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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Sir Tigger KC on 22 December 2012, 00:00:56
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So a week after the Newtown school massacre in Conneticut, the National Rifle Association (NRA) has called for an armed guard at every school in America, saying "The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun" Basically they're saying that the answer to gun violence on US streets is... more guns!! :-\
This on the same day that 3 innocent people were shot and killed in rural Pennsylvania in an apparent motiveless random shooting.... :'(
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/12/21/us-usa-shooting-pennsylvania-idUSBRE8BK0Y520121221
To be honest I don't know what the answer is, as the culture in the US surrounding guns is very different to here, but I don't think that armed guards in every school is the answer. However, by all accounts sales of semi-automatic assault rifles have rocketed this week as people snap them up before any new legislation is passed banning such weapons... Crazy!!! :o
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Imagine being able to throw one of these little babies in your trolley down at Tesco!!! :)
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Sig-Sauer-M400-Enhanced-Carbine-ODG-with-Rifle-Bag/21677318
:o :o :o
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I don't have an in depth understanding of American Culture or an understanding of their Gun Laws, but I don't think the Gun Law is the primary problem, this the reason for the 'twisted people' and their understanding that needs consideration IMO However it does seem that the average person on the street can arm themselves, over the counter, with better equipment than our Troops in battle have, perhaps if such weapons of mass destruction were less available any killing sprees would, at least be smaller..... :-\ :-\ :-\
I worry about the message a Policeman in every school will give out, but can see the argument for, perhaps a 'Plain clothes' officer may be more appropriate, but feel that he/she would need to be absorbed into the business of the school rather than be known as a 'Guard'...........Just my thoughts...... :)
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Imagine being able to throw one of these little babies in your trolley down at Tesco!!! :)
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Sig-Sauer-M400-Enhanced-Carbine-ODG-with-Rifle-Bag/21677318
:o :o :o
No, Asda, makes it worse really..... ::) ::) ::)
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The real trick is to tell the difference between the bad guy, and the good guy, of course. ::)
So, good guy sitting in an office at the school, with weapon, bored witless. Bad guy goes postal. How many magazines has he got through before good guy has even put his doughnut down? ::)
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Imagine being able to throw one of these little babies in your trolley down at Tesco!!! :)
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Sig-Sauer-M400-Enhanced-Carbine-ODG-with-Rifle-Bag/21677318
:o :o :o
No, Asda, makes it worse really..... ::) ::) ::)
Well yes I knew that, but quoted Tesco as our biggest supermarket. :)
To be honest I've always been fascinated by US gunshops and if/when I go there I'll go and have a lookysee! but I was quite shocked when I recently found out that you can buy guns at your local supermarket! :o
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I still vividly remember my first U.S. supermarket experience.Strolling down the aisles - bread in one,sweets & biscuits in the next,guns,ammo & fishing tackle in the next......
Couldnt believe my eyes. I loved the place though,and if I were younger and less skint I would seriously consider moving there.
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So a week after the Newtown school massacre in Conneticut, the National Rifle Association (NRA) has called for an armed guard at every school in America, saying "The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun" Basically they're saying that the answer to gun violence on US streets is... more guns!! :-\
This on the same day that 3 innocent people were shot and killed in rural Pennsylvania in an apparent motiveless random shooting.... :'(
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/12/21/us-usa-shooting-pennsylvania-idUSBRE8BK0Y520121221 (http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/12/21/us-usa-shooting-pennsylvania-idUSBRE8BK0Y520121221)
To be honest I don't know what the answer is, as the culture in the US surrounding guns is very different to here, but I don't think that armed guards in every school is the answer. However, by all accounts sales of semi-automatic assault rifles have rocketed this week as people snap them up before any new legislation is passed banning such weapons... Crazy!!! :o
Imo guns in a modern civilization life is a definite no no.. but for America a quick solution may be to use armed security as I said before.. here also guns are a part of our culture, but honestly speaking a culture existing with guns in my view is not a culture.. its a barbaristic tribe instead of a civilization..
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The real trick is to tell the difference between the bad guy, and the good guy, of course. ::)
So, good guy sitting in an office at the school, with weapon, bored witless. Bad guy goes postal. How many magazines has he got through before good guy has even put his doughnut down? ::)
None!
