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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Richie London on 16 April 2008, 06:21:20
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well its my sons 15th today, hes been hassleing me for a laptop as his is broke beyond repair after only 2 yrs.
what happened to the days when it was a be thankful for what you got???
AND!!!!!! hes asked for a scooter for his 16th next yr :'( :'( :'(
richie
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The only way my kids will get such extravagence is to get out, get a part time job and work for such items as its to much to spend for a brithday!
When you have to work, save and buy your own things then you look after them. :y
As for scooters.....cant say I am convinced that a 16 year old has the common sense to bet loose with one :-?
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As for scooters.....cant say I am convinced that a 16 year old has the common sense to bet loose with one :-?
I suppose each kid should be taken on his/her own merit however it was a mistake to put my lad on the road at 19 yrs. He's been sadly lacking in any common sense at all. :-?
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some of this expectation can be blamed upon the media, especially when kids are younger.
Our 6 year old watches TV, normally somethign like Nick, disney or cartoon network, these channels are absolutly stacked out with adverts for expensive toys, some of the adverts pretty much tell the kids to ask for it.
Some scandanavian countries have banned the advertising of kids toys :y whilst this may be seen to be a little harsh it does relieve the presure of kids constantly asking for things that they either
A) don't need
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B) don't want but have been convinced by marketing that they need
We have spent the last 4 years saying no to my daughter on various things, there have been times when she has hated me for it, but i don't care, i don't have a bottomless pit of money.
Kids expectations get higher and higher as they get older, before long we will have kids asking for deposits of first homes as 21st birthday presents!!!
My Son had a set amount of lessons for his 17th and we bought him a car for his 18th, some would see that as being too generous but what he got was a 12 year old car that was MOT'd and roadworthy, the rest was up to him.
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My Son had a set amount of lessons for his 17th and we bought him a car for his 18th, some would see that as being too generous but what he got was a 12 year old car that was MOT'd and roadworthy, the rest was up to him.
Similar to us then. He paid for his own lessons - he was working by then. The car is a £500 M reg Astra F & we put a bit towards the scandelous cost of insurance. He has though been a classic example of why insurance costs are as they are. >:(
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My Son had a set amount of lessons for his 17th and we bought him a car for his 18th, some would see that as being too generous but what he got was a 12 year old car that was MOT'd and roadworthy, the rest was up to him.
Similar to us then. He paid for his own lessons - he was working by then. The car is a £500 M reg Astra F & we put a bit towards the scandelous cost of insurance. He has though been a classic example of why insurance costs are as they are. >:(
I would never buy my children a car......if they cant afford to buy it then they cant afford to run it because at the end of the day, the purchase cost is generally the smallest outlay.
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The only way my kids will get such extravagence is to get out, get a part time job and work for such items as its to much to spend for a brithday!
When you have to work, save and buy your own things then you look after them. :y
As for scooters.....cant say I am convinced that a 16 year old has the common sense to bet loose with one :-?
These are not too expensive
(http://www.edu.dudley.gov.uk/foundation/pbskids/images/kids_tele_po.jpg)
As to 16 year olds on mopeds which if he has any self respect would not want a "cooter", get them on a training scheme first
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Well I can say that my son get's spoilt really, but only at christmas and birthday's, but he always treats his things with care and respect so i'm happy for him to have it, if it's not at to much expense. If he need's something though he will buy it himself with paper round money.
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My Son had a set amount of lessons for his 17th and we bought him a car for his 18th, some would see that as being too generous but what he got was a 12 year old car that was MOT'd and roadworthy, the rest was up to him.
Similar to us then. He paid for his own lessons - he was working by then. The car is a £500 M reg Astra F & we put a bit towards the scandelous cost of insurance. He has though been a classic example of why insurance costs are as they are. >:(
I would never buy my children a car......if they cant afford to buy it then they cant afford to run it because at the end of the day, the purchase cost is generally the smallest outlay.
This may not work as you want, if they go into further education they will not have the money but will need the transport. More to the point will you want to run them around all the time.
My parents paid towards a bike, I took over HP when I was on holiday, pocket money paid for fuel and insurance, and I was far from the only teenager helped towards a bike, yes it was a cheap one but it was transport - oh and my parents had no car at the time.
