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Well thats what I thought - worst sounding mp3 player wins because of its brand
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Well thats what I thought - worst sounding mp3 player wins because of its brand
thats how sony survivie ;)
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I,m so glad it's not just me that thinks so.
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Shows like this are dumbed down to the point of being useless these days. The manufacturer who takes the production team to be best lap dancing joint probably wins. >:(
Kevin
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Actually the Sony was by far and away the best sounding but it lost because it wasn't an I**d.
Creative also make good mp3 players - do they get recognised - nope again not an I**d
Worst sounding was the Ipod then Creative then the SOny - I read a good review on theregister about these sorts of players.
Do any of them sound as good as my MD portable with Sennheiser PX100s?
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the only reason the ipod won was the fact that they seem to have a monopoly on video downloads and wont let the others have access,thus making it a bit pointless buying them. where are the monopolies commision when we need them >:(
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Actually the Sony was by far and away the best sounding but it lost because it wasn't an I**d.
Creative also make good mp3 players - do they get recognised - nope again not an I**d
Worst sounding was the Ipod then Creative then the SOny - I read a good review on theregister about these sorts of players.
Do any of them sound as good as my MD portable with Sennheiser PX100s?
And you don't think The Register are not bias?
IME, ipod sounds much, much better than the creative and a Sony one I tried. I wouldn't buy an iPod on principle of the fact that I'm not gay, but you can't deny that as a device for the masses, it works well, and seamlessly.
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And you don't think The Register are not bias?
IME, ipod sounds much, much better than the creative and a Sony one I tried. I wouldn't buy an iPod on principle of the fact that I'm not gay, but you can't deny that as a device for the masses, it works well, and seamlessly.
Less biased than GS I think - I have the same issues as you with ipods .
If I was going to buy a portable music player.
1) Not apple (I'm not gay)
2) Good sounding
3) I can use Windows explorer to load it
4) Gapless playback
5) Uses lots of formats
Anyway who would spend nearly £2 on a music video download, you would either record it off TV or as I expect most portable video players to do is use obtained from intenet TV programmes.
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I am one of those who CHOSE to buy an ipod, however i binned the standard heaset and bought a pair of Sennheiser CX400's that really improved the sound.
I am going to take the moral high ground here, i buy all my music content, i have seen many people download complete crap via torrents, and having bought the item i am then allowed to transfer it into a meduim i want to listen to it on.
I am a mac user anyway having binned windows so don't need wondows explorer, i have gapless playback on my ipod and via itunes.
Video d/l doesn't do it for my, my ipod get used in the car via my harman kardon kit or when i am on the train.
The bottm line is if the goods were not that good then people wouldn't have bought them, yes apple have slick marketing that helps, but Sony are capable of the same.
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And you don't think The Register are not bias?
IME, ipod sounds much, much better than the creative and a Sony one I tried. I wouldn't buy an iPod on principle of the fact that I'm not gay, but you can't deny that as a device for the masses, it works well, and seamlessly.
Less biased than GS I think - I have the same issues as you with ipods .
If I was going to buy a portable music player.
1) Not apple (I'm not gay)
2) Good sounding
3) I can use Windows explorer to load it
4) Gapless playback
5) Uses lots of formats
Anyway who would spend nearly £2 on a music video download, you would either record it off TV or as I expect most portable video players to do is use obtained from intenet TV programmes.
Apple make some good stuff, its the iPod I don't like. Its better with a phone built in, but that has some rough edges as well...
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Anyway who would spend nearly £2 on a music video download, you would either record it off TV or as I expect most portable video players to do is use obtained from intenet TV programmes.
This is what amazes me about these things :o
I am quite happy to pay 10 or 15 quid for an album on CD or video on DVD but a DRM-crippled, low bit-rate file on an IPod is worthless to me - video, audio or both. Why would anyone pay for it?
I guess it's because they're too lazy to figure out how to rip their CDs, or that their ears can't distinguish the fact that the quality is sh1te.
It's actually quite nice to build up a collection of music / DVDs but what pride can you have in a collection of files on your IPod? (until someone nicks it or Jobs throws the big switch and turns off your "rights").
Kevin
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Anyway who would spend nearly £2 on a music video download, you would either record it off TV or as I expect most portable video players to do is use obtained from intenet TV programmes.