He's in hospital because he shot himself (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b02fDSAGk5s) in the foot with a Glock 40 ;D
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So a week after the Newtown school massacre in Conneticut, the National Rifle Association (NRA) has called for an armed guard at every school in America, saying "The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun" Basically they're saying that the answer to gun violence on US streets is... more guns!! :-\
This on the same day that 3 innocent people were shot and killed in rural Pennsylvania in an apparent motiveless random shooting.... :'(
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/12/21/us-usa-shooting-pennsylvania-idUSBRE8BK0Y520121221 (http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/12/21/us-usa-shooting-pennsylvania-idUSBRE8BK0Y520121221)
To be honest I don't know what the answer is, as the culture in the US surrounding guns is very different to here, but I don't think that armed guards in every school is the answer. However, by all accounts sales of semi-automatic assault rifles have rocketed this week as people snap them up before any new legislation is passed banning such weapons... Crazy!!! :o
Imo guns in a modern civilization life is a definite no no.. but for America a quick solution may be to use armed security as I said before.. here also guns are a part of our culture, but honestly speaking a culture existing with guns in my view is not a culture.. its a barbaristic tribe instead of a civilization..
Yep. Just outlaw guns. I don't see what the objection is. Ok, people say they want to arm themselves, but if guns were not easily obtainable like in other cultures, then there would not be a need for everyone to have a gun under their pillow. In western Europe, people generally speaking don't have guns in their house / cars, because guns laws prevent it. Yeah, you get the odd madman, like in Oslo, which unfortunately is always going to be the case.
As said in another post, it's a mentally, a culture, a habit - one that nobody really ever questions. A typical example of the human nature of "we've always done it this way, so we won't change"
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The real trick is to tell the difference between the bad guy, and the good guy, of course. ::)
So, good guy sitting in an office at the school, with weapon, bored witless. Bad guy goes postal. How many magazines has he got through before good guy has even put his doughnut down? ::)
None!
He's in hospital because he shot himself (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b02fDSAGk5s) in the foot with a Glock 40 ;D
he may be incompetent or idiot or whatever.. but think like that when there is a deadly virus around.. dont you use a preventive injection.. leaving children defenseless in a mad crowd imo is unforgivable!!
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Explain the Swiss. ..they have more guns per capita than the USA...but
A lot less gun crime..what the USA needs is a proper health care system where people with mental health problems can be helped......guns don't kill people...people do
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Explain the Swiss. ..they have more guns per capita than the USA...but
A lot less gun crime..what the USA needs is a proper health care system where people with mental health problems can be helped......guns don't kill people...people do
People with guns kill people... :-\ :'(
As I understand it in Switzerland when young men complete their compulsory military service they are then automatically army reservists for 10 years and yes keep their rifles at home, however they are not allowed to keep ammunition and in the event of a call up are issued ammunition at the base. Also I think that when the 10 years is up and they are no longer reservists they hand their weapon back. :)
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Imagine being able to throw one of these little babies in your trolley down at Tesco!!! :)
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Sig-Sauer-M400-Enhanced-Carbine-ODG-with-Rifle-Bag/21677318
:o :o :o
I remember seeing guns being sold in Walmart when I have visited the States on many occasions, and I still find it absolutely chilling! ::) ::) ::) ::) The USA, I love her, but she is a different culture to ours and I am convinced our British brains can never give answers to a very complex American issue.
I just pray they find answers soonest. :( :( :(
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Imagine being able to throw one of these little babies in your trolley down at Tesco!!! :)
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Sig-Sauer-M400-Enhanced-Carbine-ODG-with-Rifle-Bag/21677318
:o :o :o
In most states you can't just walk out with it unless you already have a licence though ;)
Not dramatically different to visiting a gun shop here in the UK... If you have the correct paperwork and space for the weapon (most/all UK gun licences have a limited number of "slots" for weapons) you can take it home ;)
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Imagine being able to throw one of these little babies in your trolley down at Tesco!!! :)
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Sig-Sauer-M400-Enhanced-Carbine-ODG-with-Rifle-Bag/21677318
:o :o :o
In most states you can't just walk out with it unless you already have a licence though ;)
Not dramatically different to visiting a gun shop here in the UK... If you have the correct paperwork and space for the weapon (most/all UK gun licences have a limited number of "slots" for weapons) you can take it home ;)
Maybe, but it does clearly show the mentality and culture of many Americans. To them there is a close association between the products of human survival, food and drink, and their other essential of life, guns to defend the homestead, which still plays to their imagination.
