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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: TheBoy on 25 January 2013, 18:47:13
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Newent is sorted for the back end of summer :)
Traditionally, we have another big camping meet earlier in the summer. Last year, the Lakes had an abymsal turnout, not helped by the weather warnings, which didn't affect us anyway.
Is there demand for a camping meet earlier in the summer?
Should we continue to use the Lakes, or use somewhere else? Or just knock the idea on the head?
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I wonder if two things affected the lakes meet last year.
1 the weather was forecast to be atrocious.
2 we moved away from our base interest. Omegas.
Although, the addition of, what's it called, geocaching? was fun. We don't really need to travel half the length of the country to do that. Omegas, and socialising around that are where it's at IMO. A chance to to learn, compare, swap, trade, fix, our cars is the basis of the group IMO. The two meets, one North and one south are a chance for all to do that.
Remove the omega element, add in some poor weather = poor numbers, it seems to me.
I do appreciate though, that those that spend all their time, or a good proportion of it, working on cars don't really want to spend a weekend doing more of the same, and want a rest. No problem.
Rest, fix, advise, geocache, shop, drink, BBQ, drink, quiz, drink, set fire to stuff, drink, buckaroo, tell story's.
Reality is the same people do tend to get swamped with work though. So finding a happy medium there might be the key to it. :-\
Perhaps? :)
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Ps, voted change of location,( to one with a runway )But that's just me. ;) ;D
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2 we moved away from our base interest. Omegas.
I think the poor turnout - probably just due to weather, but OOF did have its fair share of its own problems then - meant no car work needed to be done. From memory, nothing needed doing, apart from the idiot who got a puncture ;D
But I certainly understand what you are getting at.
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Ps, voted change of location,( to one with a runway )But that's just me. ;) ;D
No guarantee we can get on any runway, even if we did go there.
The other problem is the facilities were inadequate, though with a possibility of improving by renting the sports centre
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Ps, voted change of location,( to one with a runway )But that's just me. ;) ;D
No guarantee we can get on any runway, even if we did go there.
The other problem is the facilities were inadequate, though with a possibility of improving by renting the sports centre
it wasn't an entirely serious suggestion. Tbh.
But if it could happen, great. :y but again, that's just me. ;)
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Jase and i are game he wants to show of his new motor and we need THE BOYs skills :y
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Ps, voted change of location,( to one with a runway )But that's just me. ;) ;D
No guarantee we can get on any runway, even if we did go there.
The other problem is the facilities were inadequate, though with a possibility of improving by renting the sports centre
it wasn't an entirely serious suggestion. Tbh.
But if it could happen, great. :y but again, that's just me. ;)
The York Meet had a runway, where an MX5 showed up a few Omega's, this is what TB is referring to..... :D :D :D
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I love the lakes meet but the weather put me off last year. I believe the lakes meet was held so far north so the jocks could attend but wouldn't mind if it came further south :)
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I love the lakes meet but the weather put me off last year. I believe the lakes meet was held so far north so the jocks could attend but wouldn't mind if it came further south :)
Indeed, it was originally envisaged to have a north and south meet, to cover, as best we can, as much of British members as possible.
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There is another lakes with ca??mping, fishing and its on the doorstep of wales and a lovely historic city ::)
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There is another lakes with ca??mping, fishing and its on the doorstep of wales and a lovely historic city ::)
That would be convienient!
We are normally up for a meet 2-3 hours away tops.
Variety of health reasons (compounded by the weather forecase) kept us away, but at least we made Newent.
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There is another lakes with ca??mping, fishing and its on the doorstep of wales and a lovely historic city ::)
Always open for ideas :y, esp as I'd like to see a 3rd big meet annually.
Although, as we already have Newent, I'd prefer to see other further from Newent than Chester. Though it all depends on demand :-\
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Intend to be along. Apart from the midges, the lakes campsite is a good venue imho :y
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There is another lakes with ca??mping, fishing and its on the doorstep of wales and a lovely historic city ::)
Always open for ideas :y, esp as I'd like to see a 3rd big meet annually.
Although, as we already have Newent, I'd prefer to see other further from Newent than Chester. Though it all depends on demand :-\
what about segness way round my area? were up for 3 a year :y
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I wonder if two things affected the lakes meet last year.
1 the weather was forecast to be atrocious.
2 we moved away from our base interest. Omegas.
Although, the addition of, what's it called, geocaching? was fun. We don't really need to travel half the length of the country to do that. Omegas, and socialising around that are where it's at IMO. A chance to to learn, compare, swap, trade, fix, our cars is the basis of the group IMO. The two meets, one North and one south are a chance for all to do that.
Remove the omega element, add in some poor weather = poor numbers, it seems to me.
I do appreciate though, that those that spend all their time, or a good proportion of it, working on cars don't really want to spend a weekend doing more of the same, and want a rest. No problem.
Rest, fix, advise, geocache, shop, drink, BBQ, drink, quiz, drink, set fire to stuff, drink, buckaroo, tell story's.
Reality is the same people do tend to get swamped with work though. So finding a happy medium there might be the key to it. :-\
Perhaps? :)
Yep, that sums up my feelings. Appreciate The Lakes isn't really the right place to do work though.
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Finding a site that takes groups, and a car club group at that is the hardest part.
