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Title: rear springs
Post by: JimE on 25 September 2012, 10:25:48
Guys, i tend to carry a fair bit of weight in the back of the car, are there some heavy duty springs I can buy that wont lift the back too high but will stop the sagging, do I have to change the shocks at the same time?
Title: Re: rear springs
Post by: tunnie on 25 September 2012, 10:37:37
If you do haul a lot of weight, you want to go the self levelling route, that came with Elite's.

Air in the shocks keep the car at the same level.
Title: Re: rear springs
Post by: 05omegav6 on 25 September 2012, 12:02:02
A set of plod springs would also help, they seem to be a bit beefier without upsetting the ride height  :y
Title: Re: rear springs
Post by: tigers_gonads on 25 September 2012, 12:19:50
Off topic slightly  ::)

My shed is a pfl cd model.

I changed my rear spring last month and at first they were ok but now they are settled in they seem no better then the removed pair.

I tend to carry quite alot of weight in the back, pull a tin tent now and again.
I have also got the added weight of the donut lpg tank in the spare wheel well.
Is it possible to fit the rear air shocks and pump them up if / when needed ?
Title: Re: rear springs
Post by: 05omegav6 on 25 September 2012, 12:42:37
I believe Cliffo B has a working solutuon to this very problem TG :y
Title: Re: rear springs
Post by: tigers_gonads on 25 September 2012, 12:52:29
I believe Cliffo B has a working solutuon to this very problem TG :y


Best I give the young man a call then  ;D ;D ;D

Cheers  Al  :y
Title: Re: rear springs
Post by: bored bigyin54 on 25 September 2012, 13:38:34
or put a set off rubbers in like i got in mine :y
Title: Re: rear springs
Post by: feeutfo on 25 September 2012, 15:07:10
I believe some members use Monroe air levellers for non self levelling models...?
Although there was also talk of supply problems. :-\
Title: Re: rear springs
Post by: feeutfo on 25 September 2012, 15:14:10
CliffoB's solution involves air bladders fitted within the springs. These can be connected to Elite's on board self levelling pump. Or via shader valve retro fitted in the boot for standard cars.

Problem there is Mad suspension, who supply the air bags, don't officially make an air bag system for the omega. So he's managed to speak to someone there that has sorted him out a set that work. I haven't been able to get passes that stage yet. But Cliffo does pop in here from time to time. Or maybe Pm him?
Title: Re: rear springs
Post by: JimE on 25 September 2012, 17:18:29
All the above sounds far too complicated for me lol anone wanna buy an Omega instead LOL
Title: Re: rear springs
Post by: tigers_gonads on 25 September 2012, 17:29:39
CliffoB's solution involves air bladders fitted within the springs. These can be connected to Elite's on board self levelling pump. Or via shader valve retro fitted in the boot for standard cars.

Problem there is Mad suspension, who supply the air bags, don't officially make an air bag system for the omega. So he's managed to speak to someone there that has sorted him out a set that work. I haven't been able to get passes that stage yet. But Cliffo does pop in here from time to time. Or maybe Pm him?


Cheers Chris, i'll have a word and find out how it works / how much it costs  ;)

I take it its just a case of 2 bags that fit inside the springs.  A shroader valve, T piece and some pipe  :-\
Title: Re: rear springs
Post by: RobG on 25 September 2012, 17:48:18
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=85322.msg1250290#msg1250290
Title: Re: rear springs
Post by: 05omegav6 on 25 September 2012, 17:49:06
Yup :y basically...
Title: Re: rear springs
Post by: bored bigyin54 on 25 September 2012, 19:31:10
All the above sounds far too complicated for me lol anone wanna buy an Omega instead LOL
easy way to stop it going down to far . go to a caravan shop and get some spring rubbers , worked on mine :y :y
Title: Re: rear springs
Post by: tigers_gonads on 25 September 2012, 20:54:06
All the above sounds far too complicated for me lol anone wanna buy an Omega instead LOL
easy way to stop it going down to far . go to a caravan shop and get some spring rubbers , worked on mine :y :y


Thought of that but I only really need them if i've got a full tank of gas / plenty of petrol and a full load in the boot
Title: Re: rear springs
Post by: bored bigyin54 on 25 September 2012, 23:08:20
All the above sounds far too complicated for me lol anone wanna buy an Omega instead LOL
easy way to stop it going down to far . go to a caravan shop and get some spring rubbers , worked on mine :y :y


Thought of that but I only really need them if i've got a full tank of gas / plenty of petrol and a full load in the boot
mine are still in . with no problem :y :y
Title: Re: rear springs
Post by: Seth on 26 September 2012, 02:14:24
All the above sounds far too complicated for me lol anone wanna buy an Omega instead LOL
easy way to stop it going down to far . go to a caravan shop and get some spring rubbers , worked on mine :y :y

Be careful with these Rolf - I take it that you're actually referring to coil-assisters?

Whilst they're "OK" it must be remembered that the coil spring absorbs stresses uniformly throughout it's length. Assisters prevent the coil compressing uniformly, and the stress is basically transferred to the unassisted portions of the coil, and can effectively overload the 'unassisted' portion.

That said, I've fitted a combination of Monroe Ride Levellers (in lieu of the original shock absorbers) and Grayston Coil Assisters (merely to assist the vertical loading on the Ride Levellers).

Our latest 'van is just about the maximum towing limit for our TD (weight ratio-wise), and this set-up works reasonably well as can be seen here:

(https://dl.dropbox.com/u/43954633/IMG_0540.JPG)


And here:

(https://dl.dropbox.com/u/43954633/IMG_0483.JPG)


Whilst the pictures portray a nicely-balanced outfit, there's a tendency for slight oversteer, and I'm presently investigating the fitment of Cliffo's set-up.
Title: Re: rear springs
Post by: JimE on 26 September 2012, 09:22:26
So to get back on topic, could someone tell me what heavy duty springs I should order? I am not interested in caravan what nots or fitting self levelling bits, if you want to discuss that start your own posts.  I only asked about heavier than standard springs and this appears to have been hijacked!  ;D
Title: Re: rear springs
Post by: tigers_gonads on 26 September 2012, 10:09:22
So to get back on topic, could someone tell me what heavy duty springs I should order? I am not interested in caravan what nots or fitting self levelling bits, if you want to discuss that start your own posts.  I only asked about heavier than standard springs and this appears to have been hijacked!  ;D


Iirc, KYB do a set of uprated springs  :y
Title: Re: rear springs
Post by: bored bigyin54 on 26 September 2012, 20:32:46
So to get back on topic, could someone tell me what heavy duty springs I should order? I am not interested in caravan what nots or fitting self levelling bits, if you want to discuss that start your own posts.  I only asked about heavier than standard springs and this appears to have been hijacked!  ;D
nobody hijacked anything . just trying to help at less money  ??? ???