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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Rods2 on 29 January 2013, 23:18:59
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A woman who has lived in Acton has written an article in the DT today on how the area has changed. What do you think of this?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/9831912/I-feel-like-a-stranger-where-I-live.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/9831912/I-feel-like-a-stranger-where-I-live.html)
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As a cockney I wouldn't dream of going back to London to live - unable to understand the language now ???
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i think her comments are and she has my full supporttruly justifide
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i think her comments are and she has my full supporttruly justifide
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am not racist but......
there's only so much we can take
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London has its moments
people moaning about Romanians comming here on mass next year, i thought they were already here as they are at every road junction offering to clean your windscreen,
Muslims bleating on about booze but most corner shops in the east of the crapital are run by them & religion seems to go out the window when cash is involved
drunken east europeans just seem to pass out anywhere, have nearly run 2 over so far this year as they sleep in the middle of the roads
high streets which used to attract shoppers from all over are now pound shops & charity shops
had a couple of paramedics live down our street, they had of enough of London & went to work in Dorset, back within 8 months as they couldn't handle picking up fallen pensioners all day long
you also look after your tools more because if you come in for a cuppa they not be where you left them
most people who moan about London either don't live there or are about to move on
and we have the worlds biggest car park surrounding us so not all bad :(
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Focuses on Muslims though, my flat is in North Acton. If I walk about 3 mins from front door & turn down a particular road. Who would you guess owns 99% of the houses?
The Japanese!
They have a Private School down there, nearly every house is owned by them. The big houses easily cost over 1 million, yet in South Acton there are high rise flats.
Areas can change with each street, Acton is just same as any other area really.
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My comments would get me banned >:( >:( >:(
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London has its moments
people moaning about Romanians comming here on mass next year, i thought they were already here as they are at every road junction offering to clean your windscreen,
Muslims bleating on about booze but most corner shops in the east of the crapital are run by them & religion seems to go out the window when cash is involved
drunken east europeans just seem to pass out anywhere, have nearly run 2 over so far this year as they sleep in the middle of the roads
high streets which used to attract shoppers from all over are now pound shops & charity shops
had a couple of paramedics live down our street, they had of enough of London & went to work in Dorset, back within 8 months as they couldn't handle picking up fallen pensioners all day long
you also look after your tools more because if you come in for a cuppa they not be where you left them
most people who moan about London either don't live there or are about to move on
and we have the worlds biggest car park surrounding us so not all bad :(
That is so true! :y :y
I love London, as a place to work and live, and always have as my mum and her family were east enders. Love the excitement and vibrancy of the place, and when I worked there the diversity was fantastic.
As for people (white's) moving out en mass, well what happens then; the multi-culturel people move in to the empty housing that has gone down in value as so much is available suddenly. Then the area becomes multi-cultural beyond some white people's idea of perfection, and more move out who cannot enjoy it!
So, who is at fault, if anyone, for Dutch Quarters, China towns, Asian Quarters, Islamic Quarters, etc, etc, etc?
It has happened throughout British history! ::) ::) ::) :)
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My comments would get me banned >:( >:( >:(
go spill Cleggy ;D
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I can send you Syrians happily for free ;D ;D ;D wth their heavy arms ???
then you will understand how good is eastern europeans are :)
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London would be the sixth biggest city in France by population. A lot of French peeople live there.
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Iam now in the minority in this area as per gov figures. This is probably because I only speak english and of the lighter skin colour.
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My comments would get me banned >:( >:( >:(
go spill Cleggy ;D
No! it's all a conspiracy ;) ;D ;D
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without doubt another 20 years and Brits will be the minority in their island ;D
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you must populate faster ;D :y
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It's nothing new. I can remember as a small child in the 1970's visiting a Great Aunt in Leytonstone in East London and she was complaining about all the black people moving onto her street and that soon she'd be the only 'local' in the area.
Is it wrong? Is it right? To be honest I don't know and short of manning the barricades, I'm not sure there's an answer either. :-\
The irony is that the author of the article is planning to migrate somewhere else herself... ::)
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As a cockney I wouldn't dream of going back to London to live - unable to understand the language now ???
And all this down to Mr Bliar and the wicked witch
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http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/01/30/tony-blair-polish-award-poland-britain-immigration_n_2579399.html?icid=maing-grid7%7Cuk%7Cdl1%7Csec1_lnk2%26pLid%3D150203
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/6418456/Labour-wanted-mass-immigration-to-make-UK-more-multicultural-says-former-adviser.html
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A woman who has lived in Acton has written an article in the DT today on how the area has changed. What do you think of this?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/9831912/I-feel-like-a-stranger-where-I-live.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/9831912/I-feel-like-a-stranger-where-I-live.html)
Yes, I saw this. A fairly brave article I thought, but at least it was not in the Daily Mail ;)
Generally I can see what she was saying. I live in North London, and where I am we have a high ethnic mix, but due to the mix there is no one dominant culture. My son however lives in East London in an area that is exactly as she describes. A white Christian Anglo Saxon is very much in the minority and is almost treated as an unwanted minority.
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It's nothing new. I can remember as a small child in the 1970's visiting a Great Aunt in Leytonstone in East London and she was complaining about all the black people moving onto her street and that soon she'd be the only 'local' in the area.
Is it wrong? Is it right? To be honest I don't know and short of manning the barricades, I'm not sure there's an answer either. :-\
The irony is that the author of the article is planning to migrate somewhere else herself... ::)
It certainly is not new, and is on record that with the Great Fire of London in 1666 the Dutch immigrants, who had taken over a small sector of the eastern suburbs, were blamed for causing it as an act of terrorism. All untrue, but it reflected how even then Londoners hated foreigners! This was continued over the decades, and again can be noted with the Battle of Cable Street in 1936.
