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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: Entwood on 10 February 2013, 23:21:43
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Was with friends last night, most of whom have 4x4 or "pseudo" 4x4 as they also tow, and the subject of replacement tow cars came up. I was an obvious "target" due to my abhorrence of 4x4, and my requirement for RWD ... so they were asking what I would replace the Omega with if I had to (not that I intend to for some while). They all came up with the obvious BMW & Merc options but were extremely surprised at my mention of the VW Phaeton, a car I admire quite highly and if I had the money one would be seriously considered, as some of them had not even heard of the beast !!
Now, the level of "toys", and the price for mid 2000 year cars looks quite good, but on autotrader they are 90% diesel, and I've only found 1 LPG version anywhere.
Any one driven one/owned one/know anything about one ?? :) or is my admiration totally misplaced ?? :)
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Pscocoa has one. If that helps?
But I'm not sure LPG could keep a vag engine management system happy tbh. Like BMW they seem a bit fussy around that era.
I like that nobody's heard of it though. :y
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Very nice cars the VW Phaeton visualy no idea how they drive, Like you say Petrol versions are rare :-\
these where the only x2 cheapish ones i could find on eBay.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2004-Volkswagen-Phaeton-4-2-V8-4MOTION-4DR-5-SEAT-AUTO-FULL-HISTORY-/321053454028?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item4ac046eecc[/size][/font]
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Volkswagen-Phaeton-3-2-V6-2005-/271085509069?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item3f1df499cd[/font]
Maybe the diesels are pretty fast ?
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some info here..
http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/carbycar/volkswagen/phaeton-2002/?section=good (http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/carbycar/volkswagen/phaeton-2002/?section=good)
http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/carbycar/volkswagen/phaeton-2002/?section=bad (http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/carbycar/volkswagen/phaeton-2002/?section=bad)
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Hmm I wouldn't mind this diesel tractor ;D
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201211304459032/sort/locasc/usedcars/engine-size-cars/4l_to_4-9l/model/phaeton/make/volkswagen/onesearchad/used/onesearchad/nearlynew/onesearchad/new/postcode/ll669aa/page/1/radius/1500?logcode=p (http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201211304459032/sort/locasc/usedcars/engine-size-cars/4l_to_4-9l/model/phaeton/make/volkswagen/onesearchad/used/onesearchad/nearlynew/onesearchad/new/postcode/ll669aa/page/1/radius/1500?logcode=p)
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http://youtu.be/T0hsFwWiCOA
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http://youtu.be/T0hsFwWiCOA
a very impressive car with a huge spec, I'd definitely be confused for some time working out all the gadgets :o
A worthy Omega replacement for sure 8) :y
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The only 2 things that concerns me (this could be nothing as I've never driven one) that the VW may be too heavy (2.8 ton gross avarage model and 3.0ton gross for V10 Tdi) and too large that it won't handle well or wont be much fun to drive (around here at least with the small country lanes) ideal motorway cruiser though, no doubt it would make a wonderful luxury car.
looking at it more deeply it's one nicely shaped car pleasing to the eye not brash at all like BMWs, Mercs etc.
Looking at the performance to fuel ratio a Diesel would be much better overall.
"54" 3.2 Petrol 9.2sec to 0-62 Top Speed 150mph (urban) 16.4mpg
"05" 3.0 Diesel 8.8sex to 0-62 Top Speed 145mph (urban) 21.9mpg
According to Auto Trader that is.
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Yeah Pscocoa has one, quite new-ish one too.
I recall issues with the early ones and shocks, they changed the design. So if one shock failed, all 4 had to be replaced :o
Bentley running costs with VW badge I think, although like the Omega a depreciation disaster which is good for us!
I like looks of them too, problem is DIY on them would be very, very hard I think. Most who have them will just take them to that nice man in the dealer, then just open the wallet ::)
My worry would be as they get older and things fail, you won't have a technical community like you do here.
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I'm sure pscocoa will advise, but, iirc, the issue with the shocks was with the supplier. So Vw changed the supplier from 04 on. Which means waiting a little longer, looking at prices. :-\
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My worry would be as they get older and things fail, you won't have a technical community like you do here.
There must be a decent VAG forum out there, surely?
Actually, who am I kidding, I've already looked :-X
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Indeed, utterly hopeless on the forum front. Polo, golf and one of the Audi sections, complete waist of time. ::)
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My worry would be as they get older and things fail, you won't have a technical community like you do here.
