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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: gibby on 30 November 2012, 12:42:08
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Hello Dear members, How goes preparations for Chrismas? With me all is well, only ups and downs here and there.
Any idea, both heating and air conditioning have just stopped working in my omega (Speed Bird). Please if possible help, its even forming ice inside the windscreen, its really severe.
Thank you in advance.
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Checked all relevant fuses? Possible fan speed controller (hedgehog ) problem ? :-\
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The climate display lit up, is it just the fan thats not working?
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Checked all relevant fuses? Possible fan speed controller (hedgehog ) problem ? :-\
+1 :y
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Checked all relevant fuses? Possible fan speed controller (hedgehog ) problem ? :-\
Thanks you very much, I will try tomorrow morning then after that I will give a feedback.
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The climate display lit up, is it just the fan thats not working?
it seems so, I can hear the sound but there is no blowing, heating and air conditioning. Thnks
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I have cold air on the passenger side, broken climate motor.
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The climate display lit up, is it just the fan thats not working?
it seems so, I can hear the sound but there is no blowing, heating and air conditioning. Thnks
Sounds like heater resistor (hedgehog) to me,but wait for more expert opinions than mine. :y
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If resistor is donald, fans will run on unless fuse #33 is pulled
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So might not be the resistor then ? If not whats your diagnosis Rob.I ve offered to try to help if I can as the member is local,but not sure exactly what the problem is tbh. :-\
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Checked all relevant fuses? Possible fan speed controller (hedgehog ) problem ? :-\
This morning I tried to check the fuses but seem to be ok, its means there is something else, of which not sure of
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Solenoid valves possibly ? Im not sure to br honest,but hopefully someone who knows more will post up an answer.
RobG report to general help please. :D ;D
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Checked all relevant fuses? Possible fan speed controller (hedgehog ) problem ? :-\
This morning I tried to check the fuses but seem to be ok, its means there is something else, of which not sure of
14 & 33.
What are the actual symptoms.
Does the climate panel illuminate.
Have you control over all fan speeds.
Does the fan stop when climate panel switched off.
Have you tried a manual re-set (OFF & AUTO held in together.
Can you hear the vac flaps resynching.
If fan speed is controllable have you tried removing vac pipe from top of HBV to see if you get heat.
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The climate display lit up, is it just the fan thats not working?
Yes its all lit up, also the air from the vents seems to be very weak and cold. thanks
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Gibby.Answer RobG,s questions one by one and I would guess a diagnosis may soon follow. :y
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Checked all relevant fuses? Possible fan speed controller (hedgehog ) problem ? :-\
This morning I tried to check the fuses but seem to be ok, its means there is something else, of which not sure of
14 & 33.
What are the actual symptoms.
Does the climate panel illuminate.
Have you control over all fan speeds.
Does the fan stop when climate panel switched off.
Have you tried a manual re-set (OFF & AUTO held in together.
Can you hear the vac flaps resynching.
If fan speed is controllable have you tried removing vac pipe from top of HBV to see if you get heat.
Hello Sir, 1. there is weak cold air coming through the vents; 2. I've tried the "OFF & AUTO" reset but nothing happens, no any sound; 3. the climate panel seem to be working ok as it shows when switched on; 4. Checked the fuses, all seem to be ok. 5. Seat heating is working properly. Thus all I can note at the moment. Thanks very much for your help.
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Hello Sir, 1. there is weak cold air coming through the vents; 2. I've tried the "OFF & AUTO" reset but nothing happens, no any sound; 3. the climate panel seem to be working ok as it shows when switched on; 4. Checked the fuses, all seem to be ok. 5. Seat heating is working properly. Thus all I can note at the moment. Thanks very much for your help.
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Hello Sir, 1. there is weak cold air coming through the vents; 2. I've tried the "OFF & AUTO" reset but nothing happens, no any sound; 3. the climate panel seem to be working ok as it shows when switched on; 4. Checked the fuses, all seem to be ok. 5. Seat heating is working properly. Thus all I can note at the moment. Thanks very much for your help.
have you tried pushing ECO???
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What are the actual symptoms.
Have you control over all fan speeds.
Does the fan stop when climate panel switched off.
If fan speed is controllable have you tried removing vac pipe from top of HBV to see if you get heat.
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What are the actual symptoms.
Have you control over all fan speeds.
Does the fan stop when climate panel switched off.
If fan speed is controllable have you tried removing vac pipe from top of HBV to see if you get heat.