In Britain, Sir Oswald Mosley's Blackshirted British Union of Fascists (BUF) portrayed Jewish people as the cause of the country's problems, just as of course fascism was gaining ground across Europe. East London had the largest Jewish population in Britain and Mosley capitalised on that fact.
Then you have the 1958 riots by "teddy boys" against the Caribbean migrants who were occupying Notting Hill , as well as other areas of London. So yes, it was not only the 1970's, and personally I remember the late 1950's and my grandparents reaction to "blacks" appearing on the streets of London.
Nothing is new! ::) ::) ::)
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It is new,at least in modern times.In the last decade there has been a huge influx,particularily in to London and the surrounding area.In particular,in east London there has been strong growth in seperatist Muslims,who are turning parts of it into a ghetto,where indiginous people are told to leave the area,if their appearance or behaviour doent fit with the sharia mindset (as recently seen on TV news).Drive down mile end/whitechapel road and it really is like being in a foreign country,complete with the wailing calling the faithful to prayer from the enormous Mosque.
It isnt mullticulturalism,its the existing culture being swamped.Its gone too far imo.
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In the USA, hispanics will account for over 50% of the population by 2050.
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A picture of Whitehall, Westminster taken at 1.30pm today. ;D
(http://enchantingchallenge.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/crowdedness.jpg)
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Thats not Whitehall.Thats definitely Shepherds Bush. ::) ;D ;D
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It is new,at least in modern times.In the last decade there has been a huge influx,particularily in to London and the surrounding area.In particular,in east London there has been strong growth in seperatist Muslims,who are turning parts of it into a ghetto,where indiginous people are told to leave the area,if their appearance or behaviour doent fit with the sharia mindset (as recently seen on TV news).Drive down mile end/whitechapel road and it really is like being in a foreign country,complete with the wailing calling the faithful to prayer from the enormous Mosque.
It isnt mullticulturalism,its the existing culture being swamped.Its gone too far imo.
But Albitz what seems new now is actually not, even in modern times. First the Romans came in and created Londinium for the Brits in ancient times, and right up to now there have been large influxes of other nationalities on a regular basis. It just happens to be Eastern Europeans now along with Islamic peoples. London will cope as it always has. London you could say was created by immigrants - including Scots and the Welsh - and is still growing with them.
Never forget during WW2 many nationalities fled mainland Europe and further afield. We welcomed them to join the fight, and it was especially the Poles and Free French, along with others, who fought hard against the Nazis.
If people now come to Great Britain of their own free will to become, maybe two or more generations down the line, true British citizens to join the majority of us who are ex-immigrants over hundreds of years, so be it!
We, the British, took over many of their countries and lived there, and now they want to be with us again! :D :D :D :D ;) :y :y :y
PS Also get used to the fact that we are all now a global people who go to other countries like our forebears used to go to towns or cities in their county. The modern world (and transport!!) has created this. :y
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A picture of Whitehall, Westminster taken at 1.30pm today. ;D
(http://enchantingchallenge.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/crowdedness.jpg)
Ah, that is were the kind BT Broadband advisors operate from, although they always pronounce Whitehall as Delhi! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
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There you are, nothing to worry about! ;D ;D ;D ;D
Just been on the news that the second most important language in our land is........Polish! ;D ;D ;D ;D :y :y :y
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i love going to london. my next excursion there is when i see the darkness at the hammersmith apollo. get there early, see some sites via the tube and end up wasted.
really wouldnt want to live there though :y
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I have to disagree with you Lizzie as in the past immigration has been a small percentage of our population which we have easily absorbed into our traditional way of life.
In the 1950's under the Conservatives began mass migration and under Labour this was accelerated to where we are now. In several cities in the UK the English are now the minority and there are many ethnic clashes on a regular bases. Particularly between different the cultures of different countries. We are not a cohesive society with a common history and sense of values any longer. Viewing the crowds for the the Queen's diamond Jubilee or remembrance Sunday is always interesting to see who support British institutions and traditions.
The English way of life is largely dead and that is reflected is all parts of society. From political corruption to driving standards. Pockets still exist, the villages of South Oxfordshire are and example, but the English as a people in England will be the minority by 2066 at the latest. With current levels of immigration and emigration of mainly English professional people to other countries, probably well before that.
I have friends from ethnic minorities and they are also very uncomfortable with what has happened as they want a peaceful life and can see troubles in the future.
If we extended mass migration and multiculturalism to all countries, then what would be the point in visiting them as the miss-mash of people would all be the same, a bit like ghastly modern shopping centres full of multiple retailers!
The good news from my point of view is that the Ukraine is a mono cultural society that is largely closed to outsiders. If you aren't related or married to a Ukrainian then you can't live their permanently. I will be part of a small minority as there only only about 1000 English settled in the Ukraine and probably about the same temporally working there. I personally like the social cohesiveness of their mono-cultural society.
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Yeah. And no one is gonna mess with them cause they inherited the Black sea fleet. ;D
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What gets me is all the 'positive' comments from people who do not live in 'immigrant' towns. >:( I have seen my town degenerate into slum areas, which, were once very nice neighbourhoods. I would not set foot in areas of Wycombe after dark. My aunty was the last white resident in her road. Her house sold for a pittance, due to, 'as the estate agent said' a limited type of buyer :o There are no longer any white people living in the road. And the state of the garden/frontages is a disgrace. Out in our rural area, you get a rollocking for leaving wheel marks in kerb grass !!!!!!!!!!
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There you are, nothing to worry about! ;D ;D ;D ;D
Just been on the news that the second most important language in our land is........Polish! ;D ;D ;D ;D :y :y :y
I can believe that , there are many polish around here and polish shops popping up more and more , never had any problems with them though . Couldnt imagine living in london , i went once and that was enough seeing 2 muggings on a first visit , far too busy and over-crowded for my liking .
