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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Steve B on 14 March 2013, 23:28:24
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is it fair or is it .............................................
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The ‘bedroom tax’ is not actually a tax. Rather, it is a reduction in the amount of housing benefit paid to those who — according to the local authority — have spare capacity in their homes. :y
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The idea could be described as valid, but ill thought out in the way it has been introduced, we have already seen some evidence of U Turn....... :-X
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is it fair or is it .............................................
My god, I thought from your title that they were going to tax sh*gging :o
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sssshhhh dont talk too loud or else they will.. ;D :y
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That is in next Tuesday's budget a £1 a poke, with assumption that you do it at least 5 times a week. Those that want to claim less can do so, but your name, address and claimed reduction will go on a public register, that all can view. :o :o :o :o :o :o
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That is in next Tuesday's budget a £1 a poke, with assumption that you do it at least 5 times a week. Those that want to claim less can do so, but your name, address and claimed reduction will go on a public register, that all can view. :o :o :o :o :o :o
If I can get it 5 times a week you can stick it on any register you fancy :-X
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That is in next Tuesday's budget a £1 a poke, with assumption that you do it at least 5 times a week. Those that want to claim less can do so, but your name, address and claimed reduction will go on a public register, that all can view. :o :o :o :o :o :o
If I can get it 5 times a week you can stick it on any register you fancy :-X
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
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im on the telly towards the end of the month because this dose not give thaught to people like me who are disabled and there wife has to use the spare room to sleep in some times
plus where do they think i will find 14% of my rent from my benefits this rule dose not aply to private renting so they are going after the people who are in social houseing people like me cant do a few more hours work to make up the differance
if we down size one of us will have to sleep in the lounge plus the council have done £ 40,000 worth of adaptations to my home so i can live there they will have to do the same to the house if we move what a waste of money no thought has been taken on thie its just hit them and hit them hard for one i dont know what im going to do >:( >:( >:(
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Afaik disabled people are exempt. :-\
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Afaik disabled people are exempt. :-\
At LA discretion
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21760365
He also said he would advise local authorities that discretionary support should remain in place for other "priority groups" such as disabled people whose homes have had to be significantly adapted and those with long-term medical conditions which create difficulties in sharing a bedroom.
Seems to cover ozzycats position quite clearly.
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In my opinion it is fair simply because people who rent privately only get what the state deem necessary for their requirements and pay housing benefit accordingly. For example a single person needs a bedroom, living room, kitchen and bathroom and if the average rent for that kind of accomodation in the locale is £60 per week then that is the amount paid. If they wish to live in a larger property then they contribute to the rent. So why should a single person in social housing in say a three bedroom house have all their rent paid regardless of their needs? If someone is disabled and two people live in the property then the requirement increases and so should the amount of housing benefit.
So you either pay housing benefit covering all rent to all claimants whether private or social housing regardless of actual need or you restrict benefit to actual need. You simply can't go on discrimating against those who rent privately it must be an even playing field.
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Afaik disabled people are exempt. :-\
no there not thats why i have to aply for discretion pay ment to which ine not had an answer to yet
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In my opinion it is fair simply because people who rent privately only get what the state deem necessary for their requirements and pay housing benefit accordingly. For example a single person needs a bedroom, living room, kitchen and bathroom and if the average rent for that kind of accomodation in the locale is £60 per week then that is the amount paid. If they wish to live in a larger property then they contribute to the rent. So why should a single person in social housing in say a three bedroom house have all their rent paid regardless of their needs? If someone is disabled and two people live in the property then the requirement increases and so should the amount of housing benefit.
So you either pay housing benefit covering all rent to all claimants whether private or social housing regardless of actual need or you restrict benefit to actual need. You simply can't go on discrimating against those who rent privately it must be an even playing field.
[/quote sorry mate but private renting dose not come in to this because they pay what the landlord asks for in rent ive looked in to this
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In my opinion it is fair simply because people who rent privately only get what the state deem necessary for their requirements and pay housing benefit accordingly. For example a single person needs a bedroom, living room, kitchen and bathroom and if the average rent for that kind of accomodation in the locale is £60 per week then that is the amount paid. If they wish to live in a larger property then they contribute to the rent. So why should a single person in social housing in say a three bedroom house have all their rent paid regardless of their needs? If someone is disabled and two people live in the property then the requirement increases and so should the amount of housing benefit.
So you either pay housing benefit covering all rent to all claimants whether private or social housing regardless of actual need or you restrict benefit to actual need. You simply can't go on discrimating against those who rent privately it must be an even playing field.
[/quote sorry mate but private renting dose not come in to this because they pay what the landlord asks for in rent ive looked in to this
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No they don't!!!! They pay what they deem a person needs, it was changed several years ago. The council would pay all the rent on a private property but after a change in the system if you moved you only got what was deemed you needed
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I just find the whole idea absolutely crazy >:(
So you can't have a spare room and have visitors ???
We have a housing crisis, there are not the properties available to allow downsizing....
I don't like to bring immigration into it, but facts must be faced......
Where are all the thousands of single immigrants from wherever living......in properties that people wishing to downsize could move into?? If not, then I assume every town is full of thousands of people sleeping rough or everyone has purchased or rented their own property. Again, taking homes out of the system for people already here.
How long will it be that us private home owners like me with a spare room are told to move out. >:(
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all i know is that this is what the letters from the goverment and council have stated so read it the way you want all i know is that if i dont get discrepancy paymenta i will have to pay this means that 2 days aweek nwithout electric and gas and our food bill will have to come down bi 29 pound per week this is how we have aorked out our budjet ie_ somuch for food /gas /electric /water rates and so on this never changes from month to month we got 1% rise in our benefits this byear thats esa my wife got 1% rise in her carers allowence wich ment that my esa actualy went down by 65p work that one out i agree that the deficit has to come dpwn but its too easy to pick on people like me who cant fight back no thought has been given to genuine disabled peopke we are all been treat like we are fidleing the system
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I'm with you on this ozzycat. My wife and I are both disabled, but fortunately I can still walk and get about, but she can't. We have just bought our 3 bedroom bungalow, because it allowed 1 bedroom for our son, 1 for the wife, and the other is stuffed with her equipment i.e. electric lift, commode, 2 wheelchairs, bath lift etc... Me ? I sleep in the lounge.. :(
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I'm with you on this ozzycat. My wife and I are both disabled, but fortunately I can still walk and get about, but she can't. We have just bought our 3 bedroom bungalow, because it allowed 1 bedroom for our son, 1 for the wife, and the other is stuffed with her equipment i.e. electric lift, commode, 2 wheelchairs, bath lift etc... Me ? I sleep in the lounge.. :(
they are picking on the wrong people mate
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I'm with you on this ozzycat. My wife and I are both disabled, but fortunately I can still walk and get about, but she can't. We have just bought our 3 bedroom bungalow, because it allowed 1 bedroom for our son, 1 for the wife, and the other is stuffed with her equipment i.e. electric lift, commode, 2 wheelchairs, bath lift etc... Me ? I sleep in the lounge.. :(
they are picking on the wrong people mate
I absolutely agree, but in this instance why should people in private rented accomodation (because no social housing is available), be treated differently from those in social housing. ??? :(
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All the unemployed, disabled and old people should be shot in front of their families. Selfish bastards.
