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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Kevin Wood on 14 April 2008, 23:24:33
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/7347339.stm
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he's a lucky guy .. .. just how do you roll a car when reversing it ?? :)
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Looks to have a case for declaring it a miracle ;D :y
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Shouldnt have the option of not driving again, license should just be taken off him, same sort of thing happened to my mates Ultima GTR 86year old woman drove over the front of it when it was parked on the opposite side of the road!!!!! £27000 damage
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Shouldnt have the option of not driving again, license should just be taken off him, same sort of thing happened to my mates Ultima GTR 86year old woman drove over the front of it when it was parked on the opposite side of the road!!!!! £27000 damage
Whilst I don't particularly dissagree, my guess is you are under 25.
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Shouldnt have the option of not driving again, license should just be taken off him, same sort of thing happened to my mates Ultima GTR 86year old woman drove over the front of it when it was parked on the opposite side of the road!!!!! £27000 damage
Whilst I don't particularly dissagree, my guess is you are under 25.
No not at all why?
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Shouldnt have the option of not driving again, license should just be taken off him, same sort of thing happened to my mates Ultima GTR 86year old woman drove over the front of it when it was parked on the opposite side of the road!!!!! £27000 damage
One assumes that you have never, ever made a single mistake in your long and emminent life ???
And that you will never, ever make one before you are 76 ??
And that the same penalty will be applied to EVERY driver that EVER makes a single mistake ??
(would clear the roads somewhat methinks !!! :) )
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Shouldnt have the option of not driving again, license should just be taken off him, same sort of thing happened to my mates Ultima GTR 86year old woman drove over the front of it when it was parked on the opposite side of the road!!!!! £27000 damage
One assumes that you have never, ever made a single mistake in your long and emminent life ???
And that you will never, ever make one before you are 76 ??
No but one thinks when you reach the age of 60 you should have an eye test and a reactions test done to make sure you are still able to drive and continue to have them every few years from then on. I am sure you would have different opinion if that was a child he ran over because he couldnt see.
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my dad still drives at 77, he was a long distance driver for yrs, admitidly hes not as young as he used to be or his reactions are not the same but he hasnt had an accident in yrs.
richie
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my dad still drives at 77, he was a long distance driver for yrs, admitidly hes not as young as he used to be or his reactions are not the same but he hasnt had an accident in yrs.
richie
So is that acceptable then that someones reactions are not the same as they where and they are still allowed to drive? Am sorry but if you do not have the reactions or strength to hit the brake pedal hard enough or fast enough if someone walks out in front of you then you shouldnt be on the road, end of story.
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Shouldnt have the option of not driving again, license should just be taken off him, same sort of thing happened to my mates Ultima GTR 86year old woman drove over the front of it when it was parked on the opposite side of the road!!!!! £27000 damage
One assumes that you have never, ever made a single mistake in your long and emminent life ???
And that you will never, ever make one before you are 76 ??
No but one thinks when you reach the age of 60 you should have an eye test and a reactions test done to make sure you are still able to drive and continue to have them every few years from then on. I am sure you would have different opinion if that was a child he ran over because he couldnt see.
Only a young person, imho, would have a generalistic opinion. There are drivers of 50 who should not be on the road and drivers of 70 who are more that capable, in my experience.
if you are wondering, I have to prove my fitness every 5 years for my HGV and PSV or whatever they call them now. And they do take notice cos I lost them for some years cos of the Big C, got em back now though. :)
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Shouldnt have the option of not driving again, license should just be taken off him, same sort of thing happened to my mates Ultima GTR 86year old woman drove over the front of it when it was parked on the opposite side of the road!!!!! £27000 damage
One assumes that you have never, ever made a single mistake in your long and emminent life ???
And that you will never, ever make one before you are 76 ??
No but one thinks when you reach the age of 60 you should have an eye test and a reactions test done to make sure you are still able to drive and continue to have them every few years from then on. I am sure you would have different opinion if that was a child he ran over because he couldnt see.
