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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Drewomega on 19 September 2012, 21:22:03
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When is the west going to wakeup to this nonsense?
Believe me, I see a huge problem here, why should we in the west cowtow to these people? see my earlier posts concerning muslim countries. .
The only country I have not been in is Afghanistan.
The Arabs are not happy.
The conclusion: The Arabs are not happy!!!
. They are not happy in Gaza .
· They are not happy in the West Bank .
· They are not happy in Jerusalem .
· They are not happy in Israel . (There is no equality) great country though!
· They are not happy in Egypt .
· They are not happy in Libya .
· They are not happy in Algeria .
· They are not happy in Tunis .
· They are not happy in Morocco .
· They are not happy in Yemen .
· They are not happy in Iraq .
· They are not happy in Afghanistan .
· They are not happy in Syria .
· They are not happy in Lebanon .
· They are not happy in Sudan .
· They are not happy in Jordan .
· They are not happy in Iran .
Where are the Arabs happy?
They are happy in Britain
They are happy in France.
They are happy in Italy.
They are happy in Germany.
They are happy in Sweden.
They are happy in Holland.
They are happy in Denmark.
They are happy in Belgium.
They are happy in Norway.
They are happy in the U.S.
They are happy in Canada.
They are happy in Romania.
They are happy in Hungary.
They are happy in Australia.
They are happy in New Zealand.
They are happy in any other country in the world that is not under a Muslim rule.
And whom do they blame?
· Not Islam.
· Not their leadership.
· Not themselves.
But the same countries in which they are happy to live.
This is so true... Democracy is really good for them:
In a democracy they can live comfortably, enjoy the high quality of life, which they did not build nor work for, they don’t have to be productive and earn a living,
They can be wild, and break the law, and exploit the social services, wear Burkas and make a mockery of our Police and Courts And generally bite the hand that feeds them.
My question is why do they always try to bring their failed system with them, why do they want to turn our country into the country they left for a better life....?
While our Government is fixated on pandering to them... Why??
>:( >:( >:( >:( WTF?
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it is showing tolerence to the intolerant... :y
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Any Arabic expert/attitude people here? What Drew said seems bloody true though everything seem to be true without the other's point.
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When is the west going to wakeup to this nonsense?
Believe me, I see a huge problem here, why should we in the west cowtow to these people? see my earlier posts concerning muslim countries. .
The only country I have not been in is Afghanistan.
The Arabs are not happy.
The conclusion: The Arabs are not happy!!!
. They are not happy in Gaza .
· They are not happy in the West Bank .
· They are not happy in Jerusalem .
· They are not happy in Israel . (There is no equality) great country though!
· They are not happy in Egypt .
· They are not happy in Libya .
· They are not happy in Algeria .
· They are not happy in Tunis .
· They are not happy in Morocco .
· They are not happy in Yemen .
· They are not happy in Iraq .
· They are not happy in Afghanistan .
· They are not happy in Syria .
· They are not happy in Lebanon .
· They are not happy in Sudan .
· They are not happy in Jordan .
· They are not happy in Iran .
Where are the Arabs happy?
They are happy in Britain
They are happy in France.
They are happy in Italy.
They are happy in Germany.
They are happy in Sweden.
They are happy in Holland.
They are happy in Denmark.
They are happy in Belgium.
They are happy in Norway.
They are happy in the U.S.
They are happy in Canada.
They are happy in Romania.
They are happy in Hungary.
They are happy in Australia.
They are happy in New Zealand.
They are happy in any other country in the world that is not under a Muslim rule.
And whom do they blame?
· Not Islam.
· Not their leadership.
· Not themselves.
But the same countries in which they are happy to live.
This is so true... Democracy is really good for them:
In a democracy they can live comfortably, enjoy the high quality of life, which they did not build nor work for, they don’t have to be productive and earn a living,
They can be wild, and break the law, and exploit the social services, wear Burkas and make a mockery of our Police and Courts And generally bite the hand that feeds them.
My question is why do they always try to bring their failed system with them, why do they want to turn our country into the country they left for a better life....?
While our Government is fixated on pandering to them... Why??
>:( >:( >:( >:( WTF?