There must be a decent VAG forum out there, surely?
Actually, who am I kidding, I've already looked :-X
Think most forums will struggle to match what we have here, if a coil pack, crank/cam sensor, HBV, door lock fails we know exactly what has to be done.
Can't see that on a Phaeton forum :-\
Guess maybe Jaguar have some of the better forums than most? :-\
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Almost tempted but for a couple of concerns :-\
1. It's built by VAG, and given they cost well over £40k new and should therefore be reasonably well screwed together, I don't entirely trust them. After all they are built from the shinier end of the Passat parts bin ::)
2. Some retard in the design department put the timing chains on the back of the block ::) So by the time they become affordable with a few miles on the clock, we as second or third owners could potentially be faced with removing the engines to replace rattling chains resulting from long life servicec intervals. And that's before you get to replacing all the suspension joints and all four tyres :-\
Probably a safe enough bet at one year old or preregistered with less than 10k, but probably a real liability if bought later on...
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They're nice cars, I recently had a 12 plate Diesel, very now cars, drive well, and I think look the part too :y. Expensive servicing and repairs if anything should go wrong though. I wouldn't get a petrol one.
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Probably a safe enough bet at one year old or preregistered with less than 10k, but probably a real liability if bought later on...
Any large car is, if it has a few miles on it, and "FSH" ;)
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It is a brilliant car which I have from new as a pre reg with 21 miles on clock. You definitely need to drive one in the wet and see how well it handles with its permanent 4 wheel drive, 2.5 tonnes and suspension options.
No faults other than a sensor and a rear bulb which both faulted 2 days before a scheduled service plus the dealer messed up a water pump recall. I only use it for long distances and you never feel tired. I do not use the toys to the full - only used video once but the big hard drive and card readers and 6 CD player and iPod connection give you a massive music option.
There are airbags everywhere and I think it won some safety award.
As I have said many times - for the money I simply could not find an Omega replacement eg an A8 was around £70k - I paid £29k for this. Some Guys on the Phaeton site pick their's up from Dresden and pay full whack - I could not bring myself to do that knowing the huge loss that would be immediately incurred.
Interestingly insurance is cheap in fact Swinton have just quoted £270. Road tax is a bummer at £435. Service is normal say £250 average over 2 years, mpg on motorway use is 37, it is very very quiet - when I was buying the car I asked about the road tax and the salesguy said "sir, if you have to ask the price of the road tax you cannot afford the car!!"
The space inside the cabin is what I was after at my size (length and width).
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Hopefully by running, and maintaining it, from new, you should be able to keep it sweet for as long as you need it :y
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That was the plan - I have extended the warranty for 2 years at a cost of £425 per year so fingers crossed.
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....- when I was buying the car I asked about the road tax and the salesguy said "sir, if you have to ask the price of the road tax you cannot afford the car!!"
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To which you should've said I wasn't asking for a credit rating >:( .................. what's the road tax each year? ::)
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....- when I was buying the car I asked about the road tax and the salesguy said "sir, if you have to ask the price of the road tax you cannot afford the car!!"
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To which you should've said I wasn't asking for a credit rating >:( .................. what's the road tax each year? ::)
Reply #16 - " Road tax is a bummer at £435." :y
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....- when I was buying the car I asked about the road tax and the salesguy said "sir, if you have to ask the price of the road tax you cannot afford the car!!"
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To which you should've said I wasn't asking for a credit rating >:( .................. what's the road tax each year? ::)
Reply #16 - " Road tax is a bummer at £435." :y
I think Andy B knows ;)
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....- when I was buying the car I asked about the road tax and the salesguy said "sir, if you have to ask the price of the road tax you cannot afford the car!!"
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To which you should've said I wasn't asking for a credit rating >:( .................. what's the road tax each year? ::)
Reply #16 - " Road tax is a bummer at £435." :y
I think Andy B knows ;)
I'm not sure, but I think £435 would be a discount ......... I'm sure mine is more like £470 ??? ???
Just looked ..... it was £460 last year
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Just checked - yes £460. 90 litre tank costs a fortune to fuel as well but 37 mpg at decent speed is ok. Done over 1000 miles in last week so happy to trade off comfort and driving experience against fuel cost saving.
