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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: Dazzler on 29 March 2013, 22:20:08
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If a car has been a cat D and needs a vic done, is the current mot void?
How do you know if the insurance company has actually registered the car a cat D?
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If a car has been a cat D and needs a vic done, is the current mot void?
How do you know if the insurance company has actually registered the car a cat D?
Yes mot void.
Registered with Dvla. Check the web site with v5 details. (I think)
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DVLA have a link on there web site?
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Ah..... Your looking at that one as well. :)
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Ah..... Your looking at that one as well. :)
+1 ::)
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DVLA have a link on there web site?
Ah, if its not yours you won't have v5 to check that vehicle, so hpi check.
Cat D is bog all. Insurance covers use to vic check, then once mot'd your away.
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I presume its this one we are talking about, Although its a Cat C going by the description.. Probably to far for me anyway about 500miles.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2002-VAUXHALL-OMEGA-ELITE-3-2-V6-AUTO-RED-/230955019575?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item35c5fded37 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2002-VAUXHALL-OMEGA-ELITE-3-2-V6-AUTO-RED-/230955019575?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item35c5fded37)
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If it fails the identity check then you will be responsible for it, not the person you bought it from. Personally I would want to see evidence of the damage so that the repair can be given a fair appraisal :y
QuiteVery strong money given you can't use it until the VIC is done. Would need to be presented with a new MoT as well iirc :-\
Looks clean enough, but no MoT, no tax and no suggestion as to when the cambelt was done last :-\ without those three things, I doubt it's actually worth £500 max ignoring the VIC issue. Also given the mileage, the hbv is probably due along with an atf change :-\
Repair possibly bodged as the lower grill on the bumper has been painted, but with no 'before' pics, who knows :-\
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Just too many things to go wrong with that sale imho. :(
Tax and mot expire tomorrow so wont be able to drive car even on a test and given they are expired no insurance either. :o
Assuming it passes the vic inspection both the above need doing so could fail on anyhting.Guy says he is too busy to get it done..but not too busy to sell it ::)....I would steer well clear until it is atleast road legal then and only then negotiate on that price quite hard as your own insurance may not be happy taking on a cat C car either. ;)
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Worth £300 as an opening bid, but be lucky if it's actually worth what is being asked with MoT and tax :-\
Have asked as much...
I have a few questions for you...
1. When was the cambelt last changed?
2. Do you have any pictures of the car before the accident and also before the repair?
3. How long have you owned it?
4. Given the fact that it has no MoT/needs a VIC, and might not pass either test and has no tax, did you have a realistic price in mind?
Will probably get told to 'Go away nicely ' ::)
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Have seen pictures of the damage.
Cam belt done twice, last one at 76k in 2009
he won't budge with getting check done.
Repair was with 2nd hand parts.
Oil cooler also done
I like the colour combo
Cat C is a worry with no vic
New mot is given when the vic is done.
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Have seen pictures of the damage.
Cam belt done twice, last one at 76k in 2009
he won't budge with getting check done.
Repair was with 2nd hand parts.
Oil cooler also done
I like the colour combo
Cat C is a worry with no vic
New mot is given when the vic is done.
To be clear then, it's due another cambelt (4years), but biggest concern is the VIC or lack of. If the seller won't do it, then that strongly suggests something is wrong with it. At least if it was a realistic price and all went Pete Tong, then it could be broken to recover some of the cost :-\
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The damge caused was only bodywork according to pictures and also had the rad replaced but no mention of aircon rad or any associated aircon parts.
Does the vic test get done seperate from an mot or are they just rolled into 1.
Unsure what a new insurance companies views would be taking on the insurance cover..so that is also another thing to factor .
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The cambelt and Tensioner had been replaced twice
26-11-2006 at 43,557 miles
01-11-2010 at 73,297 miles
According to the seller but yet to see written evidence ???
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VIC is totally separate and is ONLY a check of the repaired vehicles identity, and nothing at all to do with the quality of the repair. Hence my concern :y
Already giving conflicting answers about the cambelt then :-\
Just to add, I have no issue with damage repaired cars, mine is a Cat C car, with nothing to hide. Yes it's a nuisance to deal with, but is booked on line, takes about 30 mins, and if nothing to hide is really no big deal.
Being too busy is a pish excuse ::)
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According to seller he paid £880 for the repairs to be carried out as he bought it back off insurance company.