Hello sir, the real symptoms are:
*the air from the vents is cold and very weak that seems the blower could not be working properly;
*the car forms mist and ice inside the windscreen;
*I can control everything on the climate control panel without any problem.
*Yes the fan stops when switched off.
*the seat heating is working properly
*I haven't tried to remove the vac pipe from top because I'm not sure what it is, could you please help to gives some simple instruction so that I could try that.
Thanks very much sir
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Ive been trying to find a pic of a 2.2 HBV but no luck so far. I wonder if someone on OOF might have one ? :-\ ::) ;D
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..... I wonder if someone on OOF might have one ? :-\ ::) ;D
Rob!!!! Where are you? ::) ;D ;D
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Ive been trying to find a pic of a 2.2 HBV but no luck so far. I wonder if someone on OOF might have one ? :-\ ::) ;D
Same place as the inferior V6 :P :P
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No Pic ? ! SHOCKING !! :P ;D ;D
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Gibby here is the guide for changing the HBV on the V6 engine.The 2.2 is similar I think.Its right at the back of the engine and wiull be awkward.The bottom picture shows the small vacuum pipe on top of the valve which you need to pull off to see if you then get any heat in the car.If you do (or dont) get heat in the car after youve taken it off,post your results here and Im sure more advice will be offered.
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=90574.0
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If resistor is donald, fans will run on unless fuse #33 is pulled
Not always. Sometimes the failure mode is where it will not provide any power to the fan motor. In fact, IME, this seems to be the most common failure mode. Only seen the constant running if its been soaked by the scuttle drain.
gibby
As it seems the fan is non functional (I assume you have tried manually turning the fan right up ;D), I would suggest removing the glovebox, disconnect (and insulate!) the wires from speed controller, and apply a 12v fused feed to the fan directly, to see if it spins. If it does, I'd be suspicious of the speed controller (hedgehog).
Also, has your scuttle drain blocked, as that can kill the speed controllers, as they don't like water.
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As to no hot air either, check first that the pipes going to the bulkhead are hot. There could be a vac problem causing no heat. Easy test if its a vac problem is pull the vac hose off the top of the HBV.
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Gibby here is the guide for changing the HBV on the V6 engine.The 2.2 is similar I think.Its right at the back of the engine and wiull be awkward.The bottom picture shows the small vacuum pipe on top of the valve which you need to pull off to see if you then get any heat in the car.If you do (or dont) get heat in the car after youve taken it off,post your results here and Im sure more advice will be offered.
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=90574.0
Good afternoon sir, I have seen the link you posted and it looks fine, its really well detailed and very exciting to read through. Now its hands on work. Thanks very much, your are a man of good heart and very rare to get hold of these days, May the Dear Lord bless you. After fiddling around I will post the outcome. :y
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Happy to try to help with what little knowledge I have Gibby. Im not available to come and help you just at the minute,due to a family medical emergency.Hopefully that will all be ok in a few days,but Im not certain at the moment.
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Gibby here is the guide for changing the HBV on the V6 engine.The 2.2 is similar I think.Its right at the back of the engine and wiull be awkward.The bottom picture shows the small vacuum pipe on top of the valve which you need to pull off to see if you then get any heat in the car.If you do (or dont) get heat in the car after youve taken it off,post your results here and Im sure more advice will be offered.
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=90574.0
Hi sir, so does this HBV usually need replacement or there is something to do for it to function properly? And if it needs to be replaced where could it be bought? Thanks, I wish you good health.
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Gibby here is the guide for changing the HBV on the V6 engine.The 2.2 is similar I think.Its right at the back of the engine and wiull be awkward.The bottom picture shows the small vacuum pipe on top of the valve which you need to pull off to see if you then get any heat in the car.If you do (or dont) get heat in the car after youve taken it off,post your results here and Im sure more advice will be offered.
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=90574.0
Hi sir, so does this HBV usually need replacement or there is something to do for it to function properly? And if it needs to be replaced where could it be bought? Thanks, I wish you good health.
Are the pipes to the bulkhead very hot? If not, remove the vac pipe from the top of the HBV, and see if the pipes get hot.
Report back :y
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Gibby here is the guide for changing the HBV on the V6 engine.The 2.2 is similar I think.Its right at the back of the engine and wiull be awkward.The bottom picture shows the small vacuum pipe on top of the valve which you need to pull off to see if you then get any heat in the car.If you do (or dont) get heat in the car after youve taken it off,post your results here and Im sure more advice will be offered.