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I would love a car like the phaeton but I think the Omega will be my last "nice" car. Living where I do, it'll be impossible to keep it in good condition and the constant curtain twitching, looking out the window to see if anyone has parked too close it will probably send me to an early grave. ;D
I'll probably get a 7 seater banger
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..... but 37 mpg at decent speed is ok. ...
If only my Merc was as economical as yours ;D ;D A recent drive to Edinburgh & back at an indicated 80mph saw 31mpg.
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Just checked - yes £460. 90 litre tank costs a fortune to fuel as well but 37 mpg at decent speed is ok. Done over 1000 miles in last week so happy to trade off comfort and driving experience against fuel cost saving.
Which Phaeton do you have ?? The V10 gets very good write ups as a tow car :) (Not that I'm considering changing yet .. just wondering !!! )
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I have the V6 tdi which is known as the sensible one. When you go to meets they are all over the V10s and LWBs but they are very heavy on juice.
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Would you mind giving us a shout when they next meet? I wouldn't mind tagging along, if they allow us chavy omega owners anywhere near of course. :)
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I would love a car like the phaeton but I think the Omega will be my last "nice" car. Living where I do, it'll be impossible to keep it in good condition and the constant curtain twitching, looking out the window to see if anyone has parked too close it will probably send me to an early grave. ;D
I'll probably get a 7 seater banger
This is why I keep the Omega - any round town stuff and station car parks is left to the Elite - t cut and the star silver helps minimise the scratches. If I have to park the Phaeton anywhere then I am very careful but 3 years on it can only be a question of time/ law of averages that I collect a knock.
Have to be realistic.
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Would you mind giving us a shout when they next meet? I wouldn't mind tagging along, if they allow us chavy omega owners anywhere near of course. :)
No probs it is usually in November/ December in Puckeridge in Herts
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Almost tempted but for a couple of concerns :-\
1. It's built by VAG, and given they cost well over £40k new and should therefore be reasonably well screwed together, I don't entirely trust them. After all they are built from the shinier end of the Passat parts bin ::)
2. Some retard in the design department put the timing chains on the back of the block ::) So by the time they become affordable with a few miles on the clock, we as second or third owners could potentially be faced with removing the engines to replace rattling chains resulting from long life service intervals. And that's before you get to replacing all the suspension joints and all four tyres :-\
Probably a safe enough bet at one year old or preregistered with less than 10k, but probably a real liability if bought later on...
They let another retard loose on the electrics; there are a whole bunch of ECUs under the passenger floor which frequently get flooded. Then you(or the car) suffer from all sorts of debilitating electrical issues. I've recovered several brand new, unregistered Phaetons from the docks with this problem, and a couple of cars that were in use.
I do like the car though, it's a good alternative to an A8 without the suicide spec interior and the tedious 'premium' pretensions.
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nice , well built, quality car by any standards..
however with sizes 5,05 or 5,17 its definitely not a good choice for crowded cities.. :-\
I'm fed up with searching a safe and suitable size parking space even for omega..
and many days even for clit size..
and with 2.5 tons of weight wont win the fuel economy car of year.. ;D
cars are consumables, although most of us dont think in this way.. because the system requires that..
personally I wouldnt :-\
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So far no electrical problems of this nature and I switched from long life to time and distance servicing in first year.
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nice , well built, quality car by any standards..
however with sizes 5,05 or 5,17 its definitely not a good choice for crowded cities.. :-\
I'm fed up with searching a safe and suitable size parking space even for omega..
and many days even for clit size..
and with 2.5 tons of weight wont win the fuel economy car of year.. ;D
cars are consumables, although most of us dont think in this way.. because the system requires that..
personally I wouldnt :-\
One of the reasons I'm interested :) 2.5 tons with that amount of power will pull my tin tent with ease and safety :)
All these light weight cars are no good as tugs !!
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nice , well built, quality car by any standards..
however with sizes 5,05 or 5,17 its definitely not a good choice for crowded cities.. :-\
I'm fed up with searching a safe and suitable size parking space even for omega..
and many days even for clit size..
and with 2.5 tons of weight wont win the fuel economy car of year.. ;D
cars are consumables, although most of us dont think in this way.. because the system requires that..
personally I wouldnt :-\
One of the reasons I'm interested :) 2.5 tons with that amount of power will pull my tin tent with ease and safety :)
All these light weight cars are no good as tugs !!