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Imagine being able to throw one of these little babies in your trolley down at Tesco!!! :)
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Sig-Sauer-M400-Enhanced-Carbine-ODG-with-Rifle-Bag/21677318
:o :o :o
In most states you can't just walk out with it unless you already have a licence though ;)
Not dramatically different to visiting a gun shop here in the UK... If you have the correct paperwork and space for the weapon (most/all UK gun licences have a limited number of "slots" for weapons) you can take it home ;)
Maybe, but it does clearly show the mentality and culture of many Americans. To them there is a close association between the products of human survival, food and drink, and their other essential of life, guns to defend the homestead, which still plays to their imagination.
It's more for hunting ;) But if I lived in the states I'd have weapons at home. I'm still considering joining my local gun club as I enjoy target shooting and (appropriate) hunting... Would that mean that because I have weapons at home I'm going to go on a rampage? ???
As said before, it's not the fact that weapons are available that is the issue. The problem is that someone with a mental health problem was given access to them ;) There should be more regulation on the storage of weapons too IMHO ;)
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Imagine being able to throw one of these little babies in your trolley down at Tesco!!! :)
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Sig-Sauer-M400-Enhanced-Carbine-ODG-with-Rifle-Bag/21677318
:o :o :o
In most states you can't just walk out with it unless you already have a licence though ;)
Not dramatically different to visiting a gun shop here in the UK... If you have the correct paperwork and space for the weapon (most/all UK gun licences have a limited number of "slots" for weapons) you can take it home ;)
I disagree with that LD. Gunshops here only sell sporting guns for a start, many of the weapons on offer in the US are unavailable here and many have restrictions such as having to keep them at a gunclub. Quite rightly so, in my view! :)
I wouldn't be at all surprised if I as a foriegner could buy an assault rifle in some states or at a gun show for example where background checks for private sales are not mandatory..... :o I bet provided you had the cash you'd easily find someone to sell you one! Of course with a bit of persistence and determination I'm sure you could obtain such a weapon here too, just not as easily. ;)
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Imagine being able to throw one of these little babies in your trolley down at Tesco!!! :)
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Sig-Sauer-M400-Enhanced-Carbine-ODG-with-Rifle-Bag/21677318
:o :o :o
In most states you can't just walk out with it unless you already have a licence though ;)
Not dramatically different to visiting a gun shop here in the UK... If you have the correct paperwork and space for the weapon (most/all UK gun licences have a limited number of "slots" for weapons) you can take it home ;)
I disagree with that LD. Gunshops here only sell sporting guns for a start, many of the weapons on offer in the US are unavailable here and many have restrictions such as having to keep them at a gunclub. Quite rightly so, in my view! :)
I wouldn't be at all surprised if I as a foriegner could buy an assault rifle in some states or at a gun show for example where background checks for private sales are not mandatory..... :o I bet provided you had the cash you'd easily find someone to sell you one! Of course with a bit of persistence and determination I'm sure you could obtain such a weapon here too, just not as easily. ;)
I bet it's a lot easier than you think ;) Although it would also require a large sum of money ;)
Gunshops here sell sporting guns, yes. But sporting guns are no less dangerous than assault rifles ;) If someone went on the rampage with a solid projectile hunting rifle they could do just as much damage, and you can keep them at home (with the correct storage arrangements and licence) ;)
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Imagine being able to throw one of these little babies in your trolley down at Tesco!!! :)
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Sig-Sauer-M400-Enhanced-Carbine-ODG-with-Rifle-Bag/21677318
:o :o :o
In most states you can't just walk out with it unless you already have a licence though ;)
Not dramatically different to visiting a gun shop here in the UK... If you have the correct paperwork and space for the weapon (most/all UK gun licences have a limited number of "slots" for weapons) you can take it home ;)
I disagree with that LD. Gunshops here only sell sporting guns for a start, many of the weapons on offer in the US are unavailable here and many have restrictions such as having to keep them at a gunclub. Quite rightly so, in my view! :)
I wouldn't be at all surprised if I as a foriegner could buy an assault rifle in some states or at a gun show for example where background checks for private sales are not mandatory..... :o I bet provided you had the cash you'd easily find someone to sell you one! Of course with a bit of persistence and determination I'm sure you could obtain such a weapon here too, just not as easily. ;)