This is what amazes me about these things :o
I am quite happy to pay 10 or 15 quid for an album on CD or video on DVD but a DRM-crippled, low bit-rate file on an IPod is worthless to me - video, audio or both. Why would anyone pay for it?
I guess it's because they're too lazy to figure out how to rip their CDs, or that their ears can't distinguish the fact that the quality is sh1te.
It's actually quite nice to build up a collection of music / DVDs but what pride can you have in a collection of files on your IPod? (until someone nicks it or Jobs throws the big switch and turns off your "rights").
Kevin
I like music my music, i have it in just about every format from vinyl through to digital, however i am not a dyed in the wool audiophile.
The mediums i use for listening to do the job to a standard i am happy with, maybe my ears can't distinguish
I know how to rip CD's and burn them as well, i choose to use the format supplied as it is convienent
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As Jay W alluded to, the best thing you can do to improve the listening experience is change the silly, poor quality (and potentially dangerous) in ear buds for a set of decent headphones (I use Sennheiser PX200's).
I can't imagine the reproduction from the units themselves will be that different, aside of maybe more bass emphasis from one to another.
In essense MP3 players are memory sticks with a DAC and equalizer to my mind.
Oh and there are a couple of people here who are very keen to state they are "not gay"..... over emphasising maybe? ;)
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As someone who generally pays about £5 to £8 for a CD, has no interest in buying downloads (I'll get the LP/CD/DVD-A/SACD), and also no interest in downloading for free beyond testing a track to see if I like it, I tend to not buy much new music - why? I like older stuff.
The sound quality alone is enough to stop me downloading.
For car use I can rip and copy the CD, or I can put it on MD, or mp3 and put a lot on one CD.
My home deck MD is quite old and not the best version of ATRAC but I do move lots of LPs to MD for car use - they also fit my portable music player - a Hi-MD Walkman.
I think the last two things I bought music wise were a limited edition album of a friends band - then I got sent a complimentary copy, and a Deep Purple SACD.
I have thought about hard disk players eg the HD5 but I don't use portable music enough and moving LPs is a pain. Sue wants a PMP but wouldn't use it enough.
But then I find that SACD and DVD-A are a pain to copy as well - have to use analogue.
As to portable video - only use I'd have is as a video monitor for my camera.
Normally use a TV!
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As Jay W alluded to, the best thing you can do to improve the listening experience is change the silly, poor quality (and potentially dangerous) in ear buds for a set of decent headphones (I use Sennheiser PX200's).
I can't imagine the reproduction from the units themselves will be that different, aside of maybe more bass emphasis from one to another.
In essense MP3 players are memory sticks with a DAC and equalizer to my mind.
Oh and there are a couple of people here who are very keen to state they are "not gay"..... over emphasising maybe? ;)
There is a difference in quality between different decoders (not just a simple DAC), plus there are differences in quality between different DACs.
I think the iPod sounds pretty good. Not happy about having a HDD in a portable device like that. Apart from iTunes software being frankly awful, typical Apple untested, pre beta quality software, the main reasons I won't have one is because they are overrated, expensive, suffer from common failures, and common. Same reason you can shove a BMW as well.
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As Jay W alluded to, the best thing you can do to improve the listening experience is change the silly, poor quality (and potentially dangerous) in ear buds for a set of decent headphones (I use Sennheiser PX200's).
I can't imagine the reproduction from the units themselves will be that different, aside of maybe more bass emphasis from one to another.
In essense MP3 players are memory sticks with a DAC and equalizer to my mind.
Oh and there are a couple of people here who are very keen to state they are "not gay"..... over emphasising maybe? ;)
I think what both Jaime and I mean is that we never buy something because it is stylish. ;D
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In think you have to go to quite a high bit rate on your MP3 encoding before you start noticing issues with individual players over the effects of compression, although players will probably have different characters as I imagine they are all tweaked to sound "good" to a certain degree.
I actually use MP3 and FLAC quite a lot on my Hi-Fi through a squeezebox for casual listening purely because it's more convenient to access than a pile of CDs. Bit rate needs to be much higher than any downloaded material to make it acceptable though. The squeezebox sounds indistinguishable from my Arcam CD player when playing FLAC.
Kevin
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Actually the Sony was by far and away the best sounding but it lost because it wasn't an I**d.