Entwood, sure they have good brakes but consider they have to stop 2.5 ton + extras downhill..
dont know but a voice tells me its not a practical choice for you.. :-\
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A far better choice than a landcruiser/discovery/range rover etc etc etc :)
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nice , well built, quality car by any standards..
however with sizes 5,05 or 5,17 its definitely not a good choice for crowded cities.. :-\
I'm fed up with searching a safe and suitable size parking space even for omega..
and many days even for clit size..
and with 2.5 tons of weight wont win the fuel economy car of year.. ;D
cars are consumables, although most of us dont think in this way.. because the system requires that..
personally I wouldnt :-\
One of the reasons I'm interested :) 2.5 tons with that amount of power will pull my tin tent with ease and safety :)
All these light weight cars are no good as tugs !!
Entwood, sure they have good brakes but consider they have to stop 2.5 ton + extras downhill..
dont know but a voice tells me its not a practical choice for you.. :-\
I don't know anything about pikeys cem, but I do know that the tow vehicle needs to be bigger than the towed vehicle. And if you'd seen the size of Entwoods caravan, you'd know that the omega could do with being a bit heavier. :y
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A far better choice than a landcruiser/discovery/range rover etc etc etc :)
yep..
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nice , well built, quality car by any standards..
however with sizes 5,05 or 5,17 its definitely not a good choice for crowded cities.. :-\
I'm fed up with searching a safe and suitable size parking space even for omega..
and many days even for clit size..
and with 2.5 tons of weight wont win the fuel economy car of year.. ;D
cars are consumables, although most of us dont think in this way.. because the system requires that..
personally I wouldnt :-\
One of the reasons I'm interested :) 2.5 tons with that amount of power will pull my tin tent with ease and safety :)
All these light weight cars are no good as tugs !!
Entwood, sure they have good brakes but consider they have to stop 2.5 ton + extras downhill..
dont know but a voice tells me its not a practical choice for you.. :-\
I don't know anything about pikeys cem, but I do know that the tow vehicle needs to be bigger than the towed vehicle. And if you'd seen the size of Entwoods caravan, you'd know that the omega could do with being a bit heavier. :y
if it wont make a hole in the budget with future expenses, probably.. remember it will be more than 10 years old :-\
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nice , well built, quality car by any standards..
however with sizes 5,05 or 5,17 its definitely not a good choice for crowded cities.. :-\
I'm fed up with searching a safe and suitable size parking space even for omega..
and many days even for clit size..
and with 2.5 tons of weight wont win the fuel economy car of year.. ;D
cars are consumables, although most of us dont think in this way.. because the system requires that..
personally I wouldnt :-\
One of the reasons I'm interested :) 2.5 tons with that amount of power will pull my tin tent with ease and safety :)
All these light weight cars are no good as tugs !!
Entwood, sure they have good brakes but consider they have to stop 2.5 ton + extras downhill..
dont know but a voice tells me its not a practical choice for you.. :-\
I don't know anything about pikeys cem, but I do know that the tow vehicle needs to be bigger than the towed vehicle. And if you'd seen the size of Entwoods caravan, you'd know that the omega could do with being a bit heavier. :y
Not needed Chris .. Van MPTLW 1680 Kgs ... Omega sits (kerb weight) at 2200 kgs no tail wagging dog there ... :)
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nice , well built, quality car by any standards..
however with sizes 5,05 or 5,17 its definitely not a good choice for crowded cities.. :-\
I'm fed up with searching a safe and suitable size parking space even for omega..
and many days even for clit size..
and with 2.5 tons of weight wont win the fuel economy car of year.. ;D
cars are consumables, although most of us dont think in this way.. because the system requires that..
personally I wouldnt :-\
One of the reasons I'm interested :) 2.5 tons with that amount of power will pull my tin tent with ease and safety :)
All these light weight cars are no good as tugs !!
Entwood, sure they have good brakes but consider they have to stop 2.5 ton + extras downhill..
dont know but a voice tells me its not a practical choice for you.. :-\
I don't know anything about pikeys cem, but I do know that the tow vehicle needs to be bigger than the towed vehicle. And if you'd seen the size of Entwoods caravan, you'd know that the omega could do with being a bit heavier. :y
if it wont make a hole in the budget with future expenses, probably.. remember it will be more than 10 years old :-\
Like the current car then. :)
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nice , well built, quality car by any standards..
however with sizes 5,05 or 5,17 its definitely not a good choice for crowded cities.. :-\
I'm fed up with searching a safe and suitable size parking space even for omega..
and many days even for clit size..
and with 2.5 tons of weight wont win the fuel economy car of year.. ;D
cars are consumables, although most of us dont think in this way.. because the system requires that..
personally I wouldnt :-\
One of the reasons I'm interested :) 2.5 tons with that amount of power will pull my tin tent with ease and safety :)
All these light weight cars are no good as tugs !!
