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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Tonka. on 03 December 2012, 09:13:07
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Since my old drill whirred its last a while ago I have missed it and have now got sick of getting the cables out for the most minimal job.
SWMBO wants to buy me a new cordless drill for Christmas to stop me moaning :)
I have been drawn to this one from B & Q
http://www.diy.com/nav/fix/power-tools/drilling-screwdriving/drilling/-brand-Ryobi/Ryobi-One-Plus-Combi-Hammer-Drill-with-2xBatteries-12408577?view-all=brand (http://www.diy.com/nav/fix/power-tools/drilling-screwdriving/drilling/-brand-Ryobi/Ryobi-One-Plus-Combi-Hammer-Drill-with-2xBatteries-12408577?view-all=brand)
It won't be used all day every day but just for light DIY. What do you chaps think? Any alternatives you might recommend? :y
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We had a discussion about drills not long ago, I think the prefered choice was either DeWalt or Makita 18v with two batteries around the £100 mark. Personal choice really and the amount of use it will get.
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I would not buy a Ryobi, I think you would be better off with one of these,
http://www.screwfix.com/p/makita-bhp453rftk-18v-li-ion-combi-drill-with-101-piece-accessory-kit/20547
http://www.screwfix.com/p/dewalt-dc100ka-gb-18v-1-3ah-ni-cd-cordless-combi-drill/73596
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http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=108482.0
This was the previous thread :y
P.S Mines the DeWalt and perfectly happy with it for general DIY :y
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I also got one some yrs ago didn't use every day and the battery went flat soon :( after going to validate the warranty I got the next answer : "Ahh...battery needs more times using per week to keep it in good condition then your warranty doesn't work in this case!" So mate, be certain of whether warranty lives with or without battery and keep the rules of battery handling. Good luck ! :y
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It was my drill thread :D :D
In the end, I got my hands on the Makita 18 volt with the 3Ah Li-On battery.
Believe this or not, I have used it for day to day business use / drilling holes in everything you can think off for the last 4 weeks.
I have had a wire wheel on the end and ground out all the rust and crap out of my wheel arches and doors on the car. I have even cut a hole with a 4 inch core bit threw a wall with a core bit for a fan AND I HAVE ONLY CHARGED IT TWICE :o :o :o
I have only used Ni-cad's in the past and tbh, when they are newish, they do the job but this drill and battery is INCREDIBLE :o :o
It just won't die :D :D
If you can't push the boat out to 150 quid that this makita cost (with a bloody good drill bit set included) I believe they are doing the same drill with 2 x 1.2 Ah batterys for about 120 quid.
If you do get either of these, you won't be disapointed believe me :y :y
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What ever you buy, make sure it is a Li-on battery model as you can charge it up when its not flat, unlike a Ni-cad. ni-cads "code" the battery so it will never take a full charge if re-caharged when part used. The Makita does seem to be the drill of choice on just about every building site nowdays. yes, there are other makes in use, but the makita has been so popular, the price has been brought down to DIY model levels. Plus, you can but naked units and use the battery(s) in them as well. Naked units work out very cheap as there is no batterys or chargers being supplied with them.
Keith B
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I bought the makita after the last discussion, and am very pleased with it :y :y :y
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As mentioned before (and ignored by some sadly), the Nicad is a perfect solution IF the charger is any good (and many are not). The charger alone will determine how many years the battery lasts at max capacity. The sad fact is that many of the charging solutions are second rate (even on the premium brand products) with one of the only exceptions being the makita where the charger is excellent.
Nicads can be charged from half empty without any issues if charged properly.
However, Screwfix have a deal on at the moment:
http://www.screwfix.com/p/makita-bhp453sh-18v-1-3ah-li-ion-cordless-combi-drill/58614?_requestid=477047
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What ever you buy, make sure it is a Li-on battery model as you can charge it up when its not flat, unlike a Ni-cad. ni-cads "code" the battery so it will never take a full charge if re-caharged when part used. The Makita does seem to be the drill of choice on just about every building site nowdays. yes, there are other makes in use, but the makita has been so popular, the price has been brought down to DIY model levels. Plus, you can but naked units and use the battery(s) in them as well. Naked units work out very cheap as there is no batterys or chargers being supplied with them.
Keith B
Very much a myth in reality...... :y
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I bought this one ..
http://www.screwfix.com/p/makita-8391dwpetk-18v-combi-drill-101-piece-accessory-kit/83834#
but while it was on special offer .. paid just over 1/2 that price !!! :)
Thanks to MTDM ... for the timely advice :)
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I bought this one ..
http://www.screwfix.com/p/makita-8391dwpetk-18v-combi-drill-101-piece-accessory-kit/83834#
but while it was on special offer .. paid just over 1/2 that price !!! :)
Thanks to MTDM ... for the timely advice :)
Me too .... and mine came with three batteries for 99 quid all in! :y
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The Makita Nicad units are very good and with two batteries, excellent.