Good one.. and valid questions :y :y :y
but I bet those arabs who live abroad never think about this contradiction, nor interested in anything intellectual ;D :D
but the reason why west govts allow them is a good subject for discussion..
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No people to do low status jobs in the EU everybody want to be manager at some bank rather than a simple worker in the local facory. Not to mention the decreasing number of population the higher level we live the lower number of newborn we produce.
But back to the original question I am not sure of going to demonstrate to any embassy in point of some Jesus related movie. I would simply ignore it.
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No people to do low status jobs in the EU everybody want to be manager at some bank rather than a simple worker in the local facory. Not to mention the decreasing number of population the higher level we live the lower number of newborn we produce.
But back to the original question I am not sure of going to demonstrate to any embassy in point of some Jesus related movie. I would simply ignore it.
problem is muslims are not educated in their lifes to ignore religion related subjects.. I have watched the film in youtube..
there is no quality.. no serious criticism.. mostly humiliation.. if somethings had to be said , not in this way..
and the result as expected :-\
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May seems like valid questions to people who don't know much about Islam and get all their knowledge from the Daily Mail or the Sun but the reality is none of the Arab lands are under Islamic law. These lands are run by dictators who pick and choose laws from the Quran for their convenience and create others to benefit only them which is totally unislamic. Yes its true people are not happy but this is because they are not under true Islamic rule which is what people in those countries want. Islam requires unity among the Muslims, and to be under one ruler. This is clearly not the case.
Maybe the reason the west tolerate it because this is better than the alternative which is having all the Muslim countries united and following the correct Islamic law. It might put an end to the wests meddling in the middle east and they would probably have another potential superpower which I'm sure they wouldn't want.
With regards to this video, Cem you say yourself, its humiliating. What do people do when they're humiliated? They lash out. Not saying its right or wrong, not for me to say but cleggy, I think it was, said nuke the entire nation. If this is how the west thinks then the west are no better than the Muslims.
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"which they did not build nor work for, they don’t have to be productive and earn a living"
"They can be wild, and break the law, and exploit the social services, wear Burkas and make a mockery of our Police and Courts And generally bite the hand that feeds them."
"why do they always try to bring their failed system with them, why do they want to turn our country into the country they left for a better life....?"
Now I'm no bleeding hearted, hand wringing liberal, but I can spot a massive generalisation when I see one! ::)
I think you'll find that most people in this country of the Muslim faith are hard working decent people, many of whom came to the UK with nothing, have built businesses and have encouraged their children to do well at school so that they can go on to be Doctors and Lawyers etc and I'd put money on the fact that most Muslims in Britain were born here, making as much 'their' country as 'ours'..... ::)
Compare this to the indigenous population many of whom seem to be content to milk the system for all it's worth, the state is there to provide housing and healthcare to fix the ailments caused by crap diets, fags and booze! They let their kids run wild and don't give a toss whether they go to school or not, getting pregnant in the teens is a laudable career option, and if you can't get pregnant then petty crime is the way to go!!! :y :y :y This of course is another massive generalisation! ::)
The difficulties in society are caused by a minority who come from all backgrounds, colours and creeds! and in my opinion the problems arise when the authorities respond differently to separate groups, rather than treating all citizens equally! >:(
Most of the Muslim countries you list are run by authoritarian regimes (despite the Arab Spring!) who would crack down hard against any protest against their own governments, yet are are happy to let them let off steam against the US and the rest of the decadent western world!! The rioters are frustrated at the lack of freedoms provided by their religion and governments and want what we have!! Simple!! ;)
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THAT video. I said it when it came out. Very cheap and effective form of terrorism. Just who actually orchestrated its production? CIA ? Al Quaeda?
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THAT video. I said it when it came out. Very cheap and effective form of terrorism. Just who actually orchestrated its production? CIA ? Al Quaeda?
CIA have money.. would produce better things not a garbage like this.. ;D
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I agree with drew. :y
They live in the middle ages, have not seen the film and basically have the I.Q of a cabbage. They do what some imman tells them, muppets but DANGEROUS muppets. :( :(
Guess who gives them aid, the ones they riot against >:( >:( we should stop all foreign aid now :y :y
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I'm guessing you met every single muslim personally because I'm sure an educated western man like yourself wouldnt make assumptions about anothers intelligence based on what they see and read in the media because that would he stupid.