Entwood, sure they have good brakes but consider they have to stop 2.5 ton + extras downhill..
dont know but a voice tells me its not a practical choice for you.. :-\
I don't know anything about pikeys cem, but I do know that the tow vehicle needs to be bigger than the towed vehicle. And if you'd seen the size of Entwoods caravan, you'd know that the omega could do with being a bit heavier. :y
if it wont make a hole in the budget with future expenses, probably.. remember it will be more than 10 years old :-\
Like the current car then. :)
I'm sure Entwood , brought the car to a tip top condition.. with this he will start from the beginning..
which also puts me off from buying another car :-\
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Almost tempted but for a couple of concerns :-\
1. It's built by VAG, and given they cost well over £40k new and should therefore be reasonably well screwed together, I don't entirely trust them. After all they are built from the shinier end of the Passat parts bin ::)
2. Some retard in the design department put the timing chains on the back of the block ::) So by the time they become affordable with a few miles on the clock, we as second or third owners could potentially be faced with removing the engines to replace rattling chains resulting from long life service intervals. And that's before you get to replacing all the suspension joints and all four tyres :-\
Probably a safe enough bet at one year old or preregistered with less than 10k, but probably a real liability if bought later on...
They let another retard loose on the electrics; there are a whole bunch of ECUs under the passenger floor which frequently get flooded. Then you(or the car) suffer from all sorts of debilitating electrical issues. I've recovered several brand new, unregistered Phaetons from the docks with this problem, and a couple of cars that were in use.
I do like the car though, it's a good alternative to an A8 without the suicide spec interior and the tedious 'premium' pretensions.
Engine technical here:
http://www.volkspage.net/technik/ssp/ssp/SSP_350.pdf (http://www.volkspage.net/technik/ssp/ssp/SSP_350.pdf)
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:o cam chains, and a balancer shaft. :o
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(http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x80/mecdv6/phaeton_zps23bb626e.jpg)
looking at this picture , I cant guess how will be an lpg installation and other parts of the car..
quality comes at a cost.. complexity.. :-X
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Ah, German engineering. Easily recognisable from the sheer complexity of it!
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Would you mind giving us a shout when they next meet? I wouldn't mind tagging along, if they allow us chavy omega owners anywhere near of course. :)
They will consider you one of the "Saxo" lot with your chavtastic mods :)
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I make that four chains, all at the back of the engine :-\
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(http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x80/mecdv6/phaeton_zps23bb626e.jpg)
looking at this picture , I cant guess how will be an lpg installation and other parts of the car..
quality comes at a cost.. complexity.. :-X
It's a diesel. :) while it's possible to LPG I diesel, nobody ever seems to due to minimal payback. Although, if it was a petrol, why would lpg be difficult to install? :)
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Would you mind giving us a shout when they next meet? I wouldn't mind tagging along, if they allow us chavy omega owners anywhere near of course. :)
They will consider you one of the "Saxo" lot with your chavtastic mods :)
I have a base ball cap somewhere, it even fits I think. Rrrraviniiiit ;D
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Although... I do believe Mr pscocoa has very similars refinements on his omega. ;)
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Although... I do believe Mr pscocoa has very similars refinements on his omega. ;)
If you are referring to factory fitted irmscher mods some 12 years ago almost then I stand guilty...
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Although... I do believe Mr pscocoa has very similars refinements on his omega. ;)
If you are referring to factory fitted irmscher mods some 12 years ago almost then I stand guilty...
...quite so my dear fellow. Quite so.
Makes for a far far superior Elite, IMO. :y
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(http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x80/mecdv6/phaeton_zps23bb626e.jpg)
looking at this picture , I cant guess how will be an lpg installation and other parts of the car..
quality comes at a cost.. complexity.. :-X
It's a diesel. :) while it's possible to LPG I diesel, nobody ever seems to due to minimal payback. Although, if it was a petrol, why would lpg be difficult to install? :)
I know.. and its only 6 cylinder version.. I know lots of "famous competent" lpg shops doing 100 cars daily.. and the number of cars they mess up even with 4 pots ;D ..
those are not usual cars that you can take help from mechanic friends anytime.. not later, sooner murphy rules will be on the job..
