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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Nickbat on 16 October 2012, 22:52:26
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In good old WinXP – and all prior Win versions – one could easily search for text within files. This function lies, I would have thought, at the basis of computing: the ability to find something fast within trillions of lines of code. Tonight, as part of my day job, I tried to find a phrase which I knew had been translated into Spanish at some time in the past. Could I find it? No. In Win 7, the default setting is searching for file names in folders. Well, if I knew the file, I'd be able to find what I was looking for.
To look through folders, you have to "index" them. What's that about? I don't know which folder it was in! ::) ::)
All I want to do is be able to search a disk for a text string. Is that so hard? For Win 7 Ultimate, it clearly is.
Grrr. >:( >:( >:(
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Bring back Bill Gates. ;) mmmm Billy boy.
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# find / -exec grep -H -n 'Nobody expects the Spanish inquisition' {} \;
Oh.. wait, Windows. There's always Cygwin, I suppose.
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Never mind Nick, put the kettle on and have a nice cuppa tea! :)
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In good old WinXP – and all prior Win versions – one could easily search for text within files. This function lies, I would have thought, at the basis of computing: the ability to find something fast within trillions of lines of code. Tonight, as part of my day job, I tried to find a phrase which I knew had been translated into Spanish at some time in the past. Could I find it? No. In Win 7, the default setting is searching for file names in folders. Well, if I knew the file, I'd be able to find what I was looking for.
To look through folders, you have to "index" them. What's that about? I don't know which folder it was in! ::) ::)
All I want to do is be able to search a disk for a text string. Is that so hard? For Win 7 Ultimate, it clearly is.
Grrr. >:( >:( >:(
It is there, just remove your "EU" filter and you will find it!! ;D
sent from my huckleberry APod nanny with chucklebags running on Win95
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this may help :y
http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_7-files/in-windows-7-i-want-to-search-for-all-files/aadfe1f1-4a33-406b-8e72-bb920efa4f30 (http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_7-files/in-windows-7-i-want-to-search-for-all-files/aadfe1f1-4a33-406b-8e72-bb920efa4f30)
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this may help :y
http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_7-files/in-windows-7-i-want-to-search-for-all-files/aadfe1f1-4a33-406b-8e72-bb920efa4f30 (http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_7-files/in-windows-7-i-want-to-search-for-all-files/aadfe1f1-4a33-406b-8e72-bb920efa4f30)
Talk about a faff! So glad they've "improved" it so much since XP. Still, think of all that eye candy. ::)
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I could write assembler code, tune, tear apart, fix and rebuild IBM MVS/JES3 operating systems on trio of 370 machines, as a Systems Engineer mind you it was 1978. Now I ain't got a clue, and I guess Microsoft won't let me have logic manuals and source code. ;D ;D ;D
You all have it too easy. ::) :D ;D
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If I want to find mention of the word 'omega' in all .txt files I would
> find "omega" *.txt
or if case does not matter
> find /i "omega" *.txt
add '| more' if you want to view one page of results at a time
or leave off the '*.txt' if you want to search all files.
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I'd recommend getting the free (and excellent) Notepad++, not only is a great editor it also has find-in-files support built-in.
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In good old WinXP – and all prior Win versions – one could easily search for text within files. This function lies, I would have thought, at the basis of computing: the ability to find something fast within trillions of lines of code. Tonight, as part of my day job, I tried to find a phrase which I knew had been translated into Spanish at some time in the past. Could I find it? No. In Win 7, the default setting is searching for file names in folders. Well, if I knew the file, I'd be able to find what I was looking for.
To look through folders, you have to "index" them. What's that about? I don't know which folder it was in! ::) ::)
All I want to do is be able to search a disk for a text string. Is that so hard? For Win 7 Ultimate, it clearly is.
Grrr. >:( >:( >:(
Try this Nick, Win 7,
Search Box, 'My Text Word', wait, click- See More Results, brings up New Window, top right box = My Text Word, click on this, brings up filters, date size kind etc, click Kind, then click type, ie email, document / Note / picture etc.
Hope it helps.
