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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Lizzie_Zoom on 28 November 2012, 13:35:29
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The BBC News at 1300 today announced that progress has been made to locate the, now 30, Spitfire WW2 aircraft buried in crates in Burma.
News of these first broke in April this year
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17710598
Latest on-line news:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2129520/The-new-Battle-Burma-Find-20-buried-Spitfires-make-fly.html
Now evidence has been gathered, with surveys, eye witness accounts, and official documents that suggests these abandoned, crated up aircraft, are still in the ground since being buried in 1945.
It is thought they will be in perfect condition, ready to be reassembled.
The current 35 flyable Spitfires that exist today are apparently worth £1,000,000 each, so the value of the 30 apparently ready for excavation is obvious. :y
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Many more than 30, deals been done to dig them up:
http://www.flyingmag.com/news/start-digging-spitfires-cleared-excavation (http://www.flyingmag.com/news/start-digging-spitfires-cleared-excavation)
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It's also the rare Mk14 with Griffon Engines ;)
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Also nice to see The Mail is being as accurate as normal :)
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2050 hp :o
would be handy ;D , but with those fuel prices I'm afraid they will spend more of their time on the ground :-\
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Many more than 30, deals been done to dig them up:
http://www.flyingmag.com/news/start-digging-spitfires-cleared-excavation (http://www.flyingmag.com/news/start-digging-spitfires-cleared-excavation)
That is interesting Tunnie.
The first report in April mentioned 20. Today the BBC News said 30. The article you have linked in says 60!
Whatever it is, if they do still exist, it is a very exciting find. :y :y
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2050 hp :o
would be handy ;D , but with those fuel prices I'm afraid they will spend more of their time on the ground :-\
The people who buy them Cem will not be worried about the running costs :D :D ;)
Multi-millionaires or even billionaires only need apply! :D :D ;)
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It's also the rare Mk14 with Griffon Engines ;)
What a tasty combination Tunnie.
The Rolls-Royce Griffon is a British 37-litre capacity, 60-degree V-12, liquid-cooled aero engine designed and built by Rolls-Royce Limited.
(http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk247/lizziefreeman/GriffonEngine.jpg)
:y :y
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Many more than 30, deals been done to dig them up:
http://www.flyingmag.com/news/start-digging-spitfires-cleared-excavation (http://www.flyingmag.com/news/start-digging-spitfires-cleared-excavation)
That is interesting Tunnie.
The first report in April mentioned 20. Today the BBC News said 30. The article you have linked in says 60!
Whatever it is, if they do still exist, it is a very exciting find. :y :y
Already been found, Cameron has agreed with Burma that we can dig them up and take them back :)
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2050 hp :o
would be handy ;D , but with those fuel prices I'm afraid they will spend more of their time on the ground :-\
The people who buy them Cem will not be worried about the running costs :D :D ;)
Multi-millionaires or even billionaires only need apply! :D :D ;)
trust me they are more skimpy then you or me ;D
I still remember my citizen buying ferrari and trying to lpg it ;D >:(
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there are currently 35 .. each one worth £1,000,000 .... ok that makes sense .. so if there were suddenly another 30, or 60, or more .. it does NOT follow that each one would be worth £1,000,000 .. in fact .. that number being available would probably drop the value of all the existing ones as well ...
35 = relatively rare, 95 = fairly common ? ? ??? ??? ??? ???
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there are currently 35 .. each one worth £1,000,000 .... ok that makes sense .. so if there were suddenly another 30, or 60, or more .. it does NOT follow that each one would be worth £1,000,000 .. in fact .. that number being available would probably drop the value of all the existing ones as well ...
35 = relatively rare, 95 = fairly common ? ? ??? ??? ??? ???
You could be right Entwood, but the market may very well see it differently. 95 would still be in the "rare" category, and with so many really rich individuals around the World who will love this genuine icon of aviation they will be like bees to the honey pot. :y
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I reckon the prices for these would stay high,remember these were brand new planes still crated with zero flying hours on there airframes :y
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It's also the rare Mk14 with Griffon Engines ;)
What a tasty combination Tunnie.
The Rolls-Royce Griffon is a British 37-litre capacity, 60-degree V-12, liquid-cooled aero engine designed and built by Rolls-Royce Limited.
(http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk247/lizziefreeman/GriffonEngine.jpg)
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blimey lizzie your very knowledgable, we should call you 'wikilizzie' :D
or are you just fast on the google button ;D
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It's also the rare Mk14 with Griffon Engines ;)
What a tasty combination Tunnie.
The Rolls-Royce Griffon is a British 37-litre capacity, 60-degree V-12, liquid-cooled aero engine designed and built by Rolls-Royce Limited.
(http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk247/lizziefreeman/GriffonEngine.jpg)
:y :y
blimey lizzie your very knowledgable, we should call you 'wikilizzie' :D
or are you just fast on the google button ;D
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;) ;)
I read history, and with University training I know how to do research. Wiki is banned in universities, but I must admit I do use it as a guide sometimes to point my research in the right direct to build on my existing knowledge on railway, military and social history. But you never stop learning! That is why I own many books on those subjects plus ones on many other subjects, such as politics.