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http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/01/30/census-2011-140000-people-cannot-speak-english_n_2580264.html
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http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/01/30/census-2011-140000-people-cannot-speak-english_n_2580264.html
Que? ;D
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I have to disagree with you Lizzie as in the past immigration has been a small percentage of our population which we have easily absorbed into our traditional way of life.
ke the social cohesiveness of their mono-cultural society.
Sorry Rods2 but in the past we have survived massive immigration. The first tribes to cross the Dogger Plain added to Britains population significantly; the Romans invaded in 43AD and brought masses of foreigners in; the Anglo Saxons then immigrated en mass, with Vikings making significant inroads during the 800-900's; the Normans were next in 1066 with a massive influx of people and new culture that radically changed the English way of life; there then was constant movement of people between England and mainland Europe; in 1348, and even worse 1370 the Great Plagues wiped out between 33% - 50% of the population; then came an influx of peoples from France, Holland, and of course Germany on a regular basis over the next few hundred years, with even our Royal Family being immigrants! The British Empire then led to 100's of thousands of Brits making their way around the world, with elements of the Empire's population coming into England - not forgetting the slave trade bringing in thousands of black Africans until 1807. With the European wars over the next two hundred years populations / cultures moved in and out of Britain, with even areas of our main cities being populated by "other nations" people en mass. Since then we have now experienced the 'backlash', if that is the correct phrase, of a fading Empire with those who felt comfortable under British rule and our way of life, such as those from India, Africa, Hong Kong, the Caribbean, Australia, New Zealand, and many other Asian countries, finding their way to Britain. On top of that we have had the Poles and other Eastern European peoples, some of whom remember Britain great part in WW2, and other recognising a good way of life when they see one, coming into the country to "make their fortune" as humans, and especially the English, have tended to do since Roman Britain.
So, no, mass immigration is not new, but it may have expanded due to A) The World's population expanding fast; B) Humans en mass wanting a better future for themselves and their children and C) modern transport facilitating mass immigration like never before. Remember too that 100's of thousands also leave Britain every year to populate other parts of the World or simply return to their families original countries as they become more advanced.
In all immigration in humans is as old as time itself and should never be feared. It is the human way to progress and improve ones living conditions. First it was moving to a better cave, then a better field, then a better country, and that has continued. I dare say in the future it will be to a better planet!! :D :D :D ;)
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In all immigration in humans is as old as time itself and should never be feared. It is the human way to progress and improve ones living conditions. First it was moving to a better cave, then a better field, then a better country, and that has continued. I dare say in the future it will be to a better planet!!
The planet UKIP ;D ;D ;D
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The fundamental point, is that this is the first time in (modern) history where the mass immigration is by people who do not want to be British, but want to take over Britain. :-\
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The fundamental point, is that this is the first time in (modern) history where the mass immigration is by people who do not want to be British, but want to take over Britain. :-\
Sorry, but that is pure scaremongering ::) ::) ::)
What percentage of our population are those people then? ??? ???
;)
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I think people don't like it when immigrants 'section off' parts of Britain and then that place becomes a mini India or mini Iraq or whatever.
For example, Southall, West London is like a mini India.
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I think people don't like it when immigrants 'section off' parts of Britain and then that place becomes a mini India or mini Iraq or whatever.
For example, Southall, West London is like a mini India.
Indeed, a natural human action to help them feel safe, just as Brits who migrate (or are just on holiday) seem to form "Little England's", with even English pubs, clubs, and shops!
So any and every culture and nationality do that and have since the start of time -the animal kingdom follows the same pattern although is more reliant on the climate and sourcing food, along with shelter. ;)
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I think people don't like it when immigrants 'section off' parts of Britain and then that place becomes a mini India or mini Iraq or whatever.
For example, Southall, West London is like a mini India.
Indeed, a natural human action to help them feel safe, just as Brits who migrate (or are just on holiday) seem to form "Little England's", with even English pubs, clubs, and shops!
So any and every culture and nationality do that and have since the start of time -the animal kingdom follows the same pattern although is more reliant on the climate and sourcing food, along with shelter. ;)
I'm not against it or anything but I think it can go too far. I think this sharia law thing is a bit worrying for example.
The last time I was in Southall I got stared at a lot, as if was an invader. I felt quite uncomfortable actually.
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Although I agree with almost all of what you say Lizzie, there's one thing that you don't say (forgive me if you have but I've missed it).
That is, the population that is 'invaded' by newcomers at all these points in history were (I speculate!) never very happy about what was happening at the time.
Just because mankind theoretically has the capacity to study and learn from history, to potentially remove the fear aspect by seeing that 'things turned out OK last time', doesn't mean people will think that way. They'll just be afraid and cross, mostly.
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I think people don't like it when immigrants 'section off' parts of Britain and then that place becomes a mini India or mini Iraq or whatever.
For example, Southall, West London is like a mini India.
Indeed, a natural human action to help them feel safe, just as Brits who migrate (or are just on holiday) seem to form "Little England's", with even English pubs, clubs, and shops!
So any and every culture and nationality do that and have since the start of time -the animal kingdom follows the same pattern although is more reliant on the climate and sourcing food, along with shelter. ;)
I'm not against it or anything but I think it can go too far. I think this sharia law thing is a bit worrying for example.
The last time I was in Southall I got stared at a lot, as if was an invader. I felt quite uncomfortable actually.
I know what you mean Kate, but things are never as bad as some make immigration to be! :) :)
For everyone on here so worried then listen, at high volume to theImmigrant Song by the greatest rock group of all time, Led Zeppelin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnpaPGHFsL4
Enjoy! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :y :y
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How many of these immigrants in the past wanted to destroy the host countries way of life, since that happened by force of arms with the invasion of 1066?