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I could write assembler code, tune, tear apart, fix and rebuild IBM MVS/JES3 operating systems on trio of 370 machines, as a Systems Engineer mind you it was 1978. Now I ain't got a clue, and I guess Microsoft won't let me have logic manuals and source code. ;D ;D ;D
You all have it too easy. ::) :D ;D
nowadays even mobiles have more complex coding techniques.. those days are long gone..
besides there is no need for those huge machines , even an old model pc is capable of handling manyX times of calculating power.. when I was working for a bank, I was able to beat the manframe on a 2 processor simple raid system during 3d cube calculations.. (later microsoft called them OLAP)
ps: the mainframe programmer was unaware of 3d matrices.. ;D
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I could write assembler code, tune, tear apart, fix and rebuild IBM MVS/JES3 operating systems on trio of 370 machines, as a Systems Engineer mind you it was 1978. Now I ain't got a clue, and I guess Microsoft won't let me have logic manuals and source code. ;D ;D ;D
You all have it too easy. ::) :D ;D
nowadays even mobiles have more complex coding techniques.. those days are long gone..
besides there is no need for those huge machines , even an old model pc is capable of handling manyX times of calculating power.. when I was working for a bank, I was able to beat the manframe on a 2 processor simple raid system during 3d cube calculations.. (later microsoft called them OLAP)
ps: the mainframe programmer was unaware of 3d matrices.. ;D
I know, I feel old trying to remember, a 370/158 was the first 1mip CPU in 1973 and was huge ;) ;D ;D
All we had were dumb terminals accessing the mainrame. When PC's first came out we called them 'Toys & Novelties' ;D ;D
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Thanks for the tips, Guys. :y
Unfortunately, I tried one suggestion which was to get Win7 to index contents as well as file types. BIG mistake. The PC slowed down to an absolute crawl and I've wasted several hours of work time trying to correct it. Have switched it off for now while I finish my jobs. What an absolute pain. >:( >:(
Incidentally, if you read the comments under the link that Cem provided, you'll see that this change to the search facility has made people seriously pi**ed off. >:(
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No trouble in searching within files here on Vista/W7. I do it all the time. And I do NOT index files.
Please read the manual ;)
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# find / -exec grep -H -n 'Nobody expects the Spanish inquisition' {} \;
Oh.. wait, Windows. There's always Cygwin, I suppose.
Backup "My Documents" to a Linux server and use line 1 above. You will then also have a backup for when your HD crashes.
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# find / -exec grep -H -n 'Nobody expects the Spanish inquisition' {} \;
Oh.. wait, Windows. There's always Cygwin, I suppose.
Backup "My Documents" to a Linux server and use line 1 above. You will then also have a backup for when your HD crashes.
Just bin windows and use a Linux desktop instead. :y
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# find / -exec grep -H -n 'Nobody expects the Spanish inquisition' {} \;
Oh.. wait, Windows. There's always Cygwin, I suppose.
Backup "My Documents" to a Linux server and use line 1 above. You will then also have a backup for when your HD crashes.
Just bin windows and use a Linux desktop instead. :y
going back to unix derivatives.. :-\ I'll better use dos instead..
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# find / -exec grep -H -n 'Nobody expects the Spanish inquisition' {} \;
Oh.. wait, Windows. There's always Cygwin, I suppose.
Backup "My Documents" to a Linux server and use line 1 above. You will then also have a backup for when your HD crashes.
Just bin windows and use a Linux desktop instead. :y
going back to unix derivatives.. :-\ I'll better use dos instead..
CP/M was the better OS, but they couldn't be bothered to visit IBM so they chose domesdos msdos from a start up instead. The rest is history.
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;D ;D :D
Better that you go nowhere near the new improved Windows 8 then.....It will blow you out completely. I have cancelled my pre-order after trying to get to grips with it during a trial. Must have been designed by a totally geeky monkey completely piut of touch with what most people want or need..........Believe me....its far,far worse than anything else MS have offered previously and from forum s it appears that the orders are the worst they have ever had.
Bring back XP...at least it worked! ;)
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;D ;D :D
Better that you go nowhere near the new improved Windows 8 then.....It will blow you out completely. I have cancelled my pre-order after trying to get to grips with it during a trial. Must have been designed by a totally geeky monkey completely piut of touch with what most people want or need..........Believe me....its far,far worse than anything else MS have offered previously and from forum s it appears that the orders are the worst they have ever had.