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(http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x80/mecdv6/phaeton_zps23bb626e.jpg)
looking at this picture , I cant guess how will be an lpg installation and other parts of the car..
quality comes at a cost.. complexity.. :-X
'gor blimey! What do you do when those chains get noisy? :o Sell it quick, I guess. ::)
Think I'll stick with myY32SE, thanks.
I know.. and its only 6 cylinder version.. I know lots of "famous competent" lpg shops doing 100 cars daily.. and the number of cars they mess up even with 4 pots ;D ..
Yeah, we have "competent" LPG fitters here too, of course. Don't touch them with a bargepole.
However complex an engine looks, it works on simple principles that have been with us for over 100 years. If you can't fit an LPG conversion without wrecking something you're probably best employed somewhere else. ;)
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I do suspect the petrol ecu will be fussy. But while BMW are fussy due to tight parameters, vag seem fussy due to odd parameters from what I've seen on Polo golf passat and Audi a4.
But then this is a class apart from those cars. :-\
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...and I'm suprised to see a balancer shaft on a v6 :-\
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I do suspect the petrol ecu will be fussy. But while BMW are fussy due to tight parameters, vag seem fussy due to odd parameters from what I've seen on Polo golf passat and Audi a4.
But then this is a class apart from those cars. :-\
Tolerances get tighter to meet ever more strict emissions regs.
You just need a more accurate LPG system to go with it, and to set it up accurately rather than run the auto calibration and get it out the door, as most "professionals" no doubt do. ;)
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...and I'm suprised to see a balancer shaft on a v6 :-\
It is a tractor, remember. :y
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...and I'm suprised to see a balancer shaft on a v6 :-\
It is a tractor, remember. :y
Probably rough as a badgers yaris without ;D
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See, where you're all seeing something overly complex, I'm seeing something that's really quite clever in design terms - it keeps the engine compact as the chains all sit within the area of the heads & (very short) engine block and with several short chains rather than one enormous one you probably get a lot less wear on the slippers and less propensity to rattle..
..still not sure I'd want the repair bills, mind ;D but let's face it - Entwood is hardly going to be able to tow the pikey palace with a clit, is he ;)
(Then again, cost of clit vs. cost of land yacht plus pikey palace - you could probably have a lot of hotel time for that.. but let's not get into that argument ;D ;D )
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Well that's that settled :y
VXR8 with Holden Commodore rear lights and bumper to enable fitting of the factory spec 2100kg towbar, which bolts straight on :y
And before anyone says 'type approval', by the time it becomes an issue, the EU will have collapsed :y
Hopefully...
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Well that's that settled :y
VXR8 with Holden Commodore rear lights and bumper to enable fitting of the factory spec 2100kg towbar, which bolts straight on :y
And before anyone says 'type approval', by the time it becomes an issue, the EU will have collapsed :y
Hopefully...
if I were there ,a British made car with relatively cheap parts available anytime and lots of friends knowing about it would be my first choice.. :y
and you have plenty of choices.. why not Jaguar..
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Trouble is, that only leaves the following choices:
Toyota Avensis; Honda Accord and CRV; Nissan Primera, Note and Micra; Vauxhall Astra and Jaguar/Range Rover :'(
All of which are plastic wwd tat, except for the Tata options, but neither are, by their own admission that well built or reliable :-\ besides, the Range Rover is also a bit too 'Cheshire' ::)
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See, where you're all seeing something overly complex, I'm seeing something that's really quite clever in design terms - it keeps the engine compact as the chains all sit within the area of the heads & (very short) engine block and with several short chains rather than one enormous one you probably get a lot less wear on the slippers and less propensity to rattle..
..still not sure I'd want the repair bills, mind ;D but let's face it - Entwood is hardly going to be able to tow the pikey palace with a clit, is he ;)
(Then again, cost of clit vs. cost of land yacht plus pikey palace - you could probably have a lot of hotel time for that.. but let's not get into that argument ;D ;D )
Aaron, discussing about the quality of a luxury car of German engineering is pointless ofcourse..
and no doubt the pikey palace will lift off the clit in any pothole or irragular roadshape ;D remember its 950 kg and with 4 passengers and load maximum 1400-1450 kg.. ;D
ps: did you tried clit 3.0 v6 ::)
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Trouble is, that only leaves the following choices:
Toyota Avensis; Honda Accord and CRV; Nissan Primera, Note and Micra; Vauxhall Astra and Jaguar/Range Rover :'(
All of which are plastic wwd tat, except for the Tata options, but neither are, by their own admission that well built or reliable :-\ besides, the Range Rover is also a bit too 'Cheshire' ::)
whats wrong with Jaguar ???