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All the unemployed, disabled and old people should be shot in front of their families. Selfish bastards.
well tthats The Houses of Parliment sorted then :D
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All the unemployed, disabled and old people should be shot in front of their families. Selfish bastards.
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All the unemployed, disabled and old people should be shot in front of their families. Selfish bastards.
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:D :D :D great sombody with some sense at last ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :-X :-X :-X
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The Government (Tories) are well aware that even if people wished to move (which most do not) there is a dearth of smaller properties available for them to move to.
Therefore this is simply a tax on the poorest in society. :-\
Are people not allowed a spare room for when friends and family visit?. Sadly not, according to the nasty party. :-\
Meanwhile, Cameron and Osborne will be pushing for a tax cut for the super rich.........and telling Europe that a cap on bankers bonus payments of 100% ( which all 26 EU countries agreed to apart from us) is not acceptable.
It's a crazy world. :(
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The Government (Tories) are well aware that even if people wished to move (which most do not) there is a dearth of smaller properties available for them to move to.
Therefore this is simply a tax on the poorest in society. :-\
Are people not allowed a spare room for when friends and family visit?. Sadly not, according to the nasty party. :-\
Meanwhile, Cameron and Osborne will be pushing for a tax cut for the super rich.........and telling Europe that a cap on bankers bonus payments of 100% ( which all 26 EU countries agreed to apart from us) is not acceptable.
It's a crazy world. :(
Sadly not for those renting privately, a policy brought in by the last Labour government >:( >:(
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I read somewhere that the council tax benefits sytem is changing.
It will soon be called the coucil tax support scheme
The scheme will expect working age residents at the moment receiving full C/T benefit to contribute 8.5% of their yearly bill.
They will need to do this, because government has sliced 10% from council funding.
Pensioners & people with disabilities will not be affected.
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yes we will as from april 2014 we will have to pay 25% of our council tah wich is about £300 thats not too bad its the bedroomtax wicch is imposible for us to pay its about £1100 ayear out of £6000 we get in benefits
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I read somewhere that the council tax benefits sytem is changing.
It will soon be called the coucil tax support scheme
The scheme will expect working age residents at the moment receiving full C/T benefit to contribute 8.5% of their yearly bill.
They will need to do this, because government has sliced 10% from council funding.
Pensioners & people with disabilities will not be affected.
have you got a link to where you have seen that :y
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I read somewhere that the council tax benefits sytem is changing.
It will soon be called the coucil tax support scheme
The scheme will expect working age residents at the moment receiving full C/T benefit to contribute 8.5% of their yearly bill.
They will need to do this, because government has sliced 10% from council funding.
Pensioners & people with disabilities will not be affected.
have you got a link to where you have seen that :y
it says that people that have foster kids and people who have kids in the armed forses dont have to pay people with disabilitys have to apply for dicretionsly paments to the local council but theres no funding provided for this and we will more than likely get turned down but if youve got rent arears you get it cant put a link up because i dont know how to do it sorry
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read it here
http://www.havant.gov.uk/housing-and-council-tax-benefit/changes-council-tax-benefit (http://www.havant.gov.uk/housing-and-council-tax-benefit/changes-council-tax-benefit)
The Council Tax Support Scheme
Havant Borough Council's new scheme, called the Council Tax Support Scheme, will cut the benefits bill and protect the most vulnerable people in society.
The new system will ask working age households to pay at least 8.5 per cent of their Council Tax. Changes will also be made to the Council Tax discounts on second homes and empty properties.
The new scheme will see:
- working age households will pay at least 8.5% Council Tax. Those with disabilities will be unaffected and their benefits will not change
- the second homes Council Tax discount of 10% will be removed
- the current discount for unoccupied unfurnished properties will be removed, and owners of these properties will have to pay the full Council Tax
- the Council Tax on properties that have been empty for more than two years will increase by 50%
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In daves eyes it is no longer your home.its your house for now...(why bother doing it up)
imagine mam dad and 2 kids in a 3 bed (1 girl 1 boy) teenagers..one of the kids move out.. now you must down grade or pay up..
dad got made redundant and cannot get a job..now you must pay bedroom tax.
sorry we cannot afford too,so we will move to a smaller house.
sorry but we have no 2 bedroom houses..its a long waiting list
a lot of this is due to the foreigners coming into this country ima
we have a lack of houses/jobs.cos of all these leaders opening the doors
have you noticed how dave is keeping friendly with the OAP cos they are living longer,they can sit in there 3 bed home for ever cos they are living longer
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cheers for that our council is teignbridge and theres is going to be 25% no exeptions that i can just manage but the bedroom tax is impossible nor can i downsize because one of us will have to sleep in the lounge and the council cant afford to do the adaptions again that cost £40000 last time
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In daves eyes it is no longer your home.its your house for now...(why bother doing it up)
imagine mam dad and 2 kids in a 3 bed (1 girl 1 boy) teenagers..one of the kids move out.. now you must down grade or pay up..
dad got made redundant and cannot get a job..now you must pay bedroom tax.
sorry we cannot afford too,so we will move to a smaller house.
sorry but we have no 2 bedroom houses..its a long waiting list
a lot of this is due to the foreigners coming into this country ima
we have a lack of houses/jobs.cos of all these leaders opening the doors
have you noticed how dave is keeping friendly with the OAP cos they are living longer,they can sit in there 3 bed home for ever cos thet are
living longer and every vote counts
if you have teenagers of both sexes you dont have to pay it because its against the law to have oposite sex kids in the same bedroom over the age of 11
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In daves eyes it is no longer your home.its your house for now...(why bother doing it up)
imagine mam dad and 2 kids in a 3 bed (1 girl 1 boy) teenagers..one of the kids move out.. now you must down grade or pay up..
dad got made redundant and cannot get a job..now you must pay bedroom tax.
sorry we cannot afford too,so we will move to a smaller house.