Afaik Pete has cleared it with Chester Lakes.
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There is another lakes with ca??mping, fishing and its on the doorstep of wales and a lovely historic city ::)
Always open for ideas :y, esp as I'd like to see a 3rd big meet annually.
Although, as we already have Newent, I'd prefer to see other further from Newent than Chester. Though it all depends on demand :-\
what about segness way round my area? were up for 3 a year :y
Not an area I know. How easy is it to get to? Reckon there would be any sites that would accept groups, and allow small scale work on cars?
And most importantly, would there be demand for a meet in that location from OOFers - I would imagine its relatively easy for members below the Humber, above north East Anglia, and East of the Pennines to get to?
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i could do some research (wont be straight away over the next couple of months ) and see if anyone would?
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Have voted for the Lakes, but obviously, have car, will travel :y
Also up for more, and always happy to get my hands dirty.
Lincolnshire or Cambridgeshire perhaps :-\
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Finding a site that takes groups, and a car club group at that is the hardest part.
Afaik Pete has cleared it with Chester Lakes.
As its closer to me than the Lakes, I'm all for it. But will it put off members who have to travel further? After all, its relatively close to Newent.
But the flip side, for the most part, I can write down 90% of the members who are likely to turn up, and they would turn up to any meets, irrespective of location (within reason).
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Have voted for the Lakes, but obviously, have car, will travel :y
Also up for more, and always happy to get my hands dirty.
Lincolnshire or Cambridgeshire perhaps :-\
Hmmm, wonder if Mum would let me have a meet in her garden ::). Upsides, plenty of space, reasonable sized garage, secure area and reasonably child friendly. Downsides, she's incredible houseproud, and would set the alarm at night anyway. So the facilities would be a spade.... ....or straight onto the horse manure heap ;D
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The OOF windows could spend DAYS at Cheshire Oaks (Designer clearance outage, like Gloucester quays, but much much bigger) too ;D
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voted too far ;D :y
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;D ;D ;D :y
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I would be up for it. Only reason I haven't made it in recent years is that I have a regular commitment on the first weekend of both June and July and it always seems to be one or the other. ::)
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voted too far ;D :y
;D ;D ;D ;D
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voted too far ;D :y
Come on Cem, you don't have a sense of adventure!! ;D ;D
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what about segness way round my area? were up for 3 a year :y
;D
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I voted different location but, as you know, if it fits then we'll be there wherever it is :y
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The lakes is a bit too far for me but then Newent is close enough. Chester would be very doable, I still have family up that way.
The only reason I stayed away this year was due to a rather extended holiday in Central Asia.
This year though I am well up for attending every meet I can :y
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It's a bit too far for us, lugging the van that distance for a weekend.
Sorry.
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It's a bit too far for us, lugging the van that distance for a weekend.
Sorry.
Lightweight! Half the distance some of us go ;) ;D
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Gay!
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Gay!
Did someone mention custard?
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Gay!
Did someone mention custard?
Gay custard?
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On the list of requirements, for the lakes meet, custard is an easy one.
But the curry club don't need the mention of curry to get THEM to go to the lakes though do they...? Hmm? No, they don't.
Sorry. Gay! With or without custard. ;D
Your nearer than most that do go. Get a static, of its the same venue.
Actually, yes, if we go, first dibs on a static please. We usually share with the LD if that's ok with them :y
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Actually, yes, if we go, first dibs on a static please. We usually share with the LD if that's ok with them :y
If there is little demand from those members in Cumbria/Northumberland/Scotland, I'm all for moving it a little further South if it would attract more members.
That said, I recall that H21 has attended every Lakes meet, and dragging it further south to below Mancs adds a hell of a journey for him, which is a long way for 2 nights...
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Almost as far as the sarf coast to the wrong side of Mancchester ;D
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On a purely selfish and economic level, I prefer the Lakes area but, that said, if there is a demand from the members for it to be further south then why let it stay in the north for one lone voice?
As to last year, there was a concious descision prior to the event to have a no repairs meet and have it as purely social. That in itself to me, reduced the number attending. In effect, no freebies then not going.......
The weather forecast also played a part which meant that the fair weather campers were not interested, again reducing numbers.
The membership as a whole is constantly evolving and sso the area best suitable for a meet will also evolve but, as TB says, I can also predict the core members who are happy to put a few miles under their wheels and meet up with friends for a weekend of beer and talking betty swallocks, whether work is done on cars or not.
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...... and I also predict that a change of venue/lets do work descision will have multiple new/recent members expecting loads to be done on their cars and nary a hand put towards their pocket for those put upon to do the work.
Or am I just feeling over cynical this morning?? :-[
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I for one am all for separating the social and work sides to the meets. I know I have been dragging a little on the next hampshire meet (still waiting for permission from the new guy in charge of he workshop) but I feel we should separate them. As long as there were adequate meets planned where work was the main effort I think that the social meets could increase the bond between all members, new and well-established, and help with the ethos that is OOF.
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On a purely selfish and economic level, I prefer the Lakes area but, that said, if there is a demand from the members for it to be further south then why let it stay in the north for one lone voice?
As to last year, there was a concious descision prior to the event to have a no repairs meet and have it as purely social. That in itself to me, reduced the number attending. In effect, no freebies then not going.......