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/used-cars/jaguar/xj/used-jaguar-xj-4-2-v8-se-4dr-auto-gloucester-fpa-201302115290005?logcode=p (http://www.autotrader.co.uk/used-cars/jaguar/xj/used-jaguar-xj-4-2-v8-se-4dr-auto-gloucester-fpa-201302115290005?logcode=p)
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ps: did you tried clit 3.0 v6 ::)
I would love to have a go in one of those - standard or modified (there's footage of a supercharged version with full clutchless sequential gearbox somewhere!).. two of my favourite cars (of those that I've owned) were my Renault 5 GT Turbo & Renault 19 16V. Admittedly I may have somewhat rose coloured spectacles on when thinking about them as I was only 19 at the time!
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ps: did you tried clit 3.0 v6 ::)
I would love to have a go in one of those - standard or modified (there's footage of a supercharged version with full clutchless sequential gearbox somewhere!).. two of my favourite cars (of those that I've owned) were my Renault 5 GT Turbo & Renault 19 16V. Admittedly I may have somewhat rose coloured spectacles on when thinking about them as I was only 19 at the time!
give me those 3.0s anyday.. but they are very rare and cost a fortune.. :-\
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Trouble is, that only leaves the following choices:
Toyota Avensis; Honda Accord and CRV; Nissan Primera, Note and Micra; Vauxhall Astra and Jaguar/Range Rover :'(
All of which are plastic wwd tat, except for the Tata options, but neither are, by their own admission that well built or reliable :-\ besides, the Range Rover is also a bit too 'Cheshire' ::)
whats wrong with Jaguar ???
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/used-cars/jaguar/xj/used-jaguar-xj-4-2-v8-se-4dr-auto-gloucester-fpa-201302115290005?logcode=p (http://www.autotrader.co.uk/used-cars/jaguar/xj/used-jaguar-xj-4-2-v8-se-4dr-auto-gloucester-fpa-201302115290005?logcode=p)
::)
In that example, it is older than my Omega, has less room in it, is a lower spec, and is a god awful colour...
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...and, most importantly, it's not a vxr8
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...and, most importantly, it's not a vxr8
I would have hoped that much was obvious ;D
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Trouble is, that only leaves the following choices:
Toyota Avensis; Honda Accord and CRV; Nissan Primera, Note and Micra; Vauxhall Astra and Jaguar/Range Rover :'(
All of which are plastic wwd tat, except for the Tata options, but neither are, by their own admission that well built or reliable :-\ besides, the Range Rover is also a bit too 'Cheshire' ::)
whats wrong with Jaguar ???
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/used-cars/jaguar/xj/used-jaguar-xj-4-2-v8-se-4dr-auto-gloucester-fpa-201302115290005?logcode=p (http://www.autotrader.co.uk/used-cars/jaguar/xj/used-jaguar-xj-4-2-v8-se-4dr-auto-gloucester-fpa-201302115290005?logcode=p)
::)
In that example, it is older than my Omega, has less room in it, is a lower spec, and is a god awful colour...
::) ;D I like the color.. very useful for our sun.. and for that price you cant even buy the hood here..
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Trouble is, that only leaves the following choices:
Toyota Avensis; Honda Accord and CRV; Nissan Primera, Note and Micra; Vauxhall Astra and Jaguar/Range Rover :'(
All of which are plastic wwd tat, except for the Tata options, but neither are, by their own admission that well built or reliable :-\ besides, the Range Rover is also a bit too 'Cheshire' ::)
whats wrong with Jaguar ???
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/used-cars/jaguar/xj/used-jaguar-xj-4-2-v8-se-4dr-auto-gloucester-fpa-201302115290005?logcode=p (http://www.autotrader.co.uk/used-cars/jaguar/xj/used-jaguar-xj-4-2-v8-se-4dr-auto-gloucester-fpa-201302115290005?logcode=p)
::)
In that example, it is older than my Omega, has less room in it, is a lower spec, and is a god awful colour...
ie Not white ::)
::) ;D I like the color.. very useful for our sun.. and for that price you cant even buy the hood here..