The UN has recently published a report on ethnic cleansing of Christians from the Middle East by the Religion of Peace since WWII and it runs into millions and also the current mass persecution of Christians in Africa which is getting worse.
Most immigration does not pose a threat but one section does which could lead to a Yugoslavia situation at sometime in the future. Moderates aren't a problem, unfortunately it will be the radicals that set the agenda, like they are with their patrols at the moment in parts of London and with what happened in 7/7. I would suggest you look up the Arab words for secular countries and what they call means for the rest. Non-Moslem states are basically called countries we are at war with.
You might argue that it will be alright in the end, but equally on the evidence I have seen I will argue it will not and why take the risk?
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Although I agree with almost all of what you say Lizzie, there's one thing that you don't say (forgive me if you have but I've missed it).
That is, the population that is 'invaded' by newcomers at all these points in history were (I speculate!) never very happy about what was happening at the time.
Just because mankind theoretically has the capacity to study and learn from history, to potentially remove the fear aspect by seeing that 'things turned out OK last time', doesn't mean people will think that way. They'll just be afraid and cross, mostly.
Absolutely right, they were not at the time. :y
However, within a short space of time the Romans, the Anglo Saxons, the Vikings and the Normans , who caused the biggest changes before the birth of the British Empire, were considered of great benefit to those living in England, and were missed when their power faded.
To cut a long, long story: Leaping forward in time with the coming of the Blacks from former / existing British colonies in the 1950's were not welcomed. But now how we value their descendants who are medical, legal, engineering, scientific, teaching, etc, etc, professionals, and how we could not do without them!
It is especially the English who have NEVER welcomed change, especially if it was not white Christian English, but that did not include Catholics or Protestants at certain periods in our history, and as for the Welsh of Scottish peoples..............well jokes still abound in English circles about those tribes who once were enemies of England but now are really close friends.
We soon get over change, and that drove the Empire and the Industrial Revolution on to achieve really Great things, often with the aid of "foreigners" who found their way to our fair shores.
Finally, I would ask can anyone in this Great Isle really claim a PURE British blood line, with truely British DNA all the way back to the ancient Brits? They are the rarity, not us who are in the huge majority from IMMIGRANT blood and DNA. The mix has been the wonderful factor in British history and has avoided the terrible inter breeding that otherwise would have taken place, as it did in certain sectors of the aristocracy! ::) ::) :) :)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nw2w7ACogaY
Not so great Britain.
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How many of these immigrants in the past wanted to destroy the host countries way of life, since that happened by force of arms with the invasion of 1066?
The UN has recently published a report on ethnic cleansing of Christians from the Middle East by the Religion of Peace since WWII and it runs into millions and also the current mass persecution of Christians in Africa which is getting worse.
Most immigration does not pose a threat but one section does which could lead to a Yugoslavia situation at sometime in the future. Moderates aren't a problem, unfortunately it will be the radicals that set the agenda, like they are with their patrols at the moment in parts of London and with what happened in 7/7. I would suggest you look up the Arab words for secular countries and what they call means for the rest. Non-Moslem states are basically called countries we are at war with.
You might argue that it will be alright in the end, but equally on the evidence I have seen I will argue it will not and why take the risk?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RaKpf4Mhg4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YXj9Jh9Rrs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kczkDnMgboU
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How many of these immigrants in the past wanted to destroy the host countries way of life, since that happened by force of arms with the invasion of 1066?
Many! the Catholics wanted to remove the "Bastard" English Queen, Elizabeth I, and change England forever. They, who consisted of many immigrants from outside England, plotted and maneuvered over the years of her reign, with Mary Queen of Scots a victim, and the Spanish Armada that was intended to meet up with English Catholics and force protestants out (by killing them!), destroyed. Over many years over the reigns of the various monarchs of the 17th and 18th centuries, constant change was threatened and achieved by either the Catholics or Protestants trying to overwhelm the other with very real assistance from enemies abroad, who moved across the channel i.e. the French and Spanish. The 1688 Glorious Revolution was the occasion of the English Protestants peacefully forcing out King James II, a Catholic who forced change on English Protestants, and replacing him with a Protestant William Of Orange from Holland to reverse the changes forced on the population of England. With new German monarchs, the George's from Hanover, and Victoria coming from the same immigrant blood line, coupling up to Prince Albert, with the Royal household speaking German far more than they spoke English, change repeatedly took place, but it was a far more peaceful affair accepted by most. With the growth of the British Empire encouraged migration of the English, to dominate foreigners and make money, with immigration bringing in the workers to assist with the Industrial Revolution.
That is the history, which at times was scary for the (English) people living through those times, but look how the British have collectively achieved, and will continue to do so if not too many of us maintain the "Little Englander" approach to the opportunities that await us.
Pessimism never did win anything, and never will for England and Great Britain generally. :D :D :D ;)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RaKpf4Mhg4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YXj9Jh9Rrs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kczkDnMgboU
Frankly it continues to amaze me how so many who purport not to believe in God or an afterlife, with Christian beliefs, can become so scared and agitated by a so called Islamic Revolution!
If everyone is really worried, show your true Christian beliefs, respecting the Christian ways and even populate the (almost empty) churches like never before.
However, you are going through the fear that the English went through that caused the various Crusades. Look where that got us, with even a potentially great English King, Richard I, ending up dead after spending no more than six months in the Kingdom due to him fighting yet another Crusade! Before anyone says, I know that the vast majority of Muslims in the 12th Century were "out there" in the Middle East and not here in England, but they are no more of a threat to us now as they were then.