sorry but we have no 2 bedroom houses..its a long waiting list
a lot of this is due to the foreigners coming into this country ima
we have a lack of houses/jobs.cos of all these leaders opening the doors
have you noticed how dave is keeping friendly with the OAP cos they are living longer,they can sit in there 3 bed home for ever cos thet are
living longer and every vote counts
if you have teenagers of both sexes you dont have to pay it because its against the law to have oposite sex kids in the same bedroom over the age of 11
No it's not, but I believe the guidance is 10 years old anyway....... :y :y
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In daves eyes it is no longer your home.its your house for now...(why bother doing it up)
imagine mam dad and 2 kids in a 3 bed (1 girl 1 boy) teenagers..one of the kids move out.. now you must down grade or pay up..
dad got made redundant and cannot get a job..now you must pay bedroom tax.
sorry we cannot afford too,so we will move to a smaller house.
sorry but we have no 2 bedroom houses..its a long waiting list
a lot of this is due to the foreigners coming into this country ima
we have a lack of houses/jobs.cos of all these leaders opening the doors
have you noticed how dave is keeping friendly with the OAP cos they are living longer,they can sit in there 3 bed home for ever cos thet are
living longer and every vote counts
if you have teenagers of both sexes you dont have to pay it because its against the law to have oposite sex kids in the same bedroom over the age of 11
No it's not, but I believe the guidance is 10 years old anyway....... :y :y
thanks for that vamps i thought ide got it wrong :y :y :y
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Found this site : http://wearespartacus.org.uk/government-fails-to-prevent-bedroom-tax-challenge/ (http://wearespartacus.org.uk/government-fails-to-prevent-bedroom-tax-challenge/) :y
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I hope this goes the way of the poll tax.
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I hope this goes the way of the poll tax.
Yes. A cruel and ill-thought-out piece of legislation.
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They can keep their tax....I tie mine on ;) :y
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im on the telly towards the end of the month because this dose not give thaught to people like me who are disabled and there wife has to use the spare room to sleep in some times
plus where do they think i will find 14% of my rent from my benefits this rule dose not aply to private renting so they are going after the people who are in social houseing people like me cant do a few more hours work to make up the differance
if we down size one of us will have to sleep in the lounge plus the council have done £ 40,000 worth of adaptations to my home so i can live there they will have to do the same to the house if we move what a waste of money no thought has been taken on thie its just hit them and hit them hard for one i dont know what im going to do >:( >:( >:(
i just found that with my box room ,not big enough for a bed but still a bedroom >:( >:( >:(
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im on the telly towards the end of the month because this dose not give thaught to people like me who are disabled and there wife has to use the spare room to sleep in some times
plus where do they think i will find 14% of my rent from my benefits this rule dose not aply to private renting so they are going after the people who are in social houseing people like me cant do a few more hours work to make up the differance
if we down size one of us will have to sleep in the lounge plus the council have done £ 40,000 worth of adaptations to my home so i can live there they will have to do the same to the house if we move what a waste of money no thought has been taken on thie its just hit them and hit them hard for one i dont know what im going to do >:( >:( >:(
i just found that with my box room ,not big enough for a bed but still a bedroom >:( >:( >:(
the size dont seem to to come into it..at the end of the day ,its a bedroom (or a pattern part storage room) ;D ;D ;D ;D pay up :y
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im on the telly towards the end of the month because this dose not give thaught to people like me who are disabled and there wife has to use the spare room to sleep in some times
plus where do they think i will find 14% of my rent from my benefits this rule dose not aply to private renting so they are going after the people who are in social houseing people like me cant do a few more hours work to make up the differance
if we down size one of us will have to sleep in the lounge plus the council have done £ 40,000 worth of adaptations to my home so i can live there they will have to do the same to the house if we move what a waste of money no thought has been taken on thie its just hit them and hit them hard for one i dont know what im going to do >:( >:( >:(
i just found that with my box room ,not big enough for a bed but still a bedroom >:( >:( >:(
the size dont seem to to come into it..at the end of the day ,its a bedroom (or a pattern part storage room) ;D ;D ;D ;D pay up :y
its ok saying pay if you got the money >:( >:(
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yea i no but they gonna sling you out if you dont pay and put the poles in your so called home
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The ‘bedroom tax’ is not actually a tax. Rather, it is a reduction in the amount of housing benefit paid to those who — according to the local authority — have spare capacity in their homes. :y
The Poll Tax was never a tax either, it was a 'Community Charge' ;D Furantur a pauperes Utro modo potes.
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Im a full time carer my mrs had a server breakdown 15years ago she is classed as need 24/7 care
and is diagnosed with bi polar paranoid delusions and very bad anxiety and auditory and visual hallucinations
and will never be well now
for obvious reasons we haven been able to sleep in same room for over 10years now
so the bedroom tax is practically making me homeless where they hell do they think i should sleep
we was original moved to a 2 bed council house because on top of every thing else she developed claustrophober.
iv got a poped disk and curvature of spine and chronic pain from it and on pain killers so sofa is out
and was attempting to jump out of the window in a small one bedroom place
so it impossible for us to move in to a smaller place
fact is councils don't have any any way
govorment have all ready lost a case for disability discrimination in case involving children they did ask to appeal but withdrew as they knew they were on a loser
same reason apply to adults but they deny that
there is currently a urgent judicial review re disabled adults
i have informed them that we are not paying it full stop
and if they attempt to evict i will sue for discrimination
formal complain of discrimination has been made to our council and our mp who voted against it is supporting that
if they suceed in evicting us and we lose
my mrs will end up in hospital i wont give a toss and will probably burn the building to the ground
as least i have some where to sleep and they with have to pay rent for jail cell
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yea i no but they gonna sling you out if you dont pay and put the poles in your so called home
that is why they are doing it . and theres no two bedroom houses near us anyway :y :y
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got a friend that had a spinal tumor too hes totally parlised from about where your nipples are down just under his arms
original he was stuck in a flat and could not leave the flat unless a double ambulance crew carried him.
the council decided to move him to but had no where to put him after MP got involved they had to purchase a and modifi a suitable bungalow
and he need equipment stored for obvious reasons
his wife screwed his best m8 and left him after that no because of this crap council have no where to put him or move him and councile now are going to take 60quid a week off of him
the crazy thing is as im a full time carear for my wife and she classed as need 24/7 but we cant sleep in same room if i stay her there screw us
but if i move out and rent a private flat and she stays here i a 2 bed council property
there's a exemption if you need a carer to stay over night
so there have to pay for both places
but if i stay we will get charged for an extra room
is that insane or what
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Its a tax on vulnerable people in society whatever way you pronounce it ..