The weather forecast also played a part which meant that the fair weather campers were not interested, again reducing numbers.
The membership as a whole is constantly evolving and sso the area best suitable for a meet will also evolve but, as TB says, I can also predict the core members who are happy to put a few miles under their wheels and meet up with friends for a weekend of beer and talking betty swallocks, whether work is done on cars or not.
...... and I also predict that a change of venue/lets do work descision will have multiple new/recent members expecting loads to be done on their cars and nary a hand put towards their pocket for those put upon to do the work.
Or am I just feeling over cynical this morning?? :-[
Personally I don't think so, fellow Celt ... we're in the converse predicament (distance-wise), regarding attending a Lakes Meet.
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Did the lack of work at last years meet directly increase the amount of work done on cars at Newent?
It is a tricky thing to balance, but are tinkering/talking blocks/the odd beer and burger/visiting nearby sites really mutually exclusive :-\ I don't see why people who want to get their hands dirty shouldn't be able to, whilst those that don't go off and do other things if they wish.
Perhaps the answer is not to have a job list, unless individuals wish to offer their services for specific tasks. If some people would prefer not to get stuck in then might it be an idea for them to make that plain. That way there would be no expectation of a 'free lunch' :y
Another option for a 'work free' weekend might be something like a weekend at Alton Towers or perhaps on the Norfolk Broads or similar, or for a tour/road trip of some description :-\
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So do we charge for work? Unless returning favours of course.
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So do we charge for work? Unless returning favours of course.
Above sounds like I'm angling for profit perhaps, but the idea is to keep the work level sensible.
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Wasnt there a 'rule' at Newent last year, work only being done on omegas on the Sat morning? Leaving the afternoon free to go off or do whatever else you wanted to do?
That worked ok, didnt it? If so, couldnt the same be applied to the Lakes/other venue?
I went to the first Lakes meet, but havent been since as its like a 'busman's holiday' for me.....having said that I usually clear off to the south coast for a week early summer and the goto Newent later on in the year.....which im perfectly happy with.....so could not guarantee turning up if the venue was moved further south anyway.
But the first part of my post might be worth considering??
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So do we charge for work? Unless returning favours of course.
Above sounds like I'm angling for profit perhaps, but the idea is to keep the work level sensible.
I would say yes you should charge for work I am all for helping people out but I think some form of payment/charge is acceptable :y :y
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Wasnt there a 'rule' at Newent last year, work only being done on omegas on the Sat morning? Leaving the afternoon free to go off or do whatever else you wanted to do?
That worked ok, didnt it? If so, couldnt the same be applied to the Lakes/other venue?
I went to the first Lakes meet, but havent been since as its like a 'busman's holiday' for me.....having said that I usually clear off to the south coast for a week early summer and the goto Newent later on in the year.....which im perfectly happy with.....so could not guarantee turning up if the venue was moved further south anyway.
But the first part of my post might be worth considering??
Personally, not much of a one for rules, tbh. I tend to treat them as a challenge. ;)
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So do we charge for work? Unless returning favours of course.
Can't see why it shouldn't be reciprocal :-\
Some examples:
You help me fit my wishbones, I help you fit your subframe bushes
I change my cambelt under supervision in exchange for a few beer(token)s
You service my handbrake for hard cash
Collective pondering/tinkering earns a round
Changing a lock motor earns food cooked.
Down to the individuals concerned, but certainly, if it is a job that a person is either unable or unwilling to do, then whoever does the job should be paid one way or tother :y
I know various tasks, such as Tech2 work, already have set prices, and the working mechanics charge as they would anyone else as it is their living, but could there be a pricelist created that is an agreed amount for various jobs depending on what the skill level is? For instance, any work that I do on the vehicles at work, is charged at £20/hour, with limited guarantees, yet the same jobs done by local independent garages might start at £60/hour :-\
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So do we charge for work? Unless returning favours of course.
Above sounds like I'm angling for profit perhaps, but the idea is to keep the work level sensible.
If those willing to get their hands dirty commit to set jobs on set cars, based on their experience/ability, and are careful not to overstretch themselves, then the work could be allocated, subject to the weather, beforehand :-\
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Ok, my fault, Charging is the wrong word, and opens up a can of worms.
I prefer a , "contribution to the tool fund" approach. If you see what I mean. Or even just a contribution generally to the weekend.
Somebody needs help with their car. I enjoy helping people with their cars, on jobs that I am confident I can do correctly without causing further issues and braking stuff etc. that means jobs I've done on my own car first at the very least.
Helping someone out though, doesn't mean doing so at my expense. Be that in financial cost, wearing out tools or my self, etc.
It's not a business oppertunity IMO. But a chance to contribute to OOF, the community, and others.
What kills the thing stone dead, is when people take the piss. Or are perceived as doing so. Ie, turn up, with a what can i get attitude, get stuff fixed on their cars and contribute nothing to the whole weekend and clear off.
This can be difficult for some though to be fair. Shy retiring types that are not practical might find this difficult. I struggle with groups or crowds and tend to withdraw, for example, esp when tired. Absolutely no idea why. It can be oddly intimidating to turn up at a do, and fit in.
