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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Andy B on 22 April 2008, 09:02:17
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For the very first time since I got my diseasal Astra on the road it failed to start for me this morning. :( Even when it has 50% diesel & chip oil in it started first turn of the key after the glow plug light went out. This morning I initially forgot about the glow plugs & spun it over (been in the Omega more over the wk end) but then allowed the glow plug light to time out. After 3 or 4 goes I gave up & used the Omega instead. I'd even tightened up the 'fan belt' a little so the screech wouldn't disturb the neighbours at 5 in the morning ..... again! ::) Used it last night OK when I nipped out to fill it up.
Any suggestions?
Astra G 1.7 low blow turbo.
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new plugs? wiring to plugs?
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new plugs? wiring to plugs?
Yes. They'll be my first port of call. I didn't have time to look this morning.
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Who want to light the match? :(
Glow plugs fine! :)
Disconnected an injector pipe & there's bugger all fuel coming out when it's being cranked. As these engines are prone to fuel pump failure - this was a 'new-to-me' pump last year anyway - I reckon I need another pump for it. :'(
Looks like I'll be spending a fiver each way to work in the Omega rather than a fiver each day in the Astra. :(
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Who want to light the match? :(
Glow plugs fine! :)
Disconnected an injector pipe & there's bugger all fuel coming out when it's being cranked. As these engines are prone to fuel pump failure - this was a 'new-to-me' pump last year anyway - I reckon I need another pump for it. :'(
Looks like I'll be spending a fiver each way to work in the Omega rather than a fiver each day in the Astra. :(
I have heard a lot about Ford diesel fuel pumps on cars which run chip oil as fuel, its too thick for most modern pumps and they burn out.
Can you invest in a more 'beasty' pump?
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Any fuel being delivered to the fuel pump?
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Any fuel being delivered to the fuel pump?
I haven't yet crawlled around underneath but as I understand it there isn't a seperate lift pump, the engine driven all singing all dancing pump does both. The fuel filter bowl is full though.
I'll go & get my Dad's seril ported lap-top soon (after the trraffic has died down) & plug my 'Cheapo TechII' in & see what that has to say.
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Any fuel being delivered to the fuel pump?
I haven't yet crawlled around underneath but as I understand it there isn't a seperate lift pump, the engine driven all singing all dancing pump does both. The fuel filter bowl is full though.
Ok, is the immobiliser light flashing?
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Any fuel being delivered to the fuel pump?
I haven't yet crawlled around underneath but as I understand it there isn't a seperate lift pump, the engine driven all singing all dancing pump does both. The fuel filter bowl is full though.
Ok, is the immobiliser light flashing?
No. The EML light goes out shortly after turning on the ignition as normal, but then comes back on constant after a short while of cranking.
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Hmmmm...do you have the means to read the codes and what year is it (97ish?)
If its the GM diesel unit then there is a stop valve on them from memory held on with a couple of sheer bolts that have to be drilled out which can cause no fuel flow.
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Hmmmm...do you have the means to read the codes and what year is it (97ish?)
If its the GM diesel unit then there is a stop valve on them from memory held on with a couple of sheer bolts that have to be drilled out which can cause no fuel flow.
It's a GM engine 1999.
Shear bolts? Stop valve? You've lost me on those. I bought the car originally with a fubar'd fuel pump in my niavity, before I realised the cost of a new or refurb'd unit. The pump on it is from a breakers yard of unknown year or milage. I don't remember seeing anything resembling shear bolts, just where you put the 9.5 mm dowl/half a drill to time it up ready to be timed with the car.
Off now to get a suitable lappy.
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Right then.
I've got P1631 jelen van (which apparently means - to attend, to be present, to reside in) :-?
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Sadly it sounds like the EDU unit on the back of the pump might have gone down.
One other known issue is for the main ecu data to be corrupted which can be overcome by re-programming with tech2,
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Sadly it sounds like the EDU unit on the back of the pump might have gone down.
One other known issue is for the main ecu data to be corrupted which can be overcome by re-programming with tech2,
Mmmm! That's what I thought. I've a trawl around the net & it does seem to be the case.
Looks like I'll be on the phone for A N Other tomorrow.
I found this though http://forum.astraownersnetwork.co.uk/showthread.php?t=34042
Sorry I can't remember who it is that bought the new Astra. :-[
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It was Victor Meldrew.....
Consider getting the one you have repaired.....try these fine people:
http://ecu-testing.com/contact_us.html
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Consider getting the one you have repaired.....try these fine people:
http://ecu-testing.com/contact_us.html
I gather they're more for ECU's. My gut instinct is that it'll be the pump :(
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My money is on the EDU bolted to the top of the pump......was there not one on the old pump you took off that you can try?
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My money is on the EDU bolted to the top of the pump......was there not one on the old pump you took off that you can try?
EDU standing for what exactly? Someone had already been having a play with the top of the pump before I got to it. I'd considered having a play at frigging something ... (I wasn't too sure what :-? ;)) but when I removed the top I discovered the ribbon cable in there was also ripped. At that stage I decided to look for another pump. Isn't hindsite wonderful?
Any suggestions about frigging it though Mark would be most gratefull. ::)
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My money is on the EDU bolted to the top of the pump......was there not one on the old pump you took off that you can try?
EDU standing for what exactly? Someone had already been having a play with the top of the pump before I got to it. I'd considered having a play at frigging something ... (I wasn't too sure what :-? ;)) but when I removed the top I discovered the ribbon cable in there was also ripped. At that stage I decided to look for another pump. Isn't hindsite wonderful?
Any suggestions about frigging it though Mark would be most gratefull. ::)
No way to frigg it.
The EDU is the pump controller, this engine is a piston pump with full ECU control and the EDU is the pump interface module.
The company listed do repair the EDU's
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Bargain!
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Vauxhall-Astra-1-7-DTI-TD-Diesel-Pump-ECU-EDU-16267710_W0QQitemZ110244655931QQihZ001QQcategoryZ10404QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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or:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Vauxhall-Astra-1-7-DTI-TD-Diesel-Pump-ECU-EDU-16267710_W0QQitemZ160226125245QQihZ006QQcategoryZ10404QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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Bargain!
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Vauxhall-Astra-1-7-DTI-TD-Diesel-Pump-ECU-EDU-16267710_W0QQitemZ110244655931QQihZ001QQcategoryZ10404QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
or:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Vauxhall-Astra-1-7-DTI-TD-Diesel-Pump-ECU-EDU-16267710_W0QQitemZ160226125245QQihZ006QQcategoryZ10404QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Wrong engine I think. Mine's a 17DTL single cam GM engine, I'm sure that the DTI is the twin cam engine - both listings refer to the Izusu enggine. You reckon it's the ECU or the actula fuel injection pump? Going off what I could find re the fault code I'd pretty much assumed it was the pump, but I'll love to be shown I was wrong. ;) My ECU is quite a long afair that lives under the passenger front wing.