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Its a tax on vulnerable people in society whatever way you pronounce it ..
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Its a tax on vulnerable people in society whatever way you pronounce it ..
....a product of the nasty party. :-\....The powers that be are well aware that the majority of people to not have a suitable property they can downsize to......and if they do it's probably located 150 miles away from family and friends.
Why are people not allowed a 'spare room' to put up mother/father/ friends/family when they stay over?. :-\
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the goverment have been very quiet this week about this i wonder if they are thinking theve made a mistake
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Its a tax on vulnerable people in society whatever way you pronounce it ..
....a product of the nasty party. :-\....The powers that be are well aware that the majority of people to not have a suitable property they can downsize to......and if they do it's probably located 150 miles away from family and friends.
Why are people not allowed a 'spare room' to put up mother/father/ friends/family when they stay over?. :-\
bacause in there eyes we are not allowed family and freinds we dont have enough money
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Its a tax on vulnerable people in society whatever way you pronounce it ..
....a product of the nasty party. :-\....The powers that be are well aware that the majority of people to not have a suitable property they can downsize to......and if they do it's probably located 150 miles away from family and friends.
Why are people not allowed a 'spare room' to put up mother/father/ friends/family when they stay over?. :-\
bacause in there eyes we are not allowed family and freinds we dont have enough money
....... because certain people see certain people as less than human. :(
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Its a tax on vulnerable people in society whatever way you pronounce it ..
....a product of the nasty party. :-\....The powers that be are well aware that the majority of people to not have a suitable property they can downsize to......and if they do it's probably located 150 miles away from family and friends.
Why are people not allowed a 'spare room' to put up mother/father/ friends/family when they stay over?. :-\
bacause in there eyes we are not allowed family and freinds we dont have enough money
....... because certain people see certain people as less than human. :(
sorry mr opti i cant spell im not human according to this goverment
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>:( >:( im a grain on society >:( this is what some idiot put in the lrtters in the local rag but didnt leave his name
he actualy named me so i must know who it is the paper asked if it was ok to print and if i had a response i said yes print it but my answer would be unprintable that was what the answer they put :D :D :D
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Its a tax on vulnerable people in society whatever way you pronounce it ..
....a product of the nasty party. :-\....The powers that be are well aware that the majority of people do not have a suitable property they can downsize to......and if they do it's probably located 150 miles away from family and friends.
Why are people not allowed a 'spare room' to put up mother/father/ friends/family when they stay over?. :-\
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Its a tax on vulnerable people in society whatever way you pronounce it ..
....a product of the nasty party. :-\....The powers that be are well aware that the majority of people do not have a suitable property they can downsize to......and if they do it's probably located 150 miles away from family and friends.
Why are people not allowed a 'spare room' to put up mother/father/ friends/family when they stay over?. :-\
they think that us non humans dont have family or friends we are a non -entity so dont deserve family or friends to be honest they think that because we live on benefits that they the goverment are allowed to control all of our lives and we have no say in the matter
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ozzy..........its time to sell your body :y
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ozzy..........its time to sell your body :y
how much are you offering its a bit rough round the edges and some of the internals dont work but the hydrolics are still under warranty sence of humour is abit streched at the mo so it needs cheering up but im dojng my best sensible offers considerd :D :D :D :D :D :D :-* :-* :-*
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NO.........go on the game ;D ;D ;D ;D
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NO.........go on the game ;D ;D ;D ;D
allready am but dont tell the mrs shell want her cut :D :D
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have you gave any thought into a grow room ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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have you gave any thought into a grow room ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
yes but i need a seed supplier got the rest could make a fortune before i get caught then i use it for medical purposes how big do you reckon
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I almost got caught out by some 'growers' that I rented a house to, that they intended to convert into a 'herbal factory'..... ::)
Luckily for me my house was the last in a long line of houses that they had rented and converted into factories when they got nicked, so it was relatively intact!! ::)
Anyway the point of the story which will be of interest to Ozzy, is that the Copper told me that an average bedroom full of 6ft healthy plants is worth around £300,000 at street prices!! :o
Too be honest that seems quite a lot to me so lets assume that figure covers the lifetime of the plants with several harvests. :-\
Should just about cover your Bedroom Tax Ozzy?? :)
PS ... And no the growers didn't get their deposit back!!! ;D
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tipical copper they all ways over estimate yeald of plants
often your read drug factory raided and x amount street vale
but reality is it half a dozen plants if that and a few cutting and a bag of seeds
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I know an old couple on state benefits who have been given a huge house, the kids have all left home, loads of empty bedrooms but they won't be losing any benefits. Not only that, they're immigrant stock - Germany and Greece would you believe. Phil and Liz Glücksburg are their (real) names.
Not affected by the benefit cap either - in fact Lizzie's benefits have just gone up 16% (from £31 million to £36.1 million) http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/theroyalfamily/9966951/Queen-receives-16pc-increase-in-funding.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/theroyalfamily/9966951/Queen-receives-16pc-increase-in-funding.html)
Gawd bless er wurth evry pennee (doffs cap politely).
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tipical copper they all ways over estimate yeald of plants
often your read drug factory raided and x amount street vale
but reality is it half a dozen plants if that and a few cutting and a bag of seeds
No these guys were professionals and were growing industrial quantities of the stuff. Not only did they have about 10 terraced houses in the area but they had got into a boarded up snooker hall, an empty cinema and had rented an industrial unit on a trading estate!! :o
They got caught when the boss got pulled over for a tail light out on his car, and when they ran him through the PNC he was wanted by West Midlands police... ::) You're probably right about the exaggerated street value though. :)
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have you gave any thought into a grow room ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
yes but i need a seed supplier got the rest could make a fortune before i get caught then i use it for medical purposes how big do you reckon
Well if its just for medical purposes ill be the Guinea Pig for a few ounces :P ;D ;D ;D
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I just find the whole idea absolutely crazy >:(
So you can't have a spare room and have visitors ???
We have a housing crisis, there are not the properties available to allow downsizing....
I don't like to bring immigration into it, but facts must be faced......
Where are all the thousands of single immigrants from wherever living......in properties that people wishing to downsize could move into?? If not, then I assume every town is full of thousands of people sleeping rough or everyone has purchased or rented their own property. Again, taking homes out of the system for people already here.
How long will it be that us private home owners like me with a spare room are told to move out. >:(
Got to disagree, sorry.
Its a great idea, persuading people to downsize their taxpayer funded homes that are too big. And freeing up larger homes for those crammed in smaller properties. Its about making the best use of the assets you have, at the same time having your hands tied regarding public financies.