However you do have a few methods to get them on the road cheap.
for 16
Buy a cool 50cc cheap and restore it, the sports mopeds are now out of reach.
for 17
1) Buy a learner suitable bike cheap as a restoration project about 2 years before he can ride it legally, rebuild it together
2) Buy a suitable old car (try for a tired pre 73) and rebuild it together until 17, he can help out of pocket money and paper round moeny or whatever.
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Consuming expensive things is continously pumped by the media..
And kids think that its something normal to have them..
Really they must earn and buy themselves to understand how hard to get the money..
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This may not work as you want, if they go into further education they will not have the money but will need the transport. More to the point will you want to run them around all the time.
What a load of rubbish....I went through higher ed without a car, I used, trains, buses, pushbike and walked......with pushbike and walking as the main transport.
And it was a 3 mile walk to uni.
It was a 2 mile walk everyday to secondary school.
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i wont disagree with any of the comments on here, however i do believe that there are times that kids need a 'leg up'
When we gave the car to my son the deal was that he insure it, that was as much as the purchase cost of the car, if he could not afford the insurance then i wouldn't have bought it.
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I think there's so much peer pressure on kids today from other kids and the media that they EXPECT these kind of things. Trouble is they really don't appreciate the value of money.
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i wont disagree with any of the comments on here, however i do believe that there are times that kids need a 'leg up'
When we gave the car to my son the deal was that he insure it, that was as much as the purchase cost of the car, if he could not afford the insurance then i wouldn't have bought it.
I think leg ups are part of being a parent, my daughter wants a mobile phone, she also wants a portable music player. She will get a PMP equipped phone for her birthday BUT she will pay for all calls, she wants it to keep in touch when she starts secondary school or if I will be late picking her up or if she gets a bus ect ect.
I have decided when old enough we will help the children get on the road but not the whole cost, I have already said that if my daughter needs private transport we will get her a cheap old moped and do it up.
The boys I have no idea - one is sort of trustable but the other is stupid, might end up the sensible boy having to run the silly one around.
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This may not work as you want, if they go into further education they will not have the money but will need the transport. More to the point will you want to run them around all the time.
What a load of rubbish....I went through higher ed without a car, I used, trains, buses, pushbike and walked......with pushbike and walking as the main transport.
And it was a 3 mile walk to uni.
It was a 2 mile walk everyday to secondary school.
I grew up miles from anywhere and my parents got me on the road at minimal cost.
However at my age when we were young bikes were cheaper and more popular, and many parents helped to give their children independance. The car drivers I remember got lots of help off their parents, not rich but helping to get old bangers roadworthy ect.
I think a young person who has helped to rebuild or purchase a vehicle will be careful. There is a huge difference between part purchasing transport and giving a young person a car.
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This may not work as you want, if they go into further education they will not have the money but will need the transport. More to the point will you want to run them around all the time.
What a load of rubbish....I went through higher ed without a car, I used, trains, buses, pushbike and walked......with pushbike and walking as the main transport.
And it was a 3 mile walk to uni.
It was a 2 mile walk everyday to secondary school.
Me likewise. Got around on push bike and train for longer journeys.
and I don't see why kids have to have mobile phones either. I'm not against progress but I had a hour journey back home from school which I managed without a mobi.
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......and I don't see why kids have to have mobile phones either. I'm not against progress but I had a hour journey back home from school which I managed without a mobi.
We didn't 'ave no tellies or shoes or bedclothes. We med us own fun in them days. Do you know, when I were a lad you could get a tram down into t'town, buy three new suits an' an ovvercoat, four pair o' good boots, go an' see George Formby at t'Palace Theatre, get blind drunk, 'ave some steak an' chips, bunch o' bananas an' three stone o' monkey nuts an' still 'ave change out of a farthing.
We'd lots o' things in them days they 'aven't got today - rickets, diptheria, Hitler and my, we did look well goin' to school wi' no backside in us trousers an' all us little 'eads painted purple because we 'ad ringworm.
They don't know they're born today!!! ;D ;D :y :y
Captsick Comes Home (http://www.arar93.dsl.pipex.com/mds975/Content/funnies6.html)
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......and I don't see why kids have to have mobile phones either. I'm not against progress but I had a hour journey back home from school which I managed without a mobi.