Interesting to see what the insurance paid him ou then and why as soon as the repairs were do it din,t get a vic as surely spending that sum of money he either intended keeping it which doesnt ring right now it has no mot either,or he intended selling it on but surely he knew he would struggle with no legal proof of repairs or road worthyness
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Who knows what goes through peoples minds lol
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Worth £300 as an opening bid, but be lucky if it's actually worth what is being asked with MoT and tax :-\
Have asked as much...
I have a few questions for you...
1. When was the cambelt last changed?
2. Do you have any pictures of the car before the accident and also before the repair?
3. How long have you owned it?
4. Given the fact that it has no MoT/needs a VIC, and might not pass either test and has no tax, did you have a realistic price in mind?
Will probably get told to 'Go away nicely ' ::)
Swift reply if nowt else...
Hi,
The cambelt and Tensioner had been replaced twice 26-11-2006 at 43,557 miles 01-11-2010 at 73,297 miles.
The paintwork match is not even noticeable. I will email you the photo of the damage prior to repairs to the email you provided.
You would need to email me your email address via text so that I can send you the picture of the damage.
I bought the car in June 2012
The car needs to fetch minimum of 1125.00 which is my cost to have the car back on the road.
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He does say in the Q&A bit that he is happy to refund if the car fails the VIC.
On that statement he shouldnt mind using an escrow service with condition he only gets paid if it passes the VIC ;)
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Its ebay. Virtually anything on there is best avoided.
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Who knows what goes through peoples minds lol
You're not wrong ;D
Omegas do funny things to people ::)
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Don't look like he will be selling it then, he obviously thinks it's worth 3k or so.
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Don't look like he will be selling it then, he obviously thinks it's worth 3k or so.
A touch ironic that his cost to get it back on the road doesn't actually include getting it back on the road ::)
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Replied thanking him for his reply, but that it was too rich for such a gamble.
Got this reply...
Thanks for the interest, if the car don't sell I will get the VIC test sorted, put 6 months Tax and a years MOT. The car should then fetch me back 1550.00 hopefully.
:y
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Not sure it would fetch that. A non write off one would probably struggle to reach that?
Still, egay is full of idiots, buyers and sellers.
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suddenly he can get the Vic done!!
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Still, egay is full of idiots, buyers and sellers.
Has anyone noted this yet...?
Also note, I hate ebay. Strangely, I find its full of idiots. Wow, what a coincidence.
Maybe its the totally idiotic process and hoops they make everyone jump through. Very adept at filtering out all the normal people in the world.
Stop using it. It's shit!
Sorry, rant over. :-[ ;D
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Replied thanking him for his reply, but that it was too rich for such a gamble.
Got this reply...
Thanks for the interest, if the car don't sell I will get the VIC test sorted, put 6 months Tax and a years MOT. The car should then fetch me back 1550.00 hopefully.
:y
£1550 for a cat. C ;D ;D Is he dreaming . ::) ::) ::) I paid £400 for my '51 plate cat. D[highlight][/highlight] with 3 months tax & a full MOT. (I did have it re MOT'd myself just to make sure it was ok though)
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Its a worry for me the oil cooler was replaced, points to poor coolant servicing. What else was neglected? :-\
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Anyone want to give me £1550 for my proper red 3.2?Less miles,new cambelt,water pump,full service,new wishbones.steering idler, drop links,complete new exhaust,NEW MOT, the list goes on and is much longer than the car in question.Answer..NO! so why consider something that's so problematic? as with everyones comments there is a common vein of advice and that's basically ..look but don't touch ::) P.S my car is'nt for sale and never will be ;)
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Anyone want to give me £1550 for my proper red 3.2?Less miles,new cambelt,water pump,full service,new wishbones.steering idler, drop links,complete new exhaust,NEW MOT, the list goes on and is much longer than the car in question.Answer..NO! so why consider something that's so problematic? as with everyones comments there is a common vein of advice and that's basically ..look but don't touch ::) P.S my car is'nt for sale and never will be ;)
Sure it's not for sale :-*
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Sorry,just trying to get a bit of a point across,it just seemed a bit iffy the way the seller is virtually calling the shots and expecting the buyer to do what he should have done in the first place...after all that's a top dollar asking price in the circumstances. If you were to ask SWMBO if my cars for sale then she will tell you otherwise and she would throw me in as extra just to get rid of the two biggest pains in her life ::)
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Any seller will want the best price for least effort. No?