You, and I, and everyone else, know absolutley NOTHING about the cause of this accident, which incidentaly was on private property anyway. The fact the guy was old, and doesn't know what happened is instantly a reason for the cause to be his "age" or "inability".
Did the throttle stick?? Did steering break?? There are thousands of possibilities.
He has proved to be a better driver than most over many years.. I can think of many many chav prats that do far worse.. but where is the call for them to never hold a license again ???
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A word to the wise, of all years and length of forum membership.
Stick to FACTS and not guesses, assumptions or generalisations please....
Someone else will no doubt come up with a counter point and make you look like a tw*t....
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my dad still drives at 77, he was a long distance driver for yrs, admitidly hes not as young as he used to be or his reactions are not the same but he hasnt had an accident in yrs.
richie
So is that acceptable then that someones reactions are not the same as they where and they are still allowed to drive? Am sorry but if you do not have the reactions or strength to hit the brake pedal hard enough or fast enough if someone walks out in front of you then you shouldnt be on the road, end of story.
I think Richie was saying that his Dad's reactions weren't as fast as they once were NOT that they weren't fast enough. My Dad is a little younger at 70 & I'm quite happy that he's a safe driver. My Mum however is 'only' 69 & I'm not quite so happy ..... ::)
Old doesn't need to be unsafe. The young dickhead in the Alfa on my way to work this afternoon was proof of that. If I'd only been in my Omega ....... ::) :y
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Shouldnt have the option of not driving again, license should just be taken off him, same sort of thing happened to my mates Ultima GTR 86year old woman drove over the front of it when it was parked on the opposite side of the road!!!!! £27000 damage
One assumes that you have never, ever made a single mistake in your long and emminent life ???
And that you will never, ever make one before you are 76 ??
No but one thinks when you reach the age of 60 you should have an eye test and a reactions test done to make sure you are still able to drive and continue to have them every few years from then on. I am sure you would have different opinion if that was a child he ran over because he couldnt see.
You, and I, and everyone else, know absolutley NOTHING about the cause of this accident, which incidentaly was on private property anyway. The fact the guy was old, and doesn't know what happened is instantly a reason for the cause to be his "age" or "inability".
Did the throttle stick?? Did steering break?? There are thousands of possibilities.
He has proved to be a better driver than most over many years.. I can think of many many chav prats that do far worse.. but where is the call for them to never hold a license again ???
I agree totally that there are a lot of young idiots on the road that shouldnt be there. I still say there should be more in the way of tests for eye sight after a certain age
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Shouldnt have the option of not driving again, license should just be taken off him, same sort of thing happened to my mates Ultima GTR 86year old woman drove over the front of it when it was parked on the opposite side of the road!!!!! £27000 damage
One assumes that you have never, ever made a single mistake in your long and emminent life ???
And that you will never, ever make one before you are 76 ??
No but one thinks when you reach the age of 60 you should have an eye test and a reactions test done to make sure you are still able to drive and continue to have them every few years from then on. I am sure you would have different opinion if that was a child he ran over because he couldnt see.
You, and I, and everyone else, know absolutley NOTHING about the cause of this accident, which incidentaly was on private property anyway. The fact the guy was old, and doesn't know what happened is instantly a reason for the cause to be his "age" or "inability".
Did the throttle stick?? Did steering break?? There are thousands of possibilities.
He has proved to be a better driver than most over many years.. I can think of many many chav prats that do far worse.. but where is the call for them to never hold a license again ???
I agree totally that there are a lot of young idiots on the road that shouldnt be there. I still say there should be more in the way of tests for eye sight after a certain age
is that relevant to this thread, as originally posted? Any mention of a fault with eyes??
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A word to the wise, of all years and length of forum membership.
Stick to FACTS and not guesses, assumptions or generalisations please....
Someone else will no doubt come up with a counter point and make you look like a tw*t....
