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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: cleggy on 07 November 2012, 06:05:33
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Obama for another fours years, Romney has just conceded defeat.
I don't know enough about American poitics to comment, so I'll wait for Rods2 ;) ;) :y
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He would have got my vote, I like him. He had done very well considering how Bush left it all.
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The lesser of 2 evils, IMO, and certainly the one I would prefer go see sat with his finger on "the button"
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The lesser of 2 evils, IMO, and certainly the one I would prefer go see sat with his finger on "the button"
Exactly my view. Romney hardly knew where Europe or anywhere else in the World was, never mind about how to deal with international affairs.
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as I said president is just a figure .. they sign what they are ordered to.. watch the speech of Obama when he was first selected.. and look his answers to questions.. there are dark areas that he cant answer..
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I think the world is a slightly safer place this morning than it might have been..... :-\
O'Bummer needs to crack on and work with the Republicans in congress to avoid the 'Fiscal cliff' that is looming in January. If they can't work together and the scheduled tax rises and austerity measures come into force, then the effects on the global economy look pretty dire!! I expect they will sort it out, but expect horsetrading and brinkmanship that will make the EU debt summits look like kids birthday parties! ::) ;)
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With the Senate and the House of Representatives still on opposite sides, I'm afraid the "stalemate" of the last 4 years will continue.... not Obama's fault, but he is, effectively, leading a coalition of which he has little control.
Good side .. no extreme policies will get through
Bad side.. even sensible policies are "horsetraded" by both sides to obtain maximum benefit elsewhere
result ... much stalemate... :(
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Working in an American company I know .. well, quite a few Americans.
Most seem to be happy to see Obama in office.. one, however, came to work this morning wearing all black and is officially "in mourning" for his country. He believes Obama will be the last ever US president thanks to the forthcoming world war that will be, in part, triggered by his election....
...no, I'm not even kidding.
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Not keen on either. But Obama is probably the lesser of two evils.
Is it true that George Bush Junior voted for Obama by mistake? :)
He's not the sharpest tool in the box. ::) ::) :)
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Not keen on either. But Obama is probably the lesser of two evils.
Is it true that George Bush Junior voted for Obama by mistake? :)
He's not the sharpest tool in the box. ::) ::) :)
Ha Ha That certainly wouldn't surprise me!!! ;D In fact I don't think I'd be that surprised if it turned out that Romney had voted for Obama.... ::)
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imo he has to do only one thing.. nationalise FED.. and write his name into history .. and free up the nation..
as a dead president :-X
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worth reading..
http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/14-reasons-why-we-should-nationalize-the-federal-reserve (http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/14-reasons-why-we-should-nationalize-the-federal-reserve)
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In 2010 I was in the US having dinner with some people in the Mid West (Indiana). The conversation turned to politics and of course Obama.
I was absolutely shocked at the anti-Obama venom at the table. On a whole pile of topics but in particular "Omaba-Care", the view was that nobody should get anything for nothing, if we rich people have to pay for healthcare then why don't the poor people ? I'm not exactly a lefty socialist, but I really had to clam up or risk getting lynched. :-X
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One of my colleagues is currently, essentially, saying that everyone who voted for Obama deserves a slow, painful death..
[edit] American colleague.
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One of my colleagues is currently, essentially, saying that everyone who voted for Obama deserves a slow, painful death..
[edit] American colleague.
I think that about those who voted for some of OUR politicians ;)
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My mate works in Houston, Texas and he said he's keeping his head down today as everyone is grumpy, but especially his boss!!!! ;D
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One of my colleagues is currently, essentially, saying that everyone who voted for Obama deserves a slow, painful death..
[edit] American colleague.
I think that about those who voted for some of OUR politicians ;)
Hand on heart, I have never knowingly voted for Capitan SmarmytosspotTony B Liar :y And I'm fairly confident that no one, right minded or otherwise, voted for Gordoon Broon ::)
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I have trouble understanding the "lesser of two evils" comments tbh. The markets certainly didnt agree as $60 billion was wiped off shares in Wall St. yesterday.
