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Title: Shale Gas
Post by: omega3000 on 13 December 2012, 22:39:34
Interesting video of how its done , if its the same process they plan to do here ..

Shale Gas (http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=shale%20gas%20exploration&source=video&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CEIQtwIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DVjYxkw14eVs&ei=_lXKUPfxDYSi0QWtvYH4AQ&usg=AFQjCNGmYdsNanoDmreb6EcJi-qFRosCFA)  :-\
Title: Re: Shale Gas
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 13 December 2012, 23:22:20
Thanks! That's interesting.  :y  I wonder what the 'additives' are??  ???  :-\
Title: Re: Shale Gas
Post by: cleggy on 14 December 2012, 06:45:01
Very Interesting  :y

I was wondering the same, all the reports state that they put Water, Sand and Chemicals under pressure into the rock.

What CHEMICALS ???
Title: Re: Shale Gas
Post by: Steve Brookman on 14 December 2012, 07:42:09
Morning all,
There was a program on a while back that showed side effects of this in the USA. It contaminated the groundwater so much in some areas that you could set alight the water coming out of the tap. There was a big cover up by the authorities.

Steve
Title: Re: Shale Gas
Post by: omega3000 on 14 December 2012, 13:41:16
Morning all,
There was a program on a while back that showed side effects of this in the USA. It contaminated the groundwater so much in some areas that you could set alight the water coming out of the tap. There was a big cover up by the authorities.

Steve

 :o :o

That fracturing looks a bit dodgy , amazed it does not cause surface fractures making big holes in the ground and gas to escape  :-\
Title: Re: Shale Gas
Post by: Abiton on 14 December 2012, 14:42:05
This vid has a list at one point (about 4 mins in) of the chemicals that are added:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VY34PQUiwOQ

I'm all for it TBH.  Aquifer contamination looks to be pretty easily avoided as that is all much shallower than the shale formations of interest.
Title: Re: Shale Gas
Post by: Varche on 14 December 2012, 15:20:49
Regardless of any issues fracking causes (water course contamination, pollution and earthquakes) Britain has to pursue the release of shale gas. The economy is relying on it.

Tax revenue for the treasury from the exploiters and (ermmm) reduced energy bills for the users. Fracked gas could/will supply about a quarter of the UKs needs. In reality bills won't go up quite as quickly.

Let us hope the pain will be outweighed by the gain.  :y
Title: Re: Shale Gas
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 14 December 2012, 15:28:05
I'm undecided..... Here's the other side of the story...  :-\

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEB_Wwe-uBM
Title: Re: Shale Gas
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 14 December 2012, 15:43:06
Regardless of any issues fracking causes (water course contamination, pollution and earthquakes) Britain has to pursue the release of shale gas. The economy is relying on it.

Tax revenue for the treasury from the exploiters and (ermmm) reduced energy bills for the users. Fracked gas could/will supply about a quarter of the UKs needs. In reality bills won't go up quite as quickly.

Let us hope the pain will be outweighed by the gain.  :y

Argeed :y :y
Title: Re: Shale Gas
Post by: Nickbat on 14 December 2012, 16:06:53
Morning all,
There was a program on a while back that showed side effects of this in the USA. It contaminated the groundwater so much in some areas that you could set alight the water coming out of the tap. There was a big cover up by the authorities.

Steve
No, I don't believe so. Apparently, residents of that area in Colorado have been able to set light to their taps in that way at least since the 1930s. It's a naturally-occurring mixture of groundwater and methane.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9CfUm0QeOk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9CfUm0QeOk)  :y
Title: Re: Shale Gas
Post by: Rods2 on 15 December 2012, 20:22:36
Most of the popular stories on contamination have been disproved as scare stores by tree hugging yogurt knitters.  :o :o :o :o

In the Blackpool Basin the fracking strata is about 2000ft below any drinking water aquifers, but there is a case for strong regulation, to make sure there are no leaks in the pipes pumping the chemicals as this could affect water supplies.

The shale gas is in a much thicker layer that in typical US deposits, so it should mean fewer drilling points and less horizontal drilling to recover the same amount of gas.  :y :y :y :y

Fast exploitation of this may mean the difference between the UK economy growing and avoiding a sovereign default, so we have no real choice but to go ahead.

Don't be surprised if the EU ban the technology, through a combination of French Socialists who have banned fracking in France for political reasons and German Greens. This is already on the EU's tree hugging agenda and maybe the straw that breaks the camels back over the UK's EU membership.
Title: Re: Shale Gas
Post by: albitz on 15 December 2012, 20:36:11
If it causes an earthquake which causes Blackpool to disappear into the sea,and also potentially leads to us leaving the EU Im struggling to see a downside tbh. ;D ;D
Title: Re: Shale Gas
Post by: omega3000 on 15 December 2012, 21:02:40
If it causes an earthquake which causes Blackpool to disappear into the sea,and also potentially leads to us leaving the EU Im struggling to see a downside tbh. ;D ;D

 ;D
Title: Re: Shale Gas
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 15 December 2012, 21:04:44
If it speeds up Great Britain's exit from the EU then I'm convinced and all for it!!  ;D  Let's Frack on with it!!!!  :y
Title: Re: Shale Gas
Post by: cleggy on 16 December 2012, 09:56:37
If it speeds up Great Britain's exit from the EU then I'm convinced and all for it!!  ;D  Let's Frack on with it!!!!  :y

 :y :y :y :y :y :y :y :y :y
Title: Re: Shale Gas
Post by: Varche on 16 December 2012, 10:01:38
Now is a good time to be holding or buying Weir shares. World leader in supplying fracking equipment. Sell some of your gold. :y
Title: Re: Shale Gas
Post by: omega3000 on 16 December 2012, 13:59:26
(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc41/milleblack/fracking-graphic.jpg)
Title: Re: Shale Gas
Post by: bootie on 16 December 2012, 16:30:05
Well the scientists that are worried about cemented casing cracking are obviously not the same scientists that work out the cement casing for deep drilling that we use (well apart from the chaps that devised the cementing programme for the deepwater horizon)
Offshore we have been 'Acid' fracking for years, that is to break up a stubborn formation and allow oil (and gas) back up to surface.

Yes, I know this is much shallower and there are potential for communication between zones, but I would say the Elf and safety blokes will have a big big handle on this with regard to regulation. If they apply the rigorous criteria onshore as they offshore then IMHO everything should be A OK.

Go for it I say.