Not at all you and everyone on this forum know that if you all had to put your mortgage on the cause of accident, you know what you would say.
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A word to the wise, of all years and length of forum membership.
Stick to FACTS and not guesses, assumptions or generalisations please....
Someone else will no doubt come up with a counter point and make you look like a tw*t....
Bit like being in court. :) :) :)
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A word to the wise, of all years and length of forum membership.
Stick to FACTS and not guesses, assumptions or generalisations please....
Someone else will no doubt come up with a counter point and make you look like a tw*t....
Not at all you and everyone on this forum know that if you all had to put your mortgage on the cause of accident, you know what you would say.
.... and there you fall.....
I am a qualified crash investigator, university trained, and deemed as an Expert Witness in each and every Court in the land....
Wanna see my CV??
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A word to the wise, of all years and length of forum membership.
Stick to FACTS and not guesses, assumptions or generalisations please....
Someone else will no doubt come up with a counter point and make you look like a tw*t....
Not at all you and everyone on this forum know that if you all had to put your mortgage on the cause of accident, you know what you would say.
.... and there you fall.....
I am a qualified crash investigator, university trained, and deemed as an Expert Witness in each and every Court in the land....
Wanna see my CV??
Dont need to see anything you tell me then from reading the story and going on what we have all seen what would you say the reason of accident was?
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A word to the wise, of all years and length of forum membership.
Stick to FACTS and not guesses, assumptions or generalisations please....
Someone else will no doubt come up with a counter point and make you look like a tw*t....
Not at all you and everyone on this forum know that if you all had to put your mortgage on the cause of accident, you know what you would say.
.... and there you fall.....
I am a qualified crash investigator, university trained, and deemed as an Expert Witness in each and every Court in the land....
Wanna see my CV??
Dont need to see anything you tell me then from reading the story and going on what we have all seen what would you say the reason of accident was?
I would not dare to hazard a guess at the distilled reporting of the media....
The crash investigators report from scene examination is, however, something I would welcome.
Point being made is, do not jump onto a bandwaggon just because it suits you. look at FACTS and use experience to determine a TRUE cause, not what sells newspapers. :y
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A word to the wise, of all years and length of forum membership.
Stick to FACTS and not guesses, assumptions or generalisations please....
Someone else will no doubt come up with a counter point and make you look like a tw*t....
Not at all you and everyone on this forum know that if you all had to put your mortgage on the cause of accident, you know what you would say.
.... and there you fall.....
I am a qualified crash investigator, university trained, and deemed as an Expert Witness in each and every Court in the land....
Wanna see my CV??
Dont need to see anything you tell me then from reading the story and going on what we have all seen what would you say the reason of accident was?
I would not dare to hazard a guess at the distilled reporting of the media....
The crash investigators report from scene examination is, however, something I would welcome.
Point being made is, do not jump onto a bandwaggon just because it suits you. look at FACTS and use experience to determine a TRUE cause, not what sells newspapers. :y
Ok then will have a gentlemans bet with you, you get the report and i bet i am right
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A word to the wise, of all years and length of forum membership.
Stick to FACTS and not guesses, assumptions or generalisations please....
Someone else will no doubt come up with a counter point and make you look like a tw*t....
Not at all you and everyone on this forum know that if you all had to put your mortgage on the cause of accident, you know what you would say.
What makes you say that? a sticky throttle is just a likely, without the facts how can we say, I was not there so can not offer any opinion as to how this might have happened, :)
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A word to the wise, of all years and length of forum membership.
Stick to FACTS and not guesses, assumptions or generalisations please....
Someone else will no doubt come up with a counter point and make you look like a tw*t....
Not at all you and everyone on this forum know that if you all had to put your mortgage on the cause of accident, you know what you would say.
.... and there you fall.....
I am a qualified crash investigator, university trained, and deemed as an Expert Witness in each and every Court in the land....
Wanna see my CV??
