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Squeaky big butt time for Merkel me thinks, with the launch of this party, which contains many prominent former Europhiles, who now admit they are wrong and Germany needs to leave the Euro and maybe form a northern currency union with the Netherlands, Austria and Finland, who all have similar economies.
If Greece, Cyprus or Italy blow up economically or politically between now and the German elections in September, Merkel's vote will drop faster than a girls knickers at one of Silvio's bunga, bunga parties. ::) ::) ::)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/ambroseevans_pritchard/9920666/Germanys-anti-euro-party-is-a-nasty-shock-for-Angela-Merkel.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/ambroseevans_pritchard/9920666/Germanys-anti-euro-party-is-a-nasty-shock-for-Angela-Merkel.html)
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No surprise really in this news. The EU / Euro will break up from within as all "empires" have. The German's are too proud and strong a nation to put up with the shanagins of weaker, inferior, countries that they have to bail out. German nationalism is growing again! :o :o :o
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Maybe it will lead to something. If it doesn't and the Euro stays "strong" then my forecast of Britain being in the Euro within five years still has a good chance of happening.
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No surprise really in this news. The EU / Euro will break up from within as all "empires" have. The German's are too proud and strong a nation to put up with the shanagins of weaker, inferior, countries that they have to bail out. German nationalism is growing again! :o :o :o
Nazi party anyone :(
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/over-half-of-austrians-think-the-nazis-would-be-elected-if-the-party-was-readmitted-to-politics-8528218.html
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No surprise really in this news. The EU / Euro will break up from within as all "empires" have. The German's are too proud and strong a nation to put up with the shanagins of weaker, inferior, countries that they have to bail out. German nationalism is growing again! :o :o :o
Nazi party anyone :(
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/over-half-of-austrians-think-the-nazis-would-be-elected-if-the-party-was-readmitted-to-politics-8528218.html
Yes, that is the really scary fact. The Nazis have never really died out, and neo-Nazi parties are out there and growing on past "victories" as they see it. :o :o :o :o
Dangerous if allowed to develop further, as seems to be a very real probability the more German nationalism is inhibited. We have certainly been here before! :( :(
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War in 2014? A 100 years after the first one.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/9922063/Jean-Claude-Juncker-Europes-demons-are-only-sleeping.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/9922063/Jean-Claude-Juncker-Europes-demons-are-only-sleeping.html)
Luxembourg Prime Minister is appalled at the nationalism and resentment between Southern Europe and Germany, where Germany is blamed for their economic woes. The answer for Southern Europe is very easy, dump the Euro and escape its economic straight jacket. Lira having very high denomination notes has not been by accident, this is how Italy with high inflation has used devaluation to keep its country competitive against the other countries. ::)
The interesting bit will come when Germany and the other Northern Eurozone countries and their taxpayers are left holding the Southern European debts. Germany and their taxpayers will be by far the biggest losers. Finland and their taxpayers will smile, where their government has demanded collateral for any loans they have made.
When Germany and French nationalism comes to the fore with bankrupt banks and with France probably an insolvent country, I would suggest as we are not in the Euro that we just stock up with popcorn and sit this one out, letting the European states fight this one out, either legally or physicaly on there own. Unfortunately, Cameron's taste for illadvised foreign military adventures, will probably mean that he will relish the UK being in the middle of it. :o :o :o :o
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War in 2014? A 100 years after the first one.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/9922063/Jean-Claude-Juncker-Europes-demons-are-only-sleeping.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/9922063/Jean-Claude-Juncker-Europes-demons-are-only-sleeping.html)
Luxembourg Prime Minister is appalled at the nationalism and resentment between Southern Europe and Germany, where Germany is blamed for their economic woes. The answer for Southern Europe is very easy, dump the Euro and escape its economic straight jacket. Lira having very high denomination notes has not been by accident, this is how Italy with high inflation has used devaluation to keep its country competitive against the other countries. ::)
The interesting bit will come when Germany and the other Northern Eurozone countries and their taxpayers are left holding the Southern European debts. Germany and their taxpayers will be by far the biggest losers. Finland and their taxpayers will smile, where their government has demanded collateral for any loans they have made.
