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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: gpenny07931 on 19 September 2012, 17:20:28
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Done a hid conversion today on the omega. Went well and easily but when I turn them on one bulb works fine and the other side flickers then goes out again. Checked all connectors and they are fine. Can't think what could be causing it.
Any advice is appreciated. Cheers.
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Bulb on way out?
Hope you fitted the levelling sensors and wash system too :y
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Bulb on way out?
Hope you fitted the levelling sensors and wash system too :y
Washers only Mark. MOT states if a levelling system is fitted (manual or auto) it must work. So in the OP`s case he`s got manual adjustment
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Bulb on way out?
Hope you fitted the levelling sensors and wash system too :y
Washers only Mark. MOT states if a levelling system is fitted (manual or auto) it must work. So in the OP`s case he`s got manual adjustment
Good point well presented :y
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Bulb on way out?
Hope you fitted the levelling sensors and wash system too :y
Washers only Mark. MOT states if a levelling system is fitted (manual or auto) it must work. So in the OP`s case he`s got manual adjustment
Good point well presented :y
I`ve got the conversion on mine (CD) and mentioned it at the MOT on Monday and that was the answer given to me by the tester :)
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Bulb on way out?
Hope you fitted the levelling sensors and wash system too :y
Washers only Mark. MOT states if a levelling system is fitted (manual or auto) it must work. So in the OP`s case he`s got manual adjustment
Unfortunately he'll now blind every driver coming towards him on a bumpy road, as I'll put a lot of money on him not being able to "adjust" the beam as fast as the bumps in the road.
IMHO retro-fitting HIDS should be illegal unless the PROPER system is fitted in full.
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Bulb on way out?
Hope you fitted the levelling sensors and wash system too :y
Washers only Mark. MOT states if a levelling system is fitted (manual or auto) it must work. So in the OP`s case he`s got manual adjustment
Good point well presented :y
I`ve got the conversion on mine (CD) and mentioned it at the MOT on Monday and that was the answer given to me by the tester :)
Keep meaning to fit them to my CD, as I've got a set in the garage. Would only fit with wash system, as they make a huge difference when washed.
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Bulb on way out?
Hope you fitted the levelling sensors and wash system too :y
Washers only Mark. MOT states if a levelling system is fitted (manual or auto) it must work. So in the OP`s case he`s got manual adjustment
Unfortunately he'll now blind every driver coming towards him on a bumpy road, as I'll put a lot of money on him not being able to "adjust" the beam as fast as the bumps in the road.
IMHO retro-fitting HIDS should be illegal unless the PROPER system is fitted in full.
(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT9hvFWpS2rPiXLAtnwL4BmugISOi7QvNjuaZ5FvdUeEyTkf-jX) :-* :-* ;D
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So in the OP`s case he`s got manual adjustment
How does that work then?
Can you use the manual adjusters on xenon lamp units?
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Of course i fitted those............ ( wink wink). Its a new kit just out the box. Can replacement bulbs be bought seperately and I will try it?
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Unfortunately he'll now blind every driver coming towards him on a bumpy road, as I'll put a lot of money on him not being able to "adjust" the beam as fast as the bumps in the road.
Should be o.k. as long as he hasn't polished the lenses... :D
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Of course i fitted those............ ( wink wink). Its a new kit just out the box. Can replacement bulbs be bought seperately and I will try it?
Not lights from an Elite/CDX/MV6? eBay kit? Oh dear :-X
On a serious note, you need washers, they do make a huge difference, light output increases massively after a blast. Why do you think they were fitted at the factory? :y
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Its a new kit just out the box. Can replacement bulbs be bought seperately and I will try it?
I thought you meant that you'd fitted second hand Vx. units.
If you have a fleabay kit that adds bulbs and a ballast pack to your existing lamp units then that'll be why ones flickering...
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I will look into fitting washers. Would pass a bit of times while im off on holiday.
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That's the kit I have that adds ballasts and bulbs. Do you know why this happens?
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Why bother with cheap shit kit? Plenty of breakers here will sell you HID lights from a higher spec model, also factory fit wash system too & levelling sensor.
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I found the flickering and not coming on down to a faulty ballast on a kit I used to have, got rid of them in the end.
As for MOT not yet part of the test, but do fit washers as mentiond they do make a big difference.
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That's the kit I have that adds ballasts and bulbs. Do you know why this happens?
How much did you pay for the kit?
