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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: elitedave on 12 April 2013, 15:00:17
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Re looks like I'm stuffed Thead and seized tension pulley and aux belt and leaking radiator
Just got it all back together after putting in new radiator pulley and belt
Start and seems to be running ok on all cylinders and don't seem to be running too bad
temp seems stable to
But coolest is pussing out under car and trickerling off sump
It not coming from anywhere near what's been touch ie up frount by radiator
And steam from under back of plenuim thing
Hbv is fine checked so is heater hoses only done heat matrix few weeks back
Is it worth look anywhere else for a leak or do you guys thing it is defiantly the head gasket
As if it a top end rebuild I'd beyond me and I'm running out of cash fast
So I'm guessing it the head gasket
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Take the plenum and inlet manifold off followed by the lower sandwich plate to have a really good look at oil cooler plate/thermostat and coolant bridge area.
They are all very strong possible areas that can leak and give the very symptoms you are describing
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Could a overhead from a failed aux belt cause that
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Worth checking the oil cooler plate & coolant bridge area, not unknown for one of the pipes at the back to split and pish coolant all over the place.
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Could a overhead from a failed aux belt cause that
Was the Car / Engine being used after the Aux Belt problem, if so, how long for?
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Was on duke charge way when it went had to drive to ther was a turn off few hundred yards
Where radiator was pissing out all over electrics and it was dar I cout not see belt and wrongly asuned power steering outage was due to water from lradiaitor leak
So re filled when cooled and drive one mile after that it was towed
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Could it be just excess water thats sat in between the heads from when you lost water. when u first broke down was engine covered in water?x
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Plenum off, along with inlets, so you can see right into the V.
Join or block the 2 pipes that you removed from throttle body to remove plenum.
Pressurise the coolant to about 8PSI (blowing hard into one of the pipes above will work) - coolant leak will be obvious.
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car was at my mothers place where i had it towed to from essex
i justed brimed header tank and drove home to my place couple of miles away temp stayed in right rang and lost about 3 liters on way took it back too mine to get tools back here and car
but its well down on power
im well not happy as aint got money foer another car and are in a mess for transport now
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if you down on power and do you have lots of exhaust smoke-then you likely hhave killed h/gaskets-is oil on dipstick coffee colored ??? When i did my old engine it was smoking like a ******* and no power/oil filler full of white gunge and dipstick was saying I had 3/4 level coffee :'( :'( :'( sorry mate reckon you done h/gaskets IMHO
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Extreme overheating is a worry, but do tests I suggested to locate leak.
If HG has failed due to overheat, inspect heads very closely
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Was on duke charge way when it went had to drive to ther was a turn off few hundred yards
Where radiator was pissing out all over electrics and it was dar I cout not see belt and wrongly asuned power steering outage was due to water from lradiaitor leak
So re filled when cooled and drive one mile after that it was towed
Hmm,Im 50 50 on this one,it doesn't take much to do a HG on the V6 without the Water Pump running, I know from experience when the Ex killed off one of my Plods after driving it for 5 mins when the water pump pulley threw the Aux belt!
Does it sound completely normal when you turn the engine on the starter?.
Im up the road from you if you want a second opinion, might not be the right one, but 2 heads are better than one and all that. ;)
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Lets face it people-any engine especially v6 mig will do H/G's in if no coolant-no brainer really-so but its true-I had that a few weeks ago and was quicker/cheaper to change engine on mine(243000 miles) anyway
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Was on duke charge way when it went had to drive to ther was a turn off few hundred yards
Where radiator was pissing out all over electrics and it was dar I cout not see belt and wrongly asuned power steering outage was due to water from lradiaitor leak
So re filled when cooled and drive one mile after that it was towed
Hmm,Im 50 50 on this one,it doesn't take much to do a HG on the V6 without the Water Pump running, I know from experience when the Ex killed off one of my Plods after driving it for 5 mins when the water pump pulley threw the Aux belt!
Does it sound completely normal when you turn the engine on the starter?.