I already knew about the Griffon engine as much as I do about the Merlin. I didn't realise though that these were the engines with those Spitfires in Burma. Thought for some reason they would be older models of Spit, thus the Merlin installed instead.
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It's also the rare Mk14 with Griffon Engines ;)
What a tasty combination Tunnie.
The Rolls-Royce Griffon is a British 37-litre capacity, 60-degree V-12, liquid-cooled aero engine designed and built by Rolls-Royce Limited.
(http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk247/lizziefreeman/GriffonEngine.jpg)
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37 litre .. :o 0.00000... mpg ;D
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It's also the rare Mk14 with Griffon Engines ;)
What a tasty combination Tunnie.
The Rolls-Royce Griffon is a British 37-litre capacity, 60-degree V-12, liquid-cooled aero engine designed and built by Rolls-Royce Limited.
(http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk247/lizziefreeman/GriffonEngine.jpg)
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37 litre .. :o 0.00000... mpg ;D
should be ft per gallon ;D
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I believe the Griffon used a lot more fuel than the Merlin in the Spitfire.
I have read that it was 150 gallons per hour, including take off and standard cruising, with the Merlin, or 3 gallons per minute. ::) ::)
:D ;)
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I believe the Griffon used a lot more fuel than the Merlin in the Spitfire.
I have read that it was 150 gallons per hour, including take off and standard cruising, with the Merlin, or 3 gallons per minute. ::) ::)
:D ;)
Lizzie.. admit it.. it will drink the fuel like an elephant ;D
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I believe the Griffon used a lot more fuel than the Merlin in the Spitfire.
I have read that it was 150 gallons per hour, including take off and standard cruising, with the Merlin, or 3 gallons per minute. ::) ::)
:D ;)
Lizzie.. admit it.. it will drink the fuel like an elephant ;D
But as I previously stated, the multi-millionaires or billionaires who will fly these will not worry about 150 gallons or more of fuel per hour. They will just bask in the tremendous pleasure of owning an icon of the air :y
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......................and Cem it is still cheaper than running a German Tiger Tank! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
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I believe the Griffon used a lot more fuel than the Merlin in the Spitfire.
I have read that it was 150 gallons per hour, including take off and standard cruising, with the Merlin, or 3 gallons per minute. ::) ::)
:D ;)
Lizzie.. admit it.. it will drink the fuel like an elephant ;D
But as I previously stated, the multi-millionaires or billionaires who will fly these will not worry about 150 gallons or more of fuel per hour. They will just bask in the tremendous pleasure of owning an icon of the air :y
when the fuel bill bite them ;D , they wont be happy :P
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......................and Cem it is still cheaper than running a German Tiger Tank! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
here we are talking about just one .. I cant imagine the staff preparing hundreds of them ???
and in the days of war where fuel is not easy obtain :-\
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......................and Cem it is still cheaper than running a German Tiger Tank! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
here we are talking about just one .. I cant imagine the staff preparing hundreds of them ???
and in the days of war where fuel is not easy obtain :-\
Well of course it was the question of fuel, or the severe lack of it that brought the Panzer Divisions to a halt, along with the rest of the Nazi military machine and an end to the war. :y :y :y
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It's also the rare Mk14 with Griffon Engines ;)
What a tasty combination Tunnie.
The Rolls-Royce Griffon is a British 37-litre capacity, 60-degree V-12, liquid-cooled aero engine designed and built by Rolls-Royce Limited.
(http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk247/lizziefreeman/GriffonEngine.jpg)
:y :y
blimey lizzie your very knowledgable, we should call you 'wikilizzie' :D
or are you just fast on the google button ;D
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;) ;)
I read history, and with University training I know how to do research. Wiki is banned in universities, but I must admit I do use it as a guide sometimes to point my research in the right direct to build on my existing knowledge on railway, military and social history. But you never stop learning! That is why I own many books on those subjects plus ones on many other subjects, such as politics.
I already knew about the Griffon engine as much as I do about the Merlin. I didn't realise though that these were the engines with those Spitfires in Burma. Thought for some reason they would be older models of Spit, thus the Merlin installed instead.
Sorry Ian, I have just re-read that reply of mine and it seems so "know allish"!!!! :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[
Didn't mean it to come across like that when answering your question! ::) ::) ::) :D :D ;)
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Looks like TB's Christmas present is sorted then. :y :y :y :y
There again, he might just have to settle for the Airfix version. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Looks like TB's Christmas present is sorted then. :y :y :y :y
There again, he might just have to settle for the Airfix version. ;D ;D ;D ;D
I think with 37 litres under his right foot, his commute should make national headlines on day one. ::)
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It's also the rare Mk14 with Griffon Engines ;)
What a tasty combination Tunnie.
The Rolls-Royce Griffon is a British 37-litre capacity, 60-degree V-12, liquid-cooled aero engine designed and built by Rolls-Royce Limited.