Clearly going to have to have to lift a finger at this rate though.
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Agreed Chris,but if it were you or me you'd take care of business before putting the car on,this just seems a bit of a cheeky way of doing things ::)
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Wouldn't touch it, there are better ones out there..
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Wouldn't touch it, there are better ones out there..
Just a case of finding them :-\
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I managed to find 2 "minters"..
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Wouldn't touch it, there are better ones out there..
Just a case of finding them :-\
there is a nice "52" 3.2 MV6 Saloon on AutoTrader (a tad on the expensive side though) was going to possibly look at it but I'm going to try and hold out for an Elite.
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201303265956649?atmobcid=soc3
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All things are relative, and all that. ::)
http://users.autoexposure.co.uk/rogerbuddenautomobiles/search.cfm?
Scroll down.
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Saw that one a few days ago, looks nice but I don't think anyone would pay that kind of money for it , around £1895 is as far as I would go, but it would have to have a very thorough service history.
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Saw that one a few days ago, looks nice but I don't think anyone would pay that kind of money for it , around £1895 is as far as I would go, but it would have to have a very thorough service history.
Yep everyone says that. And they all sell. All of them, eventually.
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When I was looking for the estate , I just missed out on a metallic blue estate which was owned by a Vauxhall dealers managers wife, 2.6 CDX with less than 25,000 miles, that went for £2,200 & really was immaculate.
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Starting to think mine was a bit of a bargain four years ago... One owner, full and detailed service history, 97k and only £1850 ::)
Now 241k and a Cat C, but still only 2 owners and full service history. Must be worth at least £7k :P
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Just noticed that the listing is now showing MOT expires 03/2014 and that the MOT is booked for Monday 1st April so either he is being very optomistic or is an April fool ;D ;D ;D
Can you get a new MOT test done without having the VIC certified ?
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According to Ugov a car has to have a valid MOT at the time it is presented??? :-\ :-\ :-\
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So if its current MOT expires 31/03/2013 and it turnes up for MOT test on 01/04/2013 then its going to be a problem ?
As it would appear he is the registered keeper does he need to get the VIC test done to keep it or is it only if he intends selling it on.
Getting abit confused here now :D
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Still wouldn't pay much over £300 for it :-\
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Cat C does not void the MOT and it can be re-mot'd by the registered keeper, VIC only comes into play when the ownership changes.
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Just noticed that the listing is now showing MOT expires 03/2014 and that the MOT is booked for Monday 1st April so either he is being very optomistic or is an April fool ;D ;D ;D
Can you get a new MOT test done without having the VIC certified ?
Yes. Did it to my one . The vehicle has to have a current MOT to be able to have the VIC done .
The VIC is purely to confirm to VOSA / DVLA that it is the actual vehicle & not a "ringer"
VIC comes into play on ownwership change . . . DVLA won't issue a new logbook /V5 to a new owner on a cat. C or D vehicle
until this VIC check is done
The VIC test is £41.00 & has to be pre booked
Repairs are not tested as far as I am aware
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So once the car has a full MOT certificate the registered owner can tax and use the car ?
The VIC will need to be carried out only at the point of a change of ownership to satisfy the system that the car is infact what it was originally registered as
Assume a MOT would then inspect and confirm the road worthyness of any repairs
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If the seller won't get the VIC check done having carried out the repairs, that suggests something to hide imho :-\
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So once the car has a full MOT certificate the registered owner can tax and use the car ?
The VIC will need to be carried out only at the point of a change of ownership to satisfy the system that the car is infact what it was originally registered as
Assume a MOT would then inspect and confirm the road worthyness of any repairs
I would say yes to all 3 points Amba.
My omega is SORN at the moment as I have not got a V5 as I sent it off to change to my ownership when buying the car & DVLA
will not issue a new one in my name (The new owner) until this VIC test is carried out. So cannot tax it until this is done .
I have had no notification from DVLA or VOSA that the MOT I got with the car is not valid .
Although I did re MOT it on the day I got the car home just to make sure all was OK.
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It certainly is a bit of a "mind field" and thanks for extra info Al.
So bottom line really is to make it a viable option the car needs a full MOT and also the Vic done prior to selling...even after that the asking price needs some adjustment on the downward side ::)
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Remember that some insurance companies won't touch cars that have been written off.
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It certainly is a bit of a "mind field" and thanks for extra info Al.