When Germany and French nationalism comes to the fore with bankrupt banks and with France probably an insolvent country, I would suggest as we are not in the Euro that we just stock up with popcorn and sit this one out, letting the European states fight this one out, either legally or physicaly on there own. Unfortunately, Cameron's taste for illadvised foreign military adventures, will probably mean that he will relish the UK being in the middle of it. :o :o :o :o
Indeed. Britain's involvement in a land battle with Germany in 1914 could have been avoided. We should have then ignored our alliance with France and have let them all get on with it. But, no the "great Empire" couldn't do that!
Let us hope, pray sincerely hope that a) no hostilities ever arise again, but b) if they do we stay right out of it!
One thing is for sure is that Hitler was right about one thing; Britain is not Germany's natural enemy, and so we should not help the French this time, or any other country around Europe if they get into difficulties. ;)
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War in 2014? A 100 years after the first one.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/9922063/Jean-Claude-Juncker-Europes-demons-are-only-sleeping.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/9922063/Jean-Claude-Juncker-Europes-demons-are-only-sleeping.html)
Luxembourg Prime Minister is appalled at the nationalism and resentment between Southern Europe and Germany, where Germany is blamed for their economic woes. The answer for Southern Europe is very easy, dump the Euro and escape its economic straight jacket. Lira having very high denomination notes has not been by accident, this is how Italy with high inflation has used devaluation to keep its country competitive against the other countries. ::)
The interesting bit will come when Germany and the other Northern Eurozone countries and their taxpayers are left holding the Southern European debts. Germany and their taxpayers will be by far the biggest losers. Finland and their taxpayers will smile, where their government has demanded collateral for any loans they have made.
When Germany and French nationalism comes to the fore with bankrupt banks and with France probably an insolvent country, I would suggest as we are not in the Euro that we just stock up with popcorn and sit this one out, letting the European states fight this one out, either legally or physicaly on there own. Unfortunately, Cameron's taste for illadvised foreign military adventures, will probably mean that he will relish the UK being in the middle of it. :o :o :o :o
Camoron will have our lads out there as peace keepers >:(
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War in 2014? A 100 years after the first one.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/9922063/Jean-Claude-Juncker-Europes-demons-are-only-sleeping.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/9922063/Jean-Claude-Juncker-Europes-demons-are-only-sleeping.html)
Luxembourg Prime Minister is appalled at the nationalism and resentment between Southern Europe and Germany, where Germany is blamed for their economic woes. The answer for Southern Europe is very easy, dump the Euro and escape its economic straight jacket. Lira having very high denomination notes has not been by accident, this is how Italy with high inflation has used devaluation to keep its country competitive against the other countries. ::)
The interesting bit will come when Germany and the other Northern Eurozone countries and their taxpayers are left holding the Southern European debts. Germany and their taxpayers will be by far the biggest losers. Finland and their taxpayers will smile, where their government has demanded collateral for any loans they have made.
When Germany and French nationalism comes to the fore with bankrupt banks and with France probably an insolvent country, I would suggest as we are not in the Euro that we just stock up with popcorn and sit this one out, letting the European states fight this one out, either legally or physicaly on there own. Unfortunately, Cameron's taste for illadvised foreign military adventures, will probably mean that he will relish the UK being in the middle of it. :o :o :o :o
Indeed. Britain's involvement in a land battle with Germany in 1914 could have been avoided. We should have then ignored our alliance with France and have let them all get on with it. But, no the "great Empire" couldn't do that!
Let us hope, pray sincerely hope that a) no hostilities ever arise again, but b) if they do we stay right out of it!