Muslims believe in God, heaven, and Jesus, as a prophet, and a book of statements concerning how we should lead our lives to achieve salvation that is so similar to the Holly Bible it is uncanny!
Muslims like to generally lead a peaceful life with the population around them, and it is only an irrational fear that makes certain people think differently and suspect a Muslim Revolution. It is ignorant and dangerous in the extreme.
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So,the murder and mayhem around the globe by Muslim fundamentalists is nothing to be concerned about ? They arent trying to take control and dominate wherever they can ?
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So,the murder and mayhem around the globe by Muslim fundamentalists is nothing to be concerned about ? They arent trying to take countrol and dominate wherever they can ? ?
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So,the murder and mayhem around the globe by Muslim fundamentalists is nothing to be concerned about ? They arent trying to take control and dominate wherever they can ?
They are a minority and not in anything like large numbers in the UK ;) ;) ;)
And what you are describing is what the British did in large numbers, killing, imprisoning, committing humans to slavery, as they imposed their will over the natives to achieve control and power. But the natives couldn't fight back so easily as we can now. ;) ;)
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A minority,agreed.But a dangerous minority who shouldnt be pandered to.
What we did centuries ago,is irrelevant imo.It cant possibly justify anyone doing it now.Frankly I dont care if my great great great grandad helped to rule their countries with a rod of iron. That was then,this is now,and I dont owe anyone anything for the past.
As an aside,their countries were invariably in much better shape when ruled by the British empire than they are now.
Im sure many Zimbabweans would welcome the British colonialists back with open arms. ;)
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A minority,agreed.But a dangerous minority who shouldnt be pandered to.
What we did centuries ago,is irrelevant imo.It cant possibly justify anyone doing it now.Frankly I dont care if my great great great grandad helped to rule their countries with a rod of iron. That was then,this is now,and I dont owe anyone anything for the past.
As an aside,their countries were invariably in much better shape when ruled by the British empire than they are now.
Im sure many Zimbabweans would welcome the British colonialists back with open arms. ;)
On both points agreed! :y :y On point one though when they are proved to have broken British law they will be dealt with. Point 2 is a good example of how an initial painful "invasion" proved eventually of good benefit to the natives. :y
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I'm sorry Lizzie but when we have something in the region of 20% youth unemployment, I really fail to see how importing the unskilled youth of Eastern Europe to our fair shores can be of any benefit to the natives... :-\
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Although I agree with almost all of what you say Lizzie, there's one thing that you don't say (forgive me if you have but I've missed it).
That is, the population that is 'invaded' by newcomers at all these points in history were (I speculate!) never very happy about what was happening at the time.
Just because mankind theoretically has the capacity to study and learn from history, to potentially remove the fear aspect by seeing that 'things turned out OK last time', doesn't mean people will think that way. They'll just be afraid and cross, mostly.
Absolutely right, they were not at the time. :y
However, within a short space of time the Romans, the Anglo Saxons, the Vikings and the Normans , who caused the biggest changes before the birth of the British Empire, were considered of great benefit to those living in England, and were missed when their power faded.
To cut a long, long story: Leaping forward in time with the coming of the Blacks from former / existing British colonies in the 1950's were not welcomed. But now how we value their descendants who are medical, legal, engineering, scientific, teaching, etc, etc, professionals, and how we could not do without them!
It is especially the English who have NEVER welcomed change, especially if it was not white Christian English, but that did not include Catholics or Protestants at certain periods in our history, and as for the Welsh of Scottish peoples..............well jokes still abound in English circles about those tribes who once were enemies of England but now are really close friends.
We soon get over change, and that drove the Empire and the Industrial Revolution on to achieve really Great things, often with the aid of "foreigners" who found their way to our fair shores.
Finally, I would ask can anyone in this Great Isle really claim a PURE British blood line, with truely British DNA all the way back to the ancient Brits? They are the rarity, not us who are in the huge majority from IMMIGRANT blood and DNA. The mix has been the wonderful factor in British history and has avoided the terrible inter breeding that otherwise would have taken place, as it did in certain sectors of the aristocracy! ::) ::) :) :)
Here is a DT article on some of their trades that you missed off your list:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9840073/Revealed-gang-rivalry-Mark-Duggan-and-the-unavenged-murder-behind-the-London-riots.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9840073/Revealed-gang-rivalry-Mark-Duggan-and-the-unavenged-murder-behind-the-London-riots.html)
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I suggest we all club together and buy Lizzie a flat in Southall ;D ;D ;D ;D :y
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I suggest we all club together and buy Lizzie a flat in Southall ;D ;D ;D ;D :y
How many rupees will each share be? ;D
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Although I agree with almost all of what you say Lizzie, there's one thing that you don't say (forgive me if you have but I've missed it).
That is, the population that is 'invaded' by newcomers at all these points in history were (I speculate!) never very happy about what was happening at the time.
Just because mankind theoretically has the capacity to study and learn from history, to potentially remove the fear aspect by seeing that 'things turned out OK last time', doesn't mean people will think that way. They'll just be afraid and cross, mostly.
Absolutely right, they were not at the time. :y
However, within a short space of time the Romans, the Anglo Saxons, the Vikings and the Normans , who caused the biggest changes before the birth of the British Empire, were considered of great benefit to those living in England, and were missed when their power faded.
To cut a long, long story: Leaping forward in time with the coming of the Blacks from former / existing British colonies in the 1950's were not welcomed. But now how we value their descendants who are medical, legal, engineering, scientific, teaching, etc, etc, professionals, and how we could not do without them!
It is especially the English who have NEVER welcomed change, especially if it was not white Christian English, but that did not include Catholics or Protestants at certain periods in our history, and as for the Welsh of Scottish peoples..............well jokes still abound in English circles about those tribes who once were enemies of England but now are really close friends.