Proper bulbs are at least £35-£55 EACH.
http://www.google.co.uk/products/catalog?q=d2s+xenon&hl=en&prmd=imvns&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&biw=1416&bih=774&wrapid=tlif134807346380010&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=2452618621586455015&sa=X&ei=G_hZUJq3H7SU0QW-1YGoAw&ved=0CF8Q8wIwAA
Or £90 each for Halfrauds (presumably) no name specials...
http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_storeId_10001_catalogId_10151_productId_824285_langId_-1_categoryId_165538#tab1
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DfT state that aftermarket HID conversions must match the requirements for new car regs.
Which means:
HID approved lenses
An automatic headlight cleaning system
Automatic levelling system
Plain as plain.
Whatever the MOT states doesn't mean jack. Having an MOT ticket doesn't make a car legal.
As to HID upgrade kits that replace the halogen bulbs, which are most definately not looked upon favourably by DfT, I'd bin them, and buy the required parts from a breaker here.
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I wouldn't bother fitting cheap Hids... Being a mot tester almost every car I've tested with the cheap kits fitted is a border line fail as the image is terrible and the light output is about the same if not worse than a standard bulb.
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DfT state that aftermarket HID conversions must match the requirements for new car regs.
Which means:
HID approved lenses
An automatic headlight cleaning system
Automatic levelling system
Plain as plain.
Whatever the MOT states doesn't mean jack. Having an MOT ticket doesn't make a car legal.
As to HID upgrade kits that replace the halogen bulbs, which are most definately not looked upon favourably by DfT, I'd bin them, and buy the required parts from a breaker here.
That is the DfT`s understanding of what the law requires. Ultimately it`s for the courts to interpret it as they see fit in each particular case
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why is every one so obsessed with the washers mines got xenons no washers and it's passed 2 mot's since I fitted them >:(
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Because when the lenses get grubby the lights are useless. ;)
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Bulb on way out?
Hope you fitted the levelling sensors and wash system too :y
Washers only Mark. MOT states if a levelling system is fitted (manual or auto) it must work. So in the OP`s case he`s got manual adjustment
Good point well presented :y
I`ve got the conversion on mine (CD) and mentioned it at the MOT on Monday and that was the answer given to me by the tester :)
I checked with my MOT tester recently too (car is booked in for this Friday) and he said exactly the same thing. :y
I dont buy the argument that HID,s without S/l will automatically blind other drivers. I know from when I had badly adjusted lights that oncoming drivers will flash you if your blinding them,as will drivers you have been behind if you overtake them. This never happens with my HID,s.
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why is every one so obsessed with the washers mines got xenons no washers and it's passed 2 mot's since I fitted them >:(
When road dirt gets on the light lenses it reflects the light in all directions blinding road user's more than if the lenses were clean.
After market xenons or retro fit have no bearing on MOT as long as they work and give out a good light pattern they will pass at the time of test, and don't forget MOT is a test to say at the time of test the car was roadworthy, after that it don't mean jack.
Construction of use is a different matter, that's what Mr police man will come out with when you blind him.
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Having HIDs on the elite when you have been driving for sometimes a short period of time, with lights on and then washing screen, you realise how much light output drops.
Ask yourself why they are fitted from new ;)
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I get confused with all this.
Questions
1. Are the headlights the same on HID setups and standard bulbbs?
2. Self leveling, is that utilising the rear suspention or automatically using the height adjuster in the headlights.
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Xenon's and halogen lights are different
Self leveling is the rear shocks that inflate when heavy loads are in boot or fat people in back seats, but xenon's have leveling sensors on front and rear axles that adjust the adjusters in the lights.
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1. Are the headlights the same on HID setups and standard bulbbs?
No. And the HID ones are type approved for HIDs
2. Self leveling, is that utilising the rear suspention or automatically using the height adjuster in the headlights.
On Omega, there is a fast acting levelling system, with sensors on front and rear suspension, and ECU, and servos in each headlight. DfT say suspension levelling is 'acceptable'
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DfT state that aftermarket HID conversions must match the requirements for new car regs.
Which means:
HID approved lenses
An automatic headlight cleaning system
Automatic levelling system
Plain as plain.
Whatever the MOT states doesn't mean jack. Having an MOT ticket doesn't make a car legal.
As to HID upgrade kits that replace the halogen bulbs, which are most definately not looked upon favourably by DfT, I'd bin them, and buy the required parts from a breaker here.
That is the DfT`s understanding of what the law requires. Ultimately it`s for the courts to interpret it as they see fit in each particular case
Not quite, thats what DfT think is reasonable (and I think their views are reasonable - retrofits should be to same standards/spec as factory).
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Is there any for sale on here then? The Vauxhall ones? And how much.
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There are a pair in my "breaking facelift elite" ad in the parts section. I would advise you to request a refund from the ebay supplier if the kit you bought doesnt work properly. :y
If mine are of interest, feel free to PM me.If not,no worries. Postage may be a bit pricey to be honest.
