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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: takemineanywhere on 04 December 2012, 16:03:11
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Hiall.I,ve just done a bit of a prewinter check & noticed uneven front tyre wear on my 2000 2.5td.They are 2 years old ACCELERO ALPHA & are worn quite badly on the inside of the tyre more so the os .I cant remember if tracking was adjusted when they were fitted,i think so.When driving hands off the steering wheel it pulls sharply to the left.Any ideas as to what needs doing BEFORE i go to kwiq fit?I run the tyres at 36 front &back.cheers.
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Hiall.I,ve just done a bit of a prewinter check & noticed uneven front tyre wear on my 2000 2.5td.They are 2 years old ACCELERO ALPHA & are worn quite badly on the inside of the tyre more so the os .I cant remember if tracking was adjusted when they were fitted,i think so.When driving hands off the steering wheel it pulls sharply to the left.Any ideas as to what needs doing BEFORE i go to kwiq fit?I run the tyres at 36 front &back.cheers.
Don't go to quick fit full stop ;)
First get the wishbone bushes checked... then give these guys a call:
www.wheels-inmotion.co.uk
Tracking is not enough. You need geometry to include camber, etc.
:y
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Hiall.I,ve just done a bit of a prewinter check & noticed uneven front tyre wear on my 2000 2.5td.They are 2 years old ACCELERO ALPHA & are worn quite badly on the inside of the tyre more so the os .I cant remember if tracking was adjusted when they were fitted,i think so.When driving hands off the steering wheel it pulls sharply to the left.Any ideas as to what needs doing BEFORE i go to kwiq fit?I run the tyres at 36 front &back.cheers.
Don't go to quick fit full stop ;)
First get the wishbone bushes checked... then give these guys a call:
www.wheels-inmotion.co.uk
Tracking is not enough. You need geometry to include camber, etc.
:y
Agreed. Check wishbones, steering idler and ball joints. Then a visit to WIM for Full Geometry ;) They aren't far from you and worth the extra cost :y :y
As an aside, that uneven wear will now continue throughout the life of the tyre ;)
Oh, and as for Kwik Fit....... I wouldn't let them fit a wheelbarrow tyre
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Agree with the comments above, the camber sounds like its increased. Needs a full geo, by somebody who knows what they are doing... ...which rules out Shit Fit
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ok then,before i call wim whos best for checking it over.vx dealer or what?
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YOU, your the best to check it over, read some of the maintenance guides and see if you need to do some work first, or you can get WIM to do it for you, but that would mean a return trip to WIM. Dont go near a stealer, they cant diagnois a blown fuse let alone camber issues. ::)
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Or you could pm elite pete, or even james v6cdx both well respected OOF mechanics to check it for you., but that would mean a bit of travelling.
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ok then,before i call wim whos best for checking it over.vx dealer or what?
Vauxhall dealer's service departments are generally a waste of time, sadly. Might be worth seeing if any local Swinod members are willing to show you what to look for, if you are not confident yourself?
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ok then,before i call wim whos best for checking it over.vx dealer or what?
There`s a WIM franchise in Bristol, bit nearer for you.
http://www.fcmwheelalignment.co.uk/#/contact-page/4546953312
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I think there's a WIM franchise in Melksham now .. but I can't get on the WIM site to check.
There is a place in Swindon that has the same Hunter kit as WIM .. but I have no idea if they know how to use it properly ... :(
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http://www.4wheelalignmentwiltshire.co.uk/
http://www.carsontyre.co.uk/
2 Lancaster Park
Bowerhill Industrial Estate
Melksham
Wiltshire
SN12 6TT
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Yup .. thats the one .. found a different way of getting to the map ... looks like WIM have an HTTPS problem at the moment...
http://www.wheels-inmotion.co.uk/tyre-fitting-centres.php
I have NOT used these guys, I've only ever been to Chesham .. :)
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i found the place in swindon that has the hunter machine. its imperial tyres on elgin estate.i,ll go see them tomorrow.thanks everyone
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Be aware though, simply having the correct equipment does not mean they know what settings to use. Vx factory settings are worse than useless. As the tolerances are massive. "in the green" can still destroy tyres at an expensive rate.
They will need to be far more accurate than factory settings allow.
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Had just the same problem on my front tyres, down to the second rubber just on the inside. The correct Omega camber is set to cause that anyway but these were pretty bad. WIM is nowhere near me, I tried National Tyres, they had all the gear and no idea (the batteries in their fancy expensive wireless wheel sensors were flat) and told me camber could't be adjusted (despite me showing them which bolt to adjust), idiots. Went to Feltham Tyres in the end http://www.felthamtyre.co.uk they reset the camber and knew exactly what they were doing and were very familiar with omegas. Low price too.