I watched Jeremy Kyle show today and got the impression white people arent that clever either! I guess that must reflect the entire nation too
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I actually attended a Muslim wedding last month and have Muslim friends.
I and they refer to those that riot in the same way... idiots of a low I.Q. just like those who appear on certain TV shows
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I'm guessing you met every single muslim personally because I'm sure an educated western man like yourself wouldnt make assumptions about anothers intelligence based on what they see and read in the media because that would he stupid.
I watched Jeremy Kyle show today and got the impression white people arent that clever either! I guess that must reflect the entire nation too
See post one for my answer ;)
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Maybe we all need to remember to distinguish between Muslims and Muslim fundamentalists (with the emphasis on mentalists) ?
Muslim fundamentalists are an ever increasing danger to civilisation and Governments need to grow a pair and deal with them once and for all by whatever means are necessary imo.
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The problem lies within the religion itself. The holy book is written in such a way that it can be easily misinterpreted in a fundamentalistic view.
For eg: He who does not believe in this book is a "kaffir". So the rest of the world are kaffir's unless you believe in Islam! Does not really leave much scope for tolerance does it?
There are various statement like this within the book, which are easily interpretable in a non tolerant way.
My beef is with the lack of tolerance for other peoples choices. What they otherwise do behind closed doors is really none of my business.
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Steady now. This can be an interesting discussion we (i) can learn from, hopefully.
I'm told, it's a sign of maturity, to see and understand the other point of view. Did I mention, I was told this. I have yet to learn it. ;D ;)
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The problem lies within the religion itself. The holy book is written in such a way that it can be easily misinterpreted in a fundamentalistic view.
For eg: He who does not believe in this book is a "kaffir". So the rest of the world are kaffir's unless you believe in Islam! Does not really leave much scope for tolerance does it?
There are various statement like this within the book, which are easily interpretable in a non tolerant way.
My beef is with the lack of tolerance for other peoples choices. What they otherwise do behind closed doors is really none of my business.
The BIBLE ??
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I have just watched the news and seen this diatribe going on in Pakistan and have been encouraged to put down my thoughts.
No matter the content or intentions of THAT film, this reaction by the followers of Mohammed is distinctly over zealous and is being carried out not by fundamentalist but by what appear's to be normal followers.
IMO this would appear to be a "mild" form of terrorism. In other words any form of criticism or ridicule of this particular "prophet" is met with with the most extreme, violent and murderous of protest so as to introduce fear into anyone that would dare to do this again. In extreme instances governments would (or have) be forced into introducing legislation (and therefore fear of the law) to ensure that these events are avoided.
Is the belief and following of just one of many of this worlds "prophets" so fragile that in order to maintain stability and belief this form of reaction and protest is incited and instigated, and thus creating an ever increasing potential for fundamentalism. OR as previously stated is this just an excuse and relief valve for the regime these followers live under and worship under
The last riots in this country where instigated by the shooting of a what was believed to be a gun carrying youth, but are in some circles seen to be an indication of the futility and injustice of this countries "regime" and also the pure criminality of some individuals. Previous riots, Pole tax, Brixton, Blackwater Farm, St Pauls, Toxteth, Handsworth, Southall and Moss Side have also occurred because of perceived repression, injustice, recession or again policy. Although never because a particular prophet or belief was insulted.
In order to gain some perspective we need to look at other situations
Where were the riots when Mel Gibson insulted the Jews, or when Abu Quatada preached his hatred or when monty python released life of Brian or when people have criticised the scientolgist or when an imman preaches hatred and incites fundamentalism in a mosque or ........ Nowhere. If it was wrong there was general condemnation, bad press, etc and some form of lawful or moral justice with prosecution or formal apology. In other ways a tolerant and balanced reaction with an equally balanced outcome.
These followers of Mohammed are only displaying themselves to be a group of intolerant and belligerent believers and does not encourage me to at any time consider converting ::)
It is stated by the leaders and voices of this particular prophet's followers that this is not the way of their belief and go to great lengths to ensure condemnation. YET. Is is widely understood that the instigators and perpetrators of this behavior, the preaching of fundamentalism and the sponsorship of terrorism is overlooked and ignored by their general community.