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=90574.0
Hi sir, so does this HBV usually need replacement or there is something to do for it to function properly? And if it needs to be replaced where could it be bought? Thanks, I wish you good health.
Are the pipes to the bulkhead very hot? If not, remove the vac pipe from the top of the HBV, and see if the pipes get hot.
Report back :y
Hello Sir, hope all is well with you. I've bought all necessary items for the work now, and if weather permit I be working on the car tomorrow. But there is one more thing which I'm not sure of, you are talking of removing the pipe(s) from HBV, but on the link posted to me on how to work around HBV, instructs to drain the coolant from the vehicle, now by removing the pipe from the HBV will not affect the engine during the testing? Sorry if I'm mistaken please advise, I want to be double sure be4 I start working on the vehicle. Thanks, may the Lord bless you for the good work you are doing to me. :y
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You only need to remove the small vacuum pipe from the top of the HBV. This shouldn't let any water out (if it does, you need a new HBV!).
This just forces the HBV into the position where the heater matrix gets hot water.
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You only need to remove the small vacuum pipe from the top of the HBV. This shouldn't let any water out (if it does, you need a new HBV!).
This just forces the HBV into the position where the heater matrix gets hot water.
Hi sir, thanks very much, now I've a peace of mind to work on it tomorrow. May the Lord bless you.
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Gibby.Dont go fitting any new parts until the problem has been fully diagnosed.As suggested,pull the little vac hose of the top of the HBV and see what happens.Then report back. :y
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Gibby.Dont go fitting any new parts until the problem has been fully diagnosed.As suggested,pull the little vac hose of the top of the HBV and see what happens.Then report back. :y
Good afternoon sir, I'm just coming from the vehicle now. It seems this omega is somehow different because the scuttle is grued to the stripe of rubber attached to windsreen. I tried to remove nuts and clips holding the scuttle but it couldn't be detatched from the rubber attached to the windscreen. Actually I follwed the instructions on the link you posted to me. Any further instructions if possible sir? thanks very much for the assistance you are rendering to me. be blessed.
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Gibby here is the guide for changing the HBV on the V6 engine.The 2.2 is similar I think.Its right at the back of the engine and wiull be awkward.The bottom picture shows the small vacuum pipe on top of the valve which you need to pull off to see if you then get any heat in the car.If you do (or dont) get heat in the car after youve taken it off,post your results here and Im sure more advice will be offered.
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=90574.0
Hi sir, so does this HBV usually need replacement or there is something to do for it to function properly? And if it needs to be replaced where could it be bought? Thanks, I wish you good health.
Are the pipes to the bulkhead very hot? If not, remove the vac pipe from the top of the HBV, and see if the pipes get hot.
Report back :y
Hi sir, I tried to remove the scuttle panel today but the windscreen rubber which need to be released was a problem, I wanted to remove it with a flat bladed screw driver but my worry was, if I do that will it be possible to refit it or there is a need to buy another one? Please advise, Thanks
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Have you removed the small vac pipe from the top of the HBV, doesn`t need scuttle removing to do that
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Have you removed the small vac pipe from the top of the HBV, doesn`t need scuttle removing to do that
I tried to look around but couldn't see the HBV, so I thought removing the scuttle panel could expose it. How could I possibly do it? Sorry for Troubling you sir, please advise.
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To the right of the brake master cylinder you`ll see two hoses coming from the bulkhead, follow these across and down and you`ll see the HBV.
In this pic the hoses are removed and a yellow and green length of hosepipe has been connected. Where these hoses are connected is where you`ll find your heater matrix hoses which you need to follow. HTH
(http://images.omegaowners.com/images/guides/heater_matrix_flush/IMG_0906.JPG)
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To the right of the brake master cylinder you`ll see two hoses coming from the bulkhead, follow these across and down and you`ll see the HBV.
In this pic the hoses are removed and a yellow and green length of hosepipe has been connected. Where these hoses are connected is where you`ll find your heater matrix hoses which you need to follow. HTH
(http://images.omegaowners.com/images/guides/heater_matrix_flush/IMG_0906.JPG)
Huh, I see, in my car those two pipes are on the other side of the engine, they are running from the bulhead to the radiator in front. However, it seems I have an idea now. Tomorrow weather permit I'll have a go and I will report the outcome. Once again thanks very much Sir, Wishing you a merry Xmass and long life. Good night.
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To the right of the brake master cylinder you`ll see two hoses coming from the bulkhead, follow these across and down and you`ll see the HBV.
