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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: TheBoy on 08 March 2013, 21:30:05
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"They're crap"
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As subtle as TB..... :D :D :y
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You won't read that in a tyre review ;D
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You won't read that in a tyre review ;D
For the purpose of making it a proper review, they are 235/40/18 94Y
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Best pop those Irmscher Sportstars off and pop the original 17's back on then :y
(I'll store the 18's for you free of charge, can't say fairer than that!)
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Don't beat about the bush . . . just tell us straight. . . ::)
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i like it mrs TB
just one question Why? ;D
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I just asked her again what she thought of them, as she's been out all day in it. He review has changed, its now "They're shit"
I have asked her what she thinks is wrong with them. "Wandery and scary. I don't feel safe.".
Upon further quizzing, I've translated that into:
Tramlines badly
Lacks grip/consistency/predictability in bends and under braking
I am afraid I am unable to defend those characteristics on these tyres. These characteristics are extreme enough that she noticies, even if she is unable to understand or explain what is wrong.
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If Mrs TB is noticing it then they must be really bad :o :o
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Lazydocker. Pay attention please. They are not "really bad" at all.
If the good lady from Brackley says "They're Shit" then "Shit" they most certainly are. And that's an end to it. ::) ;D
....the "TheBoy" house hold has been spoiled wrotten with Dunlop TT's, giving massive grip, impressive stability compared to any other tyre I've tried, compliant ride, and manage to be quieter than sc3. So I was expecting some serious compromises to be made to find an alternative. I feared there would be some moaning.
But I must say, there's compromises, and then there's sc5 in a whole different other universe. A universe beyond even half worn Falken 912, out past Michelin primacy(?) clown tyres, and beyond. A Universe where no straight lines exist, everything is made of jelly, friction is yet to be invented, and it's as normal to have your front wheels at 90 degrees from the direction of travel as it is straight ahead! Not that it's entirely obvious where straight ahead is of course.
Having driven said inter galactic transportation device, it may seem Mrs TheBoy is a little harsh in her description of these rather crude black circles in each corner of the vehicle. But I can assure anyone reading, she's is in fact being as polite as is humanly possible in such circumstances.
I would like to commend Mrs TheBoy on here restraint and self control regarding this matter. Especially given the poxy things cost best part of 700 fe@kin quid. :o
Ps. All things are relative. ;)
Pps, If nothing else happens regarding these tyres, we MUST make sure we document exactly how bad they are. Relatively speaking of course. ;)
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I would like to add Goodyear Eagle asymmetric 2 to that category. Mine are tramlining and its not the suspension or the setup :-[
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I would like to add Goodyear Eagle asymmetric 2 to that category. Mine are tramlining and its not the suspension or the setup :-[
Oh dear... ISTR quite a few people buying them recently after some good feedback ::)
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ISTR?
Entwood has these tyres and they work for him and chrisgixer approved. Does entwood have the irmsher setup? Mine is standard elite. Grip is good though
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ISTR?
I Seem To Recall
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ISTR?
Entwood has these tyres and they work for him and chrisgixer approved. Does entwood have the irmsher setup? Mine is standard elite. Grip is good though
Entwoods is standard Elite, afaik, just with poly rears, I think. It drives very straight.
What's the exact tyre you have? Size, load, speed rating, and any other info on the sidewall that might be relevant.
What pressure?
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ISTR?
Entwood has these tyres and they work for him and chrisgixer approved. Does entwood have the irmsher setup? Mine is standard elite. Grip is good though
Entwoods is standard Elite, afaik, just with poly rears, I think. It drives very straight.
What's the exact tyre you have? Size, load, speed rating, and any other info on the sidewall that might be relevant.
What pressure?
And how worn are they?
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ISTR?
Entwood has these tyres and they work for him and chrisgixer approved. Does entwood have the irmsher setup? Mine is standard elite. Grip is good though
Entwoods is standard Elite, afaik, just with poly rears, I think. It drives very straight.
What's the exact tyre you have? Size, load, speed rating, and any other info on the sidewall that might be relevant.
What pressure?
And how worn are they?
They are barely a month old, I believe.
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As you know Chris, I have poly rears and lemforder WB so pretty much the same setup
I have 235/45/17 97Y XL
pressure are currently 32psi front, 33 rear
Had 32psi front and 34psi rear (as that is what worked for entails) I found the ride a bit hard. Nearly brand spanking new, month and a half or so
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Web site says 94w in that size for omega. But lets see what Entwood comes back with as to what he has fitted.
Sorry to hear of this though. :(
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ISTR?
Entwood has these tyres and they work for him and chrisgixer approved. Does entwood have the irmsher setup? Mine is standard elite. Grip is good though
Entwoods is standard Elite, afaik, just with poly rears, I think. It drives very straight.
What's the exact tyre you have? Size, load, speed rating, and any other info on the sidewall that might be relevant.
What pressure?
And how worn are they?
They are barely a month old, I believe.
I was referring to the tramlining set ::)
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As Chris says they are a month old.
They are on standard elite 17" wheels. So I believe that is the correct size
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I would like to add Goodyear Eagle asymmetric 2 to that category. Mine are tramlining and its not the suspension or the setup :-[
every tyre can tramline on a "proper" road.. I'm using them , and they gave the grip I need .. if they tramline , I hold the steering stronger and thats it.. and I wont gave up for them for that reason..
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As Chris says they are a month old.
They are on standard elite 17" wheels. So I believe that is the correct size
Ahh... Have you done enough miles to get rid of the release agent? And (without meaning to patronise :-[) have you checked pressures and that they're rotating the correct way?
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In to this late, as only back tonight the Eagles have just done 1129 miles in 3 days ... wether varied between dry and 10 degrees to - 4 degrees over the mountains this morning .. thursday was damp, misty. foggy all the way, today started in damp, went to rain, followed by snow (settling as slush) to more rain then eventually it dried up around Birmingham ... :( I've refilled the screen washer bottle twice, and it started full !!! Car is filthy .. :(
Tyres have not given any problems, no tramlining - pressures set at 34 front 38 rear - slightly higher than normal as 3 adults + kit and averaging around 75 ish for hours at a time ...
Don't know if its a mixture of the tyres/polybushes, but road noise is slightly higher than the old tyres, ride is certainly a little firmer .. no bad thing as my daughter used to feel ill and the "wallowy" back was thought to be the cause .. no problems this time round.
Certainly happy with the eagles :)
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Hi Entwood , if you get a minute, can you post tyre size, load and speed rating for us...?
Or did I ask you this once before? Forgive my poor memory if so. :-[
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I have done 500+ miles on them. Pressures were checked last weekend and they were ok. Will check them tomorrow. Tony suggested I drop the pressure on the fronts slightly so will try that but TBH they already look under inflated at 32psi
I will post that info tomorrow Chris
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for those interested, just put tyre "name, model and tramline" word and google it..
for every tyre you may find an owner talking about tramlining.. ;D
but high performance tyres "interestingly" without exception.. ;)
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Hi Entwood , if you get a minute, can you post tyre size, load and speed rating for us...?
Or did I ask you this once before? Forgive my poor memory if so. :-[
Tomorrow do ?? can't be arsed to go out and wave a torch around ... I'm having a beer .... :)
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i used coopers on my mig never had a problem and im not the slowest driver around
and the roads around dartmoor arnt the best in britton ask plymian
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I have done 500+ miles on them. Pressures were checked last weekend and they were ok. Will check them tomorrow. Tony suggested I drop the pressure on the fronts slightly so will try that but TBH they already look under inflated at 32psi
I will post that info tomorrow Chris
Depends on the tyre, as to what I'd run, but 32 front and rear is standard pressure. But on other tyres i've run as low as 28psi, and as high as 36psi for an uploaded car.
97 load rating is quite high, and Extra load (XL) gives the side wall further stiffness. There are theory's on XL tyres tram lining more. But that's a pointless discussion as it won't help you now. But I think Tony is implying the stiffer side wall of the 97 XL might benefit from less pressure to give the sidewall a chance to flex, and in theory, transmit less road imperfections through the sidewall to the rim.
It's certainly worth playing with. Pump up to say 36psi, then drive it. Release 1psi at a time and drive it each time pressure is changed, until you find the best setting.
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Hi Entwood , if you get a minute, can you post tyre size, load and speed rating for us...?
Or did I ask you this once before? Forgive my poor memory if so. :-[
Tomorrow do ?? can't be arsed to go out and wave a torch around ... I'm having a beer .... :)
Too right. :)
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for those interested, just put tyre "name, model and tramline" word and google it..
for every tyre you may find an owner talking about tramlining.. ;D
but high performance tyres "interestingly" without exception.. ;)
I do hope your not finding SMD's and TheBoys problems with tramlining amusing cem.
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for those interested, just put tyre "name, model and tramline" word and google it..
for every tyre you may find an owner talking about tramlining.. ;D
but high performance tyres "interestingly" without exception.. ;)
I do hope your not finding SMD's and TheBoys problems with tramlining amusing cem.
all wide tyres tramline less or more.. full stop.. and if you expect something different , you will be dissappointed..
and I think you are playing for the tribunes again Chris..
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for those interested, just put tyre "name, model and tramline" word and google it..
for every tyre you may find an owner talking about tramlining.. ;D
but high performance tyres "interestingly" without exception.. ;)
I do hope your not finding SMD's and TheBoys problems with tramlining amusing cem.
all wide tyres tramline less or more.. full stop.. and if you expect something different , you will be dissappointed..
and I think you are playing for the tribunes again Chris..
Your wrong! It is becoming increasingly difficult, granted, with the new eu batch of tyres it seems, but I don't understand why you continually disappear off to google for any old 'dangle berries' on the Internet that suits your miss guided arguments based on zero common sense and experience. The relevant experience is here, on this forum, first hand, on the relevant vehicle.
Your attitude is unhelpfuly sarcastic and miss guided. Rule no1 in life, if you have nothing to say, say nothing, and cirtainly don't run off to google quoting urban myths and rubbish to other members here. We have enough of those already, and dis proving them is expensive.
However if you have first hand experience, great. We're all ears cem. :y
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Sc3 mo
Sport maxx TT
Eagle f1
No tram lining. Proved by members here. However we do need to understand what the issue is with SMD's car. Suspect the devil is in the detail ie load ratings.
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for those interested, just put tyre "name, model and tramline" word and google it..
for every tyre you may find an owner talking about tramlining.. ;D
but high performance tyres "interestingly" without exception.. ;)
I do hope your not finding SMD's and TheBoys problems with tramlining amusing cem.
all wide tyres tramline less or more.. full stop.. and if you expect something different , you will be dissappointed..
and I think you are playing for the tribunes again Chris..
I'm guessing you have never tried Sport Maxx TT on your Omega cem? On a properly set up chassis, pumped to around 30-32 psi, then you will get an idea of stability. And grip, as it happens, as well. And this remains like this from new, all the way to well beyond the legal limit in the UK (1.6mm), come rain or shine. In fact the first thing that alerted me to how worn they were was a high speed rear end aquaplane moment on one of the negative camber sweepers on the A43 about 7 miles from here on Christmas Eve (boy, was it raining).
Or Dunlop Sport 9000. Again, stable until about 3mm (then they absolutely fall off a cliff - more than once I've though something had broken).
Or Conti SC2/3 (generic). I always felt the SC2 had more grip than SC3, so after 1 set of SC3s, always shyed away from them.
As to holding the wheel tighter, thats ridiculous, and shows a lack of understanding of what the problem is. You need to feed in corrections to make the car go straight. If you rigidly held it in one place on a straight piece of road, you'd soon be off the black stuff.
Driving on the motorway (UK motorways have quite wide lanes), you daren't do more than a very quick glance in the mirrors, as you need to be looking at keeping the car in your lane.
Moderate braking, you need room, as the front of the car will squirm violently left to right. In the dry, you can hear the tyres fighting for grip as it does so.
All of this proved to be tyres. 100%. The advantage of 2 Omegas is I can swap wheels, and see where the fault moves.
SC5s are unsuitable for the Omega
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Sc3 mo
Sport maxx TT
Eagle f1
Runway Enduro 916+ (inspite of tyre pressures being a bit high, 44/51 :o and the car less than perfectly set up. Pressures reduced to 34/40 and still no tramlining :y)
No tram lining. Proved by members here. However we do need to understand what the issue is with SMD's car. Suspect the devil is in the detail ie load ratings.
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SMD - can you do me a favour, and run your tyres are 28psi all round for 2 or 3 days, and report back. I know others are saying go harder, however, I have a contradictory theory.
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Apologies, cem, sounded like I was having a rant at you. Not my intention, although an element of frustration was creeping in :-[
Can you help your fellow OOFers by stating what tyres you have tried on your Omega, what the geo settings are for your car, and what you honestly thought of those tyres?