Bring back XP...at least it worked! ;)
I think xp was written before the programmers tried a new kind of crack.. ;D
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;D ;D :D
Better that you go nowhere near the new improved Windows 8 then.....It will blow you out completely. I have cancelled my pre-order after trying to get to grips with it during a trial. Must have been designed by a totally geeky monkey completely piut of touch with what most people want or need..........Believe me....its far,far worse than anything else MS have offered previously and from forum s it appears that the orders are the worst they have ever had.
Bring back XP...at least it worked! ;)
Precisely the problem with most software, and a lot of web sites, these days. Eye candy rules! Employ some teenagers whose ambition outnumbers their ability by a large margin and tell them to develop some "cool stuff". Can't go wrong! ::)
Software is a boring tool that gets a job done. Much like a kettle if you're making tea or a car if you're going somewhere. What predominantly matters is that it fulfils its' purpose and it's obvious to the user how to achieve that, surely?
Naah! sod it, I'm off to buy one of those kettles that lights up in all sorts of gaudy colours. Stainless steel is so uncool. ::)
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as the subject is related I want to mention about some historical facts..
before windows operating systems becomes widely used, the options were as follows;
IBM mainframes (assembler,pascal,cobol and jcl) , middle sized systems ; (if we regard AS 400) mostly unix and its million versions that even when you write C code you have to re-compile and re-arrange some segments of code :( and dos where borland pascal was the most succesful imo..
in those days even transferring simple data files between those systems was considered a "task" ;D let alone networking and communicating them.. and beginner programmers had to choose an environment which was mostly Dos as Unix was for pros ::)
and mainframes were a different class.. ;D and whatever project you develop you had to write all codes for communications ,networking ,file and data transfers and many other things from scratch.. in those days spreadsheets, mail systems were rare or even primitive compared to todays standards.. data warehousing,distributed processing many other things were beyond imagination.. you accept or not , like it or not microsoft ended all these mess and bring many standards.. of course there were other companies who brought succesful software into use.. but now you can find zillions of software that work both in large and small systems which can easily share data.. even your mobile.. thats a good achievement in my dictionary.. and most software development libraries are nearly standard and your code can work on a large scale of computer architecture without modification..
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# find / -exec grep -H -n 'Nobody expects the Spanish inquisition' {} \;
Oh.. wait, Windows. There's always Cygwin, I suppose.
Backup "My Documents" to a Linux server and use line 1 above. You will then also have a backup for when your HD crashes.
Just bin windows and use a Linux desktop instead. :y
Linux has a place in life. But its a woeful desktop, IMHO. In fact, as soon as X is installed on Linux, it all goes downhill ::)
Cue the 'real men use the shell'
If you really want to use a *nix like OS, at least run a proper Unix. Have I mentioned Linux is shite? On the upside, its instability helps pay the mortgage ::)
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as the subject is related I want to mention about some historical facts..
before windows operating systems becomes widely used, the options were as follows;
IBM mainframes (assembler,pascal,cobol and jcl) , middle sized systems ; (if we regard AS 400) mostly unix and its million versions that even when you write C code you have to re-compile and re-arrange some segments of code :( and dos where borland pascal was the most succesful imo..
in those days even transferring simple data files between those systems was considered a "task" ;D let alone networking and communicating them.. and beginner programmers had to choose an environment which was mostly Dos as Unix was for pros ::)
and mainframes were a different class.. ;D and whatever project you develop you had to write all codes for communications ,networking ,file and data transfers and many other things from scratch.. in those days spreadsheets, mail systems were rare or even primitive compared to todays standards.. data warehousing,distributed processing many other things were beyond imagination.. you accept or not , like it or not microsoft ended all these mess and bring many standards.. of course there were other companies who brought succesful software into use.. but now you can find zillions of software that work both in large and small systems which can easily share data.. even your mobile.. thats a good achievement in my dictionary.. and most software development libraries are nearly standard and your code can work on a large scale of computer architecture without modification..
VAX. You missed VAX and VMS. That was big in the UK.
I cut my teeth with Sinclair computers, before getting a CP/M, then PC.
Programming - I remember the day Visual Basic 1.0 arrived, and after a couple of days scratching my head, "got it". I wet my pants, as Borland C++ was a mare to write Windows apps.