Dont need to see anything you tell me then from reading the story and going on what we have all seen what would you say the reason of accident was?
I would not dare to hazard a guess at the distilled reporting of the media....
The crash investigators report from scene examination is, however, something I would welcome.
Point being made is, do not jump onto a bandwaggon just because it suits you. look at FACTS and use experience to determine a TRUE cause, not what sells newspapers. :y
Ok then will have a gentlemans bet with you, you get the report and i bet i am right
How about YOU get the report and YOU prove or justify your guesses/assumptions?? :D
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A word to the wise, of all years and length of forum membership.
Stick to FACTS and not guesses, assumptions or generalisations please....
Someone else will no doubt come up with a counter point and make you look like a tw*t....
Not at all you and everyone on this forum know that if you all had to put your mortgage on the cause of accident, you know what you would say.
.... and there you fall.....
I am a qualified crash investigator, university trained, and deemed as an Expert Witness in each and every Court in the land....
Wanna see my CV??
Dont need to see anything you tell me then from reading the story and going on what we have all seen what would you say the reason of accident was?
Do you actually and seriously believe the guy drove into 2 parked cars simply because .. in your opinion .. he didn't see them ??
The story actually says he has been driving that route for some time ... he'd KNOW that cars get parked there.
As already said .. you are guessing, wthout any facts to go on, and making your guess fit your idea that an old driver is an unsafe one.
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A word to the wise, of all years and length of forum membership.
Stick to FACTS and not guesses, assumptions or generalisations please....
Someone else will no doubt come up with a counter point and make you look like a tw*t....
Not at all you and everyone on this forum know that if you all had to put your mortgage on the cause of accident, you know what you would say.
.... and there you fall.....
I am a qualified crash investigator, university trained, and deemed as an Expert Witness in each and every Court in the land....
Wanna see my CV??
Dont need to see anything you tell me then from reading the story and going on what we have all seen what would you say the reason of accident was?
I would not dare to hazard a guess at the distilled reporting of the media....
The crash investigators report from scene examination is, however, something I would welcome.
Point being made is, do not jump onto a bandwaggon just because it suits you. look at FACTS and use experience to determine a TRUE cause, not what sells newspapers. :y
Ok then will have a gentlemans bet with you, you get the report and i bet i am right
How about YOU get the report and YOU prove or justify your guesses/assumptions?? :D
I dont need to remember your trying to prove me wrong. Anyway of to bed see you all soon ;)
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What makes you say that? a sticky throttle is just a likely, without the facts how can we say, I was not there so can not offer any opinion as to how this might have happened, :)
In 27 years of owning a car my throttle has never stuck. The closest it's come is when the return spring broke. ;) :y
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What makes you say that? a sticky throttle is just a likely, without the facts how can we say, I was not there so can not offer any opinion as to how this might have happened, :)
In 27 years of owning a car my throttle has never stuck. The closest it's come is when the return spring broke. ;) :y
Yep, happened to me in a Mini, the return spring broke, therefore full throttle on High Row in Darlington. As I was young at the time my reactions avoided a problem. (toung in cheek) ;D ;D ;D
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What makes you say that? a sticky throttle is just a likely, without the facts how can we say, I was not there so can not offer any opinion as to how this might have happened, :)
In 27 years of owning a car my throttle has never stuck. The closest it's come is when the return spring broke. ;) :y
I've had it happen twice in 40+ years. .... first one was an MGB that the earth strap between engine/chassis had failed, the whole engine was earthing down the throttle cable which got extremely hot (glowing), and very dry, and the spring could not overcome the internal friction. Second one was a Lotus Cortina that I had "played with" far too much, a piece of sealant from a "bodge" on the air intake system broke loose and jammed in the throttle butterfly.
Not saying it happened in this case .. but it CAN happen ...