Yes alright I'm babbling now, but I think if people do what they can to contribute, things will work themselves out. Be that fixing cars, cooking on the BBQ, some catering options, etc etc. if all else fails, offer to pay, or something :)
I feel sorry for Daz sometimes. These things take a lot of time to sort out. Then when the day comes people don't pay for the pitch, or forget ( :-[ ) the mozys are a mare then the site owner cuts his power cable with the lawn mower...theres nothing I can help him with to fix his car he can't do himself. Members like him, Mark dtm, Kevin wood, TheBoy are extremely capable, there's very little I can help them with they can't do themselves
Perhaps we should've had a whip round for Daz's cable and phone bill...? It's not really fair he should be out of pocket. However amusing the cable incident might have been. ;D
Anyway, as said, I don't think rules and charging fees is the way as such. Of everyone does what they can, helps out where they can and contributes something, all should be fine, I would have thought. No? :)
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:y took me four goes to write summat that I could actually read ::)
This can be difficult for some though to be fair. Shy retiring types that are not practical might find this difficult. Istruggle with groups or crowds and tend to withdraw, for example, esp when tired. Absolutely no idea why. It can be oddly intimidating to turn up at a do, and fit in.
Yes alright I'm babbling now, but I think if people do what they can to contribute, things will work themselves out. Be that fixing cars, cooking on the BBQ, some catering options, etc etc. if all else fails, offer to pay, or something
That's about the gist of it :y
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Helping someone out though, doesn't mean doing so at my expense. Be that in financial cost, wearing out tools or my self, etc.
It's not a business oppertunity IMO. But a chance to contribute to OOF, the community, and others.
What kills the thing stone dead, is when people take the piss. Or are perceived as doing so. Ie, turn up, with a what can i get attitude, get stuff fixed on their cars and contribute nothing to the whole weekend and clear off.
As highlit, thats kinda my point.
Again charging per se was not what I intended to say or hint at either. A simple box of beer approach, bottle, you do this for me and I'll do that for you kinda thing was more what I meant.
I recall Chris doing his back in and feeling quite (rightly) sorry for himself at Newent one year after doing a marathon rear bush change on several cars.
I also recall at least two members who have done a 'panda' act at meets and thereafter on the forum - Eats, Shoots and Leaves/work done for nowt and never seen again - and nagged the erse out of the unfortunate who offerred to do the work on the weekend until they stopped what they were doing for other members and got the work done for the nagger. Who in one instance, completely ignored the rest of the forum members and did completely their own thing, contributing the square root of fleck all for the whole weekend!! That is taking the pee to the extreme and does happen, sadly.
Its the striking of a balance thats the difficult one to call....
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For those who have voted 'too far' what alternates do you suggest, bearing in mind that the Lakes meet is intended as a 'northern' venue and Newent the 'southern' one. Are we needing a South East/Londinium stylee venue? Are there the numbers interested in this area?
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As for the cost thing....
if you're someone who needs work doing why wouldn't you get your wallet out just cos it's a meet? i'd personally hate to see someone who spent 2 hours working on a car get a ''cheers mate, i'm off'' with no monetary thanks. that, in my eyes, is just plain wrong.
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Haven't been to a meet, but if someone was to work on my car at one I would have no problem in paying. Undoubtably it would be cheaper than any garage with experts rather than apprentices doing the work. Can't see why anyone would think it unfair to pay an agreed amount.
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For those who have voted 'too far' what alternates do you suggest, bearing in mind that the Lakes meet is intended as a 'northern' venue and Newent the 'southern' one. Are we needing a South East/Londinium stylee venue? Are there the numbers interested in this area?
I voted different location instead of too far because distance isn't really the issue for me. It could be up in your neck of the woods and, if convenient (WRT work and other commitments), we would be there :y
That said, the statics at that site are convenient for us and the Gixers... I don't mind camping but the little bit of extra comfort the static offers makes a big difference to me :y
Although, as another thought from a personal point of view, it might not make any difference to me where the meets are as there's a fair chance I'll be in hospital around the time the Lakes meet normally is :-\ :-\
As far as the work side goes... If I'm fit to do it I'm more than happy to do my share but can equally see the merit in a non work weekend :-\ I'm also cynical though ;)
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When the meets started, iirc there was noone on here charged for work.
Now we have several mobile mechanics.
Point I'm trying to make badly is that in the early days, the forum was much more about teaching you how to do it yourself. It was great, its how I learned a lot.
Now, there is the ability to hire a 'trusted' member to do your work. A great asset imho, that just didn't exist in years gone by. As an obvious side effect to this, those who charge for things in the week, rightly don't want to do it for free at the weekend.
Given that, there is much less need for 'working meets'.
I think (apart from the odd favour here and there) 'gentle tinkering' works quite well at a meet as opposed to the bigger jobs.
I think last Newent worked well on this score, however there was much less incentive for the 'day trippers' as many were out in 'sociable groups'.
Thats said by someone who has had a fair amount of work done for him at meets, often combined with teaching for which I am very grateful. In the early days, as im sure you remember I couldnt even do an oil change, I'll now do most things for myself, and happy to get my hands dirty helping others when I can.
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When the meets started, iirc there was noone on here charged for work.
Now we have several mobile mechanics.
Point I'm trying to make badly is that in the early days, the forum was much more about teaching you how to do it yourself. It was great, its how I learned a lot.