In this pic the hoses are removed and a yellow and green length of hosepipe has been connected. Where these hoses are connected is where you`ll find your heater matrix hoses which you need to follow. HTH
(http://images.omegaowners.com/images/guides/heater_matrix_flush/IMG_0906.JPG)
Huh, I see, in my car those two pipes are on the other side of the engine, they are running from the bulhead to the radiator in front. However, it seems I have an idea now. Tomorrow weather permit I'll have a go and I will report the outcome. Once again thanks very much Sir, Wishing you a merry Xmass and long life. Good night.
That`s the A/C pipework
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To the right of the brake master cylinder you`ll see two hoses coming from the bulkhead, follow these across and down and you`ll see the HBV.
In this pic the hoses are removed and a yellow and green length of hosepipe has been connected. Where these hoses are connected is where you`ll find your heater matrix hoses which you need to follow. HTH
(http://images.omegaowners.com/images/guides/heater_matrix_flush/IMG_0906.JPG)
Huh, I see, in my car those two pipes are on the other side of the engine, they are running from the bulhead to the radiator in front. However, it seems I have an idea now. Tomorrow weather permit I'll have a go and I will report the outcome. Once again thanks very much Sir, Wishing you a merry Xmass and long life. Good night.
That`s the A/C pipework
Hi Sir, thus true, those are a/c pipes I noted this evening after coming from work. I tried to work around but the big problem is the LPG system covering most part of the space. So I think the possible way is to remove the scuttle, and Im planning to do over the weekend. But my concern is the rubber plastic running across the bottom of the windscreen, is it easily fitted back when removed? Thnks once again.
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Dont remove it.Just pull it up where the little fixings are to access the fixings and remove them. :y
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Dont remove it.Just pull it up where the little fixings are to access the fixings and remove them. :y
Good evening sir, I really don't get it, is it possible for me to pop up to ur place for just a minute or so just to show me how. thanks
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Not at the moment Im afraid.The rubber trim at the bottom of the windscreen is quite flexible and can be pulled up with your fingers or slide a blade under it and lever it up to access the retaining fixings.I will try and take a pic for you when its daylight to show how its done.
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Not at the moment Im afraid.The rubber trim at the bottom of the windscreen is quite flexible and can be pulled up with your fingers or slide a blade under it and lever it up to access the retaining fixings.I will try and take a pic for you when its daylight to show how its done.
Thanks for that sir, don't bother much I may grasp something from the picture you will post. Thanks.
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Hopefully the pic will show what you need to know Gibby.If not,ask again.I will try to help as I did before,but Im afraid I really dont have time to visit etc. at the moment. ;)
(http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff500/Albs59/DSCF1658.jpg)
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Hopefully the pic will show what you need to know Gibby.If not,ask again.I will try to help as I did before,but Im afraid I really dont have time to visit etc. at the moment. ;)
(http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff500/Albs59/DSCF1658.jpg)
Good evening sir, You know, when I was going to town I tried to push the windscreen rubber up, without hassles there I saw the clips. So seeing the picture you sent me confirms what I saw. Now I've confidence to work on it tomorrow. Thanks very much you are of great help to me, may the dear Lord bless you and keep you in good health all the time.
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Hello Dear members, How goes preparations for Chrismas? With me all is well, only ups and downs here and there.
Any idea, both heating and air conditioning have just stopped working in my omega (Speed Bird). Please if possible help, its even forming ice inside the windscreen, its really severe.
Thank you in advance.
Hello Dear Members, Today I had ago on the car, I managed to remove the scuttle without hassles (actually it took me almost 5mins). And it took me 3 mins to locate the HBV, the reason was that I was looking for something bigger than I found. Then I disconnected the vac pipe, put a small bolt there, start the engine then heat came on in the cabin but only 40-45%. Thus what has happened today, so what should I do next honourable members? I really thank all members trying their best to help me, mainly Albitz, Andy B, RobG, The Boy, The alarming man, Symes and Rsymes 2k, may the Lod bless you. :y
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With the vac to HBV disconnected, let the car fully warm up, then see how much heat you are getting up the windscreen.
If you then use the climate panel to send all air to feet, are you still getting warm air up the windscreen>
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With the vac to HBV disconnected, let the car fully warm up, then see how much heat you are getting up the windscreen.
If you then use the climate panel to send all air to feet, are you still getting warm air up the windscreen>
Thanks sir, I will try to do that and report back the outcome.
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With the vac to HBV disconnected, let the car fully warm up, then see how much heat you are getting up the windscreen.