I think that would be infinately more useful to your fellow OOFers than reposting irrelevent reviews :y
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I think a rant at cem is entirely reasonable frankly! Especially given his recommendations here, at £700 a pop. >:(
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for those interested, just put tyre "name, model and tramline" word and google it..
for every tyre you may find an owner talking about tramlining.. ;D
but high performance tyres "interestingly" without exception.. ;)
I do hope your not finding SMD's and TheBoys problems with tramlining amusing cem.
all wide tyres tramline less or more.. full stop.. and if you expect something different , you will be dissappointed..
and I think you are playing for the tribunes again Chris..
Your wrong! It is becoming increasingly difficult, granted, with the new eu batch of tyres it seems, but I don't understand why you continually disappear off to google for any old 'dangle berries'
Chris you are making us busy with your dangle berries.. >:(
on the Internet that suits your miss guided arguments based on zero common sense and experience.
My arguments are correct , based on first hand experience on many tyres that you may never experience in your whole life.. ::)
The relevant experience is here, on this forum, first hand, on the relevant vehicle.
Your attitude is unhelpfuly sarcastic and miss guided.
its valid for yours not mine.. and whatever the subject you want to have the last word.. but no worries I have no intention to make dangle berries race with you..
Rule no1 in life, if you have nothing to say, say nothing, and cirtainly don't run off to google quoting urban myths and rubbish to other members here.
really ? ;D you are unaware of basic physics rules.. and claiming the same bollix again and again >:(
We have enough of those already, and dis proving them is expensive.
However if you have first hand experience, great. We're all ears cem. :y
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for those interested, just put tyre "name, model and tramline" word and google it..
for every tyre you may find an owner talking about tramlining.. ;D
but high performance tyres "interestingly" without exception.. ;)
I do hope your not finding SMD's and TheBoys problems with tramlining amusing cem.
all wide tyres tramline less or more.. full stop.. and if you expect something different , you will be dissappointed..
and I think you are playing for the tribunes again Chris..
I'm guessing you have never tried Sport Maxx TT on your Omega cem? On a properly set up chassis, pumped to around 30-32 psi, then you will get an idea of stability. And grip, as it happens, as well. And this remains like this from new, all the way to well beyond the legal limit in the UK (1.6mm), come rain or shine. In fact the first thing that alerted me to how worn they were was a high speed rear end aquaplane moment on one of the negative camber sweepers on the A43 about 7 miles from here on Christmas Eve (boy, was it raining).
Or Dunlop Sport 9000. Again, stable until about 3mm (then they absolutely fall off a cliff - more than once I've though something had broken).
Or Conti SC2/3 (generic). I always felt the SC2 had more grip than SC3, so after 1 set of SC3s, always shyed away from them.
As to holding the wheel tighter, thats ridiculous, and shows a lack of understanding of what the problem is. You need to feed in corrections to make the car go straight. If you rigidly held it in one place on a straight piece of road, you'd soon be off the black stuff.
Driving on the motorway (UK motorways have quite wide lanes), you daren't do more than a very quick glance in the mirrors, as you need to be looking at keeping the car in your lane.
Moderate braking, you need room, as the front of the car will squirm violently left to right. In the dry, you can hear the tyres fighting for grip as it does so.
All of this proved to be tyres. 100%. The advantage of 2 Omegas is I can swap wheels, and see where the fault moves.
SC5s are unsuitable for the Omega
you are claiming that dunlops dont/wont tramline ???
well, go on ::)
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all tyres will tramline.. if you dont accept this fact, there is nothing to discuss..
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Ahhh tyres. Unless I get 30k out of them I'm not happy ::) ;D
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SMD - can you do me a favour, and run your tyres are 28psi all round for 2 or 3 days, and report back. I know others are saying go harder, however, I have a contradictory theory.
I can do this, no problem but tomorrow my boot will be fully loaded so would that have a negative impact on handling with lower pressures?
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you are claiming that dunlops dont/wont tramline ???
well, go on ::)
To be 100% clear on this, I am claiming that Dunlop Sport Maxx TT on any properly set up Omega I have put them on, have so little tendency to wander offline, you can effectively say they do not tramline.
They will steer away from camber, and will follow ruts. But on normal roads, no tramline. None. Zilch.
Anyone who has driven my car (thats a fair few members) can verify.
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SMD - can you do me a favour, and run your tyres are 28psi all round for 2 or 3 days, and report back. I know others are saying go harder, however, I have a contradictory theory.
I can do this, no problem but tomorrow my boot will be fully loaded so would that have a negative impact on handling with lower pressures?
Probably. Leave it as-is for a day or 2 until you can test with the car as you "normally" use it :y
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for those interested, just put tyre "name, model and tramline" word and google it..
for every tyre you may find an owner talking about tramlining.. ;D
but high performance tyres "interestingly" without exception.. ;)
I do hope your not finding SMD's and TheBoys problems with tramlining amusing cem.
all wide tyres tramline less or more.. full stop.. and if you expect something different , you will be dissappointed..
and I think you are playing for the tribunes again Chris..
I'm guessing you have never tried Sport Maxx TT on your Omega cem? On a properly set up chassis, pumped to around 30-32 psi, then you will get an idea of stability. And grip, as it happens, as well. And this remains like this from new, all the way to well beyond the legal limit in the UK (1.6mm), come rain or shine. In fact the first thing that alerted me to how worn they were was a high speed rear end aquaplane moment on one of the negative camber sweepers on the A43 about 7 miles from here on Christmas Eve (boy, was it raining).
Or Dunlop Sport 9000. Again, stable until about 3mm (then they absolutely fall off a cliff - more than once I've though something had broken).
Or Conti SC2/3 (generic). I always felt the SC2 had more grip than SC3, so after 1 set of SC3s, always shyed away from them.
As to holding the wheel tighter, thats ridiculous, and shows a lack of understanding of what the problem is. You need to feed in corrections to make the car go straight. If you rigidly held it in one place on a straight piece of road, you'd soon be off the black stuff.
Driving on the motorway (UK motorways have quite wide lanes), you daren't do more than a very quick glance in the mirrors, as you need to be looking at keeping the car in your lane.
Moderate braking, you need room, as the front of the car will squirm violently left to right. In the dry, you can hear the tyres fighting for grip as it does so.
All of this proved to be tyres. 100%. The advantage of 2 Omegas is I can swap wheels, and see where the fault moves.
SC5s are unsuitable for the Omega
you are claiming that dunlops dont/wont tramline ???
well, go on ::)
I am claiming they don't tram line as well. Why? Because they don't. I've driven it. You have no experience of this tyre on this car. You have not driven it. You have not driven this car on sc5 either I have. Sc5 tram line terribly... Yet your right and everyone else is wrong. Utterly idiotic.
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I'm pretty sure in saying, the Omega is the only car I've ever owned (and I've had a fair few over the years) that tramlined.
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I think a rant at cem is entirely reasonable frankly!
No its not :-[
Its not really in the spirit of the forum.
I understand your frustration in a member giving out what is, based on our own personal experiences, "bad advice", and that some members should follow this advice and spend an awful lot of money for something that doesn't work well.
But the solution to that is to point out the flaw in what they are saying, and encourage them to understand why. Not to come across as an aggressive keyboard warrior, and end up in stand-off arguments that will never end. I would hassen to add that I'm not perfect in this respect :-[. Far from.
Please ;)
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I'm pretty sure in saying, the Omega is the only car I've ever owned (and I've had a fair few over the years) that tramlined.
Whilst I've had others than had, I've got to say some Omegas are really prone. Not sure if thats due to weight, design, age (although virtually all bushes on mine are new, poly'd or proven good).
If we could understand why....
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I'm pretty sure in saying, the Omega is the only car I've ever owned (and I've had a fair few over the years) that tramlined.
Whilst I've had others than had, I've got to say some Omegas are really prone. Not sure if thats due to weight, design, age (although virtually all bushes on mine are new, poly'd or proven good).
If we could understand why....
When I use to run the Omega on Michelins, I never seemed to have a problem with tramlining.
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I'm pretty sure in saying, the Omega is the only car I've ever owned (and I've had a fair few over the years) that tramlined.
Whilst I've had others than had, I've got to say some Omegas are really prone. Not sure if thats due to weight, design, age (although virtually all bushes on mine are new, poly'd or proven good).
If we could understand why....
When I use to run the Omega on Michelins, I never seemed to have a problem with tramlining.
Can you remember which Michelin? My Michelin Pilot Sport 2 that TBE had when I bought it were not too bad (until I turned them into motorcycle clown tyres), just had no grip.
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I'm pretty sure in saying, the Omega is the only car I've ever owned (and I've had a fair few over the years) that tramlined.
Whilst I've had others than had, I've got to say some Omegas are really prone. Not sure if thats due to weight, design, age (although virtually all bushes on mine are new, poly'd or proven good).
If we could understand why....
When I use to run the Omega on Michelins, I never seemed to have a problem with tramlining.
Can you remember which Michelin? My Michelin Pilot Sport 2 that TBE had when I bought it were not too bad (until I turned them into motorcycle clown tyres), just had no grip.
I know they were pilot's, can't remember if they were sport 2's :-\
Never had a problem with grip, but then I don't drive like you thank god.
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I'm pretty sure in saying, the Omega is the only car I've ever owned (and I've had a fair few over the years) that tramlined.
Whilst I've had others than had, I've got to say some Omegas are really prone. Not sure if thats due to weight, design, age (although virtually all bushes on mine are new, poly'd or proven good).
If we could understand why....
What about top mounts?
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Hi Entwood , if you get a minute, can you post tyre size, load and speed rating for us...?
Or did I ask you this once before? Forgive my poor memory if so. :-[
Tomorrow do ?? can't be arsed to go out and wave a torch around ... I'm having a beer .... :)
Too right. :)
As requested :)
Eagle F1 Asymmetric 2
235/45R17 97 Y
Extra Load - max load 730 Kg
Plies : Sidewall 1 x Polyester, Tread 1XPolyester, 2X Steel, 1X Polyamide
Treadwear 300, Traction AA, Temp A
:)
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Hi Entwood , if you get a minute, can you post tyre size, load and speed rating for us...?
Or did I ask you this once before? Forgive my poor memory if so. :-[
Tomorrow do ?? can't be arsed to go out and wave a torch around ... I'm having a beer .... :)
Too right. :)
As requested :)
Eagle F1 Asymmetric 2
235/45R17 97 Y
Extra Load - max load 730 Kg
Plies : Sidewall 1 x Polyester, Tread 1XPolyester, 2X Steel, 1X Polyamide
Treadwear 300, Traction AA, Temp A
:)
Thanks Entwood. :y
SMD can you check yours are the same with all those details?
If they are the same, we need to get the car back here again and have another look.
Maybe swap some wheels on to your car from mine and see how yours responds. We will need all day. I want to see what going on. If that's ok?
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Also, can you confirm tyre pressure gauge is accurate? :)
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I'm pretty sure in saying, the Omega is the only car I've ever owned (and I've had a fair few over the years) that tramlined.
Whilst I've had others than had, I've got to say some Omegas are really prone. Not sure if thats due to weight, design, age (although virtually all bushes on mine are new, poly'd or proven good).
If we could understand why....
When I use to run the Omega on Michelins, I never seemed to have a problem with tramlining.
after some xxx miles depending on your driving style, they will be worn out .. may be not everywhere but will tramline on some roads ..
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you are claiming that dunlops dont/wont tramline ???
well, go on ::)
To be 100% clear on this, I am claiming that Dunlop Sport Maxx TT on any properly set up Omega I have put them on, have so little tendency to wander offline, you can effectively say they do not tramline.
They will steer away from camber, and will follow ruts. But on normal roads, no tramline. None. Zilch.
Anyone who has driven my car (thats a fair few members) can verify.
dont say I'm picky but even you admit it.. besides, what keeps you on the road and alive will cause tramlining.. live with it :) :y
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and plus, if I were you I would contact continental as a buyer and tell my problem and challenge them..
if tyres were faulty they must pay back, if not they have to find a fault either in car or tyre..
but continental is a serious firm and chances are less to build a crap tyre after a succfessful one.. may be there is a problem in tyre wall,tyre size or speed rating selection.. and yes it tramlines but its a winner..
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Urm. Playground fighting again.
My tyres are better than yours, na na na.
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Sidewall info:
Eagle F1 Asymmetric 2
235/45R17 97 Y
Extra Load - max load 730 Kg
Plies : Sidewall 1 x Polyester, Tread 1 x Polyester, 2 x Steel, 1 x Polyamide
Same as Entwoods.
Didnt get the treadwear info, (forgot, will post laster if req.)