Pains me to say it, but good on the Tories for having the balls.
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I just find the whole idea absolutely crazy >:(
So you can't have a spare room and have visitors ???
We have a housing crisis, there are not the properties available to allow downsizing....
I don't like to bring immigration into it, but facts must be faced......
Where are all the thousands of single immigrants from wherever living......in properties that people wishing to downsize could move into?? If not, then I assume every town is full of thousands of people sleeping rough or everyone has purchased or rented their own property. Again, taking homes out of the system for people already here.
How long will it be that us private home owners like me with a spare room are told to move out. >:(
Got to disagree, sorry.
Its a great idea, persuading people to downsize their taxpayer funded homes that are too big. And freeing up larger homes for those crammed in smaller properties. Its about making the best use of the assets you have, at the same time having your hands tied regarding public financies.
Pains me to say it, but good on the Tories for having the balls.
TB i dont diagree with what there doing just the way there doing it theirs no leeway with people like me that need the 3rd bedroom for there wifes to sleep in because of the type of disability ive got when im in bed i loose control of my legs ect due to the nerve damage and the medication dose not allways work so my legs and arms kick about all night this means i get no sleep and if we didnt have the 3rd room neither would sandra either that or i kick her to death
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I just find the whole idea absolutely crazy >:(
So you can't have a spare room and have visitors ???
We have a housing crisis, there are not the properties available to allow downsizing....
I don't like to bring immigration into it, but facts must be faced......
Where are all the thousands of single immigrants from wherever living......in properties that people wishing to downsize could move into?? If not, then I assume every town is full of thousands of people sleeping rough or everyone has purchased or rented their own property. Again, taking homes out of the system for people already here.
How long will it be that us private home owners like me with a spare room are told to move out. >:(
Got to disagree, sorry.
Its a great idea, persuading people to downsize their taxpayer funded homes that are too big. And freeing up larger homes for those crammed in smaller properties. Its about making the best use of the assets you have, at the same time having your hands tied regarding public financies.
Pains me to say it, but good on the Tories for having the balls.
TB i dont diagree with what there doing just the way there doing it theirs no leeway with people like me that need the 3rd bedroom for there wifes to sleep in because of the type of disability ive got when im in bed i loose control of my legs ect due to the nerve damage and the medication dose not allways work so my legs and arms kick about all night this means i get no sleep and if we didnt have the 3rd room neither would sandra either that or i kick her to death
Trouble is, case-by-case is not viable, and too many scroungers can spin a story. So I believe in the first instance, this needs to be done blanket style, then reassess the situation.
Again, sadly, the scum of society have ruined it for the genuine, as in most walks of life.
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I just find the whole idea absolutely crazy >:(
So you can't have a spare room and have visitors ???
We have a housing crisis, there are not the properties available to allow downsizing....
I don't like to bring immigration into it, but facts must be faced......
Where are all the thousands of single immigrants from wherever living......in properties that people wishing to downsize could move into?? If not, then I assume every town is full of thousands of people sleeping rough or everyone has purchased or rented their own property. Again, taking homes out of the system for people already here.
How long will it be that us private home owners like me with a spare room are told to move out. >:(
Got to disagree, sorry.
Its a great idea, persuading people to downsize their taxpayer funded homes that are too big. And freeing up larger homes for those crammed in smaller properties. Its about making the best use of the assets you have, at the same time having your hands tied regarding public financies.
Pains me to say it, but good on the Tories for having the balls.
I agree up to a point, TB. The council has a duty to get 'best value' from it's housing stock. However, this approach is only viable if there are enough smaller properties of an equal standard in the same or adjacent area......which there are not. :-\
Therefore it simply a tax on the poor. :-\
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I know an old couple on state benefits who have been given a huge house, the kids have all left home, loads of empty bedrooms but they won't be losing any benefits. Not only that, they're immigrant stock - Germany and Greece would you believe. Phil and Liz Glücksburg are their (real) names.
Not affected by the benefit cap either - in fact Lizzie's benefits have just gone up 16% (from £31 million to £36.1 million) http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/theroyalfamily/9966951/Queen-receives-16pc-increase-in-funding.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/theroyalfamily/9966951/Queen-receives-16pc-increase-in-funding.html)
Gawd bless er wurth evry pennee (doffs cap politely).
8) (http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/17.gif)
I haven't seen a penny of that yet!! :o :o :o :o Must get on the phone in the morning ;D ;D ;D ;) ;)
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I just find the whole idea absolutely crazy >:(
So you can't have a spare room and have visitors ???
We have a housing crisis, there are not the properties available to allow downsizing....
I don't like to bring immigration into it, but facts must be faced......
Where are all the thousands of single immigrants from wherever living......in properties that people wishing to downsize could move into?? If not, then I assume every town is full of thousands of people sleeping rough or everyone has purchased or rented their own property. Again, taking homes out of the system for people already here.
How long will it be that us private home owners like me with a spare room are told to move out. >:(
Got to disagree, sorry.
Its a great idea, persuading people to downsize their taxpayer funded homes that are too big. And freeing up larger homes for those crammed in smaller properties. Its about making the best use of the assets you have, at the same time having your hands tied regarding public financies.
Pains me to say it, but good on the Tories for having the balls.
I agree up to a point, TB. The council has a duty to get 'best value' from it's housing stock. However, this approach is only viable if there are enough smaller properties of an equal standard in the same or adjacent area......which there are not. :-\
Therefore it simply a tax on the poor. :-\
......and that Opti is the key to all this. It is not just a case of downsizing; it is a case of available choice which is non-existent, so the poorest of society have to pay as they have no-where to go!
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What about working people who live in social housing? If you are, say, a middle-aged couple who's children have left your three bedroom house, but you pay your own rent. Why shouldn't they be made to move either into a smaller house with a social landlord, or told to find somewhere private?
Not saying this could or should happen, just another seemingly unfair aspect.
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What about working people who live in social housing? If you are, say, a middle-aged couple who's children have left your three bedroom house, but you pay your own rent. Why shouldn't they be made to move either into a smaller house with a social landlord, or told to find somewhere private?
Not saying this could or should happen, just another seemingly unfair aspect.
I think such people are safe. It's only a problem if you're on benefits......I think.
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Again, sadly, the scum of society have ruined it for the genuine, as in most walks of life.
You won't get a knighthood talking like that
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What about working people who live in social housing? If you are, say, a middle-aged couple who's children have left your three bedroom house, but you pay your own rent. Why shouldn't they be made to move either into a smaller house with a social landlord, or told to find somewhere private?
