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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Marie on 28 April 2008, 15:31:40
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Well ok i got the quotes in today to repair my gearbox and torque converter.
Well these are the options:
Option 1- Have been offered a gearbox from lee off the forum and i source a torque converter to go withit. price?????
Option 2 - Have been quoted £400 to have the box that is fitted to the car fixed and the torque converter reconed at £400.
EDIT: just had another quote com in £280 all in to fix the one on the car.
Option 3 - Have sourced a gearbox and TC of a P plate at a breakers yard that comes with 30days warrenty. £100 for the box and £60 ish quid postage. its in kent.
i would love to get the one on the car fixed but when hubby found out it was going to be £400 notes he went mental. :( i can see his point
Stuck in a rut and dont know what to do. :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/
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Option 3 seems to be the best bet although 1 could be ok depending on cost.
£60 postage?! :o Wouldn't it be better to collect - also saves breaking the poor postie's back! ;D
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got to option 1
lee wouldnt sell you a duff box (well i hope not :) )
get the tc from the breakers
best of both then
which ever way you go i wish you good luck with your car and hope it works out all ok
Andy
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i agree. :y
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whats the deal with the quote of £280 to fix the one on the car?
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whats the deal with the quote of £280 to fix the one on the car?
This is the other garage witin our area the one i told you about on saturday.
His words were " this price could rise should we encounter any problems or find that the problem stated is not the case"
i dont recon the bloke thinks i know what i am talkin about :-/ cos i is a woman.
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whats the deal with the quote of £280 to fix the one on the car?
This is the other garage witin our area the one i told you about on saturday.
His words were " this price could rise should we encounter any problems or find that the problem stated is not the case"
i dont recon the bloke thinks i know what i am talkin about :-/ cos i is a woman.
I wonder when Matchless plans to remove his low mileage AR25 which had a recent fluid change, will surplus to requirements, known good and not need.....
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whats the deal with the quote of £280 to fix the one on the car?
This is the other garage witin our area the one i told you about on saturday.
His words were " this price could rise should we encounter any problems or find that the problem stated is not the case"
i dont recon the bloke thinks i know what i am talkin about :-/ cos i is a woman.
I wonder when Matchless plans to remove his low mileage AR25 which had a recent fluid change, will surplus to requirements, known good and not need.....
God i would have it if its got a torque converter with it! if not i could try and source a TC but most breakers wont sell them without the gearbox:(
EDIT: this is why i havent said yes to Lee yet. as his TC is for a 2.5ltr
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whats the deal with the quote of £280 to fix the one on the car?
This is the other garage witin our area the one i told you about on saturday.
His words were " this price could rise should we encounter any problems or find that the problem stated is not the case"
i dont recon the bloke thinks i know what i am talkin about :-/ cos i is a woman.
I wonder when Matchless plans to remove his low mileage AR25 which had a recent fluid change, will surplus to requirements, known good and not need.....
God i would have it if its got a torque converter with it! if not i could try and source a TC but most breakers wont sell them without the gearbox:(
EDIT: this is why i havent said yes to Lee yet. as his TC is for a 2.5ltr
His is a 2.5 as well......not sure that would make a big difference though.
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I dont know i was told by a gearboxgarage that i couldnt use it as the ratios are completely different.
ill post the question in the help section to see what response i get.
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I take it the £400 is if we take the box out and give it to them as oposed to giving them the car
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Option 1- If the gearbox is Ok then fine. I would want to know where the torque converter came from too, as if that's full of crud from a dead gearbox it could land you in trouble. High risk strategy I'd say.
Option 2 - High cost but you know the gearbox is good. Sounds like too much money, tbh. Lowest mechanical risk though.
280 all in to fix the one on the car. - still fairly costly.
Option 3 - P plate is an old car. I wonder how many miles? Warranty is all very well but you've lost a day of your time every time you do a gearbox change. Could get a better one cheaper I reckon.
Ideally, a 2nd hand gearbox and torque converter together that are known to have been cared for, the bush not mullered during removal from the car, etc would be the best option. If a 2.5 torque converter will work it opens up the options considerably. I'm guessing if it physically fits but is different you'll just lose a little performance because it will have been set up for an engine that generates a bit more torque so your stall speed will be a little low.
Kevin
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I have just got a phone call from another breaker in southampton.
£190 +vat with 90days warrenty. its on a R reg with 110 on the clock. Car has had a back end sunt and is not cost effective to repair, they have only had the car for around a week to 10days, so its not been sat for long.
Jase is lookin at the replace route as it will only be one days mess about and its cheaper. then havin to find help for 2 weekends while the TC is away for reckon. i still have my ears pinned back for all your advice and Jase can have his opioin but i get the final say! ;D ;D
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I dont know i was told by a gearboxgarage that i couldnt use it as the ratios are completely different.
ill post the question in the help section to see what response i get.
i imagine the ar25 ratios will be identical. TC obviously won't affect ratios either.
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ok so what you think is that a tc off a 2.5 will work on a 2ltr?
if i was to try it what would happen?
my engine blows up? how would it effect my lpg?
is it worth trying it and at what cost?