This is what I use for my tyres: http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/accessories-tyres/42493/michelin-twin-barrel-footpump Bought two years ago, well looked after and never dropped. So gauge (I hope) is still accurate but can't confirm.
I would be happy to bring it down for testing for first I must fix the oil leak on the sump.
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Personally, I never trust anything other than a dedicated tyres pressure gauge.
Something like this
http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_storeId_10001_catalogId_10151_productId_394107_langId_-1_categoryId_165547
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Maybe double check your tyre pressure against a garage forecourt pump. See if its the same.
I don't trust forecourt pumps either, but its a cheap point of reference.
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This is the one I have, btw. Just as an example. As it says there is no BAR scale, which can be a pain on other marques that insist on using BAR. But not an issue on Vauxhalls though.
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/accessories-tyres/41961/halfords-digital-tyre-pressure-gauge
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I think a rant at cem is entirely reasonable frankly!
No its not :-[
Its not really in the spirit of the forum.
I understand your frustration in a member giving out what is, based on our own personal experiences, "bad advice", and that some members should follow this advice and spend an awful lot of money for something that doesn't work well.
But the solution to that is to point out the flaw in what they are saying, and encourage them to understand why. Not to come across as an aggressive keyboard warrior, and end up in stand-off arguments that will never end. I would hassen to add that I'm not perfect in this respect :-[. Far from.
Please ;)
J, if your asking me to accept an equivalent example of somebody telling me night is day, black is white, and straight is a curve, then sorry, that just ain't going to happen.
There's only so many times " black is black and not white " can be explained. If individuals choose to deliberately disrupt a factual fault finding process we are all faced with, for a common good of all concerned, and that's continually accepted as reasonable, EVERY SINGLE TIME the issue is raised, then we are buggered. Well and truly.
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Would it be feasible to have Entwoods cars measured, then set SMDs to the exact same settings to see if the problem continues :-\
If it doesn't solve anything, then the issue is a characteristic of an individual car which may prove impossible to solve. If the issue does go away, then perhaps Entwoods settings could be used as THE definitive settings for that suspension set up/tyre combination :-\
Not sure if allowance needs to be, or indeed can be, made for the extra weight of the lpg tank? The extra weight effectively shifts the centre of gravity rearward, which could have an impact on the thrust angle (2woody or Marksdtm may be able to answer that point), and would also make the front end lighter, which may be enough to keep Entwoods car from tramlining...
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Urm. Playground fighting again.
My tyres are better than yours, na na na.
and plus, if I were you I would contact continental as a buyer and tell my problem and challenge them..
if tyres were faulty they must pay back, if not they have to find a fault either in car or tyre..
but continental is a serious firm and chances are less to build a crap tyre after a succfessful one.. may be there is a problem in tyre wall,tyre size or speed rating selection.. and yes it tramlines but its a winner..
Cem,
Having found the Continental to be unsuitable for the Omega, based on its use on two completely different cars, with completely different set ups, the discussion has moved on to trying to explain why two apparently identical cars behave differently with the same Goodyear tyre fitted ::)
No tyre test in the world is going to explain that, ever. What is needed here is an application of thought as to what could possibly affect vehicle/steering behaviour beyond the tyres themselves.
Personally I refuse to buy into the 'wider tyre causes tramlining' arguement, because from my own actual experience, my car doesn't tramline any more or less on 225, 235 and 245 width tyres of the same brand, model and structure. This also suggests the the problem with SMDs car lies elsewhere...
Do both cars have the same wheels fitted, with the same offset ie 7J x 17" ET33 :-\
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Urm. Playground fighting again.
My tyres are better than yours, na na na.
and plus, if I were you I would contact continental as a buyer and tell my problem and challenge them..
if tyres were faulty they must pay back, if not they have to find a fault either in car or tyre..
but continental is a serious firm and chances are less to build a crap tyre after a succfessful one.. may be there is a problem in tyre wall,tyre size or speed rating selection.. and yes it tramlines but its a winner..
Cem,
Having found the Continental to be unsuitable for the Omega, based on its use on two completely different cars, with completely different set ups, the discussion has moved on to trying to explain why two apparently identical cars behave differently with the same Goodyear tyre fitted ::)
No tyre test in the world is going to explain that, ever. What is needed here is an application of thought as to what could possibly affect vehicle/steering behaviour beyond the tyres themselves.
Personally I refuse to buy into the 'wider tyre causes tramlining' arguement, because from my own actual experience, my car doesn't tramline any more or less on 225, 235 and 245 width tyres of the same brand, model and structure. This also suggests the the problem with SMDs car lies elsewhere...
Do both cars have the same wheels fitted, with the same offset ie 7J x 17" ET33 :-\
I have driven on may contis (including the eco models) on many cars with various sizes.. never ever seen an owner finding them insufficient or unsuitable for a specific car.. so you have to shoot me to convince.. :)
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I think a rant at cem is entirely reasonable frankly!
No its not :-[
Its not really in the spirit of the forum.
I understand your frustration in a member giving out what is, based on our own personal experiences, "bad advice", and that some members should follow this advice and spend an awful lot of money for something that doesn't work well.
But the solution to that is to point out the flaw in what they are saying, and encourage them to understand why. Not to come across as an aggressive keyboard warrior, and end up in stand-off arguments that will never end. I would hassen to add that I'm not perfect in this respect :-[. Far from.
Please ;)
J, if your asking me to accept an equivalent example of somebody telling me night is day, black is white, and straight is a curve, then sorry, that just ain't going to happen.
There's only so many times " black is black and not white " can be explained. If individuals choose to deliberately disrupt a factual fault finding process we are all faced with, for a common good of all concerned, and that's continually accepted as reasonable, EVERY SINGLE TIME the issue is raised, then we are buggered. Well and truly.
I wonder if something is being lost in translation :-\ I mean, Americans, Austrailians and Canadians all speak english, so we can all communicate, but different words imply different things.
Eg 'I wear red pants' makes perfect sense (and might explain alot ;D), but means different things depending on where you say it, and to whom :y
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Once again Cem, you have completely missed the point.
We don't care how good or bad Continenal tyres in general are. The Skoda Superbs at work have them fitted, and they're not great tbh. People here have wasted good hard earned money buying SC5s that have fallen short of expectations.
The issue is now trying to explain why two completely different cars behave completely differently using the EXACT SAME TYRE ::)
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question : what was the original tyre size choosen by factory when the car was initally made ? 205/65 -15
question : in later years does the front drive train setup change with newer models ? NO
question : will the omega tramline on Contis with that size ? hardly..
if you go for larger sizes, even if same size with later models , you are on your own..
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Once again Cem, you have completely missed the point.
We don't care how good or bad Continenal tyres in general are. The Skoda Superbs at work have them fitted, and they're not great tbh. People here have wasted good hard earned money buying SC5s that have fallen short of expectations.
The issue is now trying to explain why two completely different cars behave completely differently using the EXACT SAME TYRE ::)
Just give up... He's either deliberately pushing buttons or never going to put his hands up and admit that he and google have been wrong. We all know they're shit ;)
As to what this has moved on to... There has to be a difference in set up that explains this, cannot be anything else apart from inconsistencies in the manufacture process. I wonder how different they are in (actual, not fitted) age? :-\ :-\
Only other thing I can think of is the interesting thread on tyre markings that came up recently :-\ :-\
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question : what was the original tyre size choosen by factory when the car was initally made ? 205/65 -15
question : in later years does the front drive train setup change with newer models ? NO
question : will the omega tramline on Contis with that size ? hardly..
if you go for larger sizes, even if same size with later models , you are on your own..
But the sizes fitted are factory sizes, if you opt for Irmscher Sport Stars from new ::) ::)
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Once again Cem, you have completely missed the point.
We don't care how good or bad Continenal tyres in general are. The Skoda Superbs at work have them fitted, and they're not great tbh. People here have wasted good hard earned money buying SC5s that have fallen short of expectations.
The issue is now trying to explain why two completely different cars behave completely differently using the EXACT SAME TYRE ::)
have you ever seen my advice to buy conti to any member in OOF ?
have you seen me buying conti for my cars ?
yes I bought them for some friends who dont care about price.. and never seen someone complain about it..
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question : what was the original tyre size choosen by factory when the car was initally made ? 205/65 -15
question : in later years does the front drive train setup change with newer models ? NO
question : will the omega tramline on Contis with that size ? hardly..
if you go for larger sizes, even if same size with later models , you are on your own..
But the sizes fitted are factory sizes, if you opt for Irmscher Sport Stars from new ::) ::)
thats an aftermarket item ;)
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question : what was the original tyre size choosen by factory when the car was initally made ? 205/65 -15
question : in later years does the front drive train setup change with newer models ? NO
question : will the omega tramline on Contis with that size ? hardly..
if you go for larger sizes, even if same size with later models , you are on your own..
But the sizes fitted are factory sizes, if you opt for Irmscher Sport Stars from new ::) ::)
thats an aftermarket item ;)
That could be ordered for dealer fitting to brand new cars before delivery, therefore and approved option for the Omega ;)
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Urm. Playground fighting again.
My tyres are better than yours, na na na.
and plus, if I were you I would contact continental as a buyer and tell my problem and challenge them..
if tyres were faulty they must pay back, if not they have to find a fault either in car or tyre..
but continental is a serious firm and chances are less to build a crap tyre after a succfessful one.. may be there is a problem in tyre wall,tyre size or speed rating selection.. and yes it tramlines but its a winner..
Cem,
Having found the Continental to be unsuitable for the Omega, based on its use on two completely different cars, with completely different set ups, the discussion has moved on to trying to explain why two apparently identical cars behave differently with the same Goodyear tyre fitted ::)
No tyre test in the world is going to explain that, ever. What is needed here is an application of thought as to what could possibly affect vehicle/steering behaviour beyond the tyres themselves.
Personally I refuse to buy into the 'wider tyre causes tramlining' arguement, because from my own actual experience, my car doesn't tramline any more or less on 225, 235 and 245 width tyres of the same brand, model and structure. This also suggests the the problem with SMDs car lies elsewhere...
Do both cars have the same wheels fitted, with the same offset ie 7J x 17" ET33 :-\
I have driven on may contis (including the eco models) on many cars with various sizes.. never ever seen an owner finding them insufficient or unsuitable for a specific car.. so you have to shoot me to convince.. :)
Your basically referring to us all as liers cem. With no experience on what we are seeing with our own eyes.
Half a dozen members are saying "A" to be true. And without testing A, seeing A, touching A, or encountering anything at all to do with A, your telling us by the power of google, that we are not experiencing A at all. But it is in fact "Z" according to you. Ok, if you have experience "A" in any way, then great. But you don't.
Iirc from previous threads, you've told us that sc5 is an excellent tyre, yet we've now disproved that with first hand experience. Now your telling us that not only do sc5 tram line, something that we expressly try to avoid on the omega, but all tyres tram line no matter what. Nobody is that stupid, so I can only assume its deliberate. Undermining in gen chat is one thing, but undermining technical issues on members cars is something else completely. THAT is against OOF foundations and why we are all here.
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Once again Cem, you have completely missed the point.
We don't care how good or bad Continenal tyres in general are. The Skoda Superbs at work have them fitted, and they're not great tbh. People here have wasted good hard earned money buying SC5s that have fallen short of expectations.
The issue is now trying to explain why two completely different cars behave completely differently using the EXACT SAME TYRE ::)
have you ever seen my advice to buy conti to any member in OOF ?
have you seen me buying conti for my cars ?
yes I bought them for some friends who dont care about price.. and never seen someone complain about it..
Perhaps they don't want to offend you.
question : what was the original tyre size choosen by factory when the car was initally made ? 205/65 -15
question : in later years does the front drive train setup change with newer models ? NO
question : will the omega tramline on Contis with that size ? hardly..
if you go for larger sizes, even if same size with later models , you are on your own..
But the sizes fitted are factory sizes, if you opt for Irmscher Sport Stars from new ::) ::)
Standard size 17"s on both Entwoods and SMDs, using identical tyres...
So the cause of the problem MUST lie elswhere. The question is where, and I wonder what effect CoG has, given TBs theory on reducing tyre pressure :-\
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I'd still like to see the condition of the top mounts between vehicles... I know they never fail / go soft / crack but.... If everything else chassis based has been replaced / tested etc...
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Irmscher kit, including wheels are designed from the get go to be used on Ope/Vauxhall products.
For them to be available to the factory for fitting to new cars as part of the order/build process, they must be at least equivalent in every way to the parts the factory uses to build all the cars ::)
Hence different wheel widths/diameters and offsets for differing applications :y
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Once again Cem, you have completely missed the point.
We don't care how good or bad Continenal tyres in general are. The Skoda Superbs at work have them fitted, and they're not great tbh. People here have wasted good hard earned money buying SC5s that have fallen short of expectations.