A good sign is if they check the tyre pressures are equal before any test, if they don't it's all a waste of your time and money and tyres.
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I used feltham tyres a few years ago and they said they knew the omegas problems, so i trusted them, big mistake, they loaded the front foot wells with weight and promptley set the tolerances to the green factory settings, 6 months later the tyres were compleatly bald and almost thought to the canvass.
I then became a member on here and WIM were recommended, took it there, and to this day no more tyres being fubar'd.
lesson Learnt.
Gary.
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Had just the same problem on my front tyres, down to the second rubber just on the inside. The correct Omega camber is set to cause that anyway but these were pretty bad. WIM is nowhere near me, I tried National Tyres, they had all the gear and no idea (the batteries in their fancy expensive wireless wheel sensors were flat) and told me camber could't be adjusted (despite me showing them which bolt to adjust), idiots. Went to Feltham Tyres in the end http://www.felthamtyre.co.uk they reset the camber and knew exactly what they were doing and were very familiar with omegas. Low price too.
A good sign is if they check the tyre pressures are equal before any test, if they don't it's all a waste of your time and money and tyres.
They're even further from me but I don't trust anyone else to do my geometry... At the end of the day, it costs less than half a tyre in fuel to visit them and they do it right :y
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they loaded the front foot wells with weight and promptley set the tolerances to the green factory settings, 6 months later the tyres were compleatly bald and almost thought to the canvass.
Bald all over or on the inside or outside edges? Both? Or the middle? Any feathering? I don't understand the weights, they didn't do that with my full adjustment. Adding weights before the camber setting would make it slightly less negative, maybe even positive, when the weights were removed. Less negative would mean less wear on the inside and longer lasting tyres (at the expense of worse handling). Positive (unlikely) would mean wear on the outside edges. I think for your tyres to go in 6 months maybe they set the tracking way out. I can't think of a reason to add weights to set the tracking but I wouldn't think it would affect it that much. Did it handle OK when you drove off? Did WIM add weights?
Incidentally I did 180K on my first omega with factory settings and no adjustments at all. I never noticed any unusual wear on the tyres, perhaps a bit on the inside edges but not significant. My tyres always got replaced due to general lack of tread or punctures outside the main tread. Mind you I do tend to drive straight everywhere and never brake. SWMBO complains I do straight 60 on both motorways and on roundabouts. If it wasn't for traffic lights I would never stop and even for them you can sail though if you time it right and there's no old lady standing there.
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Weights... Theory being that the weight replicates the missing driver/passengers, or whatever weight is in the car normally. The ride height affects camber, and therefor the best average ride height is dialed in when the camber is set.
This is partly why we say to check a car suspension and steering prior to set up, as soft and worn shocks and springs bounce around more, increasing suspension movement>ride height varies>camber deflects more>tyres wear more>handling goes off quicker. (if you have an elite which has very soft suspension, drive like Tunnie ;) )
Sounds like Ffcgarys Feltham tyres had good intentions with the weights, but made the common mistake of trusting the factory settings, which can go as negative as -2.** camber. This setting is completely unacceptable. Even 30mm lowered irmscher suspension recommends no more than -1.40. (which is still too much)
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GMs settings (which are rubbish anyway, esp as the car ages) are based on 2 people in each front seat, hence why GM's settings have a little more camber than expected. This is what the weights are for.
Inner shoulder wear is caused (only) by too much camber. No ifs or buts. Obviously worn suspension components can through it out, but invariably its the settings are guff. Only sensible advice is to check and replace worn suspension components, and then get it set up by somebody who knows what they are doing. This latter bit is where most geometry and tyre places seem to fall over...
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Inner shoulder wear is caused (only) by too much camber. No ifs or buts.
But if a car has negative camber as standard (lots do for handling reasons including the omega) surely you're always going to get a bit more wear on the insides aren't you?
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0d/MillikenMX1CamberCar1960.jpg/220px-MillikenMX1CamberCar1960.jpg)
Even zero camber tyres will get more inside edge wear due to the camber that all single carriageway roads have.
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ok then,before i call wim whos best for checking it over.vx dealer or what?
James v6cdx is not far from you, and would probably travel for beer tokens to Swidnod, I also note on another thread that he is free this week. :y
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I should have stated the inside edge of the tyres were bald to the canvas after feltham tyres set the geo, useing the weights in the footwells.
Gary.
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i found the place in swindon that has the hunter machine. its imperial tyres on elgin estate.i,ll go see them tomorrow.thanks everyone
Dont go there. They did mine and made my car worse. Not recommended. :'( they told me the car was pulling to the left because of my tires. changed tires and still pulling to the left. Avoid them. I will never use them again.