I bet it's a lot easier than you think ;) Although it would also require a large sum of money ;)
Gunshops here sell sporting guns, yes. But sporting guns are no less dangerous than assault rifles ;) If someone went on the rampage with a solid projectile hunting rifle they could do just as much damage, and you can keep them at home (with the correct storage arrangements and licence) ;)
I'll disagree with that statement too!! :P At least with a double barreled shotgun or single shot rifle the assailant has to pause to reload, giving people a chance to respond or take cover, whereas a semi automatic assault rifle with a 30 round magazine will do a lot more damage before the assailant has to pause his/her assault! ;)
Of course we can never legislate or regulate for every possibility or eventuality...... :)
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Imagine being able to throw one of these little babies in your trolley down at Tesco!!! :)
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Sig-Sauer-M400-Enhanced-Carbine-ODG-with-Rifle-Bag/21677318 (http://www.walmart.com/ip/Sig-Sauer-M400-Enhanced-Carbine-ODG-with-Rifle-Bag/21677318)
:o :o :o
In most states you can't just walk out with it unless you already have a licence though ;)
Not dramatically different to visiting a gun shop here in the UK... If you have the correct paperwork and space for the weapon (most/all UK gun licences have a limited number of "slots" for weapons) you can take it home ;)
Maybe, but it does clearly show the mentality and culture of many Americans. To them there is a close association between the products of human survival, food and drink, and their other essential of life, guns to defend the homestead, which still plays to their imagination.
It's more for hunting ;) But if I lived in the states I'd have weapons at home. I'm still considering joining my local gun club as I enjoy target shooting and (appropriate) hunting... Would that mean that because I have weapons at home I'm going to go on a rampage? ???
As said before, it's not the fact that weapons are available that is the issue. The problem is that someone with a mental health problem was given access to them ;) There should be more regulation on the storage of weapons too IMHO ;)
I dont agree LD.. you may not go rampage but the neighbours angry kid with an automatic rifle can kill many.. finding storage keys is not that hard.. similiar things happened here..
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accept it or not, guns are the easiest way to end others life.. thats a fact..
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The constitutional right to bear arms, is an important part of US culture. It is also a very good self-defense force. Who would want to invade the US with a 200 million strong Home Guard.
The issue of these cowardly attacks seem to have a profile of young male misfits. I would suggest that the storing of guns and ammunition at home should be made much more strict. Combination safes should be used and if an unlicensed person then gains access through their parent's negligence and does bad things, then the parent is held criminally responsible.
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Who shoots the armed guard in the school when he goes berserk? ::) :o :o :o
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The constitutional right to bear arms, is an important part of US culture. It is also a very good self-defense force. Who would want to invade the US with a 200 million strong Home Guard.
The issue of these cowardly attacks seem to have a profile of young male misfits. I would suggest that the storing of guns and ammunition at home should be made much more strict. Combination safes should be used and if an unlicensed person then gains access through their parent's negligence and does bad things, then the parent is held criminally responsible.
Rods keep in mind that with a basical assumption half of that is woman.. and 19/20 will hit nothing instead of the target with an optimistic ratio.. I have seen many "sharp shooters" in the army.. ;D and really cant predict how much percentage of the useful man will be voluntary in a war.. they are hiring experienced Turkish soldiers with a high salary is just an example..
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They're making a killing!!! :o :o :o
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/12/22/us-usa-gun-shows-idUSBRE8BL0DP20121222
No pun intended.....
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The US Army culture is just spray the area with automatic fire. In the Vietnam war they reckon it took 1,000,000 fired bullets to kill a Viet Cong. Once they remembered the lessons they had forgotten from WWII and re-introduced snipers their ratio was about 1.1.
Many of those will have had weapons instruction, where the US hunting / rifle club culture is strong and the size of their military means that there will be many retired ex-servicemen/women.
