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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: r1 on 19 March 2013, 18:08:14
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i know what my omega can tow but can a modified omega tow more or less?
i dont mean a blinged up car i mean a limo or a hearse
a part of me says it can tow more as it will be a bigger car or is it the same?
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It can tow the difference between the gross vehicle weight and the gross train weight,if it's been made heavier there's a good chance that it can't tow as much as a standard car.
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Any car can tow twice more weight. Problem is brakes are not designed for triple weight.
I towed twice more weight, speed was about 35-40 mph, it was really scary and stupid.
I towed Chevrolet Suburban (about 6000 lb.) by Jeep Cherokee (about 3000 lb.) Jeep was 4x4
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Any car can tow twice more weight. Problem is brakes are not designed for triple weight.
I towed twice more weight, speed was about 35-40 mph, it was really scary and stupid.
I towed Chevrolet Suburban (about 6000 lb.) by Jeep Cherokee (about 3000 lb.) Jeep was 4x4
Not this side of the pond it can't,laws against such happenings ::)
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Any car can tow twice more weight. Problem is brakes are not designed for triple weight.
I towed twice more weight, speed was about 35-40 mph, it was really scary and stupid.
I towed Chevrolet Suburban (about 6000 lb.) by Jeep Cherokee (about 3000 lb.) Jeep was 4x4
In a field on its own perhaps..... but safely on a public highway surrounded by other vehicles .... no chance
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Any car can tow twice more weight. Problem is brakes are not designed for triple weight.
I towed twice more weight, speed was about 35-40 mph, it was really scary and stupid.
I towed Chevrolet Suburban (about 6000 lb.) by Jeep Cherokee (about 3000 lb.) Jeep was 4x4
Unfortuneately the towing weights are very much different in the UK than in the US, I have been horified what my friends can be allowed to tow in the states. :o :o just wish we could get away with what you do over there. :y :y
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Any car can tow twice more weight. Problem is brakes are not designed for triple weight.
I towed twice more weight, speed was about 35-40 mph, it was really scary and stupid.
I towed Chevrolet Suburban (about 6000 lb.) by Jeep Cherokee (about 3000 lb.) Jeep was 4x4
Not in UK mate - your misguided comments re towing twice vehicle weight are not helpful on a UK forum ::)
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Any car can tow twice more weight. Problem is brakes are not designed for triple weight.
I towed twice more weight, speed was about 35-40 mph, it was really scary and stupid.
I towed Chevrolet Suburban (about 6000 lb.) by Jeep Cherokee (about 3000 lb.) Jeep was 4x4
Not in UK mate - your misguided comments re towing twice vehicle weight are not helpful on a UK forum ::)
Dont want to sound picky but are we a UK Forum?, UK based, yes but we have quiet a few members from outside the UK :y
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Any car can tow twice more weight. Problem is brakes are not designed for triple weight.
I towed twice more weight, speed was about 35-40 mph, it was really scary and stupid.
I towed Chevrolet Suburban (about 6000 lb.) by Jeep Cherokee (about 3000 lb.) Jeep was 4x4
Not in UK mate - your misguided comments re towing twice vehicle weight are not helpful on a UK forum ::)
Dont want to sound picky but are we a UK Forum?, UK based, yes but we have quiet a few members from outside the UK :y
Yes but OP is in the UK ::) ::)
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Any car can tow twice more weight. Problem is brakes are not designed for triple weight.
I towed twice more weight, speed was about 35-40 mph, it was really scary and stupid.
I towed Chevrolet Suburban (about 6000 lb.) by Jeep Cherokee (about 3000 lb.) Jeep was 4x4
Not in UK mate - your misguided comments re towing twice vehicle weight are not helpful on a UK forum ::)
Dont want to sound picky but are we a UK Forum?, UK based, yes but we have quiet a few members from outside the UK :y
Yes but OP is in the UK ::) ::)
There is a Nottingham in Hew Hampshire! :P
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Towing weight is as stipulated on the VIN plate. the highest number is the GTM, or gross train mass. I very much doubt that the extended or rough-road Omegas had any different to standard.
In addition, UK law prevents the trailer weighing more than the towing car.
This, of course, makes it completely illegal to tow an Omega behind an Omega for example
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So A Frames vs legal again ????
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Any car can tow twice more weight. Problem is brakes are not designed for triple weight.
I towed twice more weight, speed was about 35-40 mph, it was really scary and stupid.