Parts aren't exactly cheap then ::)
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...and, most importantly, it's not a vxr8
I would have hoped that much was obvious ;D
I would of hoped too tbh :-\
"I want a vxr8/phaeton/Lexus"....or whatever, is not really an open statement ;D ;D
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Some of the "offers" are getting a little outside the parameters ... remember ... 4 door saloon, rear wheel drive (or AWD), minimum weight 2200 Kgs, minimum power ITRO 220 bhp, auto box.
:) :) :)
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Some of the "offers" are getting a little outside the parameters ... remember ... 4 door saloon, rear wheel drive (or AWD), minimum weight 2200 Kgs, minimum power ITRO 220 bhp, auto box.
:) :) :)
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201302045190734/sort/default/usedcars/body-type/saloon/engine-size-cars/2-6l_to_2-9l/model/insignia/make/vauxhall/onesearchad/used/onesearchad/nearlynew/onesearchad/new/postcode/ll669aa/radius/1500/page/1?logcode=p
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Some of the "offers" are getting a little outside the parameters ... remember ... 4 door saloon, rear wheel drive (or AWD), minimum weight 2200 Kgs, minimum power ITRO 220 bhp, auto box.
:) :) :)
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201302045190734/sort/default/usedcars/body-type/saloon/engine-size-cars/2-6l_to_2-9l/model/insignia/make/vauxhall/onesearchad/used/onesearchad/nearlynew/onesearchad/new/postcode/ll669aa/radius/1500/page/1?logcode=p
MMM Insignia .. always thought they looked "small" ... but on that spec sheet they seem reasonable ... :)
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In Estate form perhaps ? Saloon looks a bit gay, I'm told. :-\ ;)
Think I'd rather trust a Phaeton mechanically, than an Insignia in any guise. Tbh.
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The 3.0l V6 tractor is the same lump as used in the VW Touareg and probably has the same reliability as a business colleagues. All I can do is recount his problems and wish you the best of luck on reliability and running costs. :o :o :o :o
He has spent in the last few months £1,200 on new DPF and has now got a common worn / leaking injectors problem and has been quoted a mere £3,200 by his local VAG garage to replace them. :o :o :o :o :o :o
Trying to help him out, the cheapest I could find for geniune Bosch injectors was £295 each, but he has managed to get 6 second hand for £100 each, so still with fitting an £800 repair bill. Suspect it will be HPFP next, but I think he hopes to have got rid of it by then! ::) ::) ::) ::)
Apparently they use Piezo injectors and not solenoid ones and they are not very reliable. Current thoughts are that any fuel contamination damages the ceramic discs within the injectors. Water contamination is meant to be especially bad as this turns to steam through heat and pressure at the injector ceramic discs and shatters them, the particles damage the injectors, the discs don't seal so they leak and the return pipe contains ceramic particles which through the return pipe, end up going through the HPFP to damage that. So you are looking at a an £1,800 plus bill if you source new injectors and change the injectors yourself and probably also looking at needing a new HPFP at £800. >:( >:( >:( >:(
£3,800 buys an LPG kit and an awful lot of LPG! :y :y :y :y
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In Estate form perhaps ? Saloon looks a bit gay, I'm told. :-\ ;)
Think I'd rather trust a Phaeton mechanically, than an Insignia in any guise. Tbh.
Estate is not a patch on the Omega. Does feel quite small on inside. Think Jag XF Estate would be nice, need to wait a while for prices to lower though
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Apparently they use Piezo injectors and not solenoid ones and they are not very reliable. Current thoughts are that any fuel contamination damages the ceramic discs within the injectors. Water contamination is meant to be especially bad as this turns to steam through heat and pressure at the injector ceramic discs and shatters them, the particles damage the injectors, the discs don't seal so they leak and the return pipe contains ceramic particles which through the return pipe, end up going through the HPFP to damage that. So you are looking at a an £1,800 plus bill if you source new injectors and change the injectors yourself and probably also looking at needing a new HPFP at £800. >:( >:( >:( >:(
£3,800 buys an LPG kit and an awful lot of LPG! :y :y :y :y
As do quite a few of the common-rail diesel engines. They're a real PITA and very fragile but I don't buy the contamination stories. We go out to many vehicles with Piezo injectors and once drained and flushed through they perform faultlessly, although who knows if they fail in another 10-100k ::)