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DfT state that aftermarket HID conversions must match the requirements for new car regs.
Which means:
HID approved lenses
An automatic headlight cleaning system
Automatic levelling system
Plain as plain.
Whatever the MOT states doesn't mean jack. Having an MOT ticket doesn't make a car legal.
As to HID upgrade kits that replace the halogen bulbs, which are most definately not looked upon favourably by DfT, I'd bin them, and buy the required parts from a breaker here.
That is the DfT`s understanding of what the law requires. Ultimately it`s for the courts to interpret it as they see fit in each particular case
Not quite, thats what DfT think is reasonable (and I think their views are reasonable - retrofits should be to same standards/spec as factory).
Wrong. Copied from the DfT`s information sheet regarding retrofitting.
"NOTE: The information in this document is a summary of DfT’s understanding of what the law requires."
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DfT state that aftermarket HID conversions must match the requirements for new car regs.
Which means:
HID approved lenses
An automatic headlight cleaning system
Automatic levelling system
Plain as plain.
Whatever the MOT states doesn't mean jack. Having an MOT ticket doesn't make a car legal.
As to HID upgrade kits that replace the halogen bulbs, which are most definately not looked upon favourably by DfT, I'd bin them, and buy the required parts from a breaker here.
That is the DfT`s understanding of what the law requires. Ultimately it`s for the courts to interpret it as they see fit in each particular case
Not quite, thats what DfT think is reasonable (and I think their views are reasonable - retrofits should be to same standards/spec as factory).
Wrong. Copied from the DfT`s information sheet regarding retrofitting.
"NOTE: The information in this document is a summary of DfT’s understanding of what the law requires."
OK, thanks :)
But I still think its a perfectly reasonable minimum.
Sorry, pet hate, due to all the 'tards around here who fit them badly around here
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Is there any for sale on here then? The Vauxhall ones? And how much.
I also have a set of xenon lights from a 2001 Mv6 knocking around, they come complete with bulbs an ballasts for £25 each collected, I gather the adjusters are fragile but if you wanna risk it then I am prepared to post them...
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Please keep offers of selling to the For Sale section ;)
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Please keep offers of selling to the For Sale section ;)
Sorry Boss, I have been realy good recently though... don't you think?
I only bothered to respond because 'gpenny' did specifically ask for a set.
S'pose I should apologize to 'albitz' too. :-[
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I have an after market hid kit fitted to my tourer estate, i fitted this kit myself with new after market projector lamp units as well. I already had washers fitted so ok there.
After the install i had the beams aimed at my local vx dealer as my pal works there, and i asked him to aim them just a tad low than the norm, He commented that the beam pattern was better than some more modern cars that he mot's.
Last week it went in for the MOT again and a different tester checked the operation of the washers and beam aim and made no comment or raised any questions as to the lights.
I personally have had more instances of being dazzled by BMW or NISSAN MICRA HIDS than any other cars out there.
Then again you will always get the chavs with their hats on sideways in lowered corsa's with HIDS that point to the moon, they are the people that need to be jumped on and fast. :o
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The problem is that even if you fit approved bulbs to an approved HID headlight, it doesnt compensate for levelling changes. Which is why the factory fit systems incorporate an expensive and elaborate levelling system. Then there is the issue of washers. Any dirt on the headlights have a tendency to scatter the beam and blind oncoming users, hence the need to have one.
ffcgary1; you may feel that BMWs and Micra's blind you more. However I would think that no one would get out of their car to let you know that your headlight has just dazzled them. Your headlights could be blinding quite a few people out there and you would be oblivious to the whole thing. With regards to your mate's comment, I would take it with a large scoop of salt. If you are trying to imply that your after market setup performs better than a well put together headlight designed by an international manufaturer, then that to me is wishful thinking and nothing else. Otherwise we would all be buying these so called perfect headlamps. MOT's purely check the beam pattern and dont really account for the scatter that the aftermarket kits throw out. I know becasue I had an expensive american aftermarket kit in my BMW and although it passed MOT after MOT; I knew the beam was not perfect. How? Because if I sat in another car with someone driving my car towards me, it was obvious I had an aftermarket setup due to the amount of scattered light.
The problem is that aftermarket HID kits improve your illumination of the road but at the expense of blinding or impairing the car opposite you. The best compromise seems to be retrofitting original units to the car, but that still doesnt address the levelling issue. It does seem to be the least blinding compromise though.
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D, i do not disagree with most of what you say but, i would put my hid set up against any retro fit set up anyday of the week, but i must stress that my hids are set a bit low to avoid dazzling on comeing drivers, and i am sure that if i was causing problems i am sure that they would flash me. But they dont.
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Same here Gary. :y