I am convinced that when a society stops allowing something from happening, IT STOPS.
I have quoted this before and will again "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing". Edmund Burke
Although the last two sentences could be also be attributed to why these riots are happening :-\
I'm done. Would be grateful for your opinions
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No matter the content or intentions of THAT film, this reaction by the followers of Mohammed is distinctly over zealous and is being carried out not by fundamentalist but by what appear's to be normal followers.
now some facts :
looking at the number of normal followers, if they reacted you could really expect a total war.. :( dont neglect it,
sum up the populations , you will see..
but thats not the case..
however, if those populations accept the book(and orders) as it is, world population would really decrease :-X
and a last note , if politicians (whole world) continue to pump and help religious fundemantalism just to get more votes,
storm clouds are waiting at the horizon.. :(
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and I forgot to say, unfortunately , day by day I see more poor people is shifting to the fundemantalist side under the recession.. :-\
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I have just watched the news and seen this diatribe going on in Pakistan and have been encouraged to put down my thoughts.
No matter the content or intentions of THAT film, this reaction by the followers of Mohammed is distinctly over zealous and is being carried out not by fundamentalist but by what appear's to be normal followers.
IMO this would appear to be a "mild" form of terrorism. In other words any form of criticism or ridicule of this particular "prophet" is met with with the most extreme, violent and murderous of protest so as to introduce fear into anyone that would dare to do this again. In extreme instances governments would (or have) be forced into introducing legislation (and therefore fear of the law) to ensure that these events are avoided.
Is the belief and following of just one of many of this worlds "prophets" so fragile that in order to maintain stability and belief this form of reaction and protest is incited and instigated, and thus creating an ever increasing potential for fundamentalism. OR as previously stated is this just an excuse and relief valve for the regime these followers live under and worship under
The last riots in this country where instigated by the shooting of a what was believed to be a gun carrying youth, but are in some circles seen to be an indication of the futility and injustice of this countries "regime" and also the pure criminality of some individuals. Previous riots, Pole tax, Brixton, Blackwater Farm, St Pauls, Toxteth, Handsworth, Southall and Moss Side have also occurred because of perceived repression, injustice, recession or again policy. Although never because a particular prophet or belief was insulted.
In order to gain some perspective we need to look at other situations
Where were the riots when Mel Gibson insulted the Jews, or when Abu Quatada preached his hatred or when monty python released life of Brian or when people have criticised the scientolgist or when an imman preaches hatred and incites fundamentalism in a mosque or ........ Nowhere. If it was wrong there was general condemnation, bad press, etc and some form of lawful or moral justice with prosecution or formal apology. In other ways a tolerant and balanced reaction with an equally balanced outcome.
These followers of Mohammed are only displaying themselves to be a group of intolerant and belligerent believers and does not encourage me to at any time consider converting ::)
It is stated by the leaders and voices of this particular prophet's followers that this is not the way of their belief and go to great lengths to ensure condemnation. YET. Is is widely understood that the instigators and perpetrators of this behavior, the preaching of fundamentalism and the sponsorship of terrorism is overlooked and ignored by their general community.
I am convinced that when a society stops allowing something from happening, IT STOPS.
I have quoted this before and will again "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing". Edmund Burke
Although the last two sentences could be also be attributed to why these riots are happening :-\
I'm done. Would be grateful for your opinions
Well researched and commented on........ :y :y
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Isn't it funny how noone mentionned this..... ::) ::) ::)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-19680785 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-19680785)
I think that the Muslim majority require more benefit than we currently give them :y
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Good stuff. Important not to Tar with the same brush, as they say. :y
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The UK muslims need to choose what type of world they want to live in.
Either a pro western democracy in which all colours and creeds tolerate each other and work together for the good of the nation or they should be told to fook off back to there stone age mud huts by there own faith.
Until pro western muslims turn on there own and say this, we will always have this problem.
As for taking over western countrys by the back door so to speak, I think its France that will have a muslim majority by 2025 at current imigration and birth rates.