Not saying this could or should happen, just another seemingly unfair aspect.
steve because they pay there own rent they can do what they want which is only right but its like being told where you can live or not ive got no problems with that what gets up my nose is some bureaucrat in London who dose not know my position telling me how and where i can live when i need the 3rd room he just sees my house 3 bedrooms 3 people they cant live there toomany rooms dose not turn the page where it says severly disabled wife sleeps in 3 rd bedroom under docs orders its victomization agenst the disabled and if i could aford to sue them i would theres a law against discriminating agenst the disabled
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What about working people who live in social housing? If you are, say, a middle-aged couple who's children have left your three bedroom house, but you pay your own rent. Why shouldn't they be made to move either into a smaller house with a social landlord, or told to find somewhere private?
Not saying this could or should happen, just another seemingly unfair aspect.
steve because they pay there own rent they can do what they want which is only right but its like being told where you can live or not ive got no problems with that what gets up my nose is some bureaucrat in London who dose not know my position telling me how and where i can live when i need the 3rd room he just sees my house 3 bedrooms 3 people they cant live there toomany rooms dose not turn the page where it says severly disabled wife sleeps in 3 rd bedroom under docs orders its victomization agenst the disabled and if i could aford to sue them i would theres a law against discriminating agenst the disabled
That's what I meant to say, but Ozzycat has put it better. :y
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i recived a letter from teignbridge council on saturday ive got to be means tested for this discerpancy payment i dont know why they have got an income and expenditure form done by cab they know what benefits um getting plus my last bank statement so theres nothing new i can tell them all this i had to provide when i filled the form out
just another exuse not to pay me and get me evicted
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Here is a new one for you, how about a rule that says that any family who earn over a certain amount, say joint income of £50k can not live in Social Housing, they should rent privately or buy, I know of a number of people on very good money living in a Council House, and such a rule would free up a lot of houses............ :y :y
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Here is a new one for you, how about a rule that says that any family who earn over a certain amount, say joint income of £50k can not live in Social Housing, they should rent privately or buy, I know of a number of people on very good money living in a Council House, and such a rule would free up a lot of houses............ :y :y
Good idea, Buck Hice would go for a start, and that nice detached country hice in Windsor ;D.
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Sent dave a txt saying give us a ring when your free :y. He rang me back 5 min later.I ranted on how it is wrong for the tax payer to have to come up with 10 million quid to send maggie on her way..after a lot of debate,he agreed with me. :y
Said give me 10 mins and i will ring you back.10 min later phone rang and yes it was dave..
This is what ive decided a maggie tax and the only people who will pay is them who are paying bedroom tax ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Sent dave a txt saying give us a ring when your free :y. He rang me back 5 min later.I ranted on how it is wrong for the tax payer to have to come up with 10 million quid to send maggie on her way..after a lot of debate,he agreed with me. :y
Said give me 10 mins and i will ring you back.10 min later phone rang and yes it was dave..
This is what ive decided a maggie tax and the only people who will pay is them who are paying bedroom tax ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrhhhhhhhhhhhhhh !!!!!! >:( where's me blood pressure tablets
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Here is a new one for you, how about a rule that says that any family who earn over a certain amount, say joint income of £50k can not live in Social Housing, they should rent privately or buy, I know of a number of people on very good money living in a Council House, and such a rule would free up a lot of houses............ :y :y
I see your point, Mike, but I think the point I was making has more validity. If, as the government says, the point of the 'bedroom tax' is to free up housing, not save money, then I think it would be fair to ask everyone in under-used property to take part.
I think asking people who utilise every room to move would be counter-productive, if the governments criteria was applied.
I live in social housing and my wife earns more than 50K, but it certainly wasn't the case when we moved in and moving to a similar sized, private dwelling wouldn't free up anything, although it would probably make some people feel better.
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My neighbours, for a start..... ;D
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Here is a new one for you, how about a rule that says that any family who earn over a certain amount, say joint income of £50k can not live in Social Housing, they should rent privately or buy, I know of a number of people on very good money living in a Council House, and such a rule would free up a lot of houses............ :y :y
I see your point, Mike, but I think the point I was making has more validity. If, as the government says, the point of the 'bedroom tax' is to free up housing, not save money, then I think it would be fair to ask everyone in under-used property to take part.
I think asking people who utilise every room to move would be counter-productive, if the governments criteria was applied.
I live in social housing and my wife earns more than 50K, but it certainly wasn't the case when we moved in and moving to a similar sized, private dwelling wouldn't free up anything, although it would probably make some people feel better.
Why?. .....Confused of Lincolnshire. ??? ??? ???
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Use of the English Language ..... please copy to Liebore
A "Tax" .... ........... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax
"A tax (from the Latin taxo; "I estimate") is a financial charge or other levy imposed upon a taxpayer (an individual or legal entity) by a state or the functional equivalent of a state such that failure to pay is punishable by law."
Now, I know I'm thick .. but how does a "reduction in benefit" suddenly become a "tax" ???...
However, never let the truth get in the way of a good headline :)
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Here is a new one for you, how about a rule that says that any family who earn over a certain amount, say joint income of £50k can not live in Social Housing, they should rent privately or buy, I know of a number of people on very good money living in a Council House, and such a rule would free up a lot of houses............ :y :y
Or they pay the market rate in rent which is fair.
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Well...luckily for me...you lot are not in power ;D
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In 2005, or there abouts, the government introduced a new set of 'rules'. You may have noticed thousands of 'council houses' being 'upgraded'. Housing associations took over these properties from local councils and were able to borrow the money to improve them. In return they were allowed to raise the rent to cover the repayments. Our rent has gone up about 70% in five years.
The big idea is that, by 2015, public sector rents will more or less reflect private sector rents.
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Use of the English Language ..... please copy to Liebore
A "Tax" .... ........... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax
"A tax (from the Latin taxo; "I estimate") is a financial charge or other levy imposed upon a taxpayer (an individual or legal entity) by a state or the functional equivalent of a state such that failure to pay is punishable by law."
Now, I know I'm thick .. but how does a "reduction in benefit" suddenly become a "tax" ???...
However, never let the truth get in the way of a good headline :)
If your wage packet/giro/benefit cheque contains £150 one week, and £125 the next and the missing £25 has been taken by the government then it's an indirect form of taxation. :-\
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Here is a new one for you, how about a rule that says that any family who earn over a certain amount, say joint income of £50k can not live in Social Housing, they should rent privately or buy, I know of a number of people on very good money living in a Council House, and such a rule would free up a lot of houses............ :y :y
I see your point, Mike, but I think the point I was making has more validity. If, as the government says, the point of the 'bedroom tax' is to free up housing, not save money, then I think it would be fair to ask everyone in under-used property to take part.
