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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: robson on 12 November 2012, 15:55:42

Title: Heater Hoses
Post by: robson on 12 November 2012, 15:55:42
My heater hoses go to a pump? mounted on the left side  of the engine bay looking from the front these hoses get hot even though I have no heating switched on is this right does this pump?  allow a flow all the time or should it only allow flow when heat is required in cabin.
Title: Re: Heater Hoses
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 12 November 2012, 15:58:50
If I recall correctly the HBV controls the input of heat into the cabin when required.

The hoses will always become hot but the HBV stops the flow until 'told' otherwise.
Title: Re: Heater Hoses
Post by: robson on 13 November 2012, 09:10:38
Thanks Lizzie is that a pump and what is its function I am looking for a reason  other than the stat for a low engine temp Trying to avoid the stat change. :'(
Title: Re: Heater Hoses
Post by: Kevin Wood on 13 November 2012, 09:36:45
I'm afraid, if it's running cool, it's probably the thermostat.

Heater flow is only blocked off when the climate is set to "LO" and air conditioning is active, IIRC.
Title: Re: Heater Hoses
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 13 November 2012, 09:57:16
And the pump is there to push hot water from the head through the heater matrix giving faster cabin heatup times.
Title: Re: Heater Hoses
Post by: Andy B on 13 November 2012, 10:16:28
If I recall correctly the HBV controls the input of heat into the cabin when required.

The hoses will always become hot but the HBV stops the flow until 'told' otherwise.

You're at crossed purposes Lizzie. There's a pump on some cars under the header tank as well as the HBV ...... 2 separate things  :y
Title: Re: Heater Hoses
Post by: Entwood on 13 November 2012, 10:22:49
If I recall correctly the HBV controls the input of heat into the cabin when required.

The hoses will always become hot but the HBV stops the flow until 'told' otherwise.

You're at crossed purposes Lizzie. There's a pump on some cars under the header tank as well as the HBV ...... 2 separate things  :y

But that pump only works when the engine is NOT running and you select heat to the cabin, its part of the "winter pack" and has nothing to do woth "normal" flow when the engine is running.

At least that is how I understand it, and how mine works !!!
Title: Re: Heater Hoses
Post by: Andy B on 13 November 2012, 10:45:59
If I recall correctly the HBV controls the input of heat into the cabin when required.

The hoses will always become hot but the HBV stops the flow until 'told' otherwise.

You're at crossed purposes Lizzie. There's a pump on some cars under the header tank as well as the HBV ...... 2 separate things  :y

But that pump only works when the engine is NOT running and you select heat to the cabin, its part of the "winter pack" and has nothing to do woth "normal" flow when the engine is running.

At least that is how I understand it, and how mine works !!!

I don't have one on my car, but Mark, above, suggests otherwise ..... "And the pump is there to push hot water from the head through the heater matrix giving faster cabin heatup times." But I believe it also does as you say when parked up.  :-\
Title: Re: Heater Hoses
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 13 November 2012, 14:48:07
If I recall correctly the HBV controls the input of heat into the cabin when required.

The hoses will always become hot but the HBV stops the flow until 'told' otherwise.

You're at crossed purposes Lizzie. There's a pump on some cars under the header tank as well as the HBV ...... 2 separate things  :y

Ah!  Thanks Andy :y

Didn't know that.  With mine, as with so many older car designs, I always thought the main engine water pump supplies the pressure to the whole system. 

You never stop learning with miggies! :D
Title: Re: Heater Hoses
Post by: symes on 13 November 2012, 18:21:50
If I recall correctly the HBV controls the input of heat into the cabin when required.

The hoses will always become hot but the HBV stops the flow until 'told' otherwise.

You're at crossed purposes Lizzie. There's a pump on some cars under the header tank as well as the HBV ...... 2 separate things  :y

Ah!  Thanks Andy :y

Didn't know that.  With mine, as with so many older car designs, I always thought the main engine water pump supplies the pressure to the whole system. 

You never stop learning with miggies! :D
Especialy v6 ones  ;D ;D :D
Title: Re: Heater Hoses
Post by: robson on 14 November 2012, 22:06:24
I am still confused.What is the pump in the heater hoses for and when should it be running :-[
Title: Re: Heater Hoses
Post by: Kevin Wood on 15 November 2012, 16:17:25
I am still confused.What is the pump in the heater hoses for and when should it be running :-[

It's there to circulate coolant through the heater matrix. This is normally done by the main engine water pump. The additional pump allows the climate control to use heat stored in the engine to keep the car warm while the car is temporarily parked. It may also run to boost the flow available from the engine coolant pump.*

* - I only ever provoked mine into running when the climate was turned on with the engine stopped although I guess it might run at other times to boost the flow available (e.g. when the engine is still warming up and the coolant is not up to full temperature or when outside temperature is extremely cold).

Incidentally, I removed mine during my LPG conversion and have noticed no reduction in heating. Might have been a different story if I lived in northern Canada, I guess. :-\
Title: Re: Heater Hoses
Post by: robson on 15 November 2012, 21:33:19
The pump must have a bypass so that there can be flow when the pump isnt  running perhaps the pump only boosts the flow when required. Does the heater matrix have heat all the time and we only realise that  when the fan switches on to transfer heat to the cabin.