If you then use the climate panel to send all air to feet, are you still getting warm air up the windscreen>
Hi Sir, as you instructed, using the climate control panel I directed air to feet, there was some warmth on feet but not on windscreen. However I could get some warmth when sending air to windscreen using climate panel control. Once again, thanks.
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With the vac to HBV disconnected, let the car fully warm up, then see how much heat you are getting up the windscreen.
If you then use the climate panel to send all air to feet, are you still getting warm air up the windscreen>
Hi Sir, as you instructed, using the climate control panel I directed air to feet, there was some warmth on feet but not on windscreen. However I could get some warmth when sending air to windscreen using climate panel control. Once again, thanks.
Hmmm, sounds like the vacs controlling the flaps are OK then. Struggling to understand why removing vac to hbv improves, but does not entirely cure, the problem.
With the Climate set on HI, is there any vac on the pipe you have removed from HBV?
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With the vac to HBV disconnected, let the car fully warm up, then see how much heat you are getting up the windscreen.
If you then use the climate panel to send all air to feet, are you still getting warm air up the windscreen>
Hi Sir, as you instructed, using the climate control panel I directed air to feet, there was some warmth on feet but not on windscreen. However I could get some warmth when sending air to windscreen using climate panel control. Once again, thanks.
Hmmm, sounds like the vacs controlling the flaps are OK then. Struggling to understand why removing vac to hbv improves, but does not entirely cure, the problem.
With the Climate set on HI, is there any vac on the pipe you have removed from HBV?
Not sure sir, but I blocked it as well. I will check it tomorrow and I'll come back to you. Thanks
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With the vac to HBV disconnected, let the car fully warm up, then see how much heat you are getting up the windscreen.
If you then use the climate panel to send all air to feet, are you still getting warm air up the windscreen>
Hi Sir, as you instructed, using the climate control panel I directed air to feet, there was some warmth on feet but not on windscreen. However I could get some warmth when sending air to windscreen using climate panel control. Once again, thanks.
Hmmm, sounds like the vacs controlling the flaps are OK then. Struggling to understand why removing vac to hbv improves, but does not entirely cure, the problem.
With the Climate set on HI, is there any vac on the pipe you have removed from HBV?
Hi sir, it seems there is nothing coming out of the pipe removed from the HBV. Thnks
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As to no hot air either, check first that the pipes going to the bulkhead are hot. There could be a vac problem causing no heat. Easy test if its a vac problem is pull the vac hose off the top of the HBV.
Have you done this?
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As to no hot air either, check first that the pipes going to the bulkhead are hot. There could be a vac problem causing no heat. Easy test if its a vac problem is pull the vac hose off the top of the HBV.
Have you done this?
Yes, I disconnected the vac pipe, put a small bolt there, start the engine then heat came on in the cabin but only 40-45%. Thanks
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As to no hot air either, check first that the pipes going to the bulkhead are hot. There could be a vac problem causing no heat. Easy test if its a vac problem is pull the vac hose off the top of the HBV.
Have you done this?
Yes, I disconnected the vac pipe, put a small bolt there, start the engine then heat came on in the cabin but only 40-45%. Thanks
Do both pipes get hot to the touch or is one only warm
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As to no hot air either, check first that the pipes going to the bulkhead are hot. There could be a vac problem causing no heat. Easy test if its a vac problem is pull the vac hose off the top of the HBV.
Have you done this?
Yes, I disconnected the vac pipe, put a small bolt there, start the engine then heat came on in the cabin but only 40-45%. Thanks
Do both pipes get hot to the touch or is one only warm
The pipes from the HBV DOES NOT, I can't feel any heat from them, Sir.
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If resistor is donald, fans will run on unless fuse #33 is pulled
Not always. Sometimes the failure mode is where it will not provide any power to the fan motor. In fact, IME, this seems to be the most common failure mode. Only seen the constant running if its been soaked by the scuttle drain.
gibby
As it seems the fan is non functional (I assume you have tried manually turning the fan right up ;D), I would suggest removing the glovebox, disconnect (and insulate!) the wires from speed controller, and apply a 12v fused feed to the fan directly, to see if it spins. If it does, I'd be suspicious of the speed controller (hedgehog).
Also, has your scuttle drain blocked, as that can kill the speed controllers, as they don't like water.
Hi hon Theboy, so what is the possible cure to the prob which you've tables? Thanks
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As to no hot air either, check first that the pipes going to the bulkhead are hot. There could be a vac problem causing no heat. Easy test if its a vac problem is pull the vac hose off the top of the HBV.
