7546 KB/s they vary dependend on holidays etc, will speed back up soon as people go to bed.
I dont really down load at all these days, but when I do its the usual windows install/updates etc.
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I almost DO live in an exchange, very close ;)
Are you familiar with binaries? 0's and 1's? very quick way to send data ;)
Having said that, even downloading from such sites as rapidshare i get 850kb/s so WAY above you're theoretical max ;D
The implementation of MaxDSL puts a theoretical maximum of just over 7000kb/s, not the 8192kb/s you'd expect. An thats if you live in the exchange. Hence much of the hassles with ISPs advertising 8Mb (now they have to clearly say 'up to 8Mb').
Be worse when 24Mb connections come....
Agreed :) truce then my Omega knowing friend?? :-/
No need for truce? We haven't fallen out or argued have we? We've just discussed the technicalities of DSL :) :y - something that I have to understand very well ;)
Still no idea what you can legally use all that bandwidth for :-X
Yes, i suppose we were having a discussion about DSL or xDSL, as to the bandwidth issue, legally Sky anytime can suck up 100gigs/month easy if you want it. Anything d/l on usenet. i make SURE is copyright free...all 200gigs of it. I'm a law abiding citizen.
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I almost DO live in an exchange, very close ;)
Are you familiar with binaries? 0's and 1's? very quick way to send data ;)
Having said that, even downloading from such sites as rapidshare i get 850kb/s so WAY above you're theoretical max ;D
The implementation of MaxDSL puts a theoretical maximum of just over 7000kb/s, not the 8192kb/s you'd expect. An thats if you live in the exchange. Hence much of the hassles with ISPs advertising 8Mb (now they have to clearly say 'up to 8Mb').
Be worse when 24Mb connections come....
Agreed :) truce then my Omega knowing friend?? :-/
No need for truce? We haven't fallen out or argued have we? We've just discussed the technicalities of DSL :) :y - something that I have to understand very well ;)
Still no idea what you can legally use all that bandwidth for :-X
Yes, i suppose we were having a discussion about DSL or xDSL, as to the bandwidth issue, legally Sky anytime can suck up 100gigs/month easy if you want it. Anything d/l on usenet. i make SURE is copyright free...all 200gigs of it. I'm a law abiding citizen.
I'm maxing my 24meg connection a fair bit at times... Runs at 17.5meg tho given the distance from the exchange (plus have just over 1meg upload)
Running a webserver, mailserver, portage rsync mirror, and distfiles mirror. I do have an internal proxy setup though to help someway to limiting bandwidth usage, but its mainly as a cache repository for the distfile mirror.
I have 4 machines internally which use the rsync and distfile mirror, so no real affect on bandwidth, but I also have about 6 pals accessing it for when they do updates, and thats when it gets interesting.
Also use p2p for seeding various linux distro cd's (mainly gentoo, some ubuntu), and getting movies and anime which is in the public domain.
Been at it now for around 8 months, and not had 1 bad word from the ISP, or any other issues for that matter!
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I almost DO live in an exchange, very close ;)
Are you familiar with binaries? 0's and 1's? very quick way to send data ;)
Having said that, even downloading from such sites as rapidshare i get 850kb/s so WAY above you're theoretical max ;D
The implementation of MaxDSL puts a theoretical maximum of just over 7000kb/s, not the 8192kb/s you'd expect. An thats if you live in the exchange. Hence much of the hassles with ISPs advertising 8Mb (now they have to clearly say 'up to 8Mb').
Be worse when 24Mb connections come....
Agreed :) truce then my Omega knowing friend?? :-/
No need for truce? We haven't fallen out or argued have we? We've just discussed the technicalities of DSL :) :y - something that I have to understand very well ;)
Still no idea what you can legally use all that bandwidth for :-X
Yes, i suppose we were having a discussion about DSL or xDSL, as to the bandwidth issue, legally Sky anytime can suck up 100gigs/month easy if you want it. Anything d/l on usenet. i make SURE is copyright free...all 200gigs of it. I'm a law abiding citizen.
I'm maxing my 24meg connection a fair bit at times... Runs at 17.5meg tho given the distance from the exchange (plus have just over 1meg upload)
Running a webserver, mailserver, portage rsync mirror, and distfiles mirror. I do have an internal proxy setup though to help someway to limiting bandwidth usage, but its mainly as a cache repository for the distfile mirror.
I have 4 machines internally which use the rsync and distfile mirror, so no real affect on bandwidth, but I also have about 6 pals accessing it for when they do updates, and thats when it gets interesting.
Also use p2p for seeding various linux distro cd's (mainly gentoo, some ubuntu), and getting movies and anime which is in the public domain.
Been at it now for around 8 months, and not had 1 bad word from the ISP, or any other issues for that matter!
What is your ISP mate? 24mb is UK top whack.. >:(
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What is your ISP mate? 24mb is UK top whack.. >:(
http://www.bethere.co.uk
Quite lucky our exchange is enabled for them really :)
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I use a fair whack with games, and also downloading TV, I tend to download the programmes as that way they have no BBC3 shite logo on them.
All legally as BT Vision is IPTV and has BBC Iplayer built in.
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I almost DO live in an exchange, very close ;)
Are you familiar with binaries? 0's and 1's? very quick way to send data ;)
Having said that, even downloading from such sites as rapidshare i get 850kb/s so WAY above you're theoretical max ;D
The implementation of MaxDSL puts a theoretical maximum of just over 7000kb/s, not the 8192kb/s you'd expect. An thats if you live in the exchange. Hence much of the hassles with ISPs advertising 8Mb (now they have to clearly say 'up to 8Mb').