(http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk247/lizziefreeman/GriffonEngine.jpg)
:y :y
blimey lizzie your very knowledgable, we should call you 'wikilizzie' :D
or are you just fast on the google button ;D
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;) ;)
I read history, and with University training I know how to do research. Wiki is banned in universities, but I must admit I do use it as a guide sometimes to point my research in the right direct to build on my existing knowledge on railway, military and social history. But you never stop learning! That is why I own many books on those subjects plus ones on many other subjects, such as politics.
I already knew about the Griffon engine as much as I do about the Merlin. I didn't realise though that these were the engines with those Spitfires in Burma. Thought for some reason they would be older models of Spit, thus the Merlin installed instead.
Sorry Ian, I have just re-read that reply of mine and it seems so "know allish"!!!! :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[
Didn't mean it to come across like that when answering your question! ::) ::) ::) :D :D ;)
that's ok no offence taken, I'm just amazed at your amount of knowledge :y
we could learn a thing or two from you :)
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It's also the rare Mk14 with Griffon Engines ;)
What a tasty combination Tunnie.
The Rolls-Royce Griffon is a British 37-litre capacity, 60-degree V-12, liquid-cooled aero engine designed and built by Rolls-Royce Limited.
(http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk247/lizziefreeman/GriffonEngine.jpg)
:y :y
blimey lizzie your very knowledgable, we should call you 'wikilizzie' :D
or are you just fast on the google button ;D
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;) ;)
I read history, and with University training I know how to do research. Wiki is banned in universities, but I must admit I do use it as a guide sometimes to point my research in the right direct to build on my existing knowledge on railway, military and social history. But you never stop learning! That is why I own many books on those subjects plus ones on many other subjects, such as politics.
I already knew about the Griffon engine as much as I do about the Merlin. I didn't realise though that these were the engines with those Spitfires in Burma. Thought for some reason they would be older models of Spit, thus the Merlin installed instead.
Sorry Ian, I have just re-read that reply of mine and it seems so "know allish"!!!! :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[
Didn't mean it to come across like that when answering your question! ::) ::) ::) :D :D ;)
that's ok no offence taken, I'm just amazed at your amount of knowledge :y
we could learn a thing or two from you :)
Thanks Ian, much appreciated! :y :y
What I do know with my maturity is that I know nothing! The older I get the more I realize that when considering the enormous amount of knowledge out there in the universe that we as mere humans have only just started to tap into that vast reservoir. Quiet humbling really! :P :P
However, if you want to know information on the subjects mentioned before that I know a little about, just let us know Ian ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
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Thanks Ian, much appreciated! :y :y
What I do know with my maturity is that I know nothing! The older I get the more I realize that when considering the enormous amount of knowledge out there in the universe that we as mere humans have only just started to tap into that vast reservoir. Quiet humbling really! :P :P
However, if you want to know information on the subjects mentioned before that I know a little about, just let us know Ian ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
WOW ...:) PHENOMENAL ... :) STOP THE PRESS :)
We have it in writing ... :)
A member of the female race makes an admission ... the male species is saved !!!
(see we were right all along ....... :) )
(Sneaks off to hide .................. :) )
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Just thinking about the Spitfire and it's great importance to us, the Mk1 which was the version used throughout the Battle of Britain. As stated before fuel consumption was around 150 gallons per hour.
That early Mark had a range of only 395 miles, which included take-off and 15 minutes of combat. It's closest rival, the Luftwaffe ME109E had a range of 415 miles, including combat time. The great advantage for the RAF was the Home Chain Radar system, that could direct the Spitfires, and Hurricane's, directly onto the enemy bomber formations, and thus not waste precious air time trying to locate them. Their other big advantage was of course was fighting over England, so limiting their flying time to the enemy anyway.
The pilots of the ME109E did not have those advantages, and especially the fact that they had to fly across the Channel from their air bases in France before entering combat. This fact was made even more acute when German High Command ordered the bombers to go to London and the other cities of England, with the fighters keeping in close support, from September 7th 1940. The pilots of the ME109E's had further to go on their limited fuel capacity, and thus had a greatly reduced combat time to fend off the RAF.
Fuel capacity and the range of the aircraft was thus of crucial importance during the Battle. As was the fact that Luftwaffe air crew were being totally lost to the German war effort when their planes were brought down, as even if they escaped their fatally damaged planes, they parachuted into the arms of British security forces.
These aircraft that lie in Burma certainly come with a fantastic pedigree and history, thus being worth a fortune. What a beautiful plane, and these will be apparently MkX1V's. :-* :-* :-* 8) What a great memorial to "The Few". The prospect of 65-95 Spitfires flying in formation together over London :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
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Thanks Ian, much appreciated! :y :y
What I do know with my maturity is that I know nothing! The older I get the more I realize that when considering the enormous amount of knowledge out there in the universe that we as mere humans have only just started to tap into that vast reservoir. Quiet humbling really! :P :P
However, if you want to know information on the subjects mentioned before that I know a little about, just let us know Ian ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
WOW ...:) PHENOMENAL ... :) STOP THE PRESS :)
We have it in writing ... :)
A member of the female race makes an admission ... the male species is saved !!!
(see we were right all along ....... :) )
(Sneaks off to hide .................. :) )
Yes, but MANkind knows even less Entwood! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)