One thing is for sure is that Hitler was right about one thing; Britain is not Germany's natural enemy, and so we should not help the French this time, or any other country around Europe if they get into difficulties. ;)
The French were very happy with our treaty obligations as it broke our strong mutual trading and personal (through the Royal family) relationship with Germany, where we are much more natural allies, than we have ever been with the French, with many wars between us
The problem with the French superiority complex and their constant European Hegemony (This is what the EU is really about) is that it always fails. As a nation they have always failed and end up dragging those around them into the mess of their making. The Euro is just another classic example of this.
The English on there own would have agreed much better terms with Germany at the end of WWI and without their humiliation, Hitler would have probably remained, just what he was, a vile revolutionary misfit, who was incapable of doing a proper days work, so WWII would have been avoided! :y
I always considered it strange, that Hitler is quite rightly reviled, but the French despot Napoleon is revered by the French with every other road and placed named after him! :o :o :o
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War in 2014? A 100 years after the first one.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/9922063/Jean-Claude-Juncker-Europes-demons-are-only-sleeping.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/9922063/Jean-Claude-Juncker-Europes-demons-are-only-sleeping.html)
Luxembourg Prime Minister is appalled at the nationalism and resentment between Southern Europe and Germany, where Germany is blamed for their economic woes. The answer for Southern Europe is very easy, dump the Euro and escape its economic straight jacket. Lira having very high denomination notes has not been by accident, this is how Italy with high inflation has used devaluation to keep its country competitive against the other countries. ::)
The interesting bit will come when Germany and the other Northern Eurozone countries and their taxpayers are left holding the Southern European debts. Germany and their taxpayers will be by far the biggest losers. Finland and their taxpayers will smile, where their government has demanded collateral for any loans they have made.
When Germany and French nationalism comes to the fore with bankrupt banks and with France probably an insolvent country, I would suggest as we are not in the Euro that we just stock up with popcorn and sit this one out, letting the European states fight this one out, either legally or physicaly on there own. Unfortunately, Cameron's taste for illadvised foreign military adventures, will probably mean that he will relish the UK being in the middle of it. :o :o :o :o
This is a subject that I talk to Spanish people about. I have yet to meet a single Spaniard who thinks it is the solution. I believe it is to do with their history. Dictator and real poverty in the current living memory. That all changed in very recent times and then they joined the EU and adopted the Euro. Very, very quickly people became wealthy, bought a car, farmers got subsidies, bought tractors on cheap loans etc etc.. They still associate the 3 things (EU, Euro and democracy)with good times. Leaving the Euro would mean inflation. They laugh when I say. Yes but after a couple of years of hard times the Spanish economy would pick up. Stay in the Euro and it will be bad for ten or maybe twenty years.
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Which is probably why Italy is likely to be the first to leave as they are a prosperous nation who are now feeling the pain of the Euro straight jacket and Mario Monti's totally stupid 3% of GDP austerity.
Italy was heading for a balanced budget with a gradual correction, all 3% austerity will do is put a country into an economic death spiral. Ask Greece, Portugal and Spain. Ireland have got away with it due to their low corporation tax and positive balance of payments through many overseas companies having located there, especially pharmaceutical and IT companies.
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In simple words, it is easy to understand about the Nazi's. When people are forced into what we and other countries are being forced into, austerity (for the poor)
etc, whilst those who 'have it' are being seen as 'keeping it', there then comes a limit, when enough is enough. Seeing the 'natives' of a country suffering, whilst 'newcomers' are given the golden spoon, unemployment rising all the time, whilst those 'newcomers' seem to be taking peoples jobs. Anarchy starts raising its ugly head. It starts in a small way with 'protest votes' then onto the streets with marches, then into civil disobedience, followed by riots.
Along come the Nazi Party, fuelling the demo's etc, and promising a way out........people in desperate situations will follow, what else is there left :(
Think back to all the newsreel clips you have seen of Germany in the thirties........I expect, maybe, the membership of the Nazi Party itself may not have been massive... but there were millions that were happy to throw their hand in the air for Mr Hitler.