The issue is now trying to explain why two completely different cars behave completely differently using the EXACT SAME TYRE ::)
have you ever seen my advice to buy conti to any member in OOF ?
have you seen me buying conti for my cars ?
yes I bought them for some friends who dont care about price.. and never seen someone complain about it..
Perhaps they don't want to offend you.
I never advice any conti to any oofer here.. if they are in a test I shared, then the info is supplied as is..
plus tests dont include tramlining.. and thats the buyers risk..
question : what was the original tyre size choosen by factory when the car was initally made ? 205/65 -15
question : in later years does the front drive train setup change with newer models ? NO
question : will the omega tramline on Contis with that size ? hardly..
if you go for larger sizes, even if same size with later models , you are on your own..
But the sizes fitted are factory sizes, if you opt for Irmscher Sport Stars from new ::) ::)
Standard size 17"s on both Entwoods and SMDs, using identical tyres...
So the cause of the problem MUST lie elswhere. The question is where, and I wonder what effect CoG has, given TBs theory on reducing tyre pressure :-\
even f1s tramline on some roads with 225/45 17 size .. a tyre with higher size/width will without doubt..
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question : what was the original tyre size choosen by factory when the car was initally made ? 205/65 -15
question : in later years does the front drive train setup change with newer models ? NO
question : will the omega tramline on Contis with that size ? hardly..
if you go for larger sizes, even if same size with later models , you are on your own..
But the sizes fitted are factory sizes, if you opt for Irmscher Sport Stars from new ::) ::)
thats an aftermarket item ;)
Wrong! It's described as factory fit. An option available when purchasing new at a dealer.
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Once again Cem, you have completely missed the point.
We don't care how good or bad Continenal tyres in general are. The Skoda Superbs at work have them fitted, and they're not great tbh. People here have wasted good hard earned money buying SC5s that have fallen short of expectations.
The issue is now trying to explain why two completely different cars behave completely differently using the EXACT SAME TYRE ::)
have you ever seen my advice to buy conti to any member in OOF ?
have you seen me buying conti for my cars ?
yes I bought them for some friends who dont care about price.. and never seen someone complain about it..
Perhaps they don't want to offend you.
I never advice any conti to any oofer here.. if they are in a test I shared, then the info is supplied as is..
plus tests dont include tramlining.. and thats the buyers risk..
question : what was the original tyre size choosen by factory when the car was initally made ? 205/65 -15
question : in later years does the front drive train setup change with newer models ? NO
question : will the omega tramline on Contis with that size ? hardly..
if you go for larger sizes, even if same size with later models , you are on your own..
But the sizes fitted are factory sizes, if you opt for Irmscher Sport Stars from new ::) ::)
Standard size 17"s on both Entwoods and SMDs, using identical tyres...
So the cause of the problem MUST lie elswhere. The question is where, and I wonder what effect CoG has, given TBs theory on reducing tyre pressure :-\
even f1s tramline on some roads with 225/45 17 size .. a tyre with higher size/width will without doubt..
So a non standard, non approved size :-X ::)
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Irmscher kit, including wheels are designed from the get go to be used on Ope/Vauxhall products.
For them to be available to the factory for fitting to new cars as part of the order/build process, they must be at least equivalent in every way to the parts the factory uses to build all the cars ::)
Hence different wheel widths/diameters and offsets for differing applications :y
same bolt size / pattern doesnt guarantee that your front drive train can handle that..
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Once again Cem, you have completely missed the point.
We don't care how good or bad Continenal tyres in general are. The Skoda Superbs at work have them fitted, and they're not great tbh. People here have wasted good hard earned money buying SC5s that have fallen short of expectations.
The issue is now trying to explain why two completely different cars behave completely differently using the EXACT SAME TYRE ::)
have you ever seen my advice to buy conti to any member in OOF ?
have you seen me buying conti for my cars ?
yes I bought them for some friends who dont care about price.. and never seen someone complain about it..
Perhaps they don't want to offend you.
I never advice any conti to any oofer here.. if they are in a test I shared, then the info is supplied as is..
plus tests dont include tramlining.. and thats the buyers risk..
question : what was the original tyre size choosen by factory when the car was initally made ? 205/65 -15
question : in later years does the front drive train setup change with newer models ? NO
question : will the omega tramline on Contis with that size ? hardly..
if you go for larger sizes, even if same size with later models , you are on your own..
But the sizes fitted are factory sizes, if you opt for Irmscher Sport Stars from new ::) ::)
Standard size 17"s on both Entwoods and SMDs, using identical tyres...
So the cause of the problem MUST lie elswhere. The question is where, and I wonder what effect CoG has, given TBs theory on reducing tyre pressure :-\
even f1s tramline on some roads with 225/45 17 size .. a tyre with higher size/width will without doubt..
So a non standard, non approved size :-X ::)
yes.. but with a difference.. I'm not capricous about tramlining and I accept it will :) :y
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Cem, you recommended sc5 to me!
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Was just about to post the same LD. Classic fwd shitbox size ::)
You're right of course Cem, because obviously using spacers to change both the pcd and offset off the wheels on your car won't make the blindest bit of difference to it at all :P, especially if you are running Astra size tyres on it ::)
You find tramlining acceptable? WTF >:( people here quite obviously don't, so please, for the love of God shut up :-X
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Cem, you recommended sc5 to me!
well , if I really did, you deserve the best tyre ;D
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Was just about to post the same LD. Classic fwd shitbox size ::)
You're right of course Cem, because obviously using spacers to change both the pcd and offset off the wheels on your car won't make the blindest bit of difference to it at all :P , especially if you are running Astra size tyres on it ::)
King tard :-X
I'm well pleased with their handling including tramlining.. I hope you will be with your tyres too :)
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So what are the exact differences between Entwoods car and SMDs :-\
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I don't know enough to enter the technical side of the argument ... I've given the specs of the tyres and the pressures I run at - which are varied a lot - I always inflate before towing and deflate for solo, and the "half way" figure I used this week was for a laden car doing a lot of higher speed miles.
Other Info that may, or may not, muddy the waters ..
Petrol tank is usually between 1/2 and full... for this last week it was (and still is :) ) full to brim
LPG tank is an 80 ltr one, so holds 64 litres, is run from full to empty most times
Tyres have now done 2,100 miles
Rear Suspension mounts were poly bushed 1,500 miles ago
Front wishbones 15,000 miles ago
Steering Idler 15,000 miles ago
Droplinks 25,000 miles ago
Front shocks/springs have NOT been touched in the 55,000 miles I've had the car
WIM set up 10,000 miles ago
Previous tyres ... TOYO T1's did NOT tramline at all, excellent grip but obviously made for those with money as they only lasted 10,000 miles ... which is why I didn't go for them again !!
Before them Falken 452's ... wore well, very quiet, but all over the road
Before them Avon ZV5 - hated them. End of. Glad they only lasted 11,000
If any ride heights/measurements are required .. shout out and I'll try my best :)
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Cem, you recommended sc5 to me!
well , if I really did, you deserve the best tyre ;D
Except someone else took the advice.
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Cem, you recommended sc5 to me!
well , if I really did, you deserve the best tyre ;D
Except someone else took the advice.
correct tyre wrong size :-\
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So what are the exact differences between Entwoods car and SMDs :-\
I'm hoping his pressure gauge is wonky.
Could be other faults in the car. Wishbone bush could have failed vary early. Top mounts possible. Loose steering box bolts possible. Play in the box. Could be a number of things, including an oddity with the tyres as well.
I need to drive it myself, then maybe fit my wheels., and see where the fault goes. Swapping wheels is easiest way to discount faults on the car. As we've done before.
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Cem, you recommended sc5 to me!
well , if I really did, you deserve the best tyre ;D
Except someone else took the advice.
correct tyre wrong size :-\
Not with you. :-\
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Cem, you recommended sc5 to me!
well , if I really did, you deserve the best tyre ;D
Except someone else took the advice.
correct tyre wrong size :-\
Not with you. :-\
Neither am I actually... I'm sure that the tests are the benchmark that the advice was given against and they must test all tyres the same size on the same vehicles :-X :-X :-X ::) ::) ::)(http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-violent106.gif) (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)(http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-violent106.gif) (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)(http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-violent106.gif) (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)
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I think some of you must accept the fact that Omega is not designed as a race car and cant handle the huge sizes..
ok.. I give up.. its a truck and you can use any size you wish :P
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With regard to the top mounts, once the top plate is removed the bush itself can be checked for cracking and flex by loading the suspension (sixteen stone kneeling on the front bumper should suffice) and watching to see if it changes visibly.
Another check would be to jack the front end, turn the wheel full lock, then drop the car back down. With the top plates removed, mark a continuous line from the remaining bolt relative to the washer beneath it, the bush rubber and the inner wing. Take a pic for reference and turn the wheel to the opposite lock. The lines on the topmounts should be an arc rather than straight. If the line is broken, then the bush is toast :y
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mmmm had a thought ( worrying I know) ... mine failed its MOT on steering play that i certainly had not noticed build up over time ... and took quite a few adjustments to get correct (as 2woody said it would).
I wonder (?) if SMD has a the same problem and not realised ??
Test is, with engine running, very slowly turn the steering wheel whilst watching the front wheel, as soon as the metal moves (NOT the tyre) hold the steering wheel still and place a small piece of masking tape at the twelve o'clock position; release the wheel back to central; repeat in the other direction. Measure the distance between the pieces of masking tape. The maximum allowed is 75mm or its an MOT fail. I was gobsmacked to find mine was nearer 90mm !!!
Now adjusted to what I'm happy with and the play is 55mm. If you over tighten there is no or insufficient "self centering" to the steering. I set mine "tight" (30mm) for the 2nd MOT and it passed, then slackened it off by 1/8 a turn over a period of time, until I was happy.
More mud ?? or some help ?? no idea .. :(
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I think some of you must accept the fact that Omega is not designed as a race car and cant handle the huge sizes..
ok.. I give up.. its a truck and you can use any size you wish :P
Ignoring hasn't worked >:(
Not a race car, but still can be made to handle tidily for its size. Set up correctly, with suitable components (including proven tyres), it is quite a formidable fast road car :y
By proven, I mean tried and tested on an Omega B and in appropriate sizes, on wheels accepted by the factory as suitable, whether 15"/16"/17 or 18", with acceptable characteristics regarding wear/noise/grip/feedback/tramlining etc :y
Unless you have direct experience under those conditions, it might be prudent to sit back and take notes.
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Has either of the two saloons being compared with the same tyres ever been in a bodyshop as a result of an accident in there history?
Just something to consider as to explain different handling quality.
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That thought crossed my mind as well :-\
But only direct access to the factory build measurements and a decent jig would confirm the effects, if any, of a knock/repair. A car that is used for regular heavy towing might actually be a different shape to one that has never towed.
I suspect the answer to this riddle will either be some obscure little detail, or blindingly obvious :-\
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That thought crossed my mind as well :-\
But only direct access to the factory build measurements and a decent jig would confirm the effects, if any, of a knock/repair. A car that is used for regular heavy towing might actually be a different shape to one that has never towed.
I suspect the answer to this riddle will either be some obscure little detail, or blindingly obvious :-\
I bet Entwoods car is a foot longer, the speed he tows at ::) ;D
But i know where you are all going wrong guys.......my passat doesnt tramline.....and thats got a different make on each corner.....each tyre cancels out any of the other tyres bad characteristics....makes perfect sense to me.....you should try it :y ;D :-X
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Cem, you recommended sc5 to me!
well , if I really did, you deserve the best tyre ;D
Except someone else took the advice.
correct tyre wrong size :-\
Not with you. :-\
Neither am I actually... I'm sure that the tests are the benchmark that the advice was given against and they must test all tyres the same size on the same vehicles :-X :-X :-X ::) ::) ::)(http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-violent106.gif) (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)(http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-violent106.gif) (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)(http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-violent106.gif) (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)
Basic logic. It's dispels the myths and legends.
Wider tyres tram line. NO !
Experience to back this up=conti sc3 mo. 245 wide tyre drives dead straight. 235 wide tyre tram lines needing numerous corrections at the wheel, pulling around on bad surfaces. Conclude, the wider tyre tram lines the least.
Wider tyres might be more likely to tram line, but the width itself is not the cause in itself.
Low profile tyres tram line. NO!
Sc3 mo exact same profile tyres as above, one tram lines, one doesn't. They might be more likely to tram line in a low profile, but the low profile itself is clearly not the cause. Another example, 235 45 17 falkens 912 452 and 451 tram line MORE than the lower profile 40 MO. the wider and lower 245 40 18 doesn't tram line at all.
