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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Rods2 on 13 January 2013, 21:02:04
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Nigel Farage answers Heseltine is a very able manner in a BBC interview.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-20999941 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-20999941)
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I think the Federal Europe bit is well understood.
The bit that bothers me a little is the assumption that the EU will continue to deal with Britain. Of course they will like to continue to sell their Mercs and BMW's (and Brits will continue to devour them) BUT if the Europeans get it into their heads that Britain "sold them out" by leaving the EU, then I can definitely see them boycotting Britains products. The likes of France and Spain are very nationalistic compared to Britain. People buy from people.
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Money talks ;)
If your skint, you buy what you can afford.
If our goods are cheep enough them people will buy them ;)
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If and when we leave the EU, we should devalue the pound making our goods cheaper for them and theirs more expensive here! It would be a quick shot in the arm for British business and would help offset any negative effects from the Brixit!! :)
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I think the Federal Europe bit is well understood.
The bit that bothers me a little is the assumption that the EU will continue to deal with Britain. Of course they will like to continue to sell their Mercs and BMW's (and Brits will continue to devour them) BUT if the Europeans get it into their heads that Britain "sold them out" by leaving the EU, then I can definitely see them boycotting Britains products. The likes of France and Spain are very nationalistic compared to Britain. People buy from people.
That cuts both ways. In official and unofficial trade wars, both sides generally lose.
Currently I'm avoiding anything made in Argentina. So are P&O, where they have cancelled all their South Atlantic cruises' calling at 3 Argentinian ports but will continue to visit Port Stanley. :y :y :y Lets see what botox face makes of that.
Besides I think it also misses the point, Democracy and Freedom you cannot put a price on. Once we are free, we can set our own destiny with our trade with the rest of the world. Jaguar are currently showing the way to do it. The EU is the past and the BRICS the future.
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I think the Federal Europe bit is well understood.
The bit that bothers me a little is the assumption that the EU will continue to deal with Britain. Of course they will like to continue to sell their Mercs and BMW's (and Brits will continue to devour them) BUT if the Europeans get it into their heads that Britain "sold them out" by leaving the EU, then I can definitely see them boycotting Britains products. The likes of France and Spain are very nationalistic compared to Britain. People buy from people.
That cuts both ways. In official and unofficial trade wars, both sides generally lose.
Currently I'm avoiding anything made in Argentina. So are P&O, where they have cancelled all their South Atlantic cruises' calling at 3 Argentinian ports but will continue to visit Port Stanley. :y :y :y Lets see what botox face makes of that.
Besides I think it also misses the point, Democracy and Freedom you cannot put a price on. Once we are free, we can set our own destiny with our trade with the rest of the world. Jaguar are currently showing the way to do it. The EU is the past and the BRICS the future.
I agree with you re BRICS. It will be interesting to see how your one man boycott of Argentinian goods goes. Presumably you will be cutting down on corned beef, beef and other food products? Interestingly they export more to Britain than we sell to them 800million dollars to 650
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Honda have just made 800 British workers edundant due to the very difficukt trading conditions in Europe.
Jaguar /Land rover have just annoinced 800 new jobs due to not being able to keep up with demand from China/Russia/India etc. :)
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Vote out of the EU , simple's ;)
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Here is a question for yeh, can we actually just leave ?
Wasn't there something in the lisbon treaty about any referendom being invalled unless we apply the brussels for permision first ?
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I really don't see why not, what are they going to do fine us? ::) ::)
Lets face it all the others ignore the rules except us, or so it seems to me >:(
VOTE UKIP
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I really don't see why not, what are they going to do fine us? ::) ::)
Lets face it all the others ignore the rules except us, or so it seems to me >:(
VOTE UKIP
Perhaps they'll invade. (https://dl.dropbox.com/u/26795734/Smilies/rofl.gif)
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I really don't see why not, what are they going to do fine us? ::) ::)
Lets face it all the others ignore the rules except us, or so it seems to me >:(
VOTE UKIP
Perhaps they'll invade. (https://dl.dropbox.com/u/26795734/Smilies/rofl.gif)
Quick, blow the chunnel up ;D ;D
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Money talks ;)
If your skint, you buy what you can afford.
If our goods are cheep enough them people will buy them ;)
Yes, in business it is not who you like, but what is on offer, at what price, when, and what quality. The "old boys" clubs of imperialism are defunct now, and business requires what it needs every time. ;) Only nationalised companies may come under pressure to buy from certain quarters, but how many of those companies now survive? ???
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Money talks ;)
If your skint, you buy what you can afford.
If our goods are cheep enough them people will buy them ;)
Yes, in business it is not who you like, but what is on offer, at what price, when, and what quality. The "old boys" clubs of imperialism are defunct now, and business requires what it needs every time. ;) Only nationalised companies may come under pressure to buy from certain quarters, but how many of those companies now survive? ??[/highlight]?
This might apply in Britain. As I said previously, sadly the Brits have lost their sense of pride when it comes to buying British first as opposed to foreign. Brits always buy on price and they care very little about where it comes from.