Actual membership of our political parties is minimal, but millions of people vote for them at elections, same thing :y
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War in 2014? A 100 years after the first one.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/9922063/Jean-Claude-Juncker-Europes-demons-are-only-sleeping.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/9922063/Jean-Claude-Juncker-Europes-demons-are-only-sleeping.html)
Luxembourg Prime Minister is appalled at the nationalism and resentment between Southern Europe and Germany, where Germany is blamed for their economic woes. The answer for Southern Europe is very easy, dump the Euro and escape its economic straight jacket. Lira having very high denomination notes has not been by accident, this is how Italy with high inflation has used devaluation to keep its country competitive against the other countries. ::)
The interesting bit will come when Germany and the other Northern Eurozone countries and their taxpayers are left holding the Southern European debts. Germany and their taxpayers will be by far the biggest losers. Finland and their taxpayers will smile, where their government has demanded collateral for any loans they have made.
When Germany and French nationalism comes to the fore with bankrupt banks and with France probably an insolvent country, I would suggest as we are not in the Euro that we just stock up with popcorn and sit this one out, letting the European states fight this one out, either legally or physicaly on there own. Unfortunately, Cameron's taste for illadvised foreign military adventures, will probably mean that he will relish the UK being in the middle of it. :o :o :o :o
Indeed. Britain's involvement in a land battle with Germany in 1914 could have been avoided. We should have then ignored our alliance with France and have let them all get on with it. But, no the "great Empire" couldn't do that!
Let us hope, pray sincerely hope that a) no hostilities ever arise again, but b) if they do we stay right out of it!
One thing is for sure is that Hitler was right about one thing; Britain is not Germany's natural enemy, and so we should not help the French this time, or any other country around Europe if they get into difficulties. ;)
The French were very happy with our treaty obligations as it broke our strong mutual trading and personal (through the Royal family) relationship with Germany, where we are much more natural allies, than we have ever been with the French, with many wars between us
The problem with the French superiority complex and their constant European Hegemony (This is what the EU is really about) is that it always fails. As a nation they have always failed and end up dragging those around them into the mess of their making. The Euro is just another classic example of this.
The English on there own would have agreed much better terms with Germany at the end of WWI and without their humiliation, Hitler would have probably remained, just what he was, a vile revolutionary misfit, who was incapable of doing a proper days work, so WWII would have been avoided! :y
I always considered it strange, that Hitler is quite rightly reviled, but the French despot Napoleon is revered by the French with every other road and placed named after him! :o :o :o
We may not agree on HS2 Rods2, but on this one we think the same! :D :D :y :y :y
Always remember the hundred of years we fought the French, and Spanish, whilst Germany / Prussia / Austria-Hungarian Empire was an ally of Great Britain and stood with us against the French threat in the form of Napoleon, and previously over hundreds of years our cultures grew alongside each other. But for the Prussian army arriving in the nick of time at Waterloo in 1815 Wellington was well on the way to losing the Battle.
During The Great War the French Allied Commander, General Foch, in 1918 tried very hard to preserve French troops during the third Battle of the Somme at the expense of British troops who had already paid too higher a price in fighting on French soil. After the War, during the Versailles Treaty negotiations during 1919, which were very prolonged and complex, the French continued to attempt to get the best deals for themselves at the expense of the British Empire, supported by an anti-imperialist Woodrow Wilson, President of the United States who was trying to build the American 100 years of power also at the expense of the British. The conclusion for me? We can never trust the French, nor Americans as much as I love them, and should always champion our own objectives in the World. The Germans can be dangerous, yes, but as I stated before, we are actually natural allies due to blood line, Royal Families, foundations of language, culture, and general ability to work together. They, and us, are proud nations with strong military and business backgrounds. You cannot say all that about any other nation. :y :y :y :y :y
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In simple words, it is easy to understand about the Nazi's. When people are forced into what we and other countries are being forced into, austerity (for the poor)
etc, whilst those who 'have it' are being seen as 'keeping it', there then comes a limit, when enough is enough. Seeing the 'natives' of a country suffering, whilst 'newcomers' are given the golden spoon, unemployment rising all the time, whilst those 'newcomers' seem to be taking peoples jobs. Anarchy starts raising its ugly head. It starts in a small way with 'protest votes' then onto the streets with marches, then into civil disobedience, followed by riots.