Be worse when 24Mb connections come....
Agreed :) truce then my Omega knowing friend?? :-/
No need for truce? We haven't fallen out or argued have we? We've just discussed the technicalities of DSL :) :y - something that I have to understand very well ;)
Still no idea what you can legally use all that bandwidth for :-X
I use tiscali....8M....well 1/2 my network does.......the other 1/2....ive no idea ;D ........but its only 2M :(
Its not my fault someone living close to me has a totally unsecured wireless network ::)
If i knew who it was......id have a word in their shell like.....but until i find out who......one of my pc's connected to their router is on permanent download......yes i use p2p..... ::)
Ive even been playing with their router......changed the admin password so they carnt kick me off ;D , unless they turn it off. Ive even disabled the router activity leds to try to give them a clue somebody is playing about with it........but it seems to be falling on deaf ears........
Tho on the upside i have secured their network a tad......ive turned on the firewall on the router......but have enabled a couple of ports i need to use ;D
They have 2 pc's connected to it.....but both have passwords.......which i could possibly crack.....but carnt be bothered.......so carnt leave em a message (ie change their background with a suitable message)
However said that......i was using my isp for downloading........tho not all the time....maybe a week at time/month......and so far never had a warning email about how much i was downloading......think its a case of not taking the 'mick' :y
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I am with Plusnet, not far from my exchange.
(http://www.speedtest.net/result/259014263.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)
I still have have the old Premier style account.
Been on it from the satrt.
I can download, what I want, as much as I want whenever I want it.
Just recently with the higher bandwidth speeds they have applied a fair usage policy. I am capped from 4 pm untill midnight (dunno the limit)
I have had speeds upto 7546 KB/s they vary dependend on holidays etc, will speed back up soon as people go to bed.
I dont really down load at all these days, but when I do its the usual windows install/updates etc.
To get that sort of upload, you must be on one of their LLU products, we were discussing BT Wholesale products.
Plusnet have had soft caps on all their products except PAYG for about 4yrs - under different names, but always been there. Also the first of the big ISPs to aggressively implement quite harsh traffic shaping.
Saying that, as a ISP, Plusnet not too bad, but don't use their mail or web services (they will lose the data ;D), and their traffic shaping means you can't use anyone elses VoIP :(
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I use a fair whack with games, and also downloading TV, I tend to download the programmes as that way they have no BBC3 naffe logo on them.
All legally as BT Vision is IPTV and has BBC Iplayer built in.
Oh yes it is. BBC pay royalities to be able to distribute a time limited version.
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I use a fair whack with games, and also downloading TV, I tend to download the programmes as that way they have no BBC3 naffe logo on them.
All legally as BT Vision is IPTV and has BBC Iplayer built in.
Oh yes it is. BBC pay royalities to be able to distribute a time limited version.
The time out is quite frustrating. You have to remember to watch before it times out. I occasionally watch Horizon but forget to record it so use the IPTV instead.
I watched Doctor Who Confidential last night, this streaming hammers my connection but the bandwidth used is NOT counted towards my monthly figures.
I am going to have to put a lock on it before the children find loads of programmes for 49p.
You can see a little artifacting on the BTV streams and the sound is a bit deader, but you don't have a pink three staring at you all through the programme (I took DWC off series record and now avoid BBC3 totally - just stream them with BTV).
OK I will go as far as saying for BBC3 stuff BTV is the best method.
BBC3 itself - bright pink logo
Kontiki programmes - BBC in corner, no better than BTV
Flash stream - rubbish quality
BTV stream - qualtiy better no logos
And if you are on BT Broadband you get a box (which is also a Freeview PVR) for FREE!
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Some more here
http://www.btvision.bt.com/vision/index.htm
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Some more here
http://www.btvision.bt.com/vision/index.htm
Or just use a media center ;)
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Some more here
http://www.btvision.bt.com/vision/index.htm
Or just use a media center ;)
.. or a Television? ;)
Kevin
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Some more here
http://www.btvision.bt.com/vision/index.htm
Or just use a media center ;)
.. or a Television? ;)
Kevin
Or simply get a life, and not become a couch potato ;D
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Yep. Don't be so sad. Spend all your evenings in the garage swearing at bits of car instead. >:(
Kevin
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Some more here
http://www.btvision.bt.com/vision/index.htm
Or just use a media center ;)
.. or a Television? ;)
Kevin
I have a SONY one ;D ;D
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Some more here
http://www.btvision.bt.com/vision/index.htm
Or just use a media center ;)
.. or a Television? ;)
Kevin
I have a SONY one ;D ;D
Really? :o [size=8]Me too.[/size]
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Some more here
http://www.btvision.bt.com/vision/index.htm
Or just use a media center ;)
.. or a Television? ;)
Kevin
I have a SONY one ;D ;D
Really? :o [size=8]Me too.[/size]
Which reminds me, I really need to get the Samsung fixed again ;D - not that it bothers me, as I dont watch much telly.
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I do an online TV survey - quite often only 2 or 3 programmes are entered.
Yesterday I watched one programme on delay, one on On Demand and then watched a DVD later.
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Fixing TVs can be quite enjoyable. More so than watching them sometimes. :-/
Kevin
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Fixing TVs can be quite enjoyable. More so than watching them sometimes. :-/
Kevin
True, though not much I can do with this one, as its a suspected panel fault.