So bottom line really is to make it a viable option the car needs a full MOT and also the Vic done prior to selling...even after that the asking price needs some adjustment on the downward side ::)
An MOT after the repairs were carried out would be best from a buyers point of view.
But I am not sure that the exsisting MOT from before the repairs were carried out is not valid .
IMO it would be, as I have said in previous post I have had nothing from from VOSA/DVLA saying the old MOT is not valid or that
I have to have a new MOT before the car is presented for the VIC
Minefield . . . that sums it up ;D ;D ;D
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Remember that some insurance companies won't touch cars that have been written off.
As said TFS the word "Minefield" sums it up :o :o :o
At this rate i will be looking for another Mig myself ::) ::) ::)
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Just deleted it from my viewing page so won,t be tempted any more . ;D
A load of grief seems to be wrapped up in that Elite >:(
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Just deleted it from my viewing page so won,t be tempted any more . ;D
A load of grief seems to be wrapped up in that Elite >:(
You are probably right to give this one a miss Amba . . but thinking about this VIC check :-\ :-\
SWMBO had a Vectra that was an "uneco" write off when she was involved in a minor shunt.
We brought the car back from the insurance company as it was only superfical cosmetic damage
(fog lamp smashed & a minor dent in wing)
We used the car for almost 3 years after this until it was scrapped.
the point is no VIC test was requested as it did not change ownership .
So I am thinking the present owner of the omega you are looking at probably cannot get a VIC check on it as this will only
be required when it changes owner/keeper & a new V5 is required .
There was no record on the V5 I got with my car that it was a Cat. C or D ,as the "write off" occured with the last owner from whom I brought the car .
But when the new V5 is issued to me after the VIC it will be marked as a Cat. C or D write off. :-\ :-\ :-\
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When mine was written off for a rear wing, bumper and tailgate, it was Cat C and needed a VIC.
In the space of a week it had one MoT (with advisories), VIC, second MoT at a different testing station having completed the advisory work (needs to be advisory free for my council). My car has never changed hands, but reissued V5 has a note on it saying summat along lines of 'Category C, substantial damage/repair'.
Al, I would suggest getting yours through a VIC, just to be sure.
The only reason a seller of a Cat C/D vehicle that they have repaired won't present it for a VIC is because they know it will be flagged up for summat :-\
Question is whether a VIC is covered by the same rules as an MoT with regard to tax/current MoT :-\ Suspect that if DVLA won't issue a new V5 without a VIC, then you won't be able to buy tax either until it's done. So to/from prearranged 'test' only unless on a trailer :-\
Worth a call or pop into your nearest VOSA test site just to clarify...
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I have decided to "draw a line under this one" so will bin it as its flagging up a whole load of potential grief >:(,but many thanks for all the info guys :y
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When mine was written off for a rear wing, bumper and tailgate, it was Cat C and needed a VIC.
In the space of a week it had one MoT (with advisories), VIC, second MoT at a different testing station having completed the advisory work (needs to be advisory free for my council). My car has never changed hands, but reissued V5 has a note on it saying summat along lines of 'Category C, substantial damage/repair'.
Al, I would suggest getting yours through a VIC, just to be sure.
The only reason a seller of a Cat C/D vehicle that they have repaired won't present it for a VIC is because they know it will be flagged up for summat :-\
Question is whether a VIC is covered by the same rules as an MoT with regard to tax/current MoT :-\ Suspect that if DVLA won't issue a new V5 without a VIC, then you won't be able to buy tax either until it's done. So to/from prearranged 'test' only unless on a trailer :-\
Worth a call or pop into your nearest VOSA test site just to clarify...
Thats it Al . . the VIC has to be done before I can get the car taxed. Tried with the green slip part of the old V5 but the car has
been "flagged" by DVLA as needing a VIC before a new V5 is issued or the new owner can tax it .
Vosa say it is legal to drive the car without tax, to their centre on the day the test is booked for .and if it passes they
"electronically" send details to the DVLA computer & you can then tax that vehicle from that day with the green slip if required .
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Looks like someone has put a bid on it. Apart from the VIC / CAT C bussines it looks a tidy car inside and out.
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Looks like someone has put a bid on it. Apart from the VIC / CAT C bussines it looks a tidy car inside and out.