Along come the Nazi Party, fuelling the demo's etc, and promising a way out........people in desperate situations will follow, what else is there left :(
Think back to all the newsreel clips you have seen of Germany in the thirties........I expect, maybe, the membership of the Nazi Party itself may not have been massive... but there were millions that were happy to throw their hand in the air for Mr Hitler.
Actual membership of our political parties is minimal, but millions of people vote for them at elections, same thing :y
Absolutely right terbert! :y :y :y :y
Some on here think I am left wing, but actually I can be far right, but I control that impulse due to the lessons of history. However, if I had been German Fraulein in the 1930s I would have joined the Nazi Party; I would have followed Hitler; I would have supported his actions, and been very proud to do so. He gave hope to a nation on it's knees, stripped of it's pride, and robbed by the Empires around it. I would have been very angry, and with children to raise, to cloth and feed, I would have shouted Heil Hitler! He promised so much, and indeed during the 1930s for the true Arian Germans he delivered so much. He cured all that you mention terbert, and gave full employment with massive public work schemes and the construction of a strong, proud, military machine that boosted memories of their Prussian past.
The problem was it all had to be paid for, and for that Hitler decided it should be by acquisition, after first claiming back German lands taken by the appalling Versailles Treaty, then going all out as the chancer he was to go for the rest of Europe and, the real prize, Communist Russia. WW2 was of course the terrible result! :'( :'( :'( :'( It could have been so different.
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War in 2014? A 100 years after the first one.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/9922063/Jean-Claude-Juncker-Europes-demons-are-only-sleeping.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/9922063/Jean-Claude-Juncker-Europes-demons-are-only-sleeping.html)
Luxembourg Prime Minister is appalled at the nationalism and resentment between Southern Europe and Germany, where Germany is blamed for their economic woes. The answer for Southern Europe is very easy, dump the Euro and escape its economic straight jacket. Lira having very high denomination notes has not been by accident, this is how Italy with high inflation has used devaluation to keep its country competitive against the other countries. ::)
The interesting bit will come when Germany and the other Northern Eurozone countries and their taxpayers are left holding the Southern European debts. Germany and their taxpayers will be by far the biggest losers. Finland and their taxpayers will smile, where their government has demanded collateral for any loans they have made.
When Germany and French nationalism comes to the fore with bankrupt banks and with France probably an insolvent country, I would suggest as we are not in the Euro that we just stock up with popcorn and sit this one out, letting the European states fight this one out, either legally or physicaly on there own. Unfortunately, Cameron's taste for illadvised foreign military adventures, will probably mean that he will relish the UK being in the middle of it. :o :o :o :o
Indeed. Britain's involvement in a land battle with Germany in 1914 could have been avoided. We should have then ignored our alliance with France and have let them all get on with it. But, no the "great Empire" couldn't do that!
Let us hope, pray sincerely hope that a) no hostilities ever arise again, but b) if they do we stay right out of it!
One thing is for sure is that Hitler was right about one thing; Britain is not Germany's natural enemy, and so we should not help the French this time, or any other country around Europe if they get into difficulties. ;)
The French were very happy with our treaty obligations as it broke our strong mutual trading and personal (through the Royal family) relationship with Germany, where we are much more natural allies, than we have ever been with the French, with many wars between us
The problem with the French superiority complex and their constant European Hegemony (This is what the EU is really about) is that it always fails. As a nation they have always failed and end up dragging those around them into the mess of their making. The Euro is just another classic example of this.