It's not the size that's the exact cause. Example, sport maxx TT in 235 45 17 tram line less than any other car I've been in.
It's not the tyre wear that causes tram lining as such. Example, half worn FALKEN 912 tram line way way more than completely worn out SP9000. In the same size.
It's not specific to the car either, as the example above. Remove FALKEN 912 from a tram lining car, and fit worn out Dunlop sp9000 or sport maxx gt, and the car drives perfectly straight.
EVERY SINGLE MYTH or "RULE" regarding tram lining has been proved wrong. Except the ones relating to construction. Speed rating, load rating, run flat, non run flat, all have more effect. But I have a theory that, like trouser measurements and shoe sizes, one manufacturers load rating is not the same as another's. construction of the tyre is up to the maker. We'll never know whats in there, but we can keep an eye in how they perform. ;)
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Tramlining - the wider the tyre the greater the tendency to tramline - fact (you seem to contradict yourself above gixer)
But - there are many more tyre "issues" that affect tramlining - pressures (need to use a properly calibrated tyre gauge to test not a Halfords cheapo!!), side wall flexability, rubber composition, ambient temperatures, et alia et alia. . . and last but not least the foibles of the car itself, differences in suspension set up, suspension/steering wear, chassis straightness etc etc. No 2 "identical" cars ever drive the same at "extremes" of performance/handling.
Ever towed a horsebox with 2 large horses in - they move about - and crossplys at higher psi a lot more stable than radials with softer sidewalls - less flexing.
Recognise you have a hell of a lot of variables to understand trying to compare performance of different tyres on different cars using different drivers!! The way to do it is to be scientific (professional not amateur) - as in my days of tyre testing for Dunlop, and among others Eric Broadley's mob, both on the track and on the road.
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and thats got a different make on each corner.....each tyre cancels out any of the other tyres bad characteristics....makes perfect sense to me.....you should try it :y ;D :-X
I have. The very same TBE, on the very same Irmscher Sportstar 18", with a Sunew, Diamondback, Sunny (IIRC) and CEAT (IIRC). A real Heinz 57.
Guess what? NO oppsING TRAMLINING. OK, maybe a hint, but minimal. And better braking distances, esp in dry.
This tramlining is purely down to these tyres. Thats been proven time and time again. The poor braking characteristics have been proven to the tyres. SIZE MAKES opps ALL DIFFERENCE IN THIS TEST, as the previous tyres were the same 235/40/18.
Mrs TB is absolutely correct, Continental SC5 are absolutely shit on the Omega.
She says this from personal experience of driving 2 Omegas with them on. I say this from personal experience of driving 2 Omegas with them on.
The reason I started this thread, apart from her slightly amusing, abrupt review wording, as to demonstrate that if Mrs TB notices it, being more of a girly girl, it must be bad. ie, not a minor complaint.
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Cem, you recommended sc5 to me!
well , if I really did, you deserve the best tyre ;D
Except someone else took the advice.
correct tyre wrong size :-\
Not with you. :-\
Neither am I actually... I'm sure that the tests are the benchmark that the advice was given against and they must test all tyres the same size on the same vehicles :-X :-X :-X ::) ::) ::) (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-violent106.gif) (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)(http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-violent106.gif) (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)(http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-violent106.gif) (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)
Wider tyres tram line. NO !
Low profile tyres tram line. NO!
:o ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
does the rockets fly ? NO
is the earth spherical ? NO ;D
seems like you are re-inventing physics.. the claims you make are only valid on ice :-*
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Tramlining - the wider the tyre the greater the tendency to tramline - fact (you seem to contradict yourself above gixer)
But - there are many more tyre "issues" that affect tramlining - pressures (need to use a properly calibrated tyre gauge to test not a Halfords cheapo!!), side wall flexability, rubber composition, ambient temperatures, et alia et alia. . . and last but not least the foibles of the car itself, differences in suspension set up, suspension/steering wear, chassis straightness etc etc. No 2 "identical" cars ever drive the same at "extremes" of performance/handling.
Ever towed a horsebox with 2 large horses in - they move about - and crossplys at higher psi a lot more stable than radials with softer sidewalls - less flexing.
Recognise you have a hell of a lot of variables to understand trying to compare performance of different tyres on different cars using different drivers!! The way to do it is to be scientific (professional not amateur) - as in my days of tyre testing for Dunlop, and among others Eric Broadley's mob, both on the track and on the road.
;)
dbug - I know from private conversations that you have lots to offer this tyre debate, and I fully understand your reasons for not wishing too.
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I have just mentioned to Mrs TB that her review has caused a bit of a heated debate amongst members.
She says "I'm entitled to my opinion. They're crap. I wouldn't wish them on my worse enemy"
;D
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I think some of you must accept the fact that Omega is not designed as a race car and cant handle the huge sizes..
ok.. I give up.. its a truck and you can use any size you wish :P
Ignoring hasn't worked >:(
Not a race car, but still can be made to handle tidily for its size. Set up correctly, with suitable components (including proven tyres), it is quite a formidable fast road car :y
::) thats really relative to the commenter.. lets say luxury sedan..
By proven, I mean tried and tested on an Omega B and in appropriate sizes, on wheels accepted by the factory as suitable, whether 15"/16"/17 or 18", with acceptable characteristics regarding wear/noise/grip/feedback/tramlining etc :y
Unless you have direct experience under those conditions, it might be prudent to sit back and take notes.
says who.. who recommends a 40th order tyre ;D :y
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Tramlining - the wider the tyre the greater the tendency to tramline - fact (you seem to contradict yourself above gixer)
But - there are many more tyre "issues" that affect tramlining - pressures (need to use a properly calibrated tyre gauge to test not a Halfords cheapo!!), side wall flexability, rubber composition, ambient temperatures, et alia et alia. . . and last but not least the foibles of the car itself, differences in suspension set up, suspension/steering wear, chassis straightness etc etc. No 2 "identical" cars ever drive the same at "extremes" of performance/handling.
Ever towed a horsebox with 2 large horses in - they move about - and crossplys at higher psi a lot more stable than radials with softer sidewalls - less flexing.
Recognise you have a hell of a lot of variables to understand trying to compare performance of different tyres on different cars using different drivers!! The way to do it is to be scientific (professional not amateur) - as in my days of tyre testing for Dunlop, and among others Eric Broadley's mob, both on the track and on the road.
;)
dbug - I know from private conversations that you have lots to offer this tyre debate, and I fully understand your reasons for not wishing too.
;) ;) not being controversial just factual Jaime and will sit back and watch proceedings (unless of course I get slagged off again) - understand your issues with sc5 (obviously not suited to Omegas set up, but may probably work well on other marques else they wouldn't sell ;) ) - but your tramlining would be even wosre with wider sc5s ::)
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Tramlining - the wider the tyre the greater the tendency to tramline - fact (you seem to contradict yourself above gixer)
But - there are many more tyre "issues" that affect tramlining - pressures (need to use a properly calibrated tyre gauge to test not a Halfords cheapo!!), side wall flexability, rubber composition, ambient temperatures, et alia et alia. . . and last but not least the foibles of the car itself, differences in suspension set up, suspension/steering wear, chassis straightness etc etc. No 2 "identical" cars ever drive the same at "extremes" of performance/handling.
Ever towed a horsebox with 2 large horses in - they move about - and crossplys at higher psi a lot more stable than radials with softer sidewalls - less flexing.
Recognise you have a hell of a lot of variables to understand trying to compare performance of different tyres on different cars using different drivers!! The way to do it is to be scientific (professional not amateur) - as in my days of tyre testing for Dunlop, and among others Eric Broadley's mob, both on the track and on the road.
;)
dbug - I know from private conversations that you have lots to offer this tyre debate, and I fully understand your reasons for not wishing too.
;) ;) not being controversial just factual Jaime and will sit back and watch proceedings (unless of course I get slagged off again) - understand your issues with sc5 (obviously not suited to Omegas set up, but may probably work well on other marques else they wouldn't sell ;) ) - but your tramlining would be even wosre with wider sc5s ::)
I think thats the problem with tyres - too many variables. I've said on numerous occasions that I bet SC5s are great on Golfs etc. Just unsuited to Omegas. Unsure why that is so - if we could understand that, then we would be better placed in being able to choose tyres with less risk.
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question : what was the original tyre size choosen by factory when the car was initally made ? 205/65 -15
question : in later years does the front drive train setup change with newer models ? NO
question : will the omega tramline on Contis with that size ? hardly..
if you go for larger sizes, even if same size with later models , you are on your own..
But the sizes fitted are factory sizes, if you opt for Irmscher Sport Stars from new ::) ::)
thats an aftermarket item ;)
That could be ordered for dealer fitting to brand new cars before delivery, therefore and approved option for the Omega ;)
yeah.. you can order aftermarket xenons for ordinary headlights .. and they happily install them while they are illegal for mot ;)
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Tramlining - the wider the tyre the greater the tendency to tramline - fact (you seem to contradict yourself above gixer)
But - there are many more tyre "issues" that affect tramlining - pressures (need to use a properly calibrated tyre gauge to test not a Halfords cheapo!!), side wall flexability, rubber composition, ambient temperatures, et alia et alia. . . and last but not least the foibles of the car itself, differences in suspension set up, suspension/steering wear, chassis straightness etc etc. No 2 "identical" cars ever drive the same at "extremes" of performance/handling.
Ever towed a horsebox with 2 large horses in - they move about - and crossplys at higher psi a lot more stable than radials with softer sidewalls - less flexing.
Recognise you have a hell of a lot of variables to understand trying to compare performance of different tyres on different cars using different drivers!! The way to do it is to be scientific (professional not amateur) - as in my days of tyre testing for Dunlop, and among others Eric Broadley's mob, both on the track and on the road.
;)
dbug - I know from private conversations that you have lots to offer this tyre debate, and I fully understand your reasons for not wishing too.
;) ;) not being controversial just factual Jaime and will sit back and watch proceedings (unless of course I get slagged off again) - understand your issues with sc5 (obviously not suited to Omegas set up, but may probably work well on other marques else they wouldn't sell ;) ) - but your tramlining would be even wosre with wider sc5s ::)
I think thats the problem with tyres - too many variables. I've said on numerous occasions that I bet SC5s are great on Golfs etc. Just unsuited to Omegas. Unsure why that is so - if we could understand that, then we would be better placed in being able to choose tyres with less risk.
contis have very high levels of grip.. you could have used sizes 215/225 50 55 17 with less tramlining.. :-\
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Tramlining - the wider the tyre the greater the tendency to tramline - fact (you seem to contradict yourself above gixer)
But - there are many more tyre "issues" that affect tramlining - pressures (need to use a properly calibrated tyre gauge to test not a Halfords cheapo!!), side wall flexability, rubber composition, ambient temperatures, et alia et alia. . . and last but not least the foibles of the car itself, differences in suspension set up, suspension/steering wear, chassis straightness etc etc. No 2 "identical" cars ever drive the same at "extremes" of performance/handling.
Ever towed a horsebox with 2 large horses in - they move about - and crossplys at higher psi a lot more stable than radials with softer sidewalls - less flexing.
Recognise you have a hell of a lot of variables to understand trying to compare performance of different tyres on different cars using different drivers!! The way to do it is to be scientific (professional not amateur) - as in my days of tyre testing for Dunlop, and among others Eric Broadley's mob, both on the track and on the road.
;)
dbug - I know from private conversations that you have lots to offer this tyre debate, and I fully understand your reasons for not wishing too.
;) ;) not being controversial just factual Jaime and will sit back and watch proceedings (unless of course I get slagged off again) - understand your issues with sc5 (obviously not suited to Omegas set up, but may probably work well on other marques else they wouldn't sell ;) ) - but your tramlining would be even wosre with wider sc5s ::)
I think thats the problem with tyres - too many variables. I've said on numerous occasions that I bet SC5s are great on Golfs etc. Just unsuited to Omegas. Unsure why that is so - if we could understand that, then we would be better placed in being able to choose tyres with less risk.
Think I've said it before - years ago Goodyear G800s worked very well on Cooper Ss, but I had a set on a TR4 (on it when I bought it) and they were lethal. Put XASs on and brilliant handling (ie suited to my driving style which was a little on the quick side), but XASs on Coopers were pretty crap to say the least. Put that down to completely differing suspension set ups on different types of car.
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My old MGZT had 225's on. It would tramline something awful. But it simply refused to let go on the sharpest of bends. They were low profile though.
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contis have very high levels of grip.. you could have used sizes 215/225 50 55 17 with less tramlining.. :-\
No they don't. SC5s have relatively poor levels of grip. Immediately apparent from the journey back from having them fitted. I was hoping it was just the release agent, but its not.