I think asking people who utilise every room to move would be counter-productive, if the governments criteria was applied.
I live in social housing and my wife earns more than 50K, but it certainly wasn't the case when we moved in and moving to a similar sized, private dwelling wouldn't free up anything, although it would probably make some people feel better.
Why?. .....Confused of Lincolnshire. ??? ??? ???
You need to change your username to befuddled or something ;D
In answer to your question: Because they have been there for years, often since they were a young couple starting a family. Living in a council house wasn't always the privilege it seems to be considered these days.
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In 2005, or there abouts, the government introduced a new set of 'rules'. You may have noticed thousands of 'council houses' being 'upgraded'. Housing associations took over these properties from local councils and were able to borrow the money to improve them. In return they were allowed to raise the rent to cover the repayments. Our rent has gone up about 70% in five years.
The big idea is that, by 2015, public sector rents will more or less reflect private sector rents.
In 1984 we moved into a privately rented flat. The rent was initially £69 a month. When we moved out in 1990 to buy our first house the rent was £119 :o :o :o..........a rise of some 75%. I understand that the current rent (2013) is £725 PCM. :-\
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Here is a new one for you, how about a rule that says that any family who earn over a certain amount, say joint income of £50k can not live in Social Housing, they should rent privately or buy, I know of a number of people on very good money living in a Council House, and such a rule would free up a lot of houses............ :y :y
I see your point, Mike, but I think the point I was making has more validity. If, as the government says, the point of the 'bedroom tax' is to free up housing, not save money, then I think it would be fair to ask everyone in under-used property to take part.
I think asking people who utilise every room to move would be counter-productive, if the governments criteria was applied.
I live in social housing and my wife earns more than 50K, but it certainly wasn't the case when we moved in and moving to a similar sized, private dwelling wouldn't free up anything, although it would probably make some people feel better.
Why?. .....Confused of Lincolnshire. ??? ??? ???
You need to change your username to befuddled or something ;D
In answer to your question: Because they have been there for years, often since they were a young couple starting a family. Living in a council house wasn't always the privilege it seems to be considered these days.
I see your point, Steve.......but renting a property when you have the means to buy it (or another property) doesn't make sense to me, as rent money will always be 'dead money'. ;)
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Use of the English Language ..... please copy to Liebore
A "Tax" .... ........... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax
"A tax (from the Latin taxo; "I estimate") is a financial charge or other levy imposed upon a taxpayer (an individual or legal entity) by a state or the functional equivalent of a state such that failure to pay is punishable by law."
Now, I know I'm thick .. but how does a "reduction in benefit" suddenly become a "tax" ???...
However, never let the truth get in the way of a good headline :)
If your wage packet/giro/benefit cheque contains £150 one week, and £125 the next and the missing £25 has been taken by the government then it's an indirect form of taxation. :-\
You'll have to explain that one to me I'm afraid ....
I give you £150 one week .... and the next I give you £125 .... I agree I have GIVEN you less ... but just how have I TAKEN anything ???
And a tax is a "take" that is punishable by imprisonment if not paid .... the whole £150 could be "not given" and the recipient would not go to prison ... so it is NOT a tax ... direct or indirect .. it is, and always will be .. a reduction in benefit.
and BTW .. the government has no money .. it just redistributes other peoples .. so the government takes and gives no money whatsover .. it comes from taxpayers and is given to non-taxpayers.
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In 2005, or there abouts, the government introduced a new set of 'rules'. You may have noticed thousands of 'council houses' being 'upgraded'. Housing associations took over these properties from local councils and were able to borrow the money to improve them. In return they were allowed to raise the rent to cover the repayments. Our rent has gone up about 70% in five years.
The big idea is that, by 2015, public sector rents will more or less reflect private sector rents.
In 1984 we moved into a privately rented flat. The rent was initially £69 a month. When we moved out in 1990 to buy our first house the rent was £119 :o :o :o..........a rise of some 75%. I understand that the current rent (2013) is £725 PCM. :-\
Penthouse flats don't count. ;D
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Use of the English Language ..... please copy to Liebore
A "Tax" .... ........... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax
"A tax (from the Latin taxo; "I estimate") is a financial charge or other levy imposed upon a taxpayer (an individual or legal entity) by a state or the functional equivalent of a state such that failure to pay is punishable by law."
Now, I know I'm thick .. but how does a "reduction in benefit" suddenly become a "tax" ???...
However, never let the truth get in the way of a good headline :)
If your wage packet/giro/benefit cheque contains £150 one week, and £125 the next and the missing £25 has been taken by the government then it's an indirect form of taxation. :-\
You'll have to explain that one to me I'm afraid ....
I give you £150 one week .... and the next I give you £125 .... I agree I have GIVEN you less ... but just how have I TAKEN anything ???
And a tax is a "take" that is punishable by imprisonment if not paid .... the whole £150 could be "not given" and the recipient would not go to prison ... so it is NOT a tax ... direct or indirect .. it is, and always will be .. a reduction in benefit.
and BTW .. the government has no money .. it just redistributes other peoples .. so the government takes and gives no money whatsover .. it comes from taxpayers and is given to non-taxpayers.
You and I could play with semantics till the cows come home, Mr Entwood, but 'the bedroom tax' is still just a cleverly packaged way of taking money from the poorest in society. :y
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Use of the English Language ..... please copy to Liebore
A "Tax" .... ........... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax
"A tax (from the Latin taxo; "I estimate") is a financial charge or other levy imposed upon a taxpayer (an individual or legal entity) by a state or the functional equivalent of a state such that failure to pay is punishable by law."
Now, I know I'm thick .. but how does a "reduction in benefit" suddenly become a "tax" ???...
However, never let the truth get in the way of a good headline :)
If your wage packet/giro/benefit cheque contains £150 one week, and £125 the next and the missing £25 has been taken by the government then it's an indirect form of taxation. :-\
You'll have to explain that one to me I'm afraid ....
I give you £150 one week .... and the next I give you £125 .... I agree I have GIVEN you less ... but just how have I TAKEN anything ???
And a tax is a "take" that is punishable by imprisonment if not paid .... the whole £150 could be "not given" and the recipient would not go to prison ... so it is NOT a tax ... direct or indirect .. it is, and always will be .. a reduction in benefit.
and BTW .. the government has no money .. it just redistributes other peoples .. so the government takes and gives no money whatsover .. it comes from taxpayers and is given to non-taxpayers.