The English on there own would have agreed much better terms with Germany at the end of WWI and without their humiliation, Hitler would have probably remained, just what he was, a vile revolutionary misfit, who was incapable of doing a proper days work, so WWII would have been avoided! :y
I always considered it strange, that Hitler is quite rightly reviled, but the French despot Napoleon is revered by the French with every other road and placed named after him! :o :o :o
We may not agree on HS2 Rods2, but on this one we think the same! :D :D :y :y :y
Always remember the hundred of years we fought the French, and Spanish, whilst Germany / Prussia / Austria-Hungarian Empire was an ally of Great Britain and stood with us against the French threat in the form of Napoleon, and previously over hundreds of years our cultures grew alongside each other. But for the Prussian army arriving in the nick of time at Waterloo in 1815 Wellington was well on the way to losing the Battle.
During The Great War the French Allied Commander, General Foch, in 1918 tried very hard to preserve French troops during the third Battle of the Somme at the expense of British troops who had already paid too higher a price in fighting on French soil. After the War, during the Versailles Treaty negotiations during 1919, which were very prolonged and complex, the French continued to attempt to get the best deals for themselves at the expense of the British Empire, supported by an anti-imperialist Woodrow Wilson, President of the United States who was trying to build the American 100 years of power also at the expense of the British. The conclusion for me? We can never trust the French, nor Americans as much as I love them, and should always champion our own objectives in the World. The Germans can be dangerous, yes, but as I stated before, we are actually natural allies due to blood line, Royal Families, foundations of language, culture, and general ability to work together. They, and us, are proud nations with strong military and business backgrounds. You cannot say all that about any other nation. :y :y :y :y :y
SORRY!! Somehow I have managed to repeat this post, and I do not know now with the new system how to delete it!! :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[
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Just out of curiosity, Lizzie.......had Hitler not gone on the invasion and war course (he probably would have still had Austria) what do you think would have happened to Germany. Would there have been a holocaust as we know it, or would he have done an Idi Amin and just booted out the jewish populace.
Purely hypothetical, I know, but interested what you think would have happened :y
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Just out of curiosity, Lizzie.......had Hitler not gone on the invasion and war course (he probably would have still had Austria) what do you think would have happened to Germany. Would there have been a holocaust as we know it, or would he have done an Idi Amin and just booted out the jewish populace.
Purely hypothetical, I know, but interested what you think would have happened :y
A very good question!
That is what we call counter factual history, and it is very difficult to say what could have happened or not.
However terbert, my opinion is war was inevitable as Hitler knew he did not have the oil or mineral resources, let alone financial backing to keep his administration afloat, and the grand projects promised to the German people alive. He had built his Reich on the principles of superior Arian Germans who should never 'put up' with inferior people within Germany who, he believed, had wrecked it's power, wealth, and reputation by their greed and politics. He had built up a military determined to win back German losses sustained with the Versailles Treaty in 1919. He promised the German people to regain all those, and the pride of Germany. He had no choice than to use his power and military might, although top German Generals reckoned heir forces would not be ready for war until 1941. Hitler was a chancer, an opportunist, who would never settle for a lesser Reich.
To answer your question; yes he would have kicked out all Jews, Communists and other "undesirable" if he had not gone to war, and without acquisitions of other lands he would not have had the problem that six million Jews represented that they had gathered during their conquering. The Holocaust in it's final form would not have happened, as the rest of the World would not have been on the back foot and would have given all exile's, in a relatively small number than actually occurred, of the Reich shelter, as indeed many Germans themselves did to escape Nazism during the 1930s. We must never forget though that Stalin hated Jews as well and may well have also followed Hitler's lead and ejected, or worse, them from the CCCP.
But, as I stated before it is all counter factual history which at Uni we were encouraged to study, but for me that is pointless (and I said so!) as what actually happened IS history, not some day dream on "what if"!
To me Hitler had to exist as he did. Call it fate, what is planned, or the work of the Devil, that is up to the observer to decide. The facts are he did exist, and did what he did, that has (hopefully) taught mankind valuable lessons for the future, providing those in the future do not decide to ignore those lessons from history.