Now, there is the ability to hire a 'trusted' member to do your work. A great asset imho, that just didn't exist in years gone by. As an obvious side effect to this, those who charge for things in the week, rightly don't want to do it for free at the weekend.
Given that, there is much less need for 'working meets'.
I think (apart from the odd favour here and there) 'gentle tinkering' works quite well at a meet as opposed to the bigger jobs.
I think last Newent worked well on this score, however there was much less incentive for the 'day trippers' as many were out in 'sociable groups'.
Thats said by someone who has had a fair amount of work done for him at meets, often combined with teaching for which I am very grateful. In the early days, as im sure you remember I couldnt even do an oil change, I'll now do most things for myself, and happy to get my hands dirty helping others when I can.
The difference is though, you are happy to do things yourself with guidance and supervision ;) I should add, as are many others :y
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So do we charge for work? Unless returning favours of course.
I don't think its that clear cut. Some people never were able to work on cars, but helped in other ways - bob.dent being a prime example.
I feel the vast majority of members have something to give at meets which are not necessarily mechanical assistance.
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At all the various meets I've been to, I've never charged*, and wouldn't want to - I prefer to show people how to do things, rather than simply do it for them. For example, bob.dent (who by his own admission, has his talents in areas other than cars) was changing his own cambelt at the Lakes a couple of years back.
*Tech2 aside. Sadly, the sheer costs in purchasing and maintaining them preclude much in the way of freebies.
On a similar note, those that bring consumables for all to share - the BBQ gas for example - should not be out of pocket.
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So do we charge for work? Unless returning favours of course.
I don't think its that clear cut. Some people never were able to work on cars, but helped in other ways - bob.dent being a prime example.
I feel the vast majority of members have something to give at meets which are not necessarily mechanical assistance.
Yes, initial thought was to stem the flow of work a bit tbh. But as you say, a poorly thought out post. There's more to it than that. Much more. :y
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At all the various meets I've been to, I've never charged*, and wouldn't want to - I prefer to show people how to do things, rather than simply do it for them. For example, bob.dent (who by his own admission, has his talents in areas other than cars) was changing his own cambelt at the Lakes a couple of years back.
*Tech2 aside. Sadly, the sheer costs in purchasing and maintaining them preclude much in the way of freebies.
On a similar note, those that bring consumables for all to share - the BBQ gas for example - should not be out of pocket.
Slightly off topic
Is this page http://theboy.omegaowners.com/tech2/prices.shtml (http://theboy.omegaowners.com/tech2/prices.shtml) still current? I think you used to have a link to it in your signature. :-\
Never quite sure whether I should be directing newbies to that page when they ask for Tech2 :-\
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At all the various meets I've been to, I've never charged*, and wouldn't want to - I prefer to show people how to do things, rather than simply do it for them. For example, bob.dent (who by his own admission, has his talents in areas other than cars) was changing his own cambelt at the Lakes a couple of years back.
*Tech2 aside. Sadly, the sheer costs in purchasing and maintaining them preclude much in the way of freebies.
On a similar note, those that bring consumables for all to share - the BBQ gas for example - should not be out of pocket.
Slightly off topic
Is this page http://theboy.omegaowners.com/tech2/prices.shtml (http://theboy.omegaowners.com/tech2/prices.shtml) still current? I think you used to have a link to it in your signature. :-\
Never quite sure whether I should be directing newbies to that page when they ask for Tech2 :-\
Yes
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At all the various meets I've been to, I've never charged*, and wouldn't want to - I prefer to show people how to do things, rather than simply do it for them. For example, bob.dent (who by his own admission, has his talents in areas other than cars) was changing his own cambelt at the Lakes a couple of years back.
*Tech2 aside. Sadly, the sheer costs in purchasing and maintaining them preclude much in the way of freebies.
On a similar note, those that bring consumables for all to share - the BBQ gas for example - should not be out of pocket.