Im up the road from you if you want a second opinion, might not be the right one, but 2 heads are better than one and all that. ;)
its kind of you m8 but it i luton now not Harlow would have loved a second opinion
girlfriend is in Harlow i live in luton m8
the belt pop`ed on the a414 just before east wick roundabout and want really any where to stop but east wick turn off it was only two roundabout up that i drove after refilling to the
was going to Harlow station roundabout as she lives just of the station roundabout
TheFatShadow tomorrow im going to pull it all off and look under there at oil cooler and that
thing there aint no smoke there was at first but it wa pissing down thing was just warter in end of pipe after a min no smoke but now thers no smoke to speek of
i think it probably is head but there a hell of alot of coolant pissing out form out side rather than inside of engine
but im going to try anyway with crossed fingers as i would like to keep for now if i could
it got to be worth a try if its not leaking there
and it head im going to cut my losss and move on
and scrap it as i cant break it as no where to keep it off road and break it
unless any one wants to make an offer for spares or repair
back arches were due to be done as starting to rust but its only got 105k on it iv had it since 40k suspensions been done done heat matrix just had new front wishbones for all German parts 4 mouths ago
just had new back box and two new mid boxs and pipes
one of the guys of the forum done my water pump and cam belt kit not that long ago for me
and now a new radiator and aux belt and pulley
crank sensor been done since i had and i done the abs ecu already
only thing wrougn with other than this was driver heated seat element dead couple of l bulbs need changing back arches now need doing and a small rust bubble on bottom of back door
and i was going to spray front splitter as girlfriend court it on a curb
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With plenum and inlet manifold off, look carefully around coolant bridge. If its p*ssing out likely to be rubber hose from coolant bridge to HBV (the "curly" one). Flex it and look for holes around where its clamped to coolant bridge. Also check its not leaking from the coolant bridge seals, although wouldn't expect it to p*ss out fron here unless they are completely gone.
Also check oil cooler plate and thermostat housing while stripped.
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Water boiling in the cooling system would likely blow a hose or some connection or plug and the lack of steam from your exhaust is encouraging. The loss of power though is not. If the head gaskets gone its gone so run it keeping the water topped up while you try and identify the leak and hope it hasn't.
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i was going to have a look today but iv just been up a and e
its not my bloody week the dog 8 week old puppy run at my feet when i had a hot coffee iv gone over on me ankle
tort id busted it took some Codine and rum woke up and it swollen up like a balloon
back now after 4 xrays with more pain pills not broken just bad sprain and ripped ligament
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i was going to have a look today but iv just been up a and e
its not my bloody week the dog 8 week old puppy run at my feet when i had a hot coffee iv gone over on me ankle
tort id busted it took some Codine and rum woke up and it swollen up like a balloon
back now after 4 xrays with more pain pills not broken just bad sprain and ripped ligament
sorry mate-but could have been worse! get well soon mate-hope you have speedy recovery :y :y :y
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thanks m8
just looked at todays weather gong to be sunny and about 16 degrees
just my luck could have done with a few hours out on harley to get away from stress
not going to happen with a ripped up foot grrr
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[car talk off]
Sounds like you did your ATFL (Anterior Tib-Fib Ligament) which is a very painful injury. I'm sure you were told in A&E about RICE, Rest Ice Compression Elevation. So no working on cars or walking very much for the next few days.
Try and pressure your doc for some physiotherapy. It hurts like hell but it will help your rehabilitate better. If you can, buy a wobble board and do circular exercises with it. Damage to the ligaments means you loose that joint memory which means you will likely go over on it again, and it will hurt like a bastard. When I did mine I took it to work and put it under the desk doing my exercise all day. I also used an ankle support like this one:
http://www.physioroom.com/product/Aircast_Sport_Stirrup_Ankle_Brace/2030/35946.html (http://www.physioroom.com/product/Aircast_Sport_Stirrup_Ankle_Brace/2030/35946.html)
Not cheap but well worth it, you could even try and get one through your doc.
Wobble board:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0057EQHA6/?tag=hydra0b-21&hvadid=9550951269&ref=asc_df_B0057EQHA6 (http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0057EQHA6/?tag=hydra0b-21&hvadid=9550951269&ref=asc_df_B0057EQHA6)
Exercises, a bit cheesy but what they say and do is correct:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EmdOu_GOK8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EmdOu_GOK8)
Good luck! (From a fellow ankle sufferer)
[Back to talking about cars]
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[car talk off]
Sounds like you did your ATFL (Anterior Tib-Fib Ligament) which is a very painful injury. I'm sure you were told in A&E about RICE, Rest Ice Compression Elevation. So no working on cars or walking very much for the next few days.