Creative also make good mp3 players - do they get recognised - nope again not an I**d
Worst sounding was the Ipod then Creative then the SOny - I read a good review on theregister about these sorts of players.
Do any of them sound as good as my MD portable with Sennheiser PX100s?
And you don't think The Register are not bias?
IME, ipod sounds much, much better than the creative and a Sony one I tried. I wouldn't buy an iPod on principle of the fact that I'm not gay, but you can't deny that as a device for the masses, it works well, and seamlessly.
got a total of 5 ipods here ,but didnt actually pay for any of them,so hopefully that means im not gay :D ;D..edit; i am still convinced that vinyl gives a better sound than any digital reproduction i,ve ever heard.
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Actually the Sony was by far and away the best sounding but it lost because it wasn't an I**d.
Creative also make good mp3 players - do they get recognised - nope again not an I**d
Worst sounding was the Ipod then Creative then the SOny - I read a good review on theregister about these sorts of players.
Do any of them sound as good as my MD portable with Sennheiser PX100s?
And you don't think The Register are not bias?
IME, ipod sounds much, much better than the creative and a Sony one I tried. I wouldn't buy an iPod on principle of the fact that I'm not gay, but you can't deny that as a device for the masses, it works well, and seamlessly.
got a total of 5 ipods here ,but didnt actually pay for any of them,so hopefully that means im not gay :D ;D..edit; i am still convinced that vinyl gives a better sound than any digital reproduction i,ve ever heard.
I have a number of sources I'll give my source a score on each
Vinyl 6 mid range TT
CD 7 good with CD DVD player
DVD-A 9 DVD Player
SACD 7 DVD Player
Tape 3 (was 6) my good deck broke
MD 7 mid range deck
Basically no Linn turntables or Nakamichi Cassette decks, also ignoring DTS, DD, and high bit rate DD.
On my stuff tape is last - even my broken better deck would have been.
In quality order with my kit
DVD-A
SACD
Vinyl & CD
MD
Tape
Some CDs are appalling, some vinyl is superb, some CDs are very good, some vinyl is rubbish.
Now with DVD-A imagine the clean noise floor of CD taken to a new level, the high frequency naturalness of vinyl but no hiss or noise, and no CD high frequency harshness.
However DVD-A and SACD are difficult to get, best way is a Pioneer DVD player, Sony do not do SACD and Panasonic do not do DVD-A. Guess who sold the most £100 to £150 DVD players?
So my best source is a £110 multi format DVD player, then a mid range equivalent to about £100 turntable about 20 years old, then a MD deck I picked up in a sale, broken tape deck was with the turntable but currently best one is a Dolby/Chrome/line out equipped ghetto blaster.
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i play my old albums on an old bang &olufsen deck and it sounds better to me than cd,ipod or anything else ive heard,there seems to be a warmth to the sound thats missing from digital sound.it could of course be nostalgia/rose tinted headphones :)....talking of b&o headphones,blew 3 pairs of them in as many months,listening to the same song each time . ::)
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the gadget shows review was not about music, it was about videos on mp3 players.
The nano had the best package, because itunes is so simple and easy to use.
Sony software for mp3 players just sucks!
It maybe the best player but it needs the package.
Remember American cars have v8 engines, which we love, but the rest of the car is rubbish, hence they don't sell here.
The whole package needs to be reviewed, hence the iPod won.
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Why should I need "software" to transfer files from my PC to another hard drive in an external device though? I have all the tools I need to do that. OK, the tools don't sell me downloads but I 'aint buying anyway.
Kevin
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the gadget shows review was not about music, it was about videos on mp3 players.
The nano had the best package, because itunes is so simple and easy to use.
Sony software for mp3 players just sucks!
It maybe the best player but it needs the package.
Remember American cars have v8 engines, which we love, but the rest of the car is rubbish, hence they don't sell here.
The whole package needs to be reviewed, hence the iPod won.
Windows explorer should be good enough.
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Windows explorer should be good enough.
Precisely. With the added bonus that it doesn't try to sell you things and spy on you. - well, maybe it does these days.
Actually, I think I prefer rsync. :-X
Kevin
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Windows explorer should be good enough.
Precisely. With the added bonus that it doesn't try to sell you things and spy on you. - well, maybe it does these days.
Actually, I think I prefer rsync. :-X
Kevin
Can't beat a bit of rsync. Shame Windows NTFRS does a better job ;D