Have you done this?
Hi Hon RobG, yes the bottom pipe to bulhead is cold and the top pipe is very warm. Thanks
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As to no hot air either, check first that the pipes going to the bulkhead are hot. There could be a vac problem causing no heat. Easy test if its a vac problem is pull the vac hose off the top of the HBV.
Have you done this?
Hi Hon RobG, yes the bottom pipe to bulhead is cold and the top pipe is very warm. Thanks
Blocked matrix, needs a thorough flushing http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=90620.0
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As to no hot air either, check first that the pipes going to the bulkhead are hot. There could be a vac problem causing no heat. Easy test if its a vac problem is pull the vac hose off the top of the HBV.
Have you done this?
Hi RobG Hon, yes the bottom pipe to bulhead is cold and the top pipe is very warm. Thanks
Fixed that for you Gibby! ;) ;D
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As to no hot air either, check first that the pipes going to the bulkhead are hot. There could be a vac problem causing no heat. Easy test if its a vac problem is pull the vac hose off the top of the HBV.
Have you done this?
Hi RobG Hon, yes the bottom pipe to bulhead is cold and the top pipe is very warm. Thanks
Fixed that for you Gibby! ;) ;D
Far cough you :P :P ;D
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Gibby.When flushing the matrix you may find it easier to disconnect the other end of the pies,rather than the so called quick release connectors at the bulkhead.The bulkhead connectors are often reluctant to release quickly,slowly or any other way.
But as Rob says,a sure sign of a blocked matrix.Needs flushing through,then refill with new coolant. :y
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As to no hot air either, check first that the pipes going to the bulkhead are hot. There could be a vac problem causing no heat. Easy test if its a vac problem is pull the vac hose off the top of the HBV.
Have you done this?
Hi Hon RobG, yes the bottom pipe to bulhead is cold and the top pipe is very warm. Thanks
Blocked matrix, needs a thorough flushing http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=90620.0
Hi Sir, thanks that sounds good because once the prob is known you konw what needs to be done. I will study the link you've posted and try to work on it, and report the out come. Once again thanks very much for you help, I really appreciate that.
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Gibby.When flushing the matrix you may find it easier to disconnect the other end of the pies,rather than the so called quick release connectors at the bulkhead.The bulkhead connectors are often reluctant to release quickly,slowly or any other way.
But as Rob says,a sure sign of a blocked matrix.Needs flushing through,then refill with new coolant. :y
Hello Sir, nice to hear from you, thanks for the advice, I'll try the way you've instructed and see where we're going to land with this prob, thanks very much.
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As to no hot air either, check first that the pipes going to the bulkhead are hot. There could be a vac problem causing no heat. Easy test if its a vac problem is pull the vac hose off the top of the HBV.
Have you done this?
Hi RobG Hon, yes the bottom pipe to bulhead is cold and the top pipe is very warm. Thanks
Fixed that for you Gibby! ;) ;D
Well, thus sounds good :y
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As to no hot air either, check first that the pipes going to the bulkhead are hot. There could be a vac problem causing no heat. Easy test if its a vac problem is pull the vac hose off the top of the HBV.
Have you done this?
Hi Hon RobG, yes the bottom pipe to bulhead is cold and the top pipe is very warm. Thanks
Blocked matrix, needs a thorough flushing http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=90620.0
Hi sir, just a quick one, how long should this prosess last? Its not specified in the link you posted. Thanks
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5-10 mins forward flush and the same when you reverse flush should be ample :y
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5-10 mins forward flush and the same when you reverse flush should be ample :y
Thanks sir, during this time should the engine be running or not? Sorry for bothering you.
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5-10 mins forward flush and the same when you reverse flush should be ample :y
Thanks sir, during this time should the engine be running or not? Sorry for bothering you.
No. You`re not bothering anyone Gibby, everyone here are willing to assist/advise :)
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5-10 mins forward flush and the same when you reverse flush should be ample :y
Thanks sir, during this time should the engine be running or not? Sorry for bothering you.
No. You`re not bothering anyone Gibby, everyone here are willing to assist/advise :)
You're a good man hon RobG, may the dear Lord bless you sir. Thanks
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Im really sorry I cant come and physically help this time Gibby,but circumstances prevent it.I will send you a PM. :y
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Im really sorry I cant come and physically help this time Gibby,but circumstances prevent it.I will send you a PM. :y
Sir don't worry, I do understand, don't forget last time you travelled all the way just to help me on the car. I'll try to fix this over the weekend. But a quick question, you remember you suggested that I should do this on the other end and not to the bulhead. So where do the pipes connect to the other end? Thanks sir.