Try and pressure your doc for some physiotherapy. It hurts like hell but it will help your rehabilitate better. If you can, buy a wobble board and do circular exercises with it. Damage to the ligaments means you loose that joint memory which means you will likely go over on it again, and it will hurt like a bastard. When I did mine I took it to work and put it under the desk doing my exercise all day. I also used an ankle support like this one:
http://www.physioroom.com/product/Aircast_Sport_Stirrup_Ankle_Brace/2030/35946.html (http://www.physioroom.com/product/Aircast_Sport_Stirrup_Ankle_Brace/2030/35946.html)
Not cheap but well worth it, you could even try and get one through your doc.
Wobble board:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0057EQHA6/?tag=hydra0b-21&hvadid=9550951269&ref=asc_df_B0057EQHA6 (http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0057EQHA6/?tag=hydra0b-21&hvadid=9550951269&ref=asc_df_B0057EQHA6)
Exercises, a bit cheesy but what they say and do is correct:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EmdOu_GOK8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EmdOu_GOK8)
Good luck! (From a fellow ankle sufferer)
[Back to talking about cars]
thank m8
dose sound like your right just goggled the ATFL and that exactly where swelling is its don down a fair bit this morning
funny you say about going over on it again iv feel on both ankles ie rolling over on like that a few time but never this bad
if got rather doggy balance as my hips are out of line twisted due to scoliosis kills me working on car any way poped a disk a l4-l5
iv got problems with thoracic and cervical spine too a a fair bit of nerve pain as well
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Sounds like you definitely need physio. If you have scoliosis then your whole biomechanics need looking at to avoid future problems. You may need shoe implants or something more drastic. In the meantime look after your ankle, this is a key period in the healing process, RICE to get the swelling down and then get the movement sorted. I didn't when I was a kid and it now goes over every now and again. The resulting damage over the years means it naturally sticks out about 30 degrees more than the other.
Badger your doc until he refers you :y
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can real rest that much m8 mrs is mental ill i got do the lot need car two pluss i got a 8 week puppy to deal with
my back is wearing out any way
i have quit a large thoracic curvature and a compansating lumbar curve
im dosed up on opiates swelling gone right down now not to bad
not the the brightest idea but its a long walk to nearest bus stop
good news is i found out where coolant is pissing out ofthe pipe from coolent bridge to HBV is perished an split
if fixed that
bad news is i drop the dam pelunum and busted the bit that hold spring on throttle cable at throttle body's
and one know if you can weld it or i need a new throttle or another boddge
here
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You can probably drill and tap a bolt thread for it, or I think that plenum is ally unlike the facelifts so could be welded. However best fix the leak and see if you head gasket is gone or not first. Good luck.
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Glad you've found the leak mate - as I thought it was the coolant bridge hose :y
Regarding damaged plenum, might be prudent to get replacement off a scrapper. Possible to "bodge" short term.
By the way all the V6 plenums are ally ???
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thans guys
iv have fixed hose went to start but dident start
but it probably was not enough juice in bat as i only got 3 and a half try`s to it was flat guess the fuel rail needed to pressurize unless i knocked a plug off or something while in there i did lok but can see anything
just got battery on a fast charge so if it dont start after a couple of gos
ill stick the "My Naff Code Reader" and lap top and see if anything trowing up a error
I don't suppose there any one near in or around luton that's got a cheap throttle control body knocking around cheap
by any chance
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I might have one.Cant check as Im at work until later.Can check and let you know tomorrow. Definetely got a plenum,just cant remember whether it still has throttle body attached to it. :-\ ;D
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well not losing any water at all ran it for an hour cant drive unless i use some string to throttle body lol
but i aint lost a drop running perfect on about 95degres on temp gage and op com gives same reading
all cylinders are sparking and fire ing no misfire that i can hear
no white smoke bit of condensation out of tail pipe and water drip made me a bit paranoid but aint nothing missing from header tank
never looked before do you get a bit of condensation drip with the omegas
but had a maf fault code but that was lose plugg fixed that
but i got a 59 intake manifold value 1 low voltage fault and engine manment light on i clear after poking around in engine bay
once fingered that was lose plug or doggy wire was ok for a bit
but come back now its driving me nuts
anyone got a idear
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well not losing any water at all ran it for an hour cant drive unless i use some string to throttle body lol
but i aint lost a drop running perfect on about 95degres on temp gage and op com gives same reading
all cylinders are sparking and fire ing no misfire that i can hear
no white smoke bit of condensation out of tail pipe and water drip made me a bit paranoid but aint nothing missing from header tank
never looked before do you get a bit of condensation drip with the omegas
but had a maf fault code but that was lose plugg fixed that