I suspect I was the first to buy Visual Basic for MS-DOS as well. Brilliant system. I know later (pre .NET) versions of VB had their critics, but I was a big fan :y
My brother's stock control and PoS still run under VB6 (long story, looming Y2K deadline, and his previous MS Basic PDS 7.1 based system I wrote in the 80's was most definately NOT Y2K compliant), and in my Win8 tests, still works OK (except some of the direct port IO for old hardware - that stopped working with Vista, as it broke all the rules ::)).
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My brother's stock control and PoS still run under VB6 (long story, looming Y2K deadline, and his previous MS Basic PDS 7.1 based system I wrote in the 80's was most definately NOT Y2K compliant), and in my Win8 tests, still works OK (except some of the direct port IO for old hardware - that stopped working with Vista, as it broke all the rules ::)).
I really should get it on .NET, but its too big for the freebie converters. So I guess another rewrite is on the cards :(
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My brother's stock control and PoS still run under VB6 (long story, looming Y2K deadline, and his previous MS Basic PDS 7.1 based system I wrote in the 80's was most definately NOT Y2K compliant), and in my Win8 tests, still works OK (except some of the direct port IO for old hardware - that stopped working with Vista, as it broke all the rules ::) ).
I really should get it on .NET, but its too big for the freebie converters. So I guess another rewrite is on the cards :(
I'm in the same position, have to convert an over 100K line source code to .Net but cant find the courage to start as .net reporting inner tools (activexes and others are limited).. you have to purchase a seperate product or develop some other things.. besides, I develop a common reporting tool for my self that makes life easier.. developing it in browser environment is totally pointless as its too slow and browszer abilities are too limited.. :-\
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as the subject is related I want to mention about some historical facts..
before windows operating systems becomes widely used, the options were as follows;
IBM mainframes (assembler,pascal,cobol and jcl) , middle sized systems ; (if we regard AS 400) mostly unix and its million versions that even when you write C code you have to re-compile and re-arrange some segments of code :( and dos where borland pascal was the most succesful imo..
in those days even transferring simple data files between those systems was considered a "task" ;D let alone networking and communicating them.. and beginner programmers had to choose an environment which was mostly Dos as Unix was for pros ::)
and mainframes were a different class.. ;D and whatever project you develop you had to write all codes for communications ,networking ,file and data transfers and many other things from scratch.. in those days spreadsheets, mail systems were rare or even primitive compared to todays standards.. data warehousing,distributed processing many other things were beyond imagination.. you accept or not , like it or not microsoft ended all these mess and bring many standards.. of course there were other companies who brought succesful software into use.. but now you can find zillions of software that work both in large and small systems which can easily share data.. even your mobile.. thats a good achievement in my dictionary.. and most software development libraries are nearly standard and your code can work on a large scale of computer architecture without modification..
VAX. You missed VAX and VMS. That was big in the UK.
I cut my teeth with Sinclair computers, before getting a CP/M, then PC.
Programming - I remember the day Visual Basic 1.0 arrived, and after a couple of days scratching my head, "got it". I wet my pants, as Borland C++ was a mare to write Windows apps.
I suspect I was the first to buy Visual Basic for MS-DOS as well. Brilliant system. I know later (pre .NET) versions of VB had their critics, but I was a big fan :y
My brother's stock control and PoS still run under VB6 (long story, looming Y2K deadline, and his previous MS Basic PDS 7.1 based system I wrote in the 80's was most definately NOT Y2K compliant), and in my Win8 tests, still works OK (except some of the direct port IO for old hardware - that stopped working with Vista, as it broke all the rules ::) ).
VAX VMS, my first job was too develop a database on it but short time I stayed as I found a private project with better funds..
CPM, long long time ago there was a system................. ;D
I still find vb6 most easy and productive environment.. :y
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I'm just over half that, cem, 50k
Trouble is, the runtimes will get phased out, so just delaying it really :'(
But I don't have the time - I help bro out in my spare time.
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I still find vb6 most easy and productive environment.. :y
VB.NET is more productive, a richer framework. But I still have a softspot for VB6.