You and I could play with semantics till the cows come home, Mr Entwood, but 'the bedroom tax' is still just a cleverly packaged way of taking money from the poorest in society. :y
or ..more accurately..... "not giving as much to those that don't need it"... (plenty of safeguards being put in place to ensure those that DO need it get it .. :) )
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Use of the English Language ..... please copy to Liebore
A "Tax" .... ........... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax
"A tax (from the Latin taxo; "I estimate") is a financial charge or other levy imposed upon a taxpayer (an individual or legal entity) by a state or the functional equivalent of a state such that failure to pay is punishable by law."
Now, I know I'm thick .. but how does a "reduction in benefit" suddenly become a "tax" ???...
However, never let the truth get in the way of a good headline :)
If your wage packet/giro/benefit cheque contains £150 one week, and £125 the next and the missing £25 has been taken by the government then it's an indirect form of taxation. :-\
You'll have to explain that one to me I'm afraid ....
I give you £150 one week .... and the next I give you £125 .... I agree I have GIVEN you less ... but just how have I TAKEN anything ???
And a tax is a "take" that is punishable by imprisonment if not paid .... the whole £150 could be "not given" and the recipient would not go to prison ... so it is NOT a tax ... direct or indirect .. it is, and always will be .. a reduction in benefit.
and BTW .. the government has no money .. it just redistributes other peoples .. so the government takes and gives no money whatsover .. it comes from taxpayers and is given to non-taxpayers.
You and I could play with semantics till the cows come home, Mr Entwood, but 'the bedroom tax' is still just a cleverly packaged way of taking money from the poorest in society. :y
or ..more accurately..... "not giving as much to those that don't need it"... (plenty of safeguards being put in place to ensure those that DO need it get it .. :) )
........and that leads us neatly back to wealthy pensioners. :)
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Use of the English Language ..... please copy to Liebore
A "Tax" .... ........... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax
"A tax (from the Latin taxo; "I estimate") is a financial charge or other levy imposed upon a taxpayer (an individual or legal entity) by a state or the functional equivalent of a state such that failure to pay is punishable by law."
Now, I know I'm thick .. but how does a "reduction in benefit" suddenly become a "tax" ???...
However, never let the truth get in the way of a good headline :)
If your wage packet/giro/benefit cheque contains £150 one week, and £125 the next and the missing £25 has been taken by the government then it's an indirect form of taxation. :-\
You'll have to explain that one to me I'm afraid ....
I give you £150 one week .... and the next I give you £125 .... I agree I have GIVEN you less ... but just how have I TAKEN anything ???
And a tax is a "take" that is punishable by imprisonment if not paid .... the whole £150 could be "not given" and the recipient would not go to prison ... so it is NOT a tax ... direct or indirect .. it is, and always will be .. a reduction in benefit.
and BTW .. the government has no money .. it just redistributes other peoples .. so the government takes and gives no money whatsover .. it comes from taxpayers and is given to non-taxpayers.
You and I could play with semantics till the cows come home, Mr Entwood, but 'the bedroom tax' is still just a cleverly packaged way of taking money from the poorest in society. :y
or ..more accurately..... "not giving as much to those that don't need it"... (plenty of safeguards being put in place to ensure those that DO need it get it .. :) )
no there isnt take no notice what youv been told there is no provision for people like me the money that the gov has given to councils to sort this out is the same money they give each year for rent arears no extra has been given for helping people in my situation
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Use of the English Language ..... please copy to Liebore
A "Tax" .... ........... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax
"A tax (from the Latin taxo; "I estimate") is a financial charge or other levy imposed upon a taxpayer (an individual or legal entity) by a state or the functional equivalent of a state such that failure to pay is punishable by law."
Now, I know I'm thick .. but how does a "reduction in benefit" suddenly become a "tax" ???...
However, never let the truth get in the way of a good headline :)
If your wage packet/giro/benefit cheque contains £150 one week, and £125 the next and the missing £25 has been taken by the government then it's an indirect form of taxation. :-\
You'll have to explain that one to me I'm afraid ....
I give you £150 one week .... and the next I give you £125 .... I agree I have GIVEN you less ... but just how have I TAKEN anything ???
And a tax is a "take" that is punishable by imprisonment if not paid .... the whole £150 could be "not given" and the recipient would not go to prison ... so it is NOT a tax ... direct or indirect .. it is, and always will be .. a reduction in benefit.
and BTW .. the government has no money .. it just redistributes other peoples .. so the government takes and gives no money whatsover .. it comes from taxpayers and is given to non-taxpayers.
You and I could play with semantics till the cows come home, Mr Entwood, but 'the bedroom tax' is still just a cleverly packaged way of taking money from the poorest in society. :y
or ..more accurately..... "not giving as much to those that don't need it"... (plenty of safeguards being put in place to ensure those that DO need it get it .. :) )
........and that leads us neatly back to wealthy pensioners. :)
Touche, young Opti. ;D
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In 2005, or there abouts, the government introduced a new set of 'rules'. You may have noticed thousands of 'council houses' being 'upgraded'. Housing associations took over these properties from local councils and were able to borrow the money to improve them. In return they were allowed to raise the rent to cover the repayments. Our rent has gone up about 70% in five years.
The big idea is that, by 2015, public sector rents will more or less reflect private sector rents.
In 1984 we moved into a privately rented flat. The rent was initially £69 a month. When we moved out in 1990 to buy our first house the rent was £119 :o :o :o..........a rise of some 75%. I understand that the current rent (2013) is £725 PCM. :-\
Penthouse flats don't count. ;D
A one bed flat with no central heating. The ice that collected on the inside of the windows made some lovely pretty patterns. :y
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I had a 'room' in Fulham in 1991. One single bed, one fridge, a TV, a microwave and a wardrobe. £95 a week. Shared bathroom and kitchen which were...erm....yuk. God knows what that would cost now.
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I had a 'room' in Fulham in 1991. One single bed, one fridge, a TV, a microwave and a wardrobe. £95 a week. Shared bathroom and kitchen which were...erm....yuk. God knows what that would cost now.
£380 a month....in 1991:o :o :o
So you were 'minted' even way back then. ;)
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I had a 'room' in Fulham in 1991. One single bed, one fridge, a TV, a microwave and a wardrobe. £95 a week. Shared bathroom and kitchen which were...erm....yuk. God knows what that would cost now.
£380 a month....in 1991:o :o :o
So you were 'minted' even way back then. ;)
Of course I was. That's why I was living in one room. I had to be at work for 7 and sometimes didn't leave till midnight so I needed to be close to avoid lateness/night buses.