Slightly off topic
Is this page http://theboy.omegaowners.com/tech2/prices.shtml (http://theboy.omegaowners.com/tech2/prices.shtml) still current? I think you used to have a link to it in your signature. :-\
Never quite sure whether I should be directing newbies to that page when they ask for Tech2 :-\
Yes
There is a spare line in your sig. :) btw :) :)
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There is a spare line in your sig. :) btw :) :)
I am wary of so blatantly advertising it ;)
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From a purely selfish point of view, one of the reasons I enjoyed the meets was because all the conversation was about Omega's (and other cars), the idea of Geo-Caching or rock climbing doesn't really interest me (although I do have odd hobbies like searching for these things: http://www.28dayslater.co.uk/forums/forumdisplay.php/50-ROC-Posts?s=86a6bb8a67feaa69b02e6aad166187c9 )
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From a purely selfish point of view, one of the reasons I enjoyed the meets was because all the conversation was about Omega's (and other cars), the idea of Geo-Caching or rock climbing doesn't really interest me (although I do have odd hobbies like searching for these things: http://www.28dayslater.co.uk/forums/forumdisplay.php/50-ROC-Posts?s=86a6bb8a67feaa69b02e6aad166187c9 )
They were not compulsory...... :) Some members worked on car's....... :y
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From a purely selfish point of view, one of the reasons I enjoyed the meets was because all the conversation was about Omega's (and other cars), the idea of Geo-Caching or rock climbing doesn't really interest me (although I do have odd hobbies like searching for these things: http://www.28dayslater.co.uk/forums/forumdisplay.php/50-ROC-Posts?s=86a6bb8a67feaa69b02e6aad166187c9 )
They were not compulsory...... :) Some members worked on car's....... :y
I appreciate what you are saying, it just seems that everyone travel's to the forum meet then as soon everyone gets there, half the forum has gone! I'm not complaining - each to their own, just takes the edge off the event for me. No offence intended :y
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From a purely selfish point of view, one of the reasons I enjoyed the meets was because all the conversation was about Omega's (and other cars), the idea of Geo-Caching or rock climbing doesn't really interest me (although I do have odd hobbies like searching for these things: http://www.28dayslater.co.uk/forums/forumdisplay.php/50-ROC-Posts?s=86a6bb8a67feaa69b02e6aad166187c9 )
They were not compulsory...... :) Some members worked on car's....... :y
I appreciate what you are saying, it just seems that everyone travel's to the forum meet then as soon everyone gets there, half the forum has gone! I'm not complaining - each to their own, just takes the edge off the event for me. No offence intended :y
None taken.......... :y
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From a purely selfish point of view, one of the reasons I enjoyed the meets was because all the conversation was about Omega's (and other cars), the idea of Geo-Caching or rock climbing doesn't really interest me (although I do have odd hobbies like searching for these things: http://www.28dayslater.co.uk/forums/forumdisplay.php/50-ROC-Posts?s=86a6bb8a67feaa69b02e6aad166187c9 )
Keep looking at that site and mean to do some (properly), although we gave done some locally anyway :y
Fits well with Geocaching actually ;)
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There is a spare line in your sig. :) btw :) :)
I am wary of so blatantly advertising it ;)
Don't be gay, we can't find it. Other than under Kevin's posts. Which took me a while ;D
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From a purely selfish point of view, one of the reasons I enjoyed the meets was because all the conversation was about Omega's (and other cars), the idea of Geo-Caching or rock climbing doesn't really interest me (although I do have odd hobbies like searching for these things: http://www.28dayslater.co.uk/forums/forumdisplay.php/50-ROC-Posts?s=86a6bb8a67feaa69b02e6aad166187c9 )
Keep looking at that site and mean to do some (properly), although we gave done some locally anyway :y
Fits well with Geocaching actually ;)
You been on the Pop Paul.......... :D :D :D
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From a purely selfish point of view, one of the reasons I enjoyed the meets was because all the conversation was about Omega's (and other cars), the idea of Geo-Caching or rock climbing doesn't really interest me (although I do have odd hobbies like searching for these things: http://www.28dayslater.co.uk/forums/forumdisplay.php/50-ROC-Posts?s=86a6bb8a67feaa69b02e6aad166187c9 )
Keep looking at that site and mean to do some (properly), although we gave done some locally anyway :y
Fits well with Geocaching actually ;)
You been on the Pop Paul.......... :D :D :D
On my phone and struggling to see through the tears after the latest bout of bullying :'( :'(
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From a purely selfish point of view, one of the reasons I enjoyed the meets was because all the conversation was about Omega's (and other cars), the idea of Geo-Caching or rock climbing doesn't really interest me (although I do have odd hobbies like searching for these things: http://www.28dayslater.co.uk/forums/forumdisplay.php/50-ROC-Posts?s=86a6bb8a67feaa69b02e6aad166187c9 )
Keep looking at that site and mean to do some (properly), although we gave done some locally anyway :y
Fits well with Geocaching actually ;)
You been on the Pop Paul.......... :D :D :D
On my phone and struggling to see through the tears after the latest bout of bullying :'( :'(
;D ;D ;D
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From a purely selfish point of view, one of the reasons I enjoyed the meets was because all the conversation was about Omega's (and other cars), the idea of Geo-Caching or rock climbing doesn't really interest me (although I do have odd hobbies like searching for these things: http://www.28dayslater.co.uk/forums/forumdisplay.php/50-ROC-Posts?s=86a6bb8a67feaa69b02e6aad166187c9 )
Keep looking at that site and mean to do some (properly), although we gave done some locally anyway :y
Fits well with Geocaching actually ;)
You been on the Pop Paul.......... :D :D :D
On my phone and struggling to see through the tears after the latest bout of bullying :'( :'(
;D ;D ;D
It's not funny... It's very distressing :-X
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From a purely selfish point of view, one of the reasons I enjoyed the meets was because all the conversation was about Omega's (and other cars), the idea of Geo-Caching or rock climbing doesn't really interest me (although I do have odd hobbies like searching for these things: http://www.28dayslater.co.uk/forums/forumdisplay.php/50-ROC-Posts?s=86a6bb8a67feaa69b02e6aad166187c9 )
Keep looking at that site and mean to do some (properly), although we gave done some locally anyway :y
Fits well with Geocaching actually ;)
You been on the Pop Paul.......... :D :D :D
On my phone and struggling to see through the tears after the latest bout of bullying :'( :'(
;D ;D ;D
It's not funny... It's very distressing :-X
So sorry to hear this Paul, try this link it may be of help........
http://www.northpoint-counseling.com/services/cyber-bullying-counseling-livonia-northville-novi-detroit-michigan.html
:D :D :D
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:y :y :D :D
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it just seems that everyone travel's to the forum meet then as soon everyone gets there, half the forum has gone!