I have had mine since the store in Nottingham opened which is 4 or 5 years+ and it gets HEAVY use....batteries are still good and it works great.
On the 'memory effect' myth, the so called memory effect is something that is observed due to over charging, on cheap units this is obvious but, the pricier units use a microcontroller to detect a voltage slope change and this can also over charge!. The better circuits monitor temperature, current and voltage to detect a fully charged state which stops this 'effect'.
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The Nicad one:
http://www.screwfix.com/p/makita-8391dwpe-18v-combi-drill/84044
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go to aldi they have a li-on one for 40 pounds with a 3 year warranty.
paying 100 pounds is great if you going to use it regular but something thats going to sit in the garage for 90% of the time 100 is a waste to me still it depends on how deep your pockets are.
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go to aldi they have a li-on one for 40 pounds with a 3 year warranty.
paying 100 pounds is great if you going to use it regular but something thats going to sit in the garage for 90% of the time 100 is a waste to me still it depends on how deep your pockets are.
Possibly true .. but mine is used nearly every weekend .... for winding the legs on the tin tent up and down a couple of times .. :)
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The men around me in the past have been heavy in praise indeed about Bosch drills.
I was thinking myself I need a cordless, as my garage has no power laid on. So looking at the Screw-fix site that has been provided on here, I note the following Bosch models:
http://www.screwfix.com/search.do?fh_search=cordless+combi+drill&fh_view_size=20&fhSearchParams=fh_location%3D%2F%2Fscrewfix%2Fen_GB%2F%24s%3Dcordless%5Cu0020combi%5Cu0020drill%2Fsegment%3D%7Bscrewfix%7D%2Fbrand%3D%7Bbosch%7D%26fh_refview%3Dsearch%26fh_reffacet%3Dbrand%26fh_eds%3D%25C3%259F%26fh_refpath%3Dfacet_88934134&fh_sort_by=&customPrice=&priceFrom=&priceTo=&priceFilterOn=&_requestid=526095
Some are very pricey, but with the £100 budget suggested by the OP for his needs, there are three in particular that catch my eye, one model has model £80 off RRP!
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Bosch were great 10+ years ago, not nearly as good these days. :y
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Bosch were great 10+ years ago, not nearly as good these days. :y
Ah, right, Thanks Mark :y :y
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The Nicad one:
http://www.screwfix.com/p/makita-8391dwpe-18v-combi-drill/84044
Thanks for all your help folks :y
Mark. The Makita 8391 is less than £90 in B&Q, so I think I will go with that. Thanks for the advice. :y
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If its just for diy stuff, it will do a good job :y
Just don't let the batterys get too cold though, they don't like it ;)
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Batteries, LiON has little memory effect, but prone to failure, sometimes catastrophic. Generally good for 300+ charges or 2-3yrs. Cannot recover from deep discharge. Very good capacity.
NiCAD does have significant memory effect, even with decent delta chargers - some top end chargers will discharge first. Generally robust, and have a good life if looked after. Shite chargers (such as those from Hitachi, Clarke (who use Hitachi) and Bosch) wreck them quickly.
MiNmh is a bit of a halfway house, but needs better chargers than NiCAD
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Batteries, LiON has little memory effect, but prone to failure, sometimes catastrophic. Generally good for 300+ charges or 2-3yrs. Cannot recover from deep discharge. Very good capacity.
NiCAD does have significant memory effect, even with decent delta chargers - some top end chargers will discharge first. Generally robust, and have a good life if looked after. Shite chargers (such as those from Hitachi, Clarke (who use Hitachi) and Bosch) wreck them quickly.
MiNmh is a bit of a halfway house, but needs better chargers than NiCAD
You can't break the laws of chemistry, at least not entirely ;)
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NiCAD does have significant memory effect, even with decent delta chargers - some top end chargers will discharge first. Generally robust, and have a good life if looked after. Shite chargers (such as those from Hitachi, Clarke (who use Hitachi) and Bosch) wreck them quickly.
No it doesn't, never has had significant memory effect.
Having at one point spent 2 years running a project developing from scratch a standbye telecoms battery backup solution where we looked at Nicads, Nimh and lead acid I can assure you that the nicad memory effect is an urban myth where the phrase was associated with overcharged batteries. :y
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Just to let you know what I got from SWMBO for Christmas...........
The Makita 8391. Absolutely brilliant :)
Thanks folks :y