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and I'm really curious what is the percentage of "normal normal" people in a community regardless of USA example..
in many countries I'm afraid they are a minority.. in those countries prisons are full of those "normal" people who lost the control and shot someone.. let alone those special examples.. and I must add, I read very carefully the foreign newspapers and many experts in that subject say that this mental problem doesnt not necessarily require violence resulting to mass murder ..
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The US Army culture is just spray the area with automatic fire. In the Vietnam war they reckon it took 1,000,000 fired bullets to kill a Viet Cong. Once they remembered the lessons they had forgotten from WWII and re-introduced snipers their ratio was about 1.1.
Many of those will have had weapons instruction, where the US hunting / rifle club culture is strong and the size of their military means that there will be many retired ex-servicemen/women.
facing someone with a gun in your home is different than the army training.. so success ratio is highly discussable.. besides I dont believe that all that nonsense is necessary for some gun industry owners to earn more ..
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I wonder how many of these assault rifle owners go off into the woods and when they see a deer just spray a magazine off in the general direction, rather than taking a well aimed considered shot to kill? ???
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I wonder how many of these assault rifle owners go off into the woods and when they see a deer just spray a magazine off in the general direction, rather than taking a well aimed considered shot to kill? ???
as the old saying, sometimes " hunter becomes the hunt" ;D
and I'll ask why someone pays 900$ for an army automatic rifle.. ???
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I wonder how many of these assault rifle owners go off into the woods and when they see a deer just spray a magazine off in the general direction, rather than taking a well aimed considered shot to kill? ???
as the old saying, sometimes " hunter becomes the hunt" ;D
and I'll ask why someone pays 900$ for an army automatic rifle.. ???
Big boys toy....... ::) ::) ::)
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I wonder how many of these assault rifle owners go off into the woods and when they see a deer just spray a magazine off in the general direction, rather than taking a well aimed considered shot to kill? ???
as the old saying, sometimes " hunter becomes the hunt" ;D
and I'll ask why someone pays 900$ for an army automatic rifle.. ???
Big boys toy....... ::) ::) ::)
give them this one instead ;D
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Some of the views expressed in this thread are "interesting" to say the least.
Having visited, and made friends with, many Americans during my long association with the C130 and the RAF, the matter was discussed on many occasions.
Now, as an indicator of "american" culture it is highly flawed, as the "sample" is very narrow, being mostly American service personnel, but we did meet a large number of well educated, intelligent civilians as well.
From memory .... without doubt, virtually EVERY family had a hand gun both in the house and in every car owned, the majority of these being self loading pistols, just a few had rifles and these were always used for game/hunting. If memory serves me correctly .. some 90%-ish had sent the wife/kids to lessons on safety/handling and obviously range work.
Not a single person supported the ownership of assault weapons and multishot magazines, these were seen as pointless and a nutters" choice.
In general the NRA was seen as varying from a right wing bunch of idiots to a commercial syndicate for the sale of weapons and nothing else.
The "right to bear arms" argument was very rarely mentioned ... the sole purpose of having a weapon was a perceived "self defence/family defence" argument.
Most of the women involved wished the weapons were NOT in the house/car wherever...
Strange ideas to us .. but "normal" to the guys involved ..
If I had an answer to the problem I'd probably be worth a fortune .. but I don't and I'm not .. :(
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My view is a well trained good man with gun and a safety gate to every school. If impossible to do then make harder personal restrictions psychological test included. I don't really believe in statistics they can be manipulated easily, stats makers catch out any detail they need to prove the justice of customer ( who a business partner too) .
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Some of the views expressed in this thread are "interesting" to say the least.
Having visited, and made friends with, many Americans during my long association with the C130 and the RAF, the matter was discussed on many occasions.
Now, as an indicator of "american" culture it is highly flawed, as the "sample" is very narrow, being mostly American service personnel, but we did meet a large number of well educated, intelligent civilians as well.
From memory .... without doubt, virtually EVERY family had a hand gun both in the house and in every car owned, the majority of these being self loading pistols, just a few had rifles and these were always used for game/hunting. If memory serves me correctly .. some 90%-ish had sent the wife/kids to lessons on safety/handling and obviously range work.
Not a single person supported the ownership of assault weapons and multishot magazines, these were seen as pointless and a nutters" choice.