I towed Chevrolet Suburban (about 6000 lb.) by Jeep Cherokee (about 3000 lb.) Jeep was 4x4
Not in UK mate - your misguided comments re towing twice vehicle weight are not helpful on a UK forum ::)
Dont want to sound picky but are we a UK Forum?, UK based, yes but we have quiet a few members from outside the UK :y
Yes but OP is in the UK ::) ::)
There is a Nottingham in Hew Hampshire! :P
;D ;D ;D
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In addition, UK law prevents the trailer weighing more than the towing car.
Not strictly true, unless there has been a recent change... A Landy/Disco/Range Rover (and probably other 4x4's) can legally tow heavier trailers than they are, especially with air braked trailers.
Without, of course, mentioning Artics where the tractor units generally weigh around 8T and the trailer 34T
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In addition, UK law prevents the trailer weighing more than the towing car. ...
:-\ :-\ :-\ Not sure you're right there :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\
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In addition, UK law prevents the trailer weighing more than the towing car. ...
:-\ :-\ :-\ Not sure you're right there :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\
Aye,my disco weighing 2.25 tons can legally tow 3.5 tons :y
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If towing a braked trailer on a B only licence, then the trailer must not weigh more than the tow car, and the combined mass of both must not exceed 3500Kgs or the Max Train weight of the tow vehicle, whichever is the lower.
If you have a B+E licence (or grandfather rights) then you can exceed the 3500 kgs and you can tow up to the tow vehicles permitted Max Train Weight.
Seemples :)
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In addition, UK law prevents the trailer weighing more than the towing car. ...
:-\ :-\ :-\ Not sure you're right there :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\
Aye,my disco weighing 2.25 tons can legally tow 3.5 tons :y
Aside from roughty toughty 4x4's I was under the impression that you could tow a caravan such that you didn't exceed the max train weight (all but 4 tonnes for an Omega) :-\
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If towing a braked trailer on a B only licence, then the trailer must not weigh more than the tow car, and the combined mass of both must not exceed 3500Kgs or the Max Train weight of the tow vehicle, whichever is the lower.
If you have a B+E licence (or grandfather rights) then you can exceed the 3500 kgs and you can tow up to the tow vehicles permitted Max Train Weight.
Seemples :)
I thought I was right ;) ;) ;)
It's to hoped that Stu isn't called as an expert towing witness! ::) ::) ::)
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i think i should have said i dont want to know the law etc ;D ;D
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i think i should have said i dont want to know the law etc ;D ;D
;D ;D ;D
Just rely on what the weight 'plate' says on the B post and you won't go wrong :y
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In addition, UK law prevents the trailer weighing more than the towing car. ...
:-\ :-\ :-\ Not sure you're right there :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\
Aye,my disco weighing 2.25 tons can legally tow 3.5 tons :y
It has the physical capability to tow 3.5 tonnes on private land but not on the Queens highway.
As I understand things anyway.
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Just done a training course on this ::) ::) ::) & weigh bridges
Taken from the course notes:-
Car towing weight and width limits
Most cars have a maximum weight of what they can tow. It’s usually listed in the handbook or specification sheet.
Alternatively the vehicle’s gross train weight may be listed on the vehicle identification number (VIN) plate on the car. This is normally under the bonnet or inside the driver’s door. The gross train weight is the weight of the fully loaded car plus fully loaded trailer and must not be exceeded.
If your VIN plate doesn’t list a train weight, you should not use your vehicle for towing.
Something I didn't know was that the goal-posts have changed again for licensing requirements from 19th Jan 2013 :o
Driving licence rules and what you can tow
The rules on what you can tow are different depending on when you passed your driving test.
Licenses issued from 19 January 2013
From 19 January 2013, drivers passing a category B (car and small vehicle) test can tow:
small trailers weighing no more than 750kg
trailers weighing more than 750kg, where the combined weight of the towing vehicle and the trailer isn’t more than 3,500kg
If you want to tow a trailer weighing more than 750kg, when the combined weight of the towing vehicle and trailer is more than 3,500kg, you’ll have to pass a further test and get B+E entitlement on your licence.
You’ll then be able to tow trailers up to 3,500kg.
Licences held from 1 January 1997
If you passed your driving test after 1 January 1997 and have an ordinary category B (car) licence, you can drive either:
a vehicle up to 3.5 tonnes or 3,500 kilograms (kg) Maximum Authorised Mass (MAM) towing a trailer of up to 750kg MAM (with a combined weight of up to 4,250kg in total)
a trailer over 750kg MAM as long as it is no more than the unladen or ‘kerb’ weight of the towing vehicle (with a combined weight of up to 3,500kg in total)
For anything heavier you need to take a category B+E driving test.
Licences held before 1 January 1997
If you passed your car test before 1 January 1997 you are generally entitled to drive a vehicle and trailer combination up to 8.25 tonnes MAM.