A very valid point, well presented (even if I have been 'unkind' with the quote selection from your post).
Certainly food for thought.
I clearly understand, though, that (some/most/all) of the girls would rather go out for the day, as shopping/pub lunch/cinema/whatever is infinately more interesting that listening to a bunch of sad bastards talking 'dangle berries' with our arses dangling out of bonnets ;D.
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it just seems that everyone travel's to the forum meet then as soon everyone gets there, half the forum has gone!
A very valid point, well presented (even if I have been 'unkind' with the quote selection from your post).
Certainly food for thought.
I clearly understand, though, that (some/most/all) of the girls would rather go out for the day, as shopping/pub lunch/cinema/whatever is infinately more interesting that listening to a bunch of sad bastards talking 'dangle berries' with our arses dangling out of bonnets ;D.
You wish :D :D :D
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Somebody needs help with their car. I enjoy helping people with their cars, on jobs that I am confident I can do correctly without causing further issues and braking stuff etc. that means jobs I've done on my own car first at the very least.
Likewise, happy to get stuck in if I can help in any way. :y
What kills the thing stone dead, is when people take the piss. Or are perceived as doing so. Ie, turn up, with a what can i get attitude, get stuff fixed on their cars and contribute nothing to the whole weekend and clear off.
If they realise that they are doing this it's a shame as it detracts from the good willed spirit of it all. :(
This can be difficult for some though to be fair. Shy retiring types that are not practical might find this difficult. I struggle with groups or crowds and tend to withdraw, for example, esp when tired. Absolutely no idea why. It can be oddly intimidating to turn up at a do, and fit in.
I'm hopeless when it comes to mingling with groups that already know each other socially. I'm happy enough with my own spanner skills but this doesn't help with my lack of social skills. ::) For people like me it is good to see a friendly face and have a chat as it makes you feel a bit more like part of the group. Sounds rather pathetic doesn't it. ::) I accept that this is totally my fault but I'm just seeing it from a 'quieter' persons point of view. I also accept that if I went to a party, I would automatically look for people that I know, so I'm guilty of this as well. I fully appreciate that this is a two way thing. :y
Yes alright I'm babbling now, but I think if people do what they can to contribute, things will work themselves out. Be that fixing cars, cooking on the BBQ, some catering options, etc etc. if all else fails, offer to pay, or something :)
Agreed, if others beat me to it with the spanners I'll make the tea. ;D
...theres nothing I can help him with to fix his car he can't do himself. Members like him, Mark dtm, Kevin wood, TheBoy are extremely capable, there's very little I can help them with they can't do themselves
Also agreed, and these guys will be the first to get stuck in as well. :y
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I personally don't think there should be any money changing hands for work done, just genuine gratitude. Bob Dent keeps getting mentioned but there is more than just him who has had work done then showed their gratitude in their own way.
Paul Lovelength and his wife came along to a Newent Meet not knowing a soul only myself... they had a fantastic time loving every minute. His appreciation for any help that was given was shown, that for me is enough. Just putting something straight.. I have never expected too get paid at any meet even though I worked as a "Mobile Mechanic"......
I decided myself at a Lakes Meet that that particular weekend I was not going to work on anyones cars as I had done every other meet. I spent it with Friends I have made through the Forum and Meets, indoor climbing and geocaching.... which we all enjoyed.
At night we spent as usual around the Bar b que like everyone else. Whats wrong with that?
The whole reason I went to Meets was to be around people I had made friends with having a laugh. Helping others who appreciated it was part of the weekends.
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I'm hopeless when it comes to mingling with groups that already know each other socially. I'm happy enough with my own spanner skills but this doesn't help with my lack of social skills. ::) For people like me it is good to see a friendly face and have a chat as it makes you feel a bit more like part of the group. Sounds rather pathetic doesn't it. ::) I accept that this is totally my fault but I'm just seeing it from a 'quieter' persons point of view. I also accept that if I went to a party, I would automatically look for people that I know, so I'm guilty of this as well. I fully appreciate that this is a two way thing. :y
You are not alone there either. I am pretty shy as well. Obviously, I have a slight advantage at an OOF meet, as everyone 'knows' who I am, irrespective of if we've ever met before.
The Saturday night quiz is meant as an ice breaker - people who have been to meets will be aware I tend to put teams together outside of their 'natural' groups they fall in to. Maybe it's too late in the weekend, and should be done on the Friday night? Although some people arrive late.
Other things we have been known to do to get people together as teams, are:
The infamous OOF North v South Footie match (worth a watch, if only for Dath Loo-knee ;D):
http://images.omegaowners.com/images/events/lakes07/footielarge.htm
Or the Rounders:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqT3htYYukY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyZj4kTro0Q
The first Lakes meet, we had name and car tags. OK, a bit like being at school, but maybe worth considering again, so new attendees aren't feeling so left out?
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Must admit, I try to go around and speak with newer faces rather than the people I already know well but it can be hard :-[
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Wouldn't mind attending,but we can only do Sundays,and it depends then on commitments to ABS and any car shows they've got on on any particular date.