Would we agree that narrower tyres (in wet/dry) conditions have less grip? So you are suggesting a size giving even less grip than what is on there now, currently providing, at best, adequate grip?
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Tramlining - the wider the tyre the greater the tendency to tramline - fact (you seem to contradict yourself above gixer)
But - there are many more tyre "issues" that affect tramlining - pressures (need to use a properly calibrated tyre gauge to test not a Halfords cheapo!!), side wall flexability, rubber composition, ambient temperatures, et alia et alia. . . and last but not least the foibles of the car itself, differences in suspension set up, suspension/steering wear, chassis straightness etc etc. No 2 "identical" cars ever drive the same at "extremes" of performance/handling.
Ever towed a horsebox with 2 large horses in - they move about - and crossplys at higher psi a lot more stable than radials with softer sidewalls - less flexing.
Recognise you have a hell of a lot of variables to understand trying to compare performance of different tyres on different cars using different drivers!! The way to do it is to be scientific (professional not amateur) - as in my days of tyre testing for Dunlop, and among others Eric Broadley's mob, both on the track and on the road.
;)
Well seeing as I'm being slagged off....your wrong! ;D
Falkens aside, I've had more tyres that didn't tram line that did. There's no contradiction. The tyres that didn't tramline are clear. The tendency to tram line on wider lower tyres is accepted, but as you've seen there equally tyres that don't tram line. SIZE IS NOT THE ULTIMATE CAUSE.
I see dbug is also in cem mode. ;D
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Tramlining - the wider the tyre the greater the tendency to tramline - fact (you seem to contradict yourself above gixer)
But - there are many more tyre "issues" that affect tramlining - pressures (need to use a properly calibrated tyre gauge to test not a Halfords cheapo!!), side wall flexability, rubber composition, ambient temperatures, et alia et alia. . . and last but not least the foibles of the car itself, differences in suspension set up, suspension/steering wear, chassis straightness etc etc. No 2 "identical" cars ever drive the same at "extremes" of performance/handling.
Ever towed a horsebox with 2 large horses in - they move about - and crossplys at higher psi a lot more stable than radials with softer sidewalls - less flexing.
Recognise you have a hell of a lot of variables to understand trying to compare performance of different tyres on different cars using different drivers!! The way to do it is to be scientific (professional not amateur) - as in my days of tyre testing for Dunlop, and among others Eric Broadley's mob, both on the track and on the road.
;)
dbug - I know from private conversations that you have lots to offer this tyre debate, and I fully understand your reasons for not wishing too.
;) ;) not being controversial just factual Jaime and will sit back and watch proceedings (unless of course I get slagged off again) - understand your issues with sc5 (obviously not suited to Omegas set up, but may probably work well on other marques else they wouldn't sell ;) ) - but your tramlining would be even wosre with wider sc5s ::)
I think thats the problem with tyres - too many variables. I've said on numerous occasions that I bet SC5s are great on Golfs etc. Just unsuited to Omegas. Unsure why that is so - if we could understand that, then we would be better placed in being able to choose tyres with less risk.
Think I've said it before - years ago Goodyear G800s worked very well on Cooper Ss, but I had a set on a TR4 (on it when I bought it) and they were lethal. Put XASs on and brilliant handling (ie suited to my driving style which was a little on the quick side), but XASs on Coopers were pretty crap to say the least. Put that down to completely differing suspension set ups on different types of car.
Whoops wasn't TR4 was a TR6 PI :-[ Senior moment ::)
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FFS Cem you insist on your point of view being the only one. It isn't.
Yet these reviews you hold so highly are based on tests using different sizes to those fitted to the Omega, and are predominately carried out using front wheel drive cars.
My so called '40th rated tyres' actually hold their own in grand scheme of things. They work in real life on a real car in the actual sizes that were fitted to the Omega as standard
You have also taken my comment about the way the Omega performs completely out of context. Given that it is a two tonne four door saloon, the Omega can be set up in such a way that it can be quite nimble. I have only ever owned 3.2 manual estates with LSDs, which are considerably more performance oriented than the 2.5 ever could be.
Congratulations on once again turning what should have been a sensible conversation into an 'I know best' farce >:(
If your sole reason for this is to wind people up, the well done, because it's worked >:(
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Tramlining - the wider the tyre the greater the tendency to tramline - fact (you seem to contradict yourself above gixer)
But - there are many more tyre "issues" that affect tramlining - pressures (need to use a properly calibrated tyre gauge to test not a Halfords cheapo!!), side wall flexability, rubber composition, ambient temperatures, et alia et alia. . . and last but not least the foibles of the car itself, differences in suspension set up, suspension/steering wear, chassis straightness etc etc. No 2 "identical" cars ever drive the same at "extremes" of performance/handling.
Ever towed a horsebox with 2 large horses in - they move about - and crossplys at higher psi a lot more stable than radials with softer sidewalls - less flexing.
Recognise you have a hell of a lot of variables to understand trying to compare performance of different tyres on different cars using different drivers!! The way to do it is to be scientific (professional not amateur) - as in my days of tyre testing for Dunlop, and among others Eric Broadley's mob, both on the track and on the road.
;)
Well seeing as I'm being slagged off....your wrong! ;D
Falkens aside, I've had more tyres that didn't tram line that did. There's no contradiction. The tyres that didn't tramline are clear. The tendency to tram line on wider lower tyres is accepted, but as you've seen there equally tyres that don't tram line. SIZE IS NOT THE ULTIMATE CAUSE.
I see dbug is also in cem mode. ;D
Why don't you read posts properly before responding? I am talking from a long experience of tyres, their construction and constituent "chemicals", and professional tyre testing. I did not say tyre size is the ultimate cause of tramlining, just a factor, along with a vast number of other factors.
I am not slagging you off - I credited you with more intelligence for you to think that - obviously I was wrong!
Guess I was right to keep my practical experiences re professional tyre testing to myself.
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contis have very high levels of grip.. you could have used sizes 215/225 50 55 17 with less tramlining.. :-\
No they don't. SC5s have relatively poor levels of grip. Immediately apparent from the journey back from having them fitted. I was hoping it was just the release agent, but its not.
Would we agree that narrower tyres (in wet/dry) conditions have less grip? So you are suggesting a size giving even less grip than what is on there now, currently providing, at best, adequate grip?
Ok so basically when GM prescribed specific tyre and wheel combinations, they were wrong :-\
IIRC, F/L sizes are 225/55/16, 235/45/17, 245/40/18, with a couple of acceptable alternatives in 18" :-\
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I think SC5's are a step back from SC3's, and they were a step back from SC2's.
My eldest boys Corsa does not tramline, fact, that's running Uniroyal RainSport 2's 215/45/17, it does not tramline simple as that, and it is possibly the best setup, and one of the best handling cars I've ever driven. My E92 M3 did not tramline at all, that had Michelin Pilot Sports 245/35/19. My 520d tramlines on Goodyear Excellence 225/55/17.
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Tramlining - the wider the tyre the greater the tendency to tramline - fact (you seem to contradict yourself above gixer)
But - there are many more tyre "issues" that affect tramlining - pressures (need to use a properly calibrated tyre gauge to test not a Halfords cheapo!!), side wall flexability, rubber composition, ambient temperatures, et alia et alia. . . and last but not least the foibles of the car itself, differences in suspension set up, suspension/steering wear, chassis straightness etc etc. No 2 "identical" cars ever drive the same at "extremes" of performance/handling.
Ever towed a horsebox with 2 large horses in - they move about - and crossplys at higher psi a lot more stable than radials with softer sidewalls - less flexing.
Recognise you have a hell of a lot of variables to understand trying to compare performance of different tyres on different cars using different drivers!! The way to do it is to be scientific (professional not amateur) - as in my days of tyre testing for Dunlop, and among others Eric Broadley's mob, both on the track and on the road.
;)
Well seeing as I'm being slagged off....your wrong! ;D
Falkens aside, I've had more tyres that didn't tram line that did. There's no contradiction. The tyres that didn't tramline are clear. The tendency to tram line on wider lower tyres is accepted, but as you've seen there equally tyres that don't tram line. SIZE IS NOT THE ULTIMATE CAUSE.
I see dbug is also in cem mode. ;D
Why don't you read posts properly before responding? I am talking from a long experience of tyres, their construction and constituent "chemicals", and professional tyre testing. I did not say tyre size is the ultimate cause of tramlining, just a factor, along with a vast number of other factors.
I am not slagging you off - I credited you with more intelligence for you to think that - obviously I was wrong!
Guess I was right to keep my practical experiences re professional tyre testing to myself.
Precisely! You haven't read mine properly either. You've chosen to be combative. Fine.
Lets start again, IMO, the dynamics involved are not relayed to size. We've disproved that I think you agree?
So, by default, we need to disprove the next theory ( or prove it ) to nail this down. Somehow. Being honest, I don't know where to look next. Other than load ratings.
I believe load ratings might vary from one maker to another. Perhaps?
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Tramlining - the wider the tyre the greater the tendency to tramline - fact (you seem to contradict yourself above gixer)
But - there are many more tyre "issues" that affect tramlining - pressures (need to use a properly calibrated tyre gauge to test not a Halfords cheapo!!), side wall flexability, rubber composition, ambient temperatures, et alia et alia. . . and last but not least the foibles of the car itself, differences in suspension set up, suspension/steering wear, chassis straightness etc etc. No 2 "identical" cars ever drive the same at "extremes" of performance/handling.
Ever towed a horsebox with 2 large horses in - they move about - and crossplys at higher psi a lot more stable than radials with softer sidewalls - less flexing.
Recognise you have a hell of a lot of variables to understand trying to compare performance of different tyres on different cars using different drivers!! The way to do it is to be scientific (professional not amateur) - as in my days of tyre testing for Dunlop, and among others Eric Broadley's mob, both on the track and on the road.
;)
Well seeing as I'm being slagged off....your wrong! ;D
Falkens aside, I've had more tyres that didn't tram line that did. There's no contradiction. The tyres that didn't tramline are clear. The tendency to tram line on wider lower tyres is accepted, but as you've seen there equally tyres that don't tram line. SIZE IS NOT THE ULTIMATE CAUSE.
I see dbug is also in cem mode. ;D
I think you 2 are basically agreeing on things, but too afraid to admit it ;D
Come on, keep it civil, we all have a lot to learn from each other, if only we allow that to happen.
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Tramlining - the wider the tyre the greater the tendency to tramline - fact (you seem to contradict yourself above gixer)
But - there are many more tyre "issues" that affect tramlining - pressures (need to use a properly calibrated tyre gauge to test not a Halfords cheapo!!), side wall flexability, rubber composition, ambient temperatures, et alia et alia. . . and last but not least the foibles of the car itself, differences in suspension set up, suspension/steering wear, chassis straightness etc etc. No 2 "identical" cars ever drive the same at "extremes" of performance/handling.
Ever towed a horsebox with 2 large horses in - they move about - and crossplys at higher psi a lot more stable than radials with softer sidewalls - less flexing.
Recognise you have a hell of a lot of variables to understand trying to compare performance of different tyres on different cars using different drivers!! The way to do it is to be scientific (professional not amateur) - as in my days of tyre testing for Dunlop, and among others Eric Broadley's mob, both on the track and on the road.
;)
Well seeing as I'm being slagged off....your wrong! ;D
Falkens aside, I've had more tyres that didn't tram line that did. There's no contradiction. The tyres that didn't tramline are clear. The tendency to tram line on wider lower tyres is accepted, but as you've seen there equally tyres that don't tram line. SIZE IS NOT THE ULTIMATE CAUSE.
I see dbug is also in cem mode. ;D
I think you 2 are basically agreeing on things, but too afraid to admit it ;D
Come on, keep it civil, we all have a lot to learn from each other, if only we allow that to happen.
As previous post...
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Tramlining - the wider the tyre the greater the tendency to tramline - fact (you seem to contradict yourself above gixer)
But - there are many more tyre "issues" that affect tramlining - pressures (need to use a properly calibrated tyre gauge to test not a Halfords cheapo!!), side wall flexability, rubber composition, ambient temperatures, et alia et alia. . . and last but not least the foibles of the car itself, differences in suspension set up, suspension/steering wear, chassis straightness etc etc. No 2 "identical" cars ever drive the same at "extremes" of performance/handling.
Ever towed a horsebox with 2 large horses in - they move about - and crossplys at higher psi a lot more stable than radials with softer sidewalls - less flexing.
Recognise you have a hell of a lot of variables to understand trying to compare performance of different tyres on different cars using different drivers!! The way to do it is to be scientific (professional not amateur) - as in my days of tyre testing for Dunlop, and among others Eric Broadley's mob, both on the track and on the road.
