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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: alphaomegakappa on 04 September 2012, 11:21:20
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I ask because I have a Control Indicator for Engine Electronics warning light (the one with the spanner) appearing after driving for a few miles. There is no performance reduction but the light stays on until I turn off the engine.
I've been told by the person who services the car that its to do with the service check control process and I'll need someone with a Tech 2 scanner to remedy the problem or pay GM a good many pounds. He has a scanner but it's not GM so he cant fix it :-\
Will travel to wherever you are :y
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The problem with letting a VX dealer loose on your car with tech 2,is that it seems that very few of their "technicians" have much of a clue on how to use it properly. I think the nearest OOF tech 2 for you would be MarkDTM in Nottingham. Otherwise its up to the kingdom of Fife to Hotel21. :y
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"The problem with letting a VX dealer loose on your car with tech 2,is that it seems that very few of their "technicians" have much of a clue on how to use it properly"
Yup I got that distinct impression. It seems he's only in on Wednesdays :)
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PM on its way.
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A generic ODBII reader should get the engine codes out, then post them up.
*Any* garage will have one, and they are designed for idiots to use, so a little unclear what your garage is on about TBH...
Try to get the codes (all of them), and post them up :y
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When the light comes on, will the car accelerate all the way to the redline in 2nd gear?
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I live in Newcastle dont have a tech 2 but have summit close :-X
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Thanks for all those responses. I should explain the mechanic who services the car doesnt have a garage but does have a "Snap On" code reader which doesn't read all the codes apparently due to software inconsistencies.
So in the order they appeared I'll say:
"PM on its way"
Thanks GK I've sent the email to your contact as yet no reply
"Try to get the codes (all of them), and post them up"
I think the above goes some way to explaining why I cannot get the codes but I'll try another route
"When the light comes on, will the car accelerate all the way to the redline in 2nd gear?"
Dunno but will check today and let you know
"I live in Newcastle dont have a tech 2 but have summit close"
As long as its not a "Snap On" reader Briy2, I'll come and see you. ;D
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When the light comes on, will the car accelerate all the way to the redline in 2nd gear?
Yup took it all the way up to 6000 revs so almost to the red line and then I wussed out thinking I might do damage to the gear box :-\
After which it ran perfectly for another twenty minutes or until I arrived at my destination.
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Thanks for all those responses. I should explain the mechanic who services the car doesnt have a garage but does have a "Snap On" code reader which doesn't read all the codes apparently due to software inconsistencies.
I would have thought that would have no trouble, due to the 2.2 being compliant with EOBD/OBDII. Did he try, or assume? Earlier Omegas were not EOBD/OBDII, so would need the extra modules on older Snap-Off stuff.
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Dunno tbh as he's now away on holiday, so I'll have to wait either until he gets back or Bri or someone else can help out.
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My Snap-on Solus pro will get into the main systems on any age Omega so not sure whats on with his :-\
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Taking those points onboard (as they say :-[) what I think you're saying is anyone with a code scanner should be able to read, and cancel ???, the codes on this Omega ?
If that's the case then maybe I should rephrase the question in another thread ?
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If a member is nearby, and offering a freebie code read, I'd take up that offer :y
I'd stick away from any programming or reconfiguration using any device other than genuine GM Tech2.
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Ok thanks TB.
I've never used a scanning device before so have no idea how it works or what its limits are. However I assumed that if the ICU was expecting a "service" to be performed then maybe the scanner could override that particular code and prevent the control indicator from lighting up ? Is that how it works or am I a long way off ?
BTW I wasnt expecting a freebie, just someone who knows what they're doing ;)
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pm sent
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I've never used a scanning device before so have no idea how it works or what its limits are. However I assumed that if the ICU was expecting a "service" to be performed then maybe the scanner could override that particular code and prevent the control indicator from lighting up ? Is that how it works or am I a long way off ?
Long way off - its lit because something isn't right. That has to be fixed :)
BTW I wasnt expecting a freebie, just someone who knows what they're doing ;)
Sorry, I can't vouch for briy2's capabilities as I simply don't know him (and no disrespect to him - he might be a god with Omegas for all I know). But having codes is a first step, so post them up, and we can all suggest what to try.
The scanner may, for example, come up with a MAF code. That does not necessarily mean the MAF is faulty. Other things can cause it. Thats were, collectively, this forum scores - we have more Omega knowledge than any garage/dealer/other internet site.