People still buy from people. Why do folk travel to meetings when most meetings could be done using high tech conferencing and so on. It is to press the flesh, have a few drinks together in the bar. Then they will "buy" from you.
Spain used to have a "pound shop" (100 pesetas actually) in every town. These were run efficiently by Morrocans. They are being run out of business by the Chinese. Not many Spaniards shop in them. It is mainly expats. The Spaniards prefer to buy from their own and pay a bit more. My neighbour says he will nevergo in one as long as he lives. That is one reason why I say that we may just got a shock at the backlash IF we badly manage any Brexit from the EU.
The other thing to do is look at what cars folk drive in different EU countries. The likes of Spain, France and Germany stick mostly with their own made cars.
Maybe a lot of big contracts go out to tender but it isn't unknown for tenders to be so written as to exclude a company or a country. Again that is a person choosing to do that.
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Exports from the UK to the rest of the EU are now at 38% of the total and falling fast,so the potential problem is shrinking.
Perhaps us Brits need a bit of reminding/educating,that protectionism needs to be a two way street.
I see your point though.Political awareness in the UK is at an all time low,and many people are completely disinterested in anything but themselves and who is going to win X factor etc.
We should also remember that people such as Heseltine and Mandelson (who has jumpped on the bandwagon today) who are saying that leaving the EU would be ruinous for British business etc. in every possible way,said exactly the same thing when they were insisting that we needed to abolish the pound sterling and replace it with the Euro.
They were wrong in every posssible way then,and are still wrong now.
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Exports from the UK to the rest of the EU are now at 38% of the total and falling fast,so the potential problem is shrinking.
Perhaps us Brits need a bit of reminding/educating,that protectionism needs to be a two way street.
I see your point though.Political awareness in the UK is at an all time low,and many people are completely disinterested in anything but themselves and who is going to win X factor etc.
We should also remember that people such as Heseltine and Mandelson (who has jumpped on the bandwagon today) who are saying that leaving the EU would be ruinous for British business etc. in every possible way,said exactly the same thing when they were insisting that we needed to abolish the pound sterling and replace it with the Euro.
They were wrong in every posssible way then,and are still wrong now.
What you have to remember is that Mandelson CANNOT by contract brief against the project, even if he wanted to (which he doesn't of course) otherwise he would lose his pension. His obvious conflict of interest makes me dismiss anything he says about the EU. ::) ::)
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Here is a question for yeh, can we actually just leave ?
Wasn't there something in the lisbon treaty about any referendom being invalled unless we apply the brussels for permision first ?
We have to invoke Article 50 of the Lisbon treaty. The EU is then obliged to negotiate a trade agreement with us if we so desire. Which we obviously would, as the single market is the only decent thing to come out of the EEC / EU that really did boost trade and efficiency at the time. Subsequent EU industrial and social policy and directives killed any gains years a go. >:( >:( >:(
For those that are interested, here is the exact wording:
http://www.lisbon-treaty.org/wcm/the-lisbon-treaty/treaty-on-european-union-and-comments/title-6-final-provisions/137-article-50.html (http://www.lisbon-treaty.org/wcm/the-lisbon-treaty/treaty-on-european-union-and-comments/title-6-final-provisions/137-article-50.html)
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The majority of the UK establishment, the EU, the US and most European countries will intensify their attacks on us that, where we want to leave. It is in THEIR interests, not ours for us to remain shackled to the corpse of the EU.
Once we are free and can roll back their strangling socialist regulations, lower industry costs and unemployment, then they will really be looking over their shoulders to see who is going to join us. This will be most of Eastern and Southern Europe and this is what really worries them. This is why they want to keep all 17 countries in the Euro whatever the cost. The problem is that the cost of propping up Southern Europe will be so ruinous on Northern Europe it will drag them down as well. ::) :o :o :o
All the while we can be happily exporting to rapidly growing countries, the BRICS and what we can to the ever declining impoverished nations of the EU. :y :y :y
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Meanwhile,in the lords,the Limpdems have just stabbed Camoron in the back by voting down changes to constituency boundaries,which Labour rejigged heavily in their own favour.This might just have handed Labour the next election on a plate.
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Meanwhile,in the lords,the Limpdems have just stabbed Camoron in the back by voting down changes to constituency boundaries,which Labour rejigged heavily in their own favour.This might just have handed Labour the next election on a plate.
No surprise there as LimpDems natural home is in a Labour coalition. Mind you you need MPs to form a coalition and I will be surprised if they have any after the next election. :y I think the Cons will be defeated anyway as the right vote is split between them and UKIP unless UKIP attract enough disaffected Labour voters, who would never vote Tory and UKIP can also reconnect with the 37% who don't normally vote where they say it makes no difference, by putting forward a strong case on why they are different to the ConsLimpsLabs. Now that really would make 2015 interesting and a real fight.
Success breeds success and if UKIP as expected do well in the European elections, so a vote for them is not seen as a wated vote, then it will be squeaky bum time :-[ for Cameron and makes 2015, with Barosso's FSE treaty expected at the same time, very interesting.
Remember a week in politics is a long time!