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I voted for the lakes meet as i enjoyed the first one very much, but i could not attend last year due to holiday plans but if i can would attend the 2013 meet. if it has a change of location then thats fine to as i would try to attend there as well.
Indoor working area would be ideal with camping areas as well would be the best senario
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So, whats the outcome?
Have another meet at the Lakes? Move it to Chester? Move it elsewhere? Have a 3rd big weekend meet?
We need time to plan these things. We also need volunteers to do the organising ;)
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So, whats the outcome?
Have another meet at the Lakes? Move it to Chester? Move it elsewhere? Have a 3rd big weekend meet?
We need time to plan these things. We also need volunteers to do the organising ;)
I'd say that 12 votes for attending means it stays in the same place :-\
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So, whats the outcome?
Have another meet at the Lakes? Move it to Chester? Move it elsewhere? Have a 3rd big weekend meet?
We need time to plan these things. We also need volunteers to do the organising ;)
I'd say that 12 votes for attending means it stays in the same place :-\
The discussion kinda moved on from the poll. But if that is what peeps prefer, we can try to arrange it :y
That said, 12 members attending probably isn't enough to make it worthwhile :-\
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So, whats the outcome?
Have another meet at the Lakes? Move it to Chester? Move it elsewhere? Have a 3rd big weekend meet?
We need time to plan these things. We also need volunteers to do the organising ;)
I'd say that 12 votes for attending means it stays in the same place :-\
The discussion kinda moved on from the poll. But if that is what peeps prefer, we can try to arrange it :y
That said, 12 members attending probably isn't enough to make it worthwhile :-\
Hospital treatment allowing, we intend to be there wherever it is :y Newent is (again!) looking dodgy for us because it's a week earlier this year ::)
I agree though, 12 members isn't really many and it's hard to justify the 650-700 mile round trip to the Lakes if we could have had almost the same people meet up at a Curry house ::) ::)
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Perhaps its money and people feeling the pinch?
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Perhaps its money and people feeling the pinch?
Could be... I know I have to budget for the meets now :(
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Perhaps its money and people feeling the pinch?
Could be... I know I have to budget for the meets now :(
Just bend over again for Jammie sure he will sub ya ;D
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I have not voted as I can not commit yet so did not want to influence any decision on venue, if it were to be the Lakes site and I could come I would want to book a 'Static'........ :y :y
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Lakes is just to far for us to travel on a Friday evening after work :y
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Have we any idea of dates? The past few Lakes meets have been when we've been away. :(
Where was it that we made a real impression on our host & got kicked off? ::) ::) ::) ;D ;D
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I'd guess just vote if interested Andy? Then worry if we can make the date later.
I'm guessing the fact that your asking at all, means your interested. :)
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I'd guess just vote if interested Andy? Then worry if we can make the date later.
I'm guessing the fact that your asking at all, means your interested. :)
Course I'm interested! :y :y
Do I get a choice in which car I use? ::) ::)
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Nope! ;D
Although there might be some interest in another model. As long as its not a Gay insignia. :-X ::)
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With partners that's probably 20 people so far.
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.... As long as its not a Gay insignia. :-X ::)
Definitely not ...... I don't do FWD as my 'proper' car ;)
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Lakes is just too far for us to travel on a Friday evening after work :y
Same here sadly, especially if I'm towing the van, but then again if this meet was to cater for members who are further up the map, relocating lower down doesn't help those members. :-\
Regarding weekend meets, I went to Newent to show support for the OOF, even though I'm socially hopeless, and found it to be an enjoyable enough experience. It was good to put names to faces and definitely helps with banter as the people that know you personally accept that comments are made in jest rather than with malice. This being a big part of the reason for this type of meet I guess.
Obviously this won't interest many members, as I myself was unsure about meeting up for a chat with people just because they had a car similar to mine. :-\ You can feel a bit of a pillock to start with, until those people become your friends who are willing to help you, even if it is only for guidance or advice. :y
Don't know how else to word it. :-\ Just trying to be honest about it. :)
Perhaps a lot of members have no interest in meets and just like the forum side of it. :-\ Be nice to have others thoughts on this. :y
Do I get a choice in which car I use? ::) ::)
Hmmm, we could set up a German sector in a corner within the OOF camp. ;) ;D
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Lakes is just too far for us to travel on a Friday evening after work :y
Same here sadly, especially if I'm towing the van, but then again if this meet was to cater for members who are further up the map, relocating lower down doesn't help those members. :-\
Regarding weekend meets, I went to Newent to show support for the OOF, even though I'm socially hopeless, and found it to be an enjoyable enough experience. It was good to put names to faces and definitely helps with banter as the people that know you personally accept that comments are made in jest rather than with malice. This being a big part of the reason for this type of meet I guess.
Obviously this won't interest many members, as I myself was unsure about meeting up for a chat with people just because they had a car similar to mine. :-\ You can feel a bit of a pillock to start with, until those people become your friends who are willing to help you, even if it is only for guidance or advice. :y
Don't know how else to word it. :-\ Just trying to be honest about it. :)
Perhaps a lot of members have no interest in meets and just like the forum side of it. :-\ Be nice to have others thoughts on this. :y
Do I get a choice in which car I use? ::) ::)
Hmmm, we could set up a German sector in a corner within the OOF camp. ;) ;D
Oi! Now don't start Yz. ;D