I have little doubt that Obama has studied and copied the New Labour model of governing and winning elections. Its hard to be believe of a country which became the most successful in the world through one basic principal - "If your prepared to work hard you will achieve your dreams", - but 47% of Americans now rely on the Govt. for at least some of their income.
He is creating a client state for the same criminally cynical reasons that McRuin created a client state in the U.K. If people depend on the Govt. to take care of them,they wont vote in another which doesnt promise to continue along the same path.Turkeys dont vote for Christmas.
This type of Govt. has brought the U.K. to the brink of ruin,and even though McRuin got things into such an abominable mess that even his client state eventually meant he couldnt win an election,it was much closer than it would ever have been previously. He lost by such a small margin that it took a week to prise his fingernails off his desk in number 10.Previously it could have been expected to have been a bloodbath which would have taken them a generation to recover from.
Although this did very serious and irrepairable damge to this country,on a global scale it doesnt affect the big picture that much.
If the same thing happens in the U.S it will potentially do the same thing to their country,which may well cause very serious damage to an already extremely weak global economy.
I predict that in 4 years time, many Americans and many more people around the world will bitterly regret the election of the most left wing president the U.S has ever had.
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Surprisingly maybe ? but Littlejohn wrote a very good article about this in the Mail today.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2229515/US-election-result-2012-Forget-hope-change-victory-fear-loathing.html
A lot of stuff in there that we dont get to hear about on this side of the pond.
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We spoke to our friends in Louisiana on Skype yesterday they are absolutely horrified Obama got in again, known them for 10 years and never seen them so down and dejected.
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It's the Economy, Stupid.
I can't remember who wrote this, but he basically said the fatal floor of democracy is that the majority of people will always vote for the person that offers them the most of other peoples money. When the money runs out, which it is in the US and Western Europe from too expensive to afford social systems, he said at that point democracy will be replaced by a dictatorship.
So interesting times lie ahead.
Unfortunately, you have somebody who has never had a job in Industry Obama trying to fix the biggest economy in the world, personally I would trust a self-made businessman who had created a $200m fortune. To make that sort of money you have to be good, because creating a large business is like being a top sportsman, if you can't cut it and aren't good enough then you get found out and lose by getting taken over or going bust.
But at the end of the day the US has the right of self determination and can choose whoever they like for President, so good luck to them. It is certainly going to make the Fiscal Cliff interesting as the lower house ruled by the Republicans won't work with him, because of his breaking of protocol and political ethics over getting Obamacare through. Having a socialist President is probably good for the UK economically as we will have less competition from US companies, hence their shares tanking. It is also why the UK had no rise in share prices for 8 years from 2000 under Labour.
There is no doubt as taxes go up, so the American dream is dying, but never rule the US out it might be down a bit, but they have certainly got the resources to reinvent themselves and to make a come back. The average American is still very hard working. But, the odds are still on the 21st century belonging to much of Asia, Russia and much of South America. I have my doubts on China lasting the course to join the 20/50 club, due to their leadership change going to conservatives and it being an inflexible dictatorship and their poor demographics and rising wages and cost, which means it will be the other Asian tigers. The country to watch is India, their population size, demographics, extended family system (so no expensive wealth draining social system), good education, good work ethic puts them in a strong position, their biggest problems are vested interests, corruption and the caste system.
Why the US economy will recover, can be explained in 4 words. Shale gas and oil. This is giving them a major cost advantage for high energy industries, which include the steel and chemical industries, who are now investing $30bn in new plant in the US. Other jobs are being repatriated where labour costs are going up in China and down in the US.
The danger for the US and the UK is that we both have to many jobsworth, talent less, smooth talking career politicians, who are totally ill suited to running a country.