This is the weight of a vehicle or trailer including the maximum load that can be carried safely when it’s being used on the road.
You also have entitlement to drive a minibus with a trailer over 750kg MAM.
Towing heavier combinations
If you want to tow heavier combinations, you’ll have to first apply for provisional entitlement to the new C1+E entitlement. You’ll then have to pass the category C theory test and C1+E practical test.
Once you’ve done this you can drive vehicles and trailers with a combined weight of up to 12 tonnes MAM
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If in doubt, get a C+E licence, then you can tow absolutely anything, as long as neither the Gross Train weight on the plate nor the permitted axle loadings are not exceeded :y
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Unfortuneately the towing weights are very much different in the UK than in the US, I have been horified what my friends can be allowed to tow in the states. :o :o just wish we could get away with what you do over there. :y :y
I have a 2-wheel tow dolly with brakes.
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Something I didn't know was that the goal-posts have changed again for licensing requirements from 19th Jan 2013 :o
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I knew that something has just changed, but couldn't tell what has actually changed :-\ :-\ :-\
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In addition, UK law prevents the trailer weighing more than the towing car. ...
:-\ :-\ :-\ Not sure you're right there :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\
Aye,my disco weighing 2.25 tons can legally tow 3.5 tons :y
It has the physical capability to tow 3.5 tonnes on private land but not on the Queens highway.
As I understand things anyway.
I think you will find a Discovery can tow 3500kg braked trailers legally on the road :y
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In addition, UK law prevents the trailer weighing more than the towing car. ...
:-\ :-\ :-\ Not sure you're right there :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\
Aye,my disco weighing 2.25 tons can legally tow 3.5 tons :y
It has the physical capability to tow 3.5 tonnes on private land but not on the Queens highway.
As I understand things anyway.
I think you will find a Discovery can tow 3500kg braked trailers legally on the road :y
I thought so too, but don't have the info to hand :-\ :-\
They can tow more with a (very expensive) air brake upgrade ;) Or certainly could in the past, because I've driven one :y Very strange driving a car with air braked trailer
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In addition, UK law prevents the trailer weighing more than the towing car. ...
:-\ :-\ :-\ Not sure you're right there :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\
Aye,my disco weighing 2.25 tons can legally tow 3.5 tons :y
It has the physical capability to tow 3.5 tonnes on private land but not on the Queens highway.
As I understand things anyway.
I think you will find a Discovery can tow 3500kg braked trailers legally on the road :y
I thought so too, but don't have the info to hand :-\ :-\
They can tow more with a (very expensive) air brake upgrade ;) Or certainly could in the past, because I've driven one :y Very strange driving a car with air braked trailer
Up to 4000kg with suitable upgrade I believe :y
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Without, of course, mentioning Artics where the tractor units generally weigh around 8T and the trailer 34T
'Cos they're actually semi-trailers - ie: attached to the tractor unit via a 'fifth wheel' coupling rather than a tow-bar ... and the unit's designed for this purpose.
Semi-trailers are also subject to annual MoT testing. ;)
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Without, of course, mentioning Artics where the tractor units generally weigh around 8T and the trailer 34T
'Cos they're actually semi-trailers - ie: attached to the tractor unit via a 'fifth wheel' coupling rather than a tow-bar ... and the unit's designed for this purpose.
Semi-trailers are also subject to annual MoT testing. ;)
Yep, but still come under the same vehicle regulations ;)
OK... Drawbar trailers... Type used for car transporters ;)
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Yep, but still come under the same vehicle regulations ;)
OK... Drawbar trailers... Type used for car transporters ;)
Guessed they'd come up ...
'Cos the tractor unit's designed (and plated) for such duties man ... GTW (or is it MAM nowadays?) ;)
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i think i should have said i dont want to know the law etc ;D ;D
;D ;D ;D
Just rely on what the weight 'plate' says on the B post and you won't go wrong :y
that is what i was trying to find out,not the law.trailer regs,licence details etc but it seams to have gone off subject
ah well never mind
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i think i should have said i dont want to know the law etc ;D ;D
;D ;D ;D
Just rely on what the weight 'plate' says on the B post and you won't go wrong :y
that is what i was trying to find out,not the law.trailer regs,licence details etc but it seams to have gone off subject
ah well never mind
That's pretty much what I said in my first post lol :y
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Yep, but still come under the same vehicle regulations ;)
OK... Drawbar trailers... Type used for car transporters ;)
Guessed they'd come up ...
'Cos the tractor unit's designed (and plated) for such duties man ... GTW (or is it MAM nowadays?) ;)
So are some cars ::) ::) ::)
GTW (or MAM) are the only thing to rely on ;) ;) :y :y