;)
Well seeing as I'm being slagged off....your wrong! ;D
Falkens aside, I've had more tyres that didn't tram line that did. There's no contradiction. The tyres that didn't tramline are clear. The tendency to tram line on wider lower tyres is accepted, but as you've seen there equally tyres that don't tram line. SIZE IS NOT THE ULTIMATE CAUSE.
I see dbug is also in cem mode. ;D
I think you 2 are basically agreeing on things, but too afraid to admit it ;D
Come on, keep it civil, we all have a lot to learn from each other, if only we allow that to happen.
Knew I shouldn't have posted - as said will now sit on the sidelines, watch and chuckle every now and again.
At least I won't be competing for the last word ;)
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You've chosen to be combative.
Errrr, sat back here, you aren't exactly coming across as being non combative yourself ;)
I know they has been some utter 'dangle berries' on this, and other, threads, which clearly aren't true. But we are also seeing, amongst the bickering, some useful snippets coming through.
We'll get nowhere if members are prepared to listen to other viewpoints... ...you never know, some people may actually know more about the subject than you, I, anyone gives them credit for ;)
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Right locking >:(
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And its pissed me off, as I was thinking we may get closer to why the SC5s are so bad on the Omega.
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As I thought we were beginning to get somewhere, and in order to assist SMD get some help on his problem, I am going to reopen this.
But there are some house rules, and anyone not abiding by them will see (possibly) temporary bans.
I shouldn't have to spell it out, we all understand the behaviour expected, but:
No bickering, fighting or general unpleasantness, and no comments purely to stir someone else. It will not be tolerated at all >:(
Here is what I know from personal experience (not what is written on the internet in irrelevent tests), except the first, which is traditional wisdom:
1) Traditional wisdom states that wider tyres and lower profiles gives a greater tendency to tramline, all other things equal, but does not necessarily mean a tyre will tramline.
2) Not all tyres (discernably) tramline.
3) On a well set up Omega, Sport Maxx TT 235/45/17 Y94 seems to be the benchmark in stability.
4) On same Omega, Continental SC5 235/40/18 Y94 seem to be at the bottom end of the scale for stability.
5) Four different budget tyres, including a mixture of winter and summer tyres, on the same Omega, does not tramline much.
6) SC3s are variable, depending on manufacturer specific sub models, meaning that a wider, lower profile tyre can be tramline free, and a narrower tyre can tramline.
(I am not mentioning Runway Enduros here, as I have not personally driven a "known" Omega with them on, so although I know that people I respect when it comes to tyres say they are a stable tyre, I have no personal experience, thus unqualified to comment - there has been too much heresay and speculation on this thread, and some people's opinions, without experience, portrayed as fact)
The 2 Omegas I have are set up to the WIM standard, with the exception of the 4 budgets on TBE, which was set at the time to an aggressive fast road setting - although these tyres reacted the same on the Silver Bullet that has always had the WIM standard settings.
Certainly with the Sport Maxx TT and the SC5, swapping between the cars, the tramline moves with the tyres. And going from the 4 different budgets to the SC5, the car went from "fairly stable, but not enough grip in the wet" to "very bad tramlining, and poor grip, esp under braking".
So, we can conclude, pretty convincingly, the issue lies with the tyres in this case (although we know that chassis issues can cause tramlining).
Remember, play nicely, or accept you will see a ban. Or shut up.
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At risk of repeating myself ::)
So what are the exact differences between Entwoods car and SMDs :-\
The answer to SMDs problem lies in here somewhere....
Could Entwoods car set up be measured in 3D and those settings be replicated on SMDs, ideally on the same machine, with the same operator, and back to back :-\
If SMDs car still misbehaves afterwards, then individual components would need to be closely checked for irregularities :-\
Could it be something as innocuous as an oval bolt hole on the subframe causing one arm to sit at a different angle to the other one :-\ A 0.25mm discrepancy at the rear bush could put the ball joint 5-6mm out, which would bugger up the front end geometry completely...
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As I thought we were beginning to get somewhere, and in order to assist SMD get some help on his problem, I am going to reopen this.
But there are some house rules, and anyone not abiding by them will see (possibly) temporary bans.
I shouldn't have to spell it out, we all understand the behaviour expected, but:
No bickering, fighting or general unpleasantness, and no comments purely to stir someone else. It will not be tolerated at all >:(
Here is what I know from personal experience (not what is written on the internet in irrelevent tests), except the first, which is traditional wisdom:
1) Traditional wisdom states that wider tyres and lower profiles gives a greater tendency to tramline, all other things equal, but does not necessarily mean a tyre will tramline.
2) Not all tyres (discernably) tramline.
3) On a well set up Omega, Sport Maxx TT 235/45/17 Y94 seems to be the benchmark in stability.
4) On same Omega, Continental SC5 235/40/18 Y94 seem to be at the bottom end of the scale for stability.
5) Four different budget tyres, including a mixture of winter and summer tyres, on the same Omega, does not tramline much.
6) SC3s are variable, depending on manufacturer specific sub models, meaning that a wider, lower profile tyre can be tramline free, and a narrower tyre can tramline.
(I am not mentioning Runway Enduros here, as I have not personally driven a "known" Omega with them on, so although I know that people I respect when it comes to tyres say they are a stable tyre, I have no personal experience, thus unqualified to comment - there has been too much heresay and speculation on this thread, and some people's opinions, without experience, portrayed as fact)
The 2 Omegas I have are set up to the WIM standard, with the exception of the 4 budgets on TBE, which was set at the time to an aggressive fast road setting - although these tyres reacted the same on the Silver Bullet that has always had the WIM standard settings.
Certainly with the Sport Maxx TT and the SC5, swapping between the cars, the tramline moves with the tyres. And going from the 4 different budgets to the SC5, the car went from "fairly stable, but not enough grip in the wet" to "very bad tramlining, and poor grip, esp under braking".
So, we can conclude, pretty convincingly, the issue lies with the tyres in this case (although we know that chassis issues can cause tramlining).
Remember, play nicely, or accept you will see a ban. Or shut up.
ok , to understand your experience and view I have few questions .. and I'll be glad if you answer them :y
when did you install sc5 (which month) ?
what was the temperature like on your daily commute road (like 0-10 celcius eg) ?
how will you define the roads (perfect asphalt, coarse, lots of curves etc) ?
whats the the distance you travel (going and coming back) ?
how can you define the road traffic (very crowded so you hardly move, crowded,empty etc) ?
what pressures you use ?
are they XL rating ?
whats your rating for SC5 for dry braking (90% eg) ?
" dry cornering (80% eg) ?
" wet braking (90% eg) ?
" wet cornering (80% eg) ?
tramlining (90% eg) ?
is there any specific road condition,tyre pressure that you witnessed for tramlining ?
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ok , to understand your experience and view I have few questions .. and I'll be glad if you answer them :y
when did you install sc5 (which month) ?
what was the temperature like on your daily commute road (like 0-10 celcius eg) ?
how will you define the roads (perfect asphalt, coarse, lots of curves etc) ?
whats the the distance you travel (going and coming back) ?
how can you define the road traffic (very crowded so you hardly move, crowded,empty etc) ?
what pressures you use ?
are they XL rating ?
whats your rating for SC5 for dry braking (90% eg) ?
" dry cornering (80% eg) ?
" wet braking (90% eg) ?
" wet cornering (80% eg) ?
tramlining (90% eg) ?
is there any specific road condition,tyre pressure that you witnessed for tramlining ?
September 2012
Since then, varied from around 20C, maybe higher, to just below freezing. And snow. No real difference, bar grip levels
Fast dual carriageway, 50mph straight A roads (A5 - roman road, straight), urban, roundabout city (Milton Keynes). Road surface, variable, but mostly good asphalt, no real rutting.
28 miles each way, 56m round trip.
Traffic variable. Some days I can do it in 35mins, sometimes its 75 mins. Occasionally (once every few weeks), 2-3hrs.
Tried varying pressures, tried every PSI from 28 to 36.
No, as stated, 94
Ratings, with TT as the benchmark (TT being 100% on all, as its probably the best Omega tyre)
20%
75%
20%
75%
5%
No, tramlining is there all the time. Dual carriageway, A roads, B roads, unclassified roads, Motorway. And across all pressures I've tried.
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ok , to understand your experience and view I have few questions .. and I'll be glad if you answer them :y
when did you install sc5 (which month) ?
what was the temperature like on your daily commute road (like 0-10 celcius eg) ?
how will you define the roads (perfect asphalt, coarse, lots of curves etc) ?
whats the the distance you travel (going and coming back) ?
how can you define the road traffic (very crowded so you hardly move, crowded,empty etc) ?
what pressures you use ?
are they XL rating ?
whats your rating for SC5 for dry braking (90% eg) ?
" dry cornering (80% eg) ?
" wet braking (90% eg) ?
" wet cornering (80% eg) ?
tramlining (90% eg) ?
is there any specific road condition,tyre pressure that you witnessed for tramlining ?
September 2012
Since then, varied from around 20C, maybe higher, to just below freezing. And snow. No real difference, bar grip levels
Fast dual carriageway, 50mph straight A roads (A5 - roman road, straight), urban, roundabout city (Milton Keynes). Road surface, variable, but mostly good asphalt, no real rutting.
28 miles each way, 56m round trip.
Traffic variable. Some days I can do it in 35mins, sometimes its 75 mins. Occasionally (once every few weeks), 2-3hrs.
Tried varying pressures, tried every PSI from 28 to 36.
No, as stated, 94
Ratings, with TT as the benchmark (TT being 100% on all, as its probably the best Omega tyre)
20%
75%
20%
75%
5%
No, tramlining is there all the time. Dual carriageway, A roads, B roads, unclassified roads, Motorway. And across all pressures I've tried.
ok.. after some search on UK drivers experiences with conti SC5 , they verify your complaints..
especially Mercedes owners..
this is their comment on SC5
"Compound remains hard and can't warm up enough to attain summer performance and can be noisy and slippery. "
yesterday, my view was that this tyre was not getting enough hot to perform well in the wet (apart from tramlining problem-but cant post my view as thread is locked) and as I see Mercedes owners share the same view about temp (despite your daily commute is enough long to heat an average tyre but however I found this info also interesting
"The ContiSportContact 5 is Continental’s Max Performance Summer tyre. Initially developed to match the sporty driving characteristics of Mercedes-Benz SLK350 roadsters, the ContiSportContact 5 is designed to combine short braking distances and good cornering traction with reduced fuel consumption and good treadwear. However like all summer tyres, they are not intended to be driven in near freezing temperatures, through snow or on ice.
The ContiSportContact 5 uses Continental’s Black Chilli compound molded into an asymmetric tread design that features a macro-block outboard shoulder that adapts to the road surface to improve road grip and cornering stability. Four circumferential grooves channel water to resist hydroplaning and enhance wet traction. A continuous center rib and notched intermediate ribs promote steering response and straight-line tracking.
The ContiSportContact 5’s Black Chilli compound’s short-chain polymers react to braking forces by building heat to shorten braking distance on wet and dry roads, while the compound’s long-chain polymers release the absorbed energy more efficiently at constant speeds to reduced rolling resistance. Thus, the tyre stops faster and remains cooler for longer life and reduced fuel consumption.
The tyre's internal structure features twin steel belts reinforced with spirally wrapped polyamide (a mixture of heat-resistant synthetic aramid fiber and nylon threads) that enhances the ride quality while tuning the contact area's vertical flexibility and lateral rigidity.
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so if I understand correctly its polymer structure releases heat quickly to have longer life and shorter braking distance, however, this specification doesnt help in UK autumn and winter weather.. because tyres cant heat up properly because of its design and definitely needs higher temperatures than your avg conditions..
) another hint can be Germany now completely forbid summer tyres in winter.. So Continental high likely design the compounds accordingly.. :-\
instead they find an alternative conti model for UK weather
Conti EC DWS.......
Ultra high performance all season Dry-Wet-Snow design.