but i got a 59 intake manifold value 1 low voltage fault and engine manment light on i clear after poking around in engine bay
once fingered that was lose plug or doggy wire was ok for a bit
but come back now its driving me nuts
anyone got a idear
That`s 3 times you`ve asked ::) ;D
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Rear multiram plug loose/not connected ;)
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yep broken wire on it
seems promising its running fine or seems to me cant drive to throttle body's get here temp is spot on at 95 when up to temp no water lose it for an half an our or so
oil seems fine
no sign of oil in water from what i can see
only thing that is worrying me is i wiped the usual manaze out of filler cap before running as i like a clean engine and was cleaning up after work
it but was a fare bit back in there later after running at stand still for a while wiped rune again same again but bit less
but everything else seems fine apart from that it possible that that was vapor from all the leaks and it boiling when pump failed clearing it self out
but does seem a bit odd to me
i am kind of wishing i changed oil cooler while it was in bit
as i got one in cupboard
but i does seem to be running to well for head gasket
just wishing i knew for shaw
any ideas guys
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Mayo on oil cap on V6 normal for short runs ;) Nothing to worry about
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well i remembered to re join breakdown insurance no for got and to pay for two from harlow to luton
just seemed a bit more than normal but fingers crossed if it starting to go on head
i will k-seal it and see what i can get on a trade in
to a deserving stealer if i do ill im thinking about a rover 75 cdti
im hoping to keep it for now fingers crossed
if it ok some time this year im due some case form a insurance pay out
and was thinking may be a s class diesel few about under 60k for under 5grand
any one got any diy experience on em
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oh one thing i did notice when working on it was
where the bridge from egr to plenum the asked it shot and fell to pieces when removed but it seem to idel ok just put back with out gasket for now
but would that effect anything was thing of just sticking a banking plate
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well i remembered to re join breakdown insurance no for got and to pay for two from harlow to luton
just seemed a bit more than normal but fingers crossed if it starting to go on head
i will k-seal it and see what i can get on a trade in
to a deserving stealer if i do ill im thinking about a rover 75 cdti
im hoping to keep it for now fingers crossed
if it ok some time this year im due some case form a insurance pay out
and was thinking may be a s class diesel few about under 60k for under 5grand
any one got any diy experience on em
Shouldn't do that mate on an Omega - will cause all sorts of problems in the future ;)
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well news seems to be good
got throttle body at 11am after a cans of carb cleaner and some polishing
iv fitted em and been out for a spin
an its smooth and pulling like a train
low down grunt is better than its ever been and its iderling better that ever
Im wondering now if the vac box on back of plastic muilti ram was all ways duff since i had it all other vac lines and wiring was fine and been checked before.
no sign of wrter in oil marked header tank and been out a few ours in it and it aint lost a drop
could do with a oil change now so ill run a week if all ok ill treat to some of vx oi,l a filter and some new plugs
got a new fuel filter for it as well laying around
like to thank everyone for there help with sort and encouragement to have it all off and look
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well i remembered to re join breakdown insurance no for got and to pay for two from harlow to luton
just seemed a bit more than normal but fingers crossed if it starting to go on head
i will k-seal it and see what i can get on a trade in
to a deserving stealer if i do ill im thinking about a rover 75 cdti
im hoping to keep it for now fingers crossed
if it ok some time this year im due some case form a insurance pay out
and was thinking may be a s class diesel few about under 60k for under 5grand
any one got any diy experience on em
Absolute crap mate they are like most rovers and suffer from head problems. ::) ::) :-X
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well i remembered to re join breakdown insurance no for got and to pay for two from harlow to luton
just seemed a bit more than normal but fingers crossed if it starting to go on head
i will k-seal it and see what i can get on a trade in
to a deserving stealer if i do ill im thinking about a rover 75 cdti
im hoping to keep it for now fingers crossed
if it ok some time this year im due some case form a insurance pay out
and was thinking may be a s class diesel few about under 60k for under 5grand
any one got any diy experience on em
Absolute crap mate they are like most rovers and suffer from head problems. ::) ::) :-X
Bmw engine in the 75 diesel :y
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Yep, not to many issues with the CDTi in the 75.
The 75 is a bit of a dissapointment for what is supposed to be a large exec car though.
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omega seem fine now so keeping that for now really attached to it lol
if i do change later it will be a S class diesel merc with about 40-50 on clock if i can stomach the insurance lol
75 was only option if omega was shot for a bit due to cash at the moment and i much prefer rear wheel drive
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K-seal+kill ya miggy