:)
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What makes you say that? a sticky throttle is just a likely, without the facts how can we say, I was not there so can not offer any opinion as to how this might have happened, :)
In 27 years of owning a car my throttle has never stuck. The closest it's come is when the return spring broke. ;) :y
Yep, happened to me in a Mini, the return spring broke, therefore full throttle on High Row in Darlington. As I was young at the time my reactions avoided a problem. (toung in cheek) ;D ;D ;D
Long way from a Ford puddlejumper but had one crash scene years ago where a tipper lorry had its throttle jam wide open whils on a bypass.... Driver simply panicked when approaching a junction and ran out of brakes, not knowing what to do next. Didn't want to blow the engine 'cos the boss had just rebuilt it!
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Well, didn't mean to spark such a debate. It was just a story that caught my eye.
"I've been driving since I was 17, have a clean licence and have never even picked up so much as a parking ticket,"
I hope I can say the same if I ever manage 76 years "in the saddle".
Kevin
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Well, didn't mean to spark such a debate. It was just a story that caught my eye.
"I've been driving since I was 17, have a clean licence and have never even picked up so much as a parking ticket,"
I hope I can say the same if I ever manage 76 years "in the saddle".
Kevin
I have :( :( Got a Blue badge now and still managed to pick up a ticket, in my works car park. >:( Never paid though :)
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Well, didn't mean to spark such a debate. It was just a story that caught my eye.
"I've been driving since I was 17, have a clean licence and have never even picked up so much as a parking ticket,"
I hope I can say the same if I ever manage 76 years "in the saddle".
Kevin
I have, over the years. :( :( Got a Blue badge now and still managed to pick up a ticket, in my works car park. >:( Never paid though :)
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Well, didn't mean to spark such a debate. It was just a story that caught my eye.
"I've been driving since I was 17, have a clean licence and have never even picked up so much as a parking ticket,"
I hope I can say the same if I ever manage 76 years "in the saddle".
Kevin
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Me too also!
From the pics, looks like the aerodynamic rear of the Carrera acted like a ski slope to a front wheel drive car travelling backwards that struck it at an angle then rolled off and landed on the other one......
So thats what a Dry Blackthorne moment really is - hold on with BOTH hands! :D
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Well, didn't mean to spark such a debate. It was just a story that caught my eye.
"I've been driving since I was 17, have a clean licence and have never even picked up so much as a parking ticket,"
I hope I can say the same if I ever manage 76 years "in the saddle".
Kevin
Thing is. Being as old as he is, chances are he'll have not even taken a test.
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Well, didn't mean to spark such a debate. It was just a story that caught my eye.
"I've been driving since I was 17, have a clean licence and have never even picked up so much as a parking ticket,"
I hope I can say the same if I ever manage 76 years "in the saddle".
Kevin
I have :( :( Got a Blue badge now and still managed to pick up a ticket, in my works car park. >:( Never paid though :)
it could only happen to you Mike :D
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Well, didn't mean to spark such a debate. It was just a story that caught my eye.
"I've been driving since I was 17, have a clean licence and have never even picked up so much as a parking ticket,"
I hope I can say the same if I ever manage 76 years "in the saddle".
Kevin
Thing is. Being as old as he is, chances are he'll have not even taken a test.
Probably true .. but doesn't automatically make him a "bad driver" - in fact his experience with crap brakes/useless steering/grossly underpowered cars/ bad lights etc etc etc may well actually make him a "better" driver than many modern ones all used to "driver aids"
I have worked with many of the "old" (ancient?) drivers and most - not all I agree - have far more "common sense" and "road craft" than the idiots in their souped up roller skates.
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Didn't get clamped though. :D :D :D
Still have not got a parking place. :(
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....Probably true .. but doesn't automatically make him a "bad driver" - in fact his experience with crap brakes/useless steering/grossly underpowered cars/ bad lights etc etc etc may well actually make him a "better" driver than many modern ones all used to "driver aids".....
I didn't say he was a bad driver.