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Im really sorry I cant come and physically help this time Gibby,but circumstances prevent it.I will send you a PM. :y
Sir don't worry, I do understand, don't forget last time you travelled all the way just to help me on the car. I'll try to fix this over the weekend. But a quick question, you remember you suggested that I should do this on the other end and not to the bulhead. So where do the pipes connect to the other end? Thanks sir.
On the HBV. Top pipe @ bulkhead goes to top spigot (of the pair), bottom pipe to bottom spigot
(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRzxpaZyvvqedaMDGZ0DfO4xXEwqBFgn8_58FneqMf6lWzb9yGZ_A)
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Im really sorry I cant come and physically help this time Gibby,but circumstances prevent it.I will send you a PM. :y
Sir don't worry, I do understand, don't forget last time you travelled all the way just to help me on the car. I'll try to fix this over the weekend. But a quick question, you remember you suggested that I should do this on the other end and not to the bulhead. So where do the pipes connect to the other end? Thanks sir.
On the HBV. Top pipe @ bulkhead goes to top spigot (of the pair), bottom pipe to bottom spigot
(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRzxpaZyvvqedaMDGZ0DfO4xXEwqBFgn8_58FneqMf6lWzb9yGZ_A)
Thnks sir for the picture, I really appreciate this. :y
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Gibby.When flushing the matrix you may find it easier to disconnect the other end of the pies,rather than the so called quick release connectors at the bulkhead.The bulkhead connectors are often reluctant to release quickly,slowly or any other way.
But as Rob says,a sure sign of a blocked matrix.Needs flushing through,then refill with new coolant. :y
Hello sir, so in other words I should do flushing through the HBV pipes, or somewhere else? Thanks :-\
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Can I offer a test procedure so we can get an understanding of what is and what isnt working.
1) With the engine running and hot, set the fan speed to minimum, can it be heard to run?
2) Now set the fan speed to maximum, can it be heard to run louder than in 1).
3) With the fan speed still on full, set the direction control to vents adn ensure tehy are open, is there air coming from the vents? If no, is it either to the screen (check the screen vents at rear of the dash) or the feet (check vents on underside of dash).
4) Set temperature on both drivers and passenger side to Max and the fan speed to mid position, is the air warm or cold, check both the drivers and passengers side individualy. Note, you need to check this where the air was found to be blowing.
Let us know the findings against these tests
The above will tell us:
If the fan speed controller is working correctly
If direction control is working
If the blend flaps are working (both passenger and drivers side)
If the heater bypass is functioning.
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Yes.If you remove the two pipes from the HBV and run water through one you should get mucky water come out the end of the other one.Do this until it runs clear,then run the water through in reverse,so that youve flushed it through in both directions.
Knowing where you live I presume a hosepipe isnt a possibilty,and it may freeze in the current temperatures anyway. A few watering cans of warm water may be your only option ?
Dont forget to refill with new coolant and run the engine to let it circulate around the whole ystem when your finished flushing. :y
Just noticed as I was about to post this that Mark DTM has offered advice.Follow that first,but if the conclusion after that is that the matrix still needs flushing then act on the above. ;)
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Before fluhing matrix, there will be a few more tests to do first, need the results of the above first :y
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Can I offer a test procedure so we can get an understanding of what is and what isnt working.
1) With the engine running and hot, set the fan speed to minimum, can it be heard to run?
2) Now set the fan speed to maximum, can it be heard to run louder than in 1).
3) With the fan speed still on full, set the direction control to vents adn ensure tehy are open, is there air coming from the vents? If no, is it either to the screen (check the screen vents at rear of the dash) or the feet (check vents on underside of dash).
4) Set temperature on both drivers and passenger side to Max and the fan speed to mid position, is the air warm or cold, check both the drivers and passengers side individualy. Note, you need to check this where the air was found to be blowing.
Let us know the findings against these tests
The above will tell us:
If the fan speed controller is working correctly
If direction control is working
If the blend flaps are working (both passenger and drivers side)
If the heater bypass is functioning.
Hi sir, I have failed to go through the instructions you posted because this morning when I started the car I was hearing a fanny sound from the engine (more or less like a tractor). When I removed the timing cover I noted that the water bearing was gone. So I've just bought one and will be replaced tomorrow. Then there after I will carry out the tests and will report back. Thanks very much.