A good example is George Osborne, who after taking a degree in history had two non-jobs before joining Conservative central office as a researcher and then getting safe seat to become an MP. So you can see he is well qualified to run the world's 7th largest economy. David Cameron history is similar where he was a very junior PR spiv, before joining Central Office and getting a safe seat, so is it any surprise, they are both so poor at their jobs. The commons on both side of the house are full of these useless jobsworths, that would struggle to hold down a job as burger flipper, shelf stacker or cashier in a petrol station. Although rumour has it that one or two do moonlight at petrol stations in the Brackley area.
I saw an interesting thing recently on some stats on a company of 650 and it made horrendous reading on how dysfunctional they were. It was something along the lines of 87 had been convicted of drink driving in the last 4 years, 81 had a credit score so bad they can't get a credit card, 10 have been previously bankrupt etc etc. The 650 are our MPs.
The western world has a crisis of democracy along with an economic crisis, with the former causing a lot of the later, which is going to be fatal for many countries.
Vote UKIP. At least Nigel Farage has had a real job, working in the banking industry. He is very astute on economic matters.
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Thanks Rods2 as I said in the original post you'd be along to explain it. :y :y :y
Yes VOTE UKIP
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It's the Economy, Stupid.
I can't remember who wrote this, but he basically said the fatal floor of democracy is that the majority of people will always vote for the person that offers them the most of other peoples money. When the money runs out, which it is in the US and Western Europe from too expensive to afford social systems, he said at that point democracy will be replaced by a dictatorship.
So interesting times lie ahead.
Unfortunately, you have somebody who has never had a job in Industry Obama trying to fix the biggest economy in the world, personally I would trust a self-made businessman who had created a $200m fortune. To make that sort of money you have to be good, because creating a large business is like being a top sportsman, if you can't cut it and aren't good enough then you get found out and lose by getting taken over or going bust.
But at the end of the day the US has the right of self determination and can choose whoever they like for President, so good luck to them. It is certainly going to make the Fiscal Cliff interesting as the lower house ruled by the Republicans won't work with him, because of his breaking of protocol and political ethics over getting Obamacare through. Having a socialist President is probably good for the UK economically as we will have less competition from US companies, hence their shares tanking. It is also why the UK had no rise in share prices for 8 years from 2000 under Labour.
There is no doubt as taxes go up, so the American dream is dying, but never rule the US out it might be down a bit, but they have certainly got the resources to reinvent themselves and to make a come back. The average American is still very hard working. But, the odds are still on the 21st century belonging to much of Asia, Russia and much of South America. I have my doubts on China lasting the course to join the 20/50 club, due to their leadership change going to conservatives and it being an inflexible dictatorship and their poor demographics and rising wages and cost, which means it will be the other Asian tigers. The country to watch is India, their population size, demographics, extended family system (so no expensive wealth draining social system), good education, good work ethic puts them in a strong position, their biggest problems are vested interests, corruption and the caste system.
Why the US economy will recover, can be explained in 4 words. Shale gas and oil. This is giving them a major cost advantage for high energy industries, which include the steel and chemical industries, who are now investing $30bn in new plant in the US. Other jobs are being repatriated where labour costs are going up in China and down in the US.
The danger for the US and the UK is that we both have to many jobsworth, talent less, smooth talking career politicians, who are totally ill suited to running a country.
A good example is George Osborne, who after taking a degree in history had two non-jobs before joining Conservative central office as a researcher and then getting safe seat to become an MP. So you can see he is well qualified to run the world's 7th largest economy. David Cameron history is similar where he was a very junior PR spiv, before joining Central Office and getting a safe seat, so is it any surprise, they are both so poor at their jobs. The commons on both side of the house are full of these useless jobsworths, that would struggle to hold down a job as burger flipper, shelf stacker or cashier in a petrol station. Although rumour has it that one or two do moonlight at petrol stations in the Brackley area.
I saw an interesting thing recently on some stats on a company of 650 and it made horrendous reading on how dysfunctional they were. It was something along the lines of 87 had been convicted of drink driving in the last 4 years, 81 had a credit score so bad they can't get a credit card, 10 have been previously bankrupt etc etc. The 650 are our MPs.
The western world has a crisis of democracy along with an economic crisis, with the former causing a lot of the later, which is going to be fatal for many countries.