...with no MoT or Tax ::)
Still stoopid is as stoopid does ::)
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Date of test:07/11/2011Certificate issued (Pass)
Odometer reading:79,334 MilesTest number:537241911380Test station name:MARTIN RUMBLETest station number:V105781Test station telephone number:02476 321000Test class:IVTest expiry date:16/11/2012No Advisory Notice issued
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Date of test:01/04/2013Certificate issued (Pass)
Odometer reading:87,889 MilesTest number:669351893086Test station name:THE TEST CENTRE DEPTFORDTest station number:9966ADTest station telephone number:Tel 0208-691-9827Test class:IVTest expiry date:31/03/2014No Advisory Notice issued
Seller has advised Car has passed Mot today however some things don,t seem to stack up.
It would appear that it was stated that old MOT expired on 31/03/2013 but after doing a Vosa search it seems that it expired 16/11/2012 therefore when the car was "hit in the snow whilst parked " it had no current MOT.
I assume this would mean that any insurance on the car was void therfore the insurance company would have made no payout.!!
If so the repairs, whilst they look fine,must have been done as cheap as possible to get the car to a point it could be sold.
Think this is probably why the seller is reluctant to have a VIC test done...think this really looks a "Lemon"
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Done well to get an MoT done on a bank holiday as well :-X
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Date of test:07/11/2011Certificate issued (Pass)
Odometer reading:79,334 MilesTest number:537241911380Test station name:MARTIN RUMBLETest station number:V105781Test station telephone number:02476 321000Test class:IVTest expiry date:16/11/2012No Advisory Notice issued
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Date of test:01/04/2013Certificate issued (Pass)
Odometer reading:87,889 MilesTest number:669351893086Test station name:THE TEST CENTRE DEPTFORDTest station number:9966ADTest station telephone number:Tel 0208-691-9827Test class:IVTest expiry date:31/03/2014No Advisory Notice issued
Seller has advised Car has passed Mot today however some things don,t seem to stack up.
It would appear that it was stated that old MOT expired on 31/03/2013 but after doing a Vosa search it seems that it expired 16/11/2012 therefore when the car was "hit in the snow whilst parked " it had no current MOT.
I assume this would mean that any insurance on the car was void therfore the insurance company would have made no payout.!!
If so the repairs, whilst they look fine,must have been done as cheap as possible to get the car to a point it could be sold.
Think this is probably why the seller is reluctant to have a VIC test done...think this really looks a "Lemon"
A lemon that has gone badly off . . . this whole situation "Smells" nasty IMO ::) ::) best left well alone ;) ;)
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Well when the 'sprayer' repainted the bumper he sprayed the lower grill the same colour as well, there's a clip missing off the bumper on the nearside top and a clip missing off the nearside headlight trim. I note also that the number plate is cracked so as soon as water gets into that it'll need a new number plate to pass the MOT.
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Done well to get an MoT done on a bank holiday as well :-X
Does say on their website, they're open bank holidays :y
Tho i also noticed, it says they dont do repairs, also if they dont pass your car, you dont pay. Kinda makes me wonder how lenient they are :-\
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It does have af full years ticket as got the seller to email me a copy this morning as curiosity was getting the better of me ;D
Car was hit in early Novemebr 2012 and seller obtained bits from ebay to repair it...another bumper and reinforcing section/bonnet/ all from another breaker (radiator new ).
Repairs were done after he was advised insurance would pay out and allowed him to buy the car back so gap in dates on MOT record.
Advised he has had a dealer make the bid and is prepared to take the car without a Vosa VIC certificate
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Done well to get an MoT done on a bank holiday as well :-X
Does say on their website, they're open bank holidays :y
Tho i also noticed, it says they dont do repairs, also if they dont pass your car, you dont pay. Kinda makes me wonder how lenient they are :-\
garage near me does that but at the bottom of the sign in very small writing is : cars up to 6 years old only ;)
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The dealer is'nt going to bid this car up any further as he needs to make money on the deal,so at this point the seller if what he's saying is correct is'nt going to make much at this stage as I'm sure it won't be any where close to the expected £1550.Bit of Hans Christian Anderson going on here :-\
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Hi all my Name is Hash, I am selling the Elite 3.2V. I read all the comments and happy for all your comments and can understand everyone's concern regards VIC test. I have stated I will provide full refund if the VIC Tests fails. I had new MOT done today and passed without any advisory. I can do the VIC test if the buyer is willing to wait for the appointment to come through. I can get the tax for the winning buyer but they would need to pay for it, I have all the relevant documents. The car has been repaired and restored fully and there is no fault with the car. I have all the receipts from the past 2 owners to verify the service history of the car and all the historical MOT certificates, the Cambelt replacements done by main dealers. If still not satisfy please don't bid on the car I will re-list the car at higher price once I have the VIC test certificate to hand. The car advertised at much reduced price. I know in the previous post where 300 was valued, at the end of the day I am selling the car so it will be my decision to sell and obviously it is your decision to offer what you feel is right. We all have our own opinion and so rightfully we should. Thanks again for all comments.