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I suspect I was the first to buy Visual Basic for MS-DOS as well. Brilliant system. I know later (pre .NET) versions of VB had their critics, but I was a big fan :y
You weren't the only one to use VB for DOS.. I also, once upon a time, used QuickBasic (the full version of QBasic that let you compile to .exe) fairly extensively, for my sins.
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I'm just over half that, cem, 50k
Trouble is, the runtimes will get phased out, so just delaying it really :'(
But I don't have the time - I help bro out in my spare time.
a source code with that size must not be converted.. it must be re-designed with object libraries and methods according to new development environment tools and commands or you will loose more time and efficiency.. I have exactly the same problems.. and no one pays me extra if I rewrite it.. :-\
ps: my prediction, minimum 8 months for 50K..
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I still find vb6 most easy and productive environment.. :y
VB.NET is more productive, a richer framework. But I still have a softspot for VB6.
agreed.. but if my time is limited I dont prefer it.. vb6 executables still work in win 7/win 2008..(assuming you run them with admin privileges)
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I suspect I was the first to buy Visual Basic for MS-DOS as well. Brilliant system. I know later (pre .NET) versions of VB had their critics, but I was a big fan :y
You weren't the only one to use VB for DOS.. I also, once upon a time, used QuickBasic (the full version of QBasic that let you compile to .exe) fairly extensively, for my sins.
Yeah, used QuickBasic up to v4.5, before moving on to PDS 7.1
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I still find vb6 most easy and productive environment.. :y
VB.NET is more productive, a richer framework. But I still have a softspot for VB6.
agreed.. but if my time is limited I dont prefer it.. vb6 executables still work in win 7/win 2008..(assuming you run them with admin privileges)
All my brother's stuff runs as non-Admin, but I have to use a GPO to push the registry entries out, as they do need Admin to update.
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I still find vb6 most easy and productive environment.. :y
VB.NET is more productive, a richer framework. But I still have a softspot for VB6.
agreed.. but if my time is limited I dont prefer it.. vb6 executables still work in win 7/win 2008..(assuming you run them with admin privileges)
All my brother's stuff runs as non-Admin, but I have to use a GPO to push the registry entries out, as they do need Admin to update.
I discovered that for users with limited rights, if you have to write some files on disk most appropriate way is to use filenames without path so that it writes to working folder only and permissions dont become problem.. our users in organization are totally limited profiles..
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as the subject is related I want to mention about some historical facts..
before windows operating systems becomes widely used, the options were as follows;
IBM mainframes (assembler,pascal,cobol and jcl) , middle sized systems ; (if we regard AS 400) mostly unix and its million versions that even when you write C code you have to re-compile and re-arrange some segments of code :( and dos where borland pascal was the most succesful imo..
in those days even transferring simple data files between those systems was considered a "task" ;D let alone networking and communicating them.. and beginner programmers had to choose an environment which was mostly Dos as Unix was for pros ::)
and mainframes were a different class.. ;D and whatever project you develop you had to write all codes for communications ,networking ,file and data transfers and many other things from scratch.. in those days spreadsheets, mail systems were rare or even primitive compared to todays standards.. data warehousing,distributed processing many other things were beyond imagination.. you accept or not , like it or not microsoft ended all these mess and bring many standards.. of course there were other companies who brought succesful software into use.. but now you can find zillions of software that work both in large and small systems which can easily share data.. even your mobile.. thats a good achievement in my dictionary.. and most software development libraries are nearly standard and your code can work on a large scale of computer architecture without modification..
Never had a problem in using RS232 for the transfer of data from Dec UNIX / VMS machines to the target hardware. Just used to specify the RS232 port on the Dec machine, write an RS232 handler for the target microprocessor system and then it was a case of just starting the loader on the micro system and sending the data from the DEC.
Most of the work I did in the early days was in assembler including 6800, 8080, MIL-STD-1750 and 68000 and also designing and building AMD 2900 bit slice based computers using microcode to construct the instruction set. Then went on to do a lot of C programming, but PC's and Windows were well established by then.
I must admit I did like Microsoft's MASM 8080 / Z80 assembler and library system and it made me a lot of money.
VMS was a very good operating system, so much so that Microsoft poached their development team to design and program Windows NT.
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# find / -exec grep -H -n 'Nobody expects the Spanish inquisition' {} \;
Oh.. wait, Windows. There's always Cygwin, I suppose.