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got to option 1
lee wouldnt sell you a duff box (well i hope not :) )get the tc from the breakers
best of both then
which ever way you go i wish you good luck with your car and hope it works out all ok
Andy
I hope not as well ;D but i have explaned that i havent driven the car at high speed or for a long distance. And i'll offer a money back 30days warrenty to top it as i cant promise anything.
lee
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got to option 1
lee wouldnt sell you a duff box (well i hope not :) )get the tc from the breakers
best of both then
which ever way you go i wish you good luck with your car and hope it works out all ok
Andy
I hope not as well ;D but i have explaned that i havent driven the car at high speed or for a long distance. And i'll offer a money back 30days warrenty to top it as i cant promise anything.
lee
i am truely greatfull for this Lee just looking at all the options and i am havin snags sourcing a 2lt TC without box at present:(
as we talked about you will be the first to know what going on as soon as i know:)
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am i correct in thinking that you are junking a perfectly good gearbox for the sake of a bush?
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am i correct in thinking that you are junking a perfectly good gearbox for the sake of a bush?
I think she is unable to locate the leak...
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am i correct in thinking that you are junking a perfectly good gearbox for the sake of a bush?
the cost of fitting a new bush is around the £100 mark and i wouldnt dare to do it my self.
the other problem is finding a 2ltr TC. which at present i cant find and i know the safe bet is to fix the gearbox i have got which is what i would like to do but hubby says no to £400.
What would you do?
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am i correct in thinking that you are junking a perfectly good gearbox for the sake of a bush?
I think she is unable to locate the leak...
She knows whats causing the leak..... ;D ;D it a tits pump bush. which has scored the Torque Converter and so i have been told needs reconditionin or replacing. (the TC)
best quote so far is £285. to fix it, then i have to organise the logistics of getting the box off and on again :)
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have you had the pump bolts undone?
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have you had the pump bolts undone?
No i havent. the tc seal has been changed and had no effect.
i just want my car 100% now its drivin me mad
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did you change the bell housing?
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am i correct in thinking that you are junking a perfectly good gearbox for the sake of a bush?
We're looking at replacing the bush (and, probably, the seal again) and the nose of the torque converter is shot. It seems the cost of the torque converter referb is probably the killer. I wonder if replacing the bush and retaining the gearbox plus sourcing a decent torque converter is an option.
Marie - do you know how the cost breaks down between the TC refurb and bush replacement? I can't see the bush being a terribly big job for someone who is used to working on these things. Surely just a matter of removing the bellhousing, drifting the bush out, pressing a new one in and reassembling with a new gasket.
With the number of dead AR25s around and the possibility of using a 2.5 TC that's got to be worth a thought - if we can suitably guarantee the TC is not contaminated?
When unlocked the TC does give a variable reduction in gear in rough proportion to the torque output of the engine so a 2.0 driving a TC designed for a 2.5 will not reach quite such a low ratio, hence why I say it might take the edge off the acceleration. Quite how noticeable this will be I can't say. Might even give better fuel consumption in exchange...
It certainly won't do any harm.
Kevin
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did you change the bell housing?
Nope we didnt the old bell housing i have got doesnt look to healthy.
Kevin your right the TC refirb is the killer £180 + vat. so around the £80 to £100 mark to do the bush.
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the seal sits further up than the bush on the tc,point being the nose of the tc may be shot but that should't affect the seal.tunnies tc on his gearbox was as bent as a banana but it still sealed.it is not uncommon for the pump bolts to leak oil in the bellhousing as they are under pump pressure.
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the seal sits further up than the bush on the tc,point being the nose of the tc may be shot but that should't affect the seal.tunnies tc on his gearbox was as bent as a banana but it still sealed.it is not uncommon for the pump bolts to leak oil in the bellhousing as they are under pump pressure.
their was no tel tail signs of this. i.e. oil around the bolt heads.
you could see the oil from the tc seal area though.
oh buy the way thankyou for you help and advice :)
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was the old seal crushed ie was the centre part of the seal intact?(if a tc is running badly out of true it tends to oval out the centre of the seal)
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Has it been confirmed that it's still leaking? Other than a few drips that would undoubtedly be remnants of our disturbing it? I guess it depends if the movement on the TC nose is small enough to be taken up by the seal.
There did appear to be scoring right up the TC nose though. :-/
Kevin
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was the old seal crushed ie was the centre part of the seal intact?(if a tc is running badly out of true it tends to oval out the centre of the seal)
Thats just it the seal looked ok. and it would explain why the new seal has made no difference what so ever.
What shall i do?
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Has it been confirmed that it's still leaking? Other than a few drips that would undoubtedly be remnants of our disturbing it? I guess it depends if the movement on the TC nose is small enough to be taken up by the seal.
There did appear to be scoring right up the TC nose though. :-/
Kevin
Jase has taken it out tonight i will know defo at the weekend if it is ill do another level check. i am 80% sure it is ill have a look tomorrow when i finish work under the car for the usuall puddle.
sorry guys i have to go now to study and get some sleep have my explosives exam in the mornin :( ill be back online tomorrow. :)
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I really wish we'd had a more thorough look ourselves now. The diagnosis from the gearbox place sounded pretty conclusive but maybe he spotted the scoring and didn't look any further. >:(
It did look like the seal was the source though.
Hope the exam goes well, Marie. :y
Kevin