In general the NRA was seen as varying from a right wing bunch of idiots to a commercial syndicate for the sale of weapons and nothing else.
The "right to bear arms" argument was very rarely mentioned ... the sole purpose of having a weapon was a perceived "self defence/family defence" argument.
Most of the women involved wished the weapons were NOT in the house/car wherever...
Strange ideas to us .. but "normal" to the guys involved ..
If I had an answer to the problem I'd probably be worth a fortune .. but I don't and I'm not .. :(
Entwood, there must be a starting point to solve the problem.. if its never tried and people continue to be armed continously there will never be a solution.. and people wil continue to do die ..
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So a week after the Newtown school massacre in Conneticut, the National Rifle Association (NRA) has called for an armed guard at every school in America, saying "The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun" Basically they're saying that the answer to gun violence on US streets is... more guns!! :-\
This on the same day that 3 innocent people were shot and killed in rural Pennsylvania in an apparent motiveless random shooting.... :'(
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/12/21/us-usa-shooting-pennsylvania-idUSBRE8BK0Y520121221 (http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/12/21/us-usa-shooting-pennsylvania-idUSBRE8BK0Y520121221)
To be honest I don't know what the answer is, as the culture in the US surrounding guns is very different to here, but I don't think that armed guards in every school is the answer. However, by all accounts sales of semi-automatic assault rifles have rocketed this week as people snap them up before any new legislation is passed banning such weapons... Crazy!!! :o
Imo guns in a modern civilization life is a definite no no.. but for America a quick solution may be to use armed security as I said before.. here also guns are a part of our culture, but honestly speaking a culture existing with guns in my view is not a culture.. its a barbaristic tribe instead of a civilization..
Yep. Just outlaw guns. I don't see what the objection is. Ok, people say they want to arm themselves, but if guns were not easily obtainable like in other cultures, then there would not be a need for everyone to have a gun under their pillow. In western Europe, people generally speaking don't have guns in their house / cars, because guns laws prevent it. Yeah, you get the odd madman, like in Oslo, which unfortunately is always going to be the case.
As said in another post, it's a mentally, a culture, a habit - one that nobody really ever questions. A typical example of the human nature of "we've always done it this way, so we won't change"
:y :y :y
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Not a single person supported the ownership of assault weapons and multishot magazines, these were seen as pointless and a nutters" choice.
and there lies the crux of America's problem is that these weapons are available to 'nutters' and for whatever reason (probably profits and votes) there has been little will for change. Can you imagine what this country would be like if assault rifles could be bought with a cursory phone call from the dealer to the local police, with the amount of nutters and idiots we have here? :-\
My friend lives in Houston and said to me a while ago that when driving you never flash, beep, yell at or give anyone the finger if someone cuts you up or are driving like an idiot, because they may well have a gun and you just never know..... :o My mate's not exactly a shrinking violet either!! ;)
I wonder if in the wake of the Conneticut school massacre, George W Bush has had any regrets about letting the ban on assault rifles lapse.... ???
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Not a single person supported the ownership of assault weapons and multishot magazines, these were seen as pointless and a nutters" choice.
and there lies the crux of America's problem is that these weapons are available to 'nutters' and for whatever reason (probably profits and votes) there has been little will for change. Can you imagine what this country would be like if assault rifles could be bought with a cursory phone call from the dealer to the local police, with the amount of nutters and idiots we have here? :-\
My friend lives in Houston and said to me a while ago that when driving you never flash, beep, yell at or give anyone the finger if someone cuts you up or are driving like an idiot, because they may well have a gun and you just never know..... :o My mate's not exactly a shrinking violet either!! ;)
I wonder if in the wake of the Conneticut school massacre, George W Bush has had any regrets about letting the ban on assault rifles lapse.... ???
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some years ago, we were together a friend walking.. when passing a road,a young driver hit my friend (slowly) , then they start to argue.. finally my friend lost the control and hit to his door and the young driver took pistol from the glove box.. in that moment from the open window I caught the pistol together the drivers girl friend , we struggled a bit and took the gun >:( thats just a simple example.. many drivers here use their guns and shoot the other because they want to pass first.. so to cut short, I'll never approve/accept guns in a society whatever reasoning is done.. let alone the automatic rifles..