Backup "My Documents" to a Linux server and use line 1 above. You will then also have a backup for when your HD crashes.
Just bin windows and use a Linux desktop instead. :y
Linux has a place in life. But its a woeful desktop, IMHO. In fact, as soon as X is installed on Linux, it all goes downhill ::)
Cue the 'real men use the shell'
If you really want to use a *nix like OS, at least run a proper Unix. Have I mentioned Linux is shite? On the upside, its instability helps pay the mortgage ::)
I wouldn't want to use anything else for server admin, but on remote hosting I often have to use Plesk, cPanel or some other form of torture.
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Back to the original post, I've cracked it. On Win7, it is certainly possible to search for a text string, but it is not enabled by default - and it seems quite a few people are not aware of this.
Go to Windows Explorer, select "Organize", then select "Folder and Search Options", then select the "Search" tab, then check the box "Use natural language search".
Job done. :y :y
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Never had a problem in using RS232 for the transfer of data from Dec UNIX / VMS machines to the target hardware. Just used to specify the RS232 port on the Dec machine, write an RS232 handler for the target microprocessor system and then it was a case of just starting the loader on the micro system and sending the data from the DEC.
Most of the work I did in the early days was in assembler including 6800, 8080, MIL-STD-1750 and 68000 and also designing and building AMD 2900 bit slice based computers using microcode to construct the instruction set. Then went on to do a lot of C programming, but PC's and Windows were well established by then.
I must admit I did like Microsoft's MASM 8080 / Z80 assembler and library system and it made me a lot of money.
VMS was a very good operating system, so much so that Microsoft poached their development team to design and program Windows NT.
Brings back a few memories. Cut my teeth on a 6809, and actually used to pinch time on the VAX at my dad's office to cross-assemble for it, until I got a cross assember for my BBC micro.
Came across my old Kaycomp 68000 SBC a while back back. Plugged it into a serial port, fired up minicom, applied power and there it was. Even took a photo or two to preserve the moment ;D
(https://dl.dropbox.com/u/26795734/Photos/OOF/kaycomp.png)
(https://dl.dropbox.com/u/26795734/Photos/OOF/IMGP7064.JPG)
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Back to the original post, I've cracked it. On Win7, it is certainly possible to search for a text string, but it is not enabled by default - and it seems quite a few people are not aware of this.
Go to Windows Explorer, select "Organize", then select "Folder and Search Options", then select the "Search" tab, then check the box "Use natural language search".
Job done. :y :y
Well that was so obvious, what took you so long. :o :o :o :P ;D ;D ;D
That why I hate Windows Vista and 7 as they hide anything useful in the most obscure ways. Windows is fine out of the box as long as all you want to do is browse the Internet and send and receive emails and use MS Office for very basic things as they have hidden many of the useful functions in these.
In engineering the man-machine interface is the most important thing. Make things difficult and people won't use them, hence why I still use Windows XP. But as this will not be supported for much longer and I unfortunately need windows as some of the software I use only runs on this, where do I go from here? When I upgrade my PC I might have to go the Windows 7 root, but I'm certainly not looking forward to it.
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:) You could always do what many others in the industry are now doing and going over to a Linux system. Its not that hard to get used to particularly with the latest ones that have the feel of Windows and best of all most are either free or very low cost.
I do agree with your views though having just tried Windows 8 and that is the biggest load of crap ever released. No wonder the download is a mere 25 quid according to the email offer I got from them.
I presently run Win XP Pro, Win Vista Ultimate, Win 7 Premium as multiple boots cos some of my programs will not work on later ones and also Linux versions Mint and the Windows lookalike I am presently trying out Ubuntu Zorin. Up to now I like Zorin.
As time goes on there will be more and more programs available for Linux and because it is an open scource operating system you can adapt any version to your own needs if you have the knowhow.
Go on....have a try. You might just be surprised. :y
Anyway....Linux boots and closes down way way faster than the godawful minutes it takes windows and there are no almost constant 'updates' that require you to shut down and restart.
No wonder Bill Gates got out when he saw the writing on the wall..........
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:) You could always do what many others in the industry are now doing and going over to a Linux system. Its not that hard to get used to particularly with the latest ones that have the feel of Windows and best of all most are either free or very low cost.