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Yes.If you remove the two pipes from the HBV and run water through one you should get mucky water come out the end of the other one.Do this until it runs clear,then run the water through in reverse,so that youve flushed it through in both directions.
Knowing where you live I presume a hosepipe isnt a possibilty,and it may freeze in the current temperatures anyway. A few watering cans of warm water may be your only option ?
Dont forget to refill with new coolant and run the engine to let it circulate around the whole ystem when your finished flushing. :y
Just noticed as I was about to post this that Mark DTM has offered advice.Follow that first,but if the conclusion after that is that the matrix still needs flushing then act on the above. ;)
Hello Sir, thanks for the instructions you've posted, I justed noted this morning that the water pump is gone. I've already bought one from Euro car parts. However, the question is, are there anyhows to remove the pump? I've taken off the three bolts but it seems somehow hard (adamant) to be removed. Once again thanks :-\
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Need to remove cambelt...
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Sure its waterpump, and not a failing cambelt tensioner?
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Just jumping in after reading the bit about doing the matrix flush from the HBV, as mine has been rem oved and the pipes secured with hose clips I think this would be the easier option especially as I have lumps of LPG plumbing prevent getting a good grab to the quick release clips.
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Sure its waterpump, and not a failing cambelt tensioner?
Hi sir, just a brief info: when I removed the timing cover, everything there looked fine except the t-belt was a bit loose right hand side. I tried to turn the engine clockwise, all appeared ok. Then after turning on the engine, I noted that the water pump gear was wobbling. I then turned the engine manually to TDC, removed the T-belt, then checked (shake) all gears; all appeared fine except the pump one. :-\
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Can I offer a test procedure so we can get an understanding of what is and what isnt working.
1) With the engine running and hot, set the fan speed to minimum, can it be heard to run?
2) Now set the fan speed to maximum, can it be heard to run louder than in 1).
3) With the fan speed still on full, set the direction control to vents adn ensure tehy are open, is there air coming from the vents? If no, is it either to the screen (check the screen vents at rear of the dash) or the feet (check vents on underside of dash).
4) Set temperature on both drivers and passenger side to Max and the fan speed to mid position, is the air warm or cold, check both the drivers and passengers side individualy. Note, you need to check this where the air was found to be blowing.
Let us know the findings against these tests
The above will tell us:
If the fan speed controller is working correctly
If direction control is working
If the blend flaps are working (both passenger and drivers side)
If the heater bypass is functioning.
Hello Sir, here are the findings after going thru the questions you posted:
1) With the engine running and hot, set the fan speed to minimum, can it be heard to run? NO
2) Now set the fan speed to maximum, can it be heard to run louder than in 1). YES3) With the fan speed still on full, set the direction control to vents adn ensure tehy are open, is there air coming from the vents? If no, is it either to the screen (check the screen vents at rear of the dash) or the feet (check vents on underside of dash).
VERY LITTLE FROM ALL VENTS
4) Set temperature on both drivers and passenger side to Max and the fan speed to mid position, is the air warm or cold, check both the drivers and passengers side individualy. Note, you need to check this where the air was found to be blowing.
COLD and WEAK
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Hello Dear members, How goes preparations for Chrismas? With me all is well, only ups and downs here and there.
Any idea, both heating and air conditioning have just stopped working in my omega (Speed Bird). Please if possible help, its even forming ice inside the windscreen, its really severe.
Thank you in advance.
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Hello honourable members, are you having a joyous new year? I’m wishing you the best in this year. I have good news about the heating of my omega. I managed to flush the matrix for almost 40 minutes thus 20 mins one way then 20 mins in reverse. I then flushed the whole system, fill new coolant. Start the engine; turn on the heat on control panel to maximum, then in less than a minute the car was heat up, now the heat is on, good bye to cold! Thanks to you generous members of this forum, you give pieces of advice without charging a penny, may the Lord bless you all. :y :y
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Great news Gibby.Glad you solved it in the end. :y
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Great news Gibby.Glad you solved it in the end. :y
Hello sir, joyous new year, thanks very much for your help. :)
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What a lovely bloke gibby is, he could give a few here some pointers on good manners & civility ::) :y ;)
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He is indeed a lovely bloke,even more so in person. :y
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What a lovely bloke gibby is, he could give a few here some pointers on good manners & civility ::) :y ;)
Thanks sir, I really appreciate your compliments, Have a joyous new year, wishing you all the best :y