We soon get over change, and that drove the Empire and the Industrial Revolution on to achieve really Great things, often with the aid of "foreigners" who found their way to our fair shores.
Finally, I would ask can anyone in this Great Isle really claim a PURE British blood line, with truely British DNA all the way back to the ancient Brits? They are the rarity, not us who are in the huge majority from IMMIGRANT blood and DNA. The mix has been the wonderful factor in British history and has avoided the terrible inter breeding that otherwise would have taken place, as it did in certain sectors of the aristocracy! ::) ::) :) :)
Here is a DT article on some of their trades that you missed off your list:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9840073/Revealed-gang-rivalry-Mark-Duggan-and-the-unavenged-murder-behind-the-London-riots.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9840073/Revealed-gang-rivalry-Mark-Duggan-and-the-unavenged-murder-behind-the-London-riots.html)
What does that prove Rods2? ::) ::)
There is good and bad in all, no matter of what colour, creed, culture, or religion. Just think how many very serious crimes are committed by whites, but that is in proportion with the population who are white. That is the same with blacks. However, when a certain race is isolated by the majority, and given the hard shoulder, then a feeling of hitting back may increase their level of crime!
Remember, Hitler and Stalin were white! So was Guy Fawkes, Dr. Crippen, Jack the Ripper, the Yorkshire Ripper, The Great Train Robbers, Raoul Moat, and 100s of thousands of other serious criminals, oh, including Fagin (yes there were many Jewish Fagin's in Victorian England)!
You can always put a colour to a crime and paint all with the same brush.
Anyway, for all those I cannot convince with my numerous posts, let me leave you with this thought:
Organise a film unit, get a brilliant director, a bunch of evil looking foreigners - maybe Muslims - then make a film of their faces in dark sinister tones, with evil threatening looks. Edit the film of shots with rats, or snakes, or spiders - something the majority of people fear - and blend in with the ghastly, horrible, wicked foreigners, and put a commentary on showing how they threaten the country. Then show the completed film everywhere to white sympathetic audiences, ensuring you transmit the message that all these dreadful foreigners businesses are boycotted, even attacked, with your mobs roaming the streets to rough up, even kill these dirty foreigners. Try even to get Parliament to pass an act making all of these disgusting people aliens, and criminals of the State, then when passed organise a "Black Knight" night to round up and ruin all these undesirables, to finally rid the State of them.
After that you will remember that your DNA includes elements from foreign, non-English, descent. Then the State machine will come for you!!
ENOUGH!!! I am making myself sick writing this script. But I am sure you will remember and consider what history has taught us and how humans can quickly turn into beasts to consume each other when not conforming to their ideas of normality! >:( >:( >:(
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I suggest we all club together and buy Lizzie a flat in Southall ;D ;D ;D ;D :y
Why not! :y :y :y :y I can return to my idea of a great, internationally recognised, cosmopolitan London where business comes in and goes out in huge quantities due to the diverse, multi-lingual speaking, work force that attracts even more trade! The Footsie 100 was 6% up this morning, with a financial analyst from a trading company very buoyant about the positive trends coming through:
http://www.londonstockexchange.com/exchange/prices-and-markets/stocks/indices/summary/summary-indices.html?index=UKX
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :y :y
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Although I agree with almost all of what you say Lizzie, there's one thing that you don't say (forgive me if you have but I've missed it).
That is, the population that is 'invaded' by newcomers at all these points in history were (I speculate!) never very happy about what was happening at the time.
Just because mankind theoretically has the capacity to study and learn from history, to potentially remove the fear aspect by seeing that 'things turned out OK last time', doesn't mean people will think that way. They'll just be afraid and cross, mostly.
Absolutely right, they were not at the time. :y
However, within a short space of time the Romans, the Anglo Saxons, the Vikings and the Normans , who caused the biggest changes before the birth of the British Empire, were considered of great benefit to those living in England, and were missed when their power faded.
To cut a long, long story: Leaping forward in time with the coming of the Blacks from former / existing British colonies in the 1950's were not welcomed. But now how we value their descendants who are medical, legal, engineering, scientific, teaching, etc, etc, professionals, and how we could not do without them!
It is especially the English who have NEVER welcomed change, especially if it was not white Christian English, but that did not include Catholics or Protestants at certain periods in our history, and as for the Welsh of Scottish peoples..............well jokes still abound in English circles about those tribes who once were enemies of England but now are really close friends.
We soon get over change, and that drove the Empire and the Industrial Revolution on to achieve really Great things, often with the aid of "foreigners" who found their way to our fair shores.
Finally, I would ask can anyone in this Great Isle really claim a PURE British blood line, with truely British DNA all the way back to the ancient Brits? They are the rarity, not us who are in the huge majority from IMMIGRANT blood and DNA. The mix has been the wonderful factor in British history and has avoided the terrible inter breeding that otherwise would have taken place, as it did in certain sectors of the aristocracy! ::) ::) :) :)
Here is a DT article on some of their trades that you missed off your list:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9840073/Revealed-gang-rivalry-Mark-Duggan-and-the-unavenged-murder-behind-the-London-riots.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9840073/Revealed-gang-rivalry-Mark-Duggan-and-the-unavenged-murder-behind-the-London-riots.html)
What does that prove Rods2? ::) ::)
There is good and bad in all, no matter of what colour, creed, culture, or religion. Just think how many very serious crimes are committed by whites, but that is in proportion with the population who are white. That is the same with blacks. However, when a certain race is isolated by the majority, and given the hard shoulder, then a feeling of hitting back may increase their level of crime!