I do agree with your views though having just tried Windows 8 and that is the biggest load of crap ever released. No wonder the download is a mere 25 quid according to the email offer I got from them.
I presently run Win XP Pro, Win Vista Ultimate, Win 7 Premium as multiple boots cos some of my programs will not work on later ones and also Linux versions Mint and the Windows lookalike I am presently trying out Ubuntu Zorin. Up to now I like Zorin.
As time goes on there will be more and more programs available for Linux and because it is an open scource operating system you can adapt any version to your own needs if you have the knowhow.
Go on....have a try. You might just be surprised. :y
Anyway....Linux boots and closes down way way faster than the godawful minutes it takes windows and there are no almost constant 'updates' that require you to shut down and restart.
No wonder Bill Gates got out when he saw the writing on the wall..........
I'm already heavily into Linux where all the websites I develop use this and I've been configuring and using my local and public Linux servers for the last 12 years. But for these where possible I use the shell.
The next desktop PC I build will definitely be duel boot with Linux and I'm not sure what flavour I will use yet along with Windows 7 or 8. I will ask on here for advice at the time.
I'm going to wait for the comments from real users on Win 8 before I make a decision, but I have got the feeling I'm going to really hate it even more than Vista and Win 7, but I've got an open mind and I'm I willing to give it a try.
Once an operating system is not transparent then to me it fails as that is its job. An easy to use intuitive interface from which I can launch programs to get a job of work done, that's what I want and need. MS has been steadily deviating from this path. Now if they had had any sense with Visa and 7, instead of just hiding everything, so a 'tard can use it, they would have had three complexity settings:
1 Basic - The current default so even the Microsoft marketing department understand how to use it.
2. Average - Useful settings enabled to allow the average business person to be able to quickly get the job done.
3. Expert - Everything possible turned on.
Setting 3 may have saved a Windows 7 PC or 2 ending up in TB's bin. ::) ::) ::)
I would be interested in TB's comments on Windows 8 once it is released as he normally likes MS products and thinks they are the B's & E's.
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Brings back a few memories. Cut my teeth on a 6809, and actually used to pinch time on the VAX at my dad's office to cross-assemble for it, until I got a cross assember for my BBC micro.
Bloody rich kids. The rest of us had to had the Spectrum instead ;D
(Although it taught me a lot about Z80, basically a 8080 clone, which itself grew into the lastest Ivy Bridge i7 ;D
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:) You could always do what many others in the industry are now doing and going over to a Linux system. Its not that hard to get used to particularly with the latest ones that have the feel of Windows and best of all most are either free or very low cost.
I do agree with your views though having just tried Windows 8 and that is the biggest load of crap ever released. No wonder the download is a mere 25 quid according to the email offer I got from them.
I presently run Win XP Pro, Win Vista Ultimate, Win 7 Premium as multiple boots cos some of my programs will not work on later ones and also Linux versions Mint and the Windows lookalike I am presently trying out Ubuntu Zorin. Up to now I like Zorin.
As time goes on there will be more and more programs available for Linux and because it is an open scource operating system you can adapt any version to your own needs if you have the knowhow.
Go on....have a try. You might just be surprised. :y
Anyway....Linux boots and closes down way way faster than the godawful minutes it takes windows and there are no almost constant 'updates' that require you to shut down and restart.
No wonder Bill Gates got out when he saw the writing on the wall..........
For the love of god, why do people who say how wonderful Linux is, then go and promote Ubuntu :o
If you must go with a Debian based Linux, at least go for Debian, as its more up to date, and has far better stability and support.
That said, Linux's desktop market share is shrinking, not growing. Its not a viable desktop for most. Some might say its not a viable server for anything useful, but it's uselessness helps pay my mortgage ;D
Most Linux distributions are actually far more expensive than Windows, which is one reason why you're never likely to see it entering into large businesses, the other being application support. Very few will develop good apps for it, because it will never gain a large enough market share.
And, because the desktop is built on top of X11, for historical reasons, it will always be lethargic. X11 is a great system, just not for running locally.
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:) You could always do what many others in the industry are now doing and going over to a Linux system. Its not that hard to get used to particularly with the latest ones that have the feel of Windows and best of all most are either free or very low cost.