Vote UKIP. At least Nigel Farage has had a real job, working in the banking industry. He is very astute on economic matters.
Rods, you are criticising the US president with a capitalist view but problem is you dont ask the question how he landed there , who landed him and why ?
answer is simple.. because the system requires a weak president to sign whatever the capital gods want!!! he was selected and prepared long time ago ..
any president passing the red line will be down .. history prooven fact..
however, if a tycoon is choosen to be the president of USA, you can forget justice,health system, education, worker rights completely..
just have a look at this link.. and please tell me what you think.. :)
http://www.commoncause.org/site/pp.asp?c=dkLNK1MQIwG&b=4923173 (http://www.commoncause.org/site/pp.asp?c=dkLNK1MQIwG&b=4923173)
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The problem with your theory is Cem - the tycoon didnt get the job. The left wing,financially ignorant one who has caused a lot of damage to the capitalists got it. ;)
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Obama is being "blamed" for the forthcoming "cliff" .. but if you actually read the details ... it would probably suit his cause .... enforced lower spending and higher taxes .. it is the Republicans that would suffer more .. they are the ones wanting less taxes and more spending !!!
So, who REALLY needs to compromise ??? I suggest it is the Republicans ....
But to admit that would be a "weakness" and the Republicans don't do "weakness" ... so they will hang out and try and shift the blame on "weak leadership" .. because he won't do as they want he must be weak ...
Strange how some folks try and change the meaning of words to suit themselves .... :)
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personally I would trust a self-made businessman who had created a $200m fortune. To make that sort of money you have to be good,
Where does Berlasconi fit in that analogy?
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Can well imagine the Republicans want lower taxes,but I seriously doubt they also want higher spending.
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/interactive/2012/09/20129308542614575.html
Higher spending and higher taxes is the road to ruin,they only need to look at this country to see the direction that road leads,or to southern European countries to view its destination.
I believe Churchill said something to the effect "trying to improve the economy of a country by raising taxes is like standing in a bucket and trying to lift yourself up by pulling on the handle".
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The 'Fiscal Cliff' as I understand it is more about the expiration of temporary tax cuts applied by the Bush administration in the early 2000's, than the Democrat government suddenly 'hiking' taxes to pay for their socialist agenda..... In fact you could say that it was a trip wire laid by George Bush for a second term Democrat president. ::)
Of course had Romney got in there would be no dilemma, he would extend the tax cuts for another 8 years and all the spending cuts would have come from the welfare budget and Medicare... :-\
It will be an interesting one to watch and of course with US troops scaling back in Afganistan maybe Obama will have a 'Peace dividend' to spend on Obamacare.... :-\ But with Iranian airforce jets shooting at a US drone allegedly over international waters in the gulf last week, maybe not!!! :-\
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The problem with your theory is Cem - the tycoon didnt get the job. The left wing,financially ignorant one who has caused a lot of damage to the capitalists got it. ;)
Albs, you are missing an important point.. tycoons are so clever that they manage the whole country behind the curtain.. presidents are nothing more than an elected burocrat compared to them.. in fact, tycoons manage the whole world except some countries where they are trying some ways of "orange revolution" ;D
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personally I would trust a self-made businessman who had created a $200m fortune. To make that sort of money you have to be good,
Where does Berlusconi fit in that analogy?
;D ;D ;D this man is really an interesting "example" ;D
and I'm really curious how italian mafia permit such a kind ?
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personally I would trust a self-made businessman who had created a $200m fortune. To make that sort of money you have to be good,
Where does Berlasconi fit in that analogy?
Mafia ::) ::)
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personally I would trust a self-made businessman who had created a $200m fortune. To make that sort of money you have to be good,
Where does Berlusconi fit in that analogy?
;D ;D ;D this man is really an interesting "example" ;D
and I'm really curious how italian mafia permit such a kind ?
Easy, he has strong connections ::) ::) ::)
In the UK we have a saying: You scratch my back and I'll scratch yours.