Remember, Hitler and Stalin were white! So was Guy Fawkes, Dr. Crippen, Jack the Ripper, the Yorkshire Ripper, The Great Train Robbers, Raoul Moat, and 100s of thousands of other serious criminals, oh, including Fagin (yes there were many Jewish Fagin's in Victorian England)!
You can always put a colour to a crime and paint all with the same brush.
Anyway, for all those I cannot convince with my numerous posts, let me leave you with this thought:
Organise a film unit, get a brilliant director, a bunch of evil looking foreigners - maybe Muslims - then make a film of their faces in dark sinister tones, with evil threatening looks. Edit the film of shots with rats, or snakes, or spiders - something the majority of people fear - and blend in with the ghastly, horrible, wicked foreigners, and put a commentary on showing how they threaten the country. Then show the completed film everywhere to white sympathetic audiences, ensuring you transmit the message that all these dreadful foreigners businesses are boycotted, even attacked, with your mobs roaming the streets to rough up, even kill these dirty foreigners. Try even to get Parliament to pass an act making all of these disgusting people aliens, and criminals of the State, then when passed organise a "Black Knight" night to round up and ruin all these undesirables, to finally rid the State of them.
After that you will remember that your DNA includes elements from foreign, non-English, descent. Then the State machine will come for you!!
ENOUGH!!! I am making myself sick writing this script. But I am sure you will remember and consider what history has taught us and how humans can quickly turn into beasts to consume each other when not conforming to their ideas of normality! >:( >:( >:(
Sorry Rods2, but I must also add the following:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-21276423
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21292338
All white criminals!! ;)
And we could go on and on with that one! :D :D
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All I know is, I do not live 2 or 3 or 800 years ago. You can make statistics work for you pretty much however you want, but. 'I am worried'... :-\
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysBJ5G4m67s
I was always taught to 'live and let live', but worry that others were not ?
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All I know is, I do not live 2 or 3 or 800 years ago. You can make statistics work for you pretty much however you want, but. 'I am worried'... :-\
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysBJ5G4m67s
I was always taught to 'live and let live', but worry that others were not ?
If that is right, and I have no argument to suggest it is not, the we should be worrying...... :o :o :o
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I suggest we all club together and buy Lizzie a flat in Southall ;D ;D ;D ;D :y
She is about the only person on this whole thread who is actually talking sense and not Daily Mail/Telegraph (and worse!) speak IMHO. I was beginning to feel ashamed to drive a mig. So now you move on to attacking her! Shame on you.
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I'm not against it or anything but I think it can go too far. I think this sharia law thing is a bit worrying for example.
The last time I was in Southall I got stared at a lot, as if was an invader. I felt quite uncomfortable actually.
So you ought to have some empathy with immigrants living in this country. Or reading this thread. I find this thread a bit worrying and my family came over in 1066 with the Normans!
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I suggest we all club together and buy Lizzie a flat in Southall ;D ;D ;D ;D :y
She is about the only person on this whole thread who is actually talking sense and not Daily Mail/Telegraph (and worse!) speak IMHO. I was beginning to feel ashamed to drive a mig. So now you move on to attacking her! Shame on you.
Attacking her....no way mate....look at the smiley's.....all banter :y
Even Lizzie saw the lighter side :y :y :y :y :y If Lizzie was offended, I appologise to her.....
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I suggest we all club together and buy Lizzie a flat in Southall ;D ;D ;D ;D :y
She is about the only person on this whole thread who is actually talking sense and not Daily Mail/Telegraph (and worse!) speak IMHO. I was beginning to feel ashamed to drive a mig. So now you move on to attacking her! Shame on you.
Thank you! :y :y :y :y :y
In my humble way I try. That is all we can do as rational humans ;)
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I'm not against it or anything but I think it can go too far. I think this sharia law thing is a bit worrying for example.
The last time I was in Southall I got stared at a lot, as if was an invader. I felt quite uncomfortable actually.
So you ought to have some empathy with immigrants living in this country. Or reading this thread. I find this thread a bit worrying and my family came over in 1066 with the Normans!
And that is what I have been trying to explain to others; we are ALL immigrants in this country without exception!
On my mothers side I am a descendant of French Jewish merchants in Paris, and of course I was born in Malta G.C. to British parents. On my dad's side I descend from an Italian family. My daughter has married an Italian, and my grandchildren are being brought up bilingual.
Descendants of the Normans, themselves descendants from Norseman, were immigrants when they landed in 1066, but now are the genetic base of millions of Brits.
The law of nature dictates that the minority is eventually absorbed to become part of the majority, with some favourable change.
One day all British will have a lovely tan coloured skin and even stronger DNA that makes for an extremely healthy human being. No inbreeding here, and England at least has become strong because of it!
What is the problem? Before you answer if you wish, read all my previous posts!
:D :D :D :y
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I suggest we all club together and buy Lizzie a flat in Southall ;D ;D ;D ;D :y
She is about the only person on this whole thread who is actually talking sense and not Daily Mail/Telegraph (and worse!) speak IMHO. I was beginning to feel ashamed to drive a mig. So now you move on to attacking her! Shame on you.
Attacking her....no way mate....look at the smiley's.....all banter :y
Even Lizzie saw the lighter side :y :y :y :y :y If Lizzie was offended, I appologise to her.....
No need Terbert. :y :y :y We are all having an adult "conversation" without personal attacks about a really interesting subject that obviously some have very deep feelings, and fear, about. I am trying to dispel that fear that has been with the English nation ever since we were created as a country. It is normal and natural, a tribal thing, and has meant the English have defended these shores against all odds! ;)
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I'm not against it or anything but I think it can go too far. I think this sharia law thing is a bit worrying for example.
The last time I was in Southall I got stared at a lot, as if was an invader. I felt quite uncomfortable actually.
So you ought to have some empathy with immigrants living in this country. Or reading this thread. I find this thread a bit worrying and my family came over in 1066 with the Normans!