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i will happily read codes but wont go any further than that with someone car other than my own I have worked on cars all my life and the omega can be a mystery to me that's the great thing about this forum :y
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AFAIK none of the Omegas have any service intervals coded into the ECU :-\
The Omega has current codes and stored codes. The current codes bring on the warning light, stored codes don't.
Generally as soon as a fault is fixed the warning light should go out.
If you have an intermittent fault then it is worth clearing the stored codes so you can see if they recur.
The other time you might want to reset things is if you have been running with something that skews the AFR such as an air leak, a faulty MAF (or a dodgy LPG system) and the long term trims are way out.
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Thanks Andy H, TB and Briy2 and TB.
"Thats were, collectively, this forum scores - we have more Omega knowledge than any garage/dealer/other internet site"
Agreed.
Will meet with Bri on Friday and extract the codes.
Thanks guys.
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"regular mechanic" is me.
This is the service indicator light we're talking about here. My Snap-on Solus wwill reset it but it comes on again almost immediately. The code behind this is "service due"
the MIL doesn't come on - there are no stored codes.
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"regular mechanic" is me.
This is the service indicator light we're talking about here. My Snap-on Solus wwill reset it but it comes on again almost immediately. The code behind this is "service due"
the MIL doesn't come on - there are no stored codes.
Out of interest, is the code something like 1700, and the car is an auto? If so, read the autobox ecu as well. Or if its a manual converted from auto, come see me (or Kevin Wood) to reconfigure ecu ;)
AFAIK, there is no "needs a service soon" on the Omega, everything is a result of a fault code.
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OK to update the topic.
Met with Bri (thanks once again Bri - very pleasant bloke as all OOFers seem to be) and he read the ECU and Autobox ECU.
He got an ECU Code P1555 which said "unknown" on his read out and 2woody claims his "Snap On" scan reads the same and says "Service Interval"
The Autobox ECU said P0727 "Can receives error not present" and P1781 "Unknown DTC not present"
Bri cleared all of those and I went for a quick spin around the block. The "spanner" icon didnt reappear again until I was just about to return to start point. I put the A/C on and the icon reappeared. (Probably not connected).
Bri then re-read the ECU's and got nowt from the Autobox and just the P1555 code from the main ECU again.
Woody's about to go on holiday and Bri has very kindly offered to check the codes again if required.
Thanks
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Have you checked the P1555 against the list of codes in Maintenence Guides?
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He got an ECU Code P1555 which said "unknown" on his read out and 2woody claims his "Snap On" scan reads the same and says "Service Interval"
Throttle position sensor (TPS). Clean the breather system and remove throttle body and give that a good clean as well.
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=90528.0
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When i first read the codes p1555 was there and stating tps after clearing and it coming back just said unknown but lets face it the unspoken of code reader does odd stuff like that ;D while i was there had a quick gander at the breather hoses and they all felt newish and clear by that i mean there was no obvious hard blocks did advise him to clean throttle body coz even without taking the plenum of you could see oil residue on the outer. As said before Mike if you need a hand giz a shout :y
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breathers and throttle body thoroughly steam-cleaned about ten days ago.
they didn't need it, tho.
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Surely it cant be good for the throttle body steam cleaning it??
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breathers and throttle body thoroughly steam-cleaned about ten days ago.
they didn't need it, tho.
I can't imagine there is ever a good reason for steam cleaning electrical components :-\
P1555 is probably caused by water in the TPS ::)
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OK another update. Met with Briy2 today and he cleaned all the gunge out of the throttle body and some pipes feeding to and from (dunno what exactly) and reassembled the whole thing. Took code readings then I drove it around for a while and lo and behold the f******* light came on again just after I'd switched on the A/C.
Briy then re read the codes and noticed one or two anomalies and also noted that the console showed an abnormally high external temperature reading of 44º whereas the correct outside temperature was around about 15.5º. Cutting it very short he replaced the external temperature sensor from my vehicle with his own and job done. No more "spanner in car" light even when A/C is activated
Thanks Bri :y
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Nice one glad to help :y Still cant get my head round why that should matter though?? is it down to temp and air mass??
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Top notch briy2 :y
Do we have the start of a Geordie posse ;D :y
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:D :D ;D Here man I am just trying t help ::)