We didn't 'ave no tellies or shoes or bedclothes. We med us own fun in them days. Do you know, when I were a lad you could get a tram down into t'town, buy three new suits an' an ovvercoat, four pair o' good boots, go an' see George Formby at t'Palace Theatre, get blind drunk, 'ave some steak an' chips, bunch o' bananas an' three stone o' monkey nuts an' still 'ave change out of a farthing.
We'd lots o' things in them days they 'aven't got today - rickets, diptheria, Hitler and my, we did look well goin' to school wi' no backside in us trousers an' all us little 'eads painted purple because we 'ad ringworm.
They don't know they're born today!!! ;D ;D :y :y
Captsick Comes Home (http://www.arar93.dsl.pipex.com/mds975/Content/funnies6.html)
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;Dlmfao :y
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You ad RINGWORM ??? Us ? We couldn't afford ringworm !! No room for em anyhow, in the paper bag we lived in by the side o t'road .... aaah luxury !
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You ad RINGWORM ??? Us ? We couldn't afford ringworm !! No room for em anyhow, in the paper bag we lived in by the side o t'road .... aaah luxury !
;D ;D ;D
Bl00dy luxury!!........When I were a lad we used to live in shoe box at bottom of t'lake. We would get up 24 hours before we went t'bed and lick lake clean then father used to beat us with t'stick 'til we were black and blue. You try tellin that to kids of t'day!!
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Aye ... and all fer three 'apence ev'ry 5 year .... kids today ...........
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i love how you's all blame the "kids", when who is it that buys them the expensive stuff? if you can get something just by asking why would you want to work for it???? lol
When i was 16 all my (older) mates parents were getting them cars, bikes etc but mine wouldnt allow it. so in order to get what i wanted i got a part time job, saved up my wages and bought a spares or repair car. When i bought it i thought it would be on the road in plenty of time for me passing my test, 4 years later, a lot of sweat, blood and tears and i managed to get the car on the road and because i done most of the work myself, i got the best sence of acheivement ive ever had! Through-out the process of repairing it, i learned so many personality building things that if my parents gave into my constant winging and moaning i wouldnt of had, not to mention that i also learned how a car works and how to fix them. overall at the time i thought my parents we evil and didnt care for not giving me the same as everyone else, but now i cant thank them enough!
Moral of the
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ive just come back from shopping with my x and my kids. thank god its over. hes got his laptop, shes bought loads of crap and im a lot lighter in the pocket. >:(
richie
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Let having a car for transport ,
very hardly I get a pair of Converse all star basketball shoes..
as they were import.. :-[
And whole my life I use busses (which smell very nice) to go school..sometimes the road took more than an hour because of traffic...And in winter some days the busses dont work..And I walk 4-5 km uphill under snow..
Now I hate busses ..And never will get in again ;D
ps: metro is ok.. :y
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When i was a kid my mother used to ask what i was saving my pockect money for. and if it was an expensive item she would offer to match the amount i save pound for pound. but this only happened once.
i got my first mobile phone at 17 1/2 when i joined the royal navy.
I brought and paid for my own car and lessons. my old dears have never really brought me anything big. even now they dont give us anything big i have always had to work for what i have got.
this is how i am with my son. if he wants something he has to really want it and even then he has to contribute ( feww little jobs for me) and be good. Hes only 3 and i have just made him wait 1 month for a toy that hes been going on about for the last 2mths but he has earnt it. bless him now for the next challenge with him. mmmmmmmm havent decided what yet but im sure he will understand when hes older why i am like i am.
I would love to give him everything he wants but unfortunatly i dont seem to be able to get the tree outside to grow money. ;D ;D and it wouldnt teach him anything.
Last week he was in tears because he broke something (think it was a toy) but i told him i couldnt replace it cos i had no money too. so he promptly ran upstairs and grabbed his money box. and gave it to me to pay for a new one. he knows things cost money just has no concept of how meny pennies he needs.
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One post said their 15yr old needed "another" lappie as the old one was broken. What age did they get the first one? 12/13? Do kids that age really need that stuff @ £3/400 a go?
No offence meant but i must be older than i thought! ::)