Who saw that TV programme a few months back with Jo Brand about elderly drivers? There was one old bloke who was just over 100yrs old (since died) who took 3 or 4 attempts to get his car off the drive. And when he did managed to get 3 of the 4 wheels on the pavement on the other side of the road! :-? He wouldn't voluntarily give up driving although he was a danger to himself & everyother road user. ...
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What makes you say that? a sticky throttle is just a likely, without the facts how can we say, I was not there so can not offer any opinion as to how this might have happened, :)
In 27 years of owning a car my throttle has never stuck. The closest it's come is when the return spring broke. ;) :y
Yep, happened to me in a Mini, the return spring broke, therefore full throttle on High Row in Darlington. As I was young at the time my reactions avoided a problem. (toung in cheek) ;D ;D ;D
Same here!,a friend's also had it happen on two pug 306's...
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I'm not going to involve myself in this.
Just thought i'd tell you. :D
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Well, didn't mean to spark such a debate. It was just a story that caught my eye.
"I've been driving since I was 17, have a clean licence and have never even picked up so much as a parking ticket,"
I hope I can say the same if I ever manage 76 years "in the saddle".
Kevin
Thing is. Being as old as he is, chances are he'll have not even taken a test.
Probably true .. but doesn't automatically make him a "bad driver" - in fact his experience with crap brakes/useless steering/grossly underpowered cars/ bad lights etc etc etc may well actually make him a "better" driver than many modern ones all used to "driver aids"
I have worked with many of the "old" (ancient?) drivers and most - not all I agree - have far more "common sense" and "road craft" than the idiots in their souped up roller skates.
My Grandad only took a test when he signed up to the army as a driver in the war, IIRC. A few years driving tankers across the desert, VIPs out of war zones, etc. made him a pretty good driver.
As he got older his right foot got a tad heavy, and when my nan passed away and the nagging stopped he got to be a bit of a worry. ::) I think he had the fastest Volvo 340 in Kent. 8-)
He also voluntarily gave up driving, but thankfully it wasn't an accident that brought him to his decision.
Kevin
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A man in 93 must not drive !!
There are people here over 100 , I cant estimate what happens if they
drive :P
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;D ;D ;D ;D
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A man in 93 must not drive !!
I think it depends on the person. We all age differently. When I first started flying gliders one of my instructors was 86 and he was as sharp as a razor. He wouldn't be allowed to instruct at that age now, but there were no flies on him, believe me.
Kevin
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A man in 93 must not drive !!
I think it depends on the person. We all age differently. When I first started flying gliders one of my instructors was 86 and he was as sharp as a razor. He wouldn't be allowed to instruct at that age now, but there were no flies on him, believe me.
Kevin
Kevin,
now I'm 42 even I cant beat another Cem at an age 20 ..
Your senses, muscles ,eyes all decline with age..
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Personally i believe ALL drivers should be made to sit an eyesight test every 5 years and medical every 10.
for examply, friends wife, early 30, blind as a bat and vain as well. WILL NOT wear her glasses >:( (and they are like the bottom of jam jars) she drives like a loon and has had numerous scrapes ::)
Her husband will not allow the kid in the car with her, that's how bad she is, one day she will kill someone, we have even spoken to the local police, unless they catch her there is little they can do....
It's not only old people that pose a risk, it can be anyone
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the problem is we all think we are perfect drivers...i drive for about 5 and alf hours a day during my shift delivering in an around the midlands for comet i see it all from the chav in his focus right upto mum on the school run i`ve been cut up and forced to swerve by prats who think a 7.5t can stop on a dime and ive made errors in judgement in pulling out on to islands and roads when some people think the 30 mph speed limit does not apply to them or the impatient drivers who think that me and my bigger friends are delibratley doing 40mph or 56mph don`t forget we want to get home in one peice as well i try my best to drive with caution in my car on my days off or to an from work....take a few words of advice folks"IT CAN AND WILL HAPPEN TO YOU" It aint worth it it just aint...rant over :-X