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at the end of the day I am selling the car so it will be my decision to sell and obviously it is your decision to offer what you feel is right. We all have our own opinion and so rightfully we should.
Can't disagree with that :y
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there is a nice "52" 3.2 MV6 Saloon on AutoTrader (a tad on the expensive side though) was going to possibly look at it but I'm going to try and hold out for an Elite.
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201303265956649?atmobcid=soc3
That one says "Automatic ( 5 Speed With Sports Option ) " There are no 5 speed auto migs are there (unless its Italian and you count reverse)?
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there is a nice "52" 3.2 MV6 Saloon on AutoTrader (a tad on the expensive side though) was going to possibly look at it but I'm going to try and hold out for an Elite.
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201303265956649?atmobcid=soc3
That one says "Automatic ( 5 Speed With Sports Option ) " There are no 5 speed auto migs are there (unless its Italian and you count reverse)?
Seller has also upped the price from £1795 to £1995 usually the price goes down not up ;D
Maybe he had more calls when I put the link up and thought it was to cheap possibly.
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there is a nice "52" 3.2 MV6 Saloon on AutoTrader (a tad on the expensive side though) was going to possibly look at it but I'm going to try and hold out for an Elite.
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201303265956649?atmobcid=soc3
That one says "Automatic ( 5 Speed With Sports Option ) " There are no 5 speed auto migs are there (unless its Italian and you count reverse)?
/Panto mode
Oh yes there is
/Panto off
Just not on UK spec cars.
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Well not sure if thye seller evr agreed to do the Vic Vosa certificate in the end but looks like it did sell with 7 bids...new owner paid £1223 so interesting to see if it appears in a few weeks on Autotrader with a 2k + price tag :o
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Expect to see it here at some point with mysterious coolant loss and strange handling issues given the mileage ::)
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I actually went and looked at it as was more than interested but it wasnt as wonderfull in the flesh. :(
Both camcovers were weaping and inside of oil filler was like "Mr Whipy" even though the seller had driven it across London some hours earlier to get the Mot done.Colour match was fair although several parts of trim and wheel arch liners were torn or missing.The twin sports exhaust back box had a fair old leak where it joined the over back axle section so surprised the Mot tester allowed that to go through :o.Coolant was 90% water with a faint trace of orange antifreeze so that didnt bode well considering it had just had a new radiator ect.
Probably worth £750-£900 but not alot more so the seller must be quite pleased with the result. ;) :)
Will wait for it to "Re-appear " soon somewhere ;D
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:) :) :)Hi amba, the car has been sold and I am happy as it will be looked after. The buyer has paid the deposit and money towards RoadTax. Thanks for the visit and I am sad it wasn't to your expectations. All the best in your hunt for a nice tidy Omega. Thanks again
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:) :) :)Hi amba, the car has been sold and I am happy as it will be looked after. The buyer has paid the deposit and money towards RoadTax. Thanks for the visit and I am sad it wasn't to your expectations. All the best in your hunt for a nice tidy Omega. Thanks again
you know what they say one born every minute ::)
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there is a nice "52" 3.2 MV6 Saloon on AutoTrader (a tad on the expensive side though) was going to possibly look at it but I'm going to try and hold out for an Elite.
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201303265956649?atmobcid=soc3
That one says "Automatic ( 5 Speed With Sports Option ) " There are no 5 speed auto migs are there (unless its Italian and you count reverse)?
/Panto mode
Oh yes there is
/Panto off
Just not on UK spec cars.
Ah yes the panto mode button..........when I nod my head, you hit it."
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Its all pretty simple to work out really as the seller is just counting the markings on the console by the gearlever: ;D ;D ;D
1 /2 / 3/ DRIVE / NEUTRAL / REVERSE / PARK ...so assume 4 forward and 1 backward..assumption 5 gears
Surprising really it was sold as having 7 ...he missed of NEUTRAL AND PARK ;D ;D ;D