What is happening in Germany, and elsewhere, including the UK, is / will really put all that to the test. ;) ;)
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Thanks for that, Lizzie. :y
Yes I know its 'factual history', but its nice to occasionally get a 'what if' answer. Also unfortunately, WW2 did not get its message across, as the present genocide in african countries shows. I think its possibly due to the fact that Africa did not feature in WW2 as Europe did, especially the southern area, where todays troubles are.
I wonder if the middle east problems are in a way connected with Europes problems, in which, as in Germany today, dissent is now growing against a political unit, for want of a better saying, that are in a dictaorial way, forcing their powers on the populace, irrespective of popular opinion.
Does that make sense ??? :y
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Thanks for that, Lizzie. :y
Yes I know its 'factual history', but its nice to occasionally get a 'what if' answer. Also unfortunately, WW2 did not get its message across, as the present genocide in african countries shows. I think its possibly due to the fact that Africa did not feature in WW2 as Europe did, especially the southern area, where todays troubles are.
I wonder if the middle east problems are in a way connected with Europes problems, in which, as in Germany today, dissent is now growing against a political unit, for want of a better saying, that are in a dictaorial way, forcing their powers on the populace, irrespective of popular opinion.
Does that make sense ??? :y
Yes and no. We had a big hand in creating division in the Middle East along with the French. Partitioning of Syria/Lebanon/ Israel. But with or with out us religion is tearing the Middle east apart. Jews backed by America and Arabs backed by Russia and maybe China. Then we have the Muslims divided by Shia and Sunni and other factions with Iranian backing and Saudi backing. It is tempting to say why the hell can't they all just get on but an Arab might well say the same "why can't Protestants and Catholics get on in Northern Ireland?"
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Thanks for that, Lizzie. :y
Yes I know its 'factual history', but its nice to occasionally get a 'what if' answer. Also unfortunately, WW2 did not get its message across, as the present genocide in african countries shows. I think its possibly due to the fact that Africa did not feature in WW2 as Europe did, especially the southern area, where todays troubles are.
I wonder if the middle east problems are in a way connected with Europes problems, in which, as in Germany today, dissent is now growing against a political unit, for want of a better saying, that are in a dictaorial way, forcing their powers on the populace, irrespective of popular opinion.
Does that make sense ??? :y
Yes and no. We had a big hand in creating division in the Middle East along with the French. Partitioning of Syria/Lebanon/ Israel. But with or with out us religion is tearing the Middle east apart. Jews backed by America and Arabs backed by Russia and maybe China. Then we have the Muslims divided by Shia and Sunni and other factions with Iranian backing and Saudi backing. It is tempting to say why the hell can't they all just get on but an Arab might well say the same "why can't Protestants and Catholics get on in Northern Ireland?"
Very true Varche! :y :y
The problems in the Middle East and Afghanistan actually go back centuries, even millenium, with many armies and empires all getting stuck in and trying to rule all the tribes involved. Whereas in our part of Europe various factions and disputes are becoming a thing of the past, in the other areas and the Middle East, they are still 200-300 years away from any form of resolution.
Jesus actually warned that Jerusalem would have a very rough and turbulent future for ever, and that was 2,000 years ago. ::) ::)
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Thanks for that, Lizzie. :y
Yes I know its 'factual history', but its nice to occasionally get a 'what if' answer. Also unfortunately, WW2 did not get its message across, as the present genocide in african countries shows. I think its possibly due to the fact that Africa did not feature in WW2 as Europe did, especially the southern area, where todays troubles are.
I wonder if the middle east problems are in a way connected with Europes problems, in which, as in Germany today, dissent is now growing against a political unit, for want of a better saying, that are in a dictaorial way, forcing their powers on the populace, irrespective of popular opinion.
Does that make sense ??? :y
Counter-factual history terbert. As Varche rightly puts it the problems in the Middle East are something else, and I do not believe can be compared to the European problems that are due to other reasons, but no war...........yet! ;)
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Mis-typed error Lizzie...meant counter-factual...appologies :y
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Mis-typed error Lizzie...meant counter-factual...appologies :y
Thanks, but no need to apologize! :D :D :y :y