And that is what I have been trying to explain to others; we are ALL immigrants in this country without exception!
On my mothers side I am a descendant of French Jewish merchants in Paris, and of course I was born in Malta G.C. to British parents. On my dad's side I descend from an Italian family. My daughter has married an Italian, and my grandchildren are being brought up bilingual.
Descendants of the Normans, themselves descendants from Norseman, were immigrants when they landed in 1066, but now are the genetic base of millions of Brits.
The law of nature dictates that the minority is eventually absorbed to become part of the majority, with some favourable change.
One day all British will have a lovely tan coloured skin and even stronger DNA that makes for an extremely healthy human being. No inbreeding here, and England at least has become strong because of it!
What is the problem? Before you answer if you wish, read all my previous posts!
:D :D :D :y
yes Lizzie , we are also! :y
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I suggest we all club together and buy Lizzie a flat in Southall ;D ;D ;D ;D :y
She is about the only person on this whole thread who is actually talking sense and not Daily Mail/Telegraph (and worse!) speak IMHO. I was beginning to feel ashamed to drive a mig. So now you move on to attacking her! Shame on you.
Attacking her....no way mate....look at the smiley's.....all banter :y
Even Lizzie saw the lighter side :y :y :y :y :y If Lizzie was offended, I appologise to her.....
No need Terbert. :y :y :y We are all having an adult "conversation" without personal attacks about a really interesting subject that obviously some have very deep feelings, and fear, about. I am trying to dispel that fear that has been with the English nation ever since we were created as a country. It is normal and natural, a tribal thing, and has meant the English have defended these shores against all odds! ;)
You are right there, Lizzie....I have machine gun nests situated every 10ft around my house ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :y
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I suggest we all club together and buy Lizzie a flat in Southall ;D ;D ;D ;D :y
She is about the only person on this whole thread who is actually talking sense and not Daily Mail/Telegraph (and worse!) speak IMHO. I was beginning to feel ashamed to drive a mig. So now you move on to attacking her! Shame on you.
Attacking her....no way mate....look at the smiley's.....all banter :y
Even Lizzie saw the lighter side :y :y :y :y :y If Lizzie was offended, I appologise to her.....
No need Terbert. :y :y :y We are all having an adult "conversation" without personal attacks about a really interesting subject that obviously some have very deep feelings, and fear, about. I am trying to dispel that fear that has been with the English nation ever since we were created as a country. It is normal and natural, a tribal thing, and has meant the English have defended these shores against all odds! ;)
You are right there, Lizzie....I have machine gun nests situated every 10ft around my house ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :y
:y :y :y :y Well, every Englishman's home is his castle terbert! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :y
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I'm not against it or anything but I think it can go too far. I think this sharia law thing is a bit worrying for example.
The last time I was in Southall I got stared at a lot, as if was an invader. I felt quite uncomfortable actually.
So you ought to have some empathy with immigrants living in this country. Or reading this thread. I find this thread a bit worrying and my family came over in 1066 with the Normans!
And that is what I have been trying to explain to others; we are ALL immigrants in this country without exception!
On my mothers side I am a descendant of French Jewish merchants in Paris, and of course I was born in Malta G.C. to British parents. On my dad's side I descend from an Italian family. My daughter has married an Italian, and my grandchildren are being brought up bilingual.
Descendants of the Normans, themselves descendants from Norseman, were immigrants when they landed in 1066, but now are the genetic base of millions of Brits.
The law of nature dictates that the minority is eventually absorbed to become part of the majority, with some favourable change.
One day all British will have a lovely tan coloured skin and even stronger DNA that makes for an extremely healthy human being. No inbreeding here, and England at least has become strong because of it!
What is the problem? Before you answer if you wish, read all my previous posts!
:D :D :D :y
yes Lizzie , we are also! :y
:y :y :y
I am still waiting Cem for a member or two on here to claim they are direct descendants of the Iceni tribe in Eastern England, headed by Queen Boudicca.............born around 25AD to a CELTIC Royal family! That is fascinating British history in itself, but just think - the battle at Wattling Street in around 60/61AD with the Romans, who had invaded in 43AD, was between a Celtic immigrant to England between an immigrant army! ;D ;D ;D ;D :y
The irony!! None were truly English, with Boudicca herself a Celt who is now more associated with Scotland, Ireland or Wales!! 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
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Irrespective of immigration from anywhere I would not generally mind, but....
We have 2.6 million unemployed, we have a housing crisis, the NHS is stretched to its limit, Doctors lists are full, schools are over subscribed, we cannot care for our old folk, people are losing jobs and their houses with the cuts......
When the supermarket shelves are full, they cut their ordering....when your larder is full, you do not buy, when the car is full of oil, you stop adding....
Its common sense...... :y
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Irrespective of immigration from anywhere I would not generally mind, but....
We have 2.6 million unemployed, we have a housing crisis, the NHS is stretched to its limit, Doctors lists are full, schools are over subscribed, we cannot care for our old folk, people are losing jobs and their houses with the cuts......
When the supermarket shelves are full, they cut their ordering....when your larder is full, you do not buy, when the car is full of oil, you stop adding....
Its common sense...... :y
I would answer that terbert with: our population is fast becoming a majority over 65 years of age. We need new young blood to keep our industries going, and growing, with tax being generated to pay for all the services, along with the pensions and health care required to our old citizens.
Our schools, at least in Kent, are currently worried about having too few pupils as numbers decline, and as for all the other services you mention, well they are feeling the pinch due to a national financial situation, not one caused by a few thousand immigrants. In fact if we put those immigrants to work for the nation and do what many immigrants have done before, build businesses, we will see GDP rise. That will pay for our needs later.