I never hear about this model and never seen in any test :-\
some specs for slk350 to compare the chasis and tyres..
curb weight: 1540 kg
power : 306 ps (302 hp)
rwd
tyres : 225/45 17 front , 245/40 17 rear
suspension font: anti roll bar, coil springs, independant multi link
suspension rear :anti roll bar, coil springs , independant multi link
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I need to add , if those tyres survive ( :'( ) till summer we may have the chance to see their real performance so please dont abuse those expensive tyres :'(
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I have been watching this thread and wanted to post but then TB locked it so I posted on the other thread "tramlining" I had a thought that all the good tyres that were ok and didn't seem to cause as many problems in tramlining were older tyres and not the new ranges, :) Now I am wondering if all new tyre ranges are predominantly made for FWD instead of RWD as nearly all new cars today are FWD if so that may be the reason why thay don't perform well on RWD cars of yester year. :-\
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Still doesn't explain why the identical GOODYEAR tyres fitted to both Entwoods 3.2 saloon and SMDs 3.2 saloon perform so differently :-\
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I wonder if its got anything to do with weight distribution of the driver :-\ :D :D :D
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I wonder if its got anything to do with weight distribution of the driver :-\ :D :D :D
;D ;D
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I also find it strange that a firm such as Continental would insist on selling tyres that were so temperature sensitive in a market with no winter tyre requirement :-\
Surely the compounds would vary according to market requirements. Certainly if I were to sell a product that only worked half of the time, then I would have to price it accordingly, and also sell an equivalent product that worked when the other one didn't, again at a price which reflected this shortcoming ::)
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I also find it strange that a firm such as Continental would insist on selling tyres that were so temperature sensitive in a market with no winter tyre requirement :-\
Surely the compounds would vary according to market requirements. Certainly if I were to sell a product that only worked half of the time, then I would have to price it accordingly, and also sell an equivalent product that worked when the other one didn't, again at a price which reflected this shortcoming ::)
Conti also have another compound for daily normal use.. Ecocontact,premium contact etc etc and its quite different than the sport one..
but obviously sport models are designed for more specific range of temperatures..
and I must note their winter tyres alway rank 1st or 2nd (without tramlining measures)
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I wil go back to my last post on this subject that was not answered,
Have either of these cars been involved in ANY type of accident in there histories, as this will have a bearing on how the car drives. Even if the car is spot on build wise after the repair it will still not be out of the box as they say.
I had a vctra that was hit hard on the front offside and was rebuilt by a major body repair company and looked as good as it did the day it left the factory, but i still to this day say that it was not the same car prior to the bang, it seemed to feel sterile in the steering and was returned to both the body repair co and to vx for checks, nothing was found and then it was replaced under company lease end.
Entwood and SMD will be the guys to answer this as they hopefully will have some history of there cars.
Gary.
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Can't find it, but remember reading something about SMDs car having been rear ended whilst parked :-\
This might make it more sensitive to the rear suspension settings, which would affect the thrust angle of the rear axle, which in turn, would affect the geometry of the front end :-\
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I wil go back to my last post on this subject that was not answered,
Have either of these cars been involved in ANY type of accident in there histories, as this will have a bearing on how the car drives. Even if the car is spot on build wise after the repair it will still not be out of the box as they say.
I had a vctra that was hit hard on the front offside and was rebuilt by a major body repair company and looked as good as it did the day it left the factory, but i still to this day say that it was not the same car prior to the bang, it seemed to feel sterile in the steering and was returned to both the body repair co and to vx for checks, nothing was found and then it was replaced under company lease end.
Entwood and SMD will be the guys to answer this as they hopefully will have some history of there cars.
Gary.
Mine has had a very slow speed light knock on the right rear quarter 4 years ago, I was stationary and an idiot who didn't look behind him reversed out of a parking bay !! So I doubt that's done anything to the "layout" of the car. I am not aware of anything else, or I wouldn't have bought the car!!!
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TB, I thought your MV6 sat lower at the front - nose down? :-\
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I wil go back to my last post on this subject that was not answered,
Have either of these cars been involved in ANY type of accident in there histories, as this will have a bearing on how the car drives. Even if the car is spot on build wise after the repair it will still not be out of the box as they say.
I had a vctra that was hit hard on the front offside and was rebuilt by a major body repair company and looked as good as it did the day it left the factory, but i still to this day say that it was not the same car prior to the bang, it seemed to feel sterile in the steering and was returned to both the body repair co and to vx for checks, nothing was found and then it was replaced under company lease end.
Entwood and SMD will be the guys to answer this as they hopefully will have some history of there cars.
Gary.
It has been answered but indirectly Gary. Swapping the wheels between cars sees the fault follow the wheels, infecting that car, where the previously wondering car now behaves. It really is the tyres.
Smd's we need to examine further, looking at the basics first. :)
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Can't find it, but remember reading something about SMDs car having been rear ended whilst parked :-\
This might make it more sensitive to the rear suspension settings, which would affect the thrust angle of the rear axle, which in turn, would affect the geometry of the front end :-\
It was a bumper rub. Nothing more. Plus the issue is at the front, as he can feel it on the steering wheel, I believe. :)
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ok.. after some search on UK drivers experiences with conti SC5 , they verify your complaints..
especially Mercedes owners..
this is their comment on SC5
"Compound remains hard and can't warm up enough to attain summer performance and can be noisy and slippery. "
yesterday, my view was that this tyre was not getting enough hot to perform well in the wet (apart from tramlining problem-but cant post my view as thread is locked) and as I see Mercedes owners share the same view about temp (despite your daily commute is enough long to heat an average tyre but however I found this info also interesting
So you think I'm not getting enough heat into them? I suggest you google map Milton Keynes ;)
"The ContiSportContact 5 is Continental’s Max Performance Summer tyre. Initially developed to match the sporty driving characteristics of Mercedes-Benz SLK350 roadsters, the ContiSportContact 5 is designed to combine short braking distances and good cornering traction with reduced fuel consumption and good treadwear. However like all summer tyres, they are not intended to be driven in near freezing temperatures, through snow or on ice.
The ContiSportContact 5 uses Continental’s Black Chilli compound molded into an asymmetric tread design that features a macro-block outboard shoulder that adapts to the road surface to improve road grip and cornering stability. Four circumferential grooves channel water to resist hydroplaning and enhance wet traction. A continuous center rib and notched intermediate ribs promote steering response and straight-line tracking.
The ContiSportContact 5’s Black Chilli compound’s short-chain polymers react to braking forces by building heat to shorten braking distance on wet and dry roads, while the compound’s long-chain polymers release the absorbed energy more efficiently at constant speeds to reduced rolling resistance. Thus, the tyre stops faster and remains cooler for longer life and reduced fuel consumption.
The tyre's internal structure features twin steel belts reinforced with spirally wrapped polyamide (a mixture of heat-resistant synthetic aramid fiber and nylon threads) that enhances the ride quality while tuning the contact area's vertical flexibility and lateral rigidity.
"
Lifted from their site? Its clearly a marketting piece - easily spotted, lots of valid words when only one would do, "Bullshit"
instead they find an alternative conti model for UK weather
Conti EC DWS.......
Ultra high performance all season Dry-Wet-Snow design.
I never hear about this model and never seen in any test :-\
Are you now suggesting that I bin these, and buy yet more junk that you've never tried, personally, on an Omega? >:(
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ok.. after some search on UK drivers experiences with conti SC5 , they verify your complaints..
especially Mercedes owners..
this is their comment on SC5
"Compound remains hard and can't warm up enough to attain summer performance and can be noisy and slippery. "
yesterday, my view was that this tyre was not getting enough hot to perform well in the wet (apart from tramlining problem-but cant post my view as thread is locked) and as I see Mercedes owners share the same view about temp (despite your daily commute is enough long to heat an average tyre but however I found this info also interesting
So you think I'm not getting enough heat into them? I suggest you google map Milton Keynes ;)
"The ContiSportContact 5 is Continental’s Max Performance Summer tyre. Initially developed to match the sporty driving characteristics of Mercedes-Benz SLK350 roadsters, the ContiSportContact 5 is designed to combine short braking distances and good cornering traction with reduced fuel consumption and good treadwear. However like all summer tyres, they are not intended to be driven in near freezing temperatures, through snow or on ice.
The ContiSportContact 5 uses Continental’s Black Chilli compound molded into an asymmetric tread design that features a macro-block outboard shoulder that adapts to the road surface to improve road grip and cornering stability. Four circumferential grooves channel water to resist hydroplaning and enhance wet traction. A continuous center rib and notched intermediate ribs promote steering response and straight-line tracking.
The ContiSportContact 5’s Black Chilli compound’s short-chain polymers react to braking forces by building heat to shorten braking distance on wet and dry roads, while the compound’s long-chain polymers release the absorbed energy more efficiently at constant speeds to reduced rolling resistance. Thus, the tyre stops faster and remains cooler for longer life and reduced fuel consumption.
The tyre's internal structure features twin steel belts reinforced with spirally wrapped polyamide (a mixture of heat-resistant synthetic aramid fiber and nylon threads) that enhances the ride quality while tuning the contact area's vertical flexibility and lateral rigidity.
"
Lifted from their site? Its clearly a marketting piece - easily spotted, lots of valid words when only one would do, "Bullshit"
instead they find an alternative conti model for UK weather
Conti EC DWS.......
Ultra high performance all season Dry-Wet-Snow design.
I never hear about this model and never seen in any test :-\
Are you now suggesting that I bin these, and buy yet more junk that you've never tried, personally, on an Omega? >:(
clearly , the picture is not that simple.. :-\
first , I'm not a German and not a shareholder in Conti and no need to make their ad freely ;D
however, as our old saying "kill the man but give his right" :)
they make good tyres and their technology is beyond the ordinary people who is outside tyre making/design bussiness..
but one thing is very obvious, this tyres working parameters by design dont match your conditions..
so either you wait and see/use them in summer or you discard them..
and I shared this model as an info, not a recommandation.. and I dont remember I recommend you anything :y
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An update. Went to Halfords and bought a tyre pressure gauge. Came home, left car for 1.5 hours to cool down and just checked pressures.
Fronts were 33 and 34.5 psi (L to R)
Rears were 33.5 and 34.5 psi (L to R)
(approx, this is from memory ::) ;D )
Set to 32 psi all round for now
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An update. Went to Halfords and bought a tyre pressure gauge. Came home, left car for 1.5 hours to cool down and just checked pressures.
Fronts were 33 and 34.5 psi (L to R)
Rears were 33.5 and 34.5 psi (L to R)
(approx, this is from memory ::) ;D )
Set to 32 psi all round for now
Hmmm. Nothing there to cause concern. :(
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What were you expecting (or hoping for?)
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An update. Went to Halfords and bought a tyre pressure gauge. Came home, left car for 1.5 hours to cool down and just checked pressures.
Fronts were 33 and 34.5 psi (L to R)
Rears were 33.5 and 34.5 psi (L to R)
(approx, this is from memory ::) ;D )
Set to 32 psi all round for now
Hmmm. Nothing there to cause concern. :(
too low tyre pressure. Caused by a dodgy gauge. But those pressures shouldnt cause an issue. Need to examine further. Free until Thursday SMD. :y
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Thanks for the offer Chris. :) Frankly, I'm fed up of spending money and time on this car now. I'm also spending far too time on this forum (according to the missus). I've made countless trips to WIM, each time costing around £40 in fuel. Should have just left it alone after the initial setup. The sump has also started to weep so that will need addressing this weekend.
My 4y/o daughter fell and broke her arm on Monday. Had an operation yesterday and is now back home recovering. I'm tired myself with all the running around and had very little sleep and probably as a result of this, have man flu. Nail in coffin is I'm back at work tomorrow. Couldn't care less about the car right now TBH.
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Yep, a car is a livelyhood. It's vital to daily life. Might be why, rightly or wrongly, I get so hacked off when people "appear" to piss about when we are trying to sort issues with them.
Offers there anyway. If you get a minute and are happy to give the info, feel free to send me your mobile number and rough location. If I'm out that way.... Etc.
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Sorry Chris if my last message came across as rude, was not my intention at all.. :). I'm grateful for your offer to help. I might have unintentionally offended my sister in law the other day too :-X
I'm in east London mate so if you happen to get lost and find yourself here, I'd be interested to meet up.
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Sorry Chris if my last message came across as rude, was not my intention at all.. :). I'm grateful for your offer to help. I might have unintentionally offended my sister in law the other day too :-X
I'm in east London mate so if you happen to get lost and find yourself here, I'd be interested to meet up.
Rude? Not at all. :y
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Thanks for the offer Chris. :) Frankly, I'm fed up of spending money and time on this car now. I'm also spending far too time on this forum (according to the missus). I've made countless trips to WIM, each time costing around £40 in fuel. Should have just left it alone after the initial setup. The sump has also started to weep so that will need addressing this weekend.
My 4y/o daughter fell and broke her arm on Monday. Had an operation yesterday and is now back home recovering. I'm tired myself with all the running around and had very little sleep and probably as a result of this, have man flu. Nail in coffin is I'm back at work tomorrow. Couldn't care less about the car right now TBH.
sorry to hear that.. I hope she recovers quickly :y
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Thanks. It's difficult at her age, she is wearing is cast which has to stay on for 5 weeks so it restricts her movements and when her arm itches and she is unable to scratch it, she turns into a different person :-[
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Thanks. It's difficult at her age, she is wearing is cast which has to stay on for 5 weeks so it restricts her movements and when her arm itches and she is unable to scratch it, she turns into a different person :-[
at least she is very young now and her body can repair the bones quickly.. :-\