I do agree with your views though having just tried Windows 8 and that is the biggest load of crap ever released. No wonder the download is a mere 25 quid according to the email offer I got from them.
I presently run Win XP Pro, Win Vista Ultimate, Win 7 Premium as multiple boots cos some of my programs will not work on later ones and also Linux versions Mint and the Windows lookalike I am presently trying out Ubuntu Zorin. Up to now I like Zorin.
As time goes on there will be more and more programs available for Linux and because it is an open scource operating system you can adapt any version to your own needs if you have the knowhow.
Go on....have a try. You might just be surprised. :y
Anyway....Linux boots and closes down way way faster than the godawful minutes it takes windows and there are no almost constant 'updates' that require you to shut down and restart.
No wonder Bill Gates got out when he saw the writing on the wall..........
I'm already heavily into Linux where all the websites I develop use this and I've been configuring and using my local and public Linux servers for the last 12 years. But for these where possible I use the shell.
The next desktop PC I build will definitely be duel boot with Linux and I'm not sure what flavour I will use yet along with Windows 7 or 8. I will ask on here for advice at the time.
I'm going to wait for the comments from real users on Win 8 before I make a decision, but I have got the feeling I'm going to really hate it even more than Vista and Win 7, but I've got an open mind and I'm I willing to give it a try.
Once an operating system is not transparent then to me it fails as that is its job. An easy to use intuitive interface from which I can launch programs to get a job of work done, that's what I want and need. MS has been steadily deviating from this path. Now if they had had any sense with Visa and 7, instead of just hiding everything, so a 'tard can use it, they would have had three complexity settings:
1 Basic - The current default so even the Microsoft marketing department understand how to use it.
2. Average - Useful settings enabled to allow the average business person to be able to quickly get the job done.
3. Expert - Everything possible turned on.
Setting 3 may have saved a Windows 7 PC or 2 ending up in TB's bin. ::) ::) ::)
I would be interested in TB's comments on Windows 8 once it is released as he normally likes MS products and thinks they are the B's & E's.
I don't think Vista/Win7 options are hidden. There are more of them, so Control Panel is pretty full, but the NT6 mindset of doing things is search. So, to adjsut laptop screen brightness, Windows + "screen brig" + Enter will take you to the exact place. Faster than Windows + Control Panel + Hardware and Sound + Power Options
I think most of Vista's problems were stuck-in-the-mud journos too lazy to spend a bit of effort learning a newer, faster, more productive way of working, instead finding it easier to just say "its crap".
TBH, it was the same in the W2K to XP transision, although many used missed that, and did a W9x to XP transision. Dodgy driver incomaptibilities aside, even XP must have been a welcome relief from the dire Win9x... ...yet I know people now you still stick with W98, as they don't like XP :o
Win8 adds a new twist on using Windows, as it tries to create a combined tablet and desktop OS. First time I saw it, I hated it as much as I hated Vista initially. Stick with it, and learn the new ways, and you start to "get it", and realise there are some very good things in it. I know some will struggle over the fact there is no Start button, but that was deprecated in Vista in reality. I think many of the better IT journos (which rules out the ones writing in magazines you see in a Newsagent) are now starting to get to grips with Win8, and understand it, rather than the laziness "its different, and I'm a God, so why should I learn it".
Win8 has been a difficult transision for me, as so many apps and utils in my collection seem to fall over with it, including some very key ones for me. Which is understandable for Pre Release software. Most now seem to work, due to a combination of MS fixing things, and the application developers getting their stuff to work with the new OS.
Will I upgrade? Media Center, definately not. MCE is a chargable extra for Win8, in addition a key piece of (now abandonned) software I use on it is not Win8 compatible. Desktop? Possibly, although more likely I'll wait and get a new desktop with Win8, as my old Dell is getting long in the tooth (Core2 Quad). Laptop? Its running Pre Release Win8 anyway. It will probably go back to Win7 again, as I'm sure the Pre Release licence runs out when the new OS is released. For same reasons as the Dell, I'd probably buy a new laptop to replace this aging one (Core2 Duo) which has seen far to much action in its life ;D.
Thus, at this stage, I don't think, unlike the pre-order for Win7, I'll be taking MS up on their £50 pre-order Win8.... ....hmmm, then again, it would mean I have a cheap copy should I need a licence...