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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Richie London on 30 April 2008, 13:31:06
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ive just been given a website to backtrack the history of my car. well im shocked and furious as to what ive found. mot 2007 states 92000
this yrs is 63000???
plus there is a history of work which i think has not been done. shall be taking legal action against this bloke i bought it off.
no wonder ive had all these probs
richie
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Sorry to hear about that! Barstewards >:(
What is the website?
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ive just been given a website to backtrack the history of my car. well im shocked and furious as to what ive found. mot 2007 states 92000
this yrs is 63000???
plus there is a history of work which i think has not been done. shall be taking legal action against this bloke i bought it off.
no wonder ive had all these probs
richie
:o Yikes! :o
You must be furious richie! >:(
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Sorry to hear about that! Barstewards >:(
What is the website?
http://www.motinfo.gov.uk/internet/servlet/ECHIDDispatcher
richie
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Had a look -- interesting site that ! :y :y
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ive spoke to quite a few people over this. trading standards are going to look into this and vosa are going to investigate the last 2 testing stations who last carried out the mots. they seem to think a fraud has taken place. no wonder ive had so many leaks (i.e oil and cooling) in such a short time of buying this car. im a bit gutted to be honest and now know in future i can check the car through this site to see if there is anything when buying another car.
i dont seem to be having much luck lately :( :(
richie
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I bought a Rover 800 from my mate a few years back, which he bought from a guy in Derby & when i had probs with the heater blower i removed the glove box only to find an old MOT with around 100,000 miles less than the speedo read. I rang my mate & we had a right good laugh about it.
It's more common than you think & all too easy to change the miles
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You asked for test history information for vehicle registration *****. You provided test number 51216113**** to confirm that you had a legitimate interest in the vehicle. If you do not have a legitimate interest in the vehicle you must destroy the document. This information is correct at 30/04/2008.
There are no later tests for this Vehicle.
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Most Recent Vehicle Details and Test Summary applicable to this test number.
Registration mark: *******
Make/Model: VAUXHALL / OMEGA CDX V6 AUTO
Colour: BROWN
VIN/Chassis No: *********
Approximate date of first use: 10/12/1998
Type of fuel: Petrol
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Date of test: 31/01/2008
Certificate issued (Pass)
Odometer reading: 63,879 Miles
Test number: 51216113****
Test expiry date: 30/01/2009
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Full Test History, starting with first recorded vehicle and test results
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Registration mark: *******
Make/Model: VAUXHALL / OMEGA
Colour: BROWN
VIN/Chassis No: ***********
Approximate date of first use: 10/12/1998
Type of fuel: Petrol
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Date of test: 21/02/2006
Certificate issued (Pass)
Odometer reading: 83,584 Miles
Test number: 10137205****
Test station name: BRISTOL STREET CHELTENHAM
Test station number: 4829BA
Test station telephone number: 01242229922
Test class: IV
Test expiry date: 20/02/2007
Advisory Notice issued
Exhaust system has part of the system slightly deteriorated (7.1.1a)
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Date of test: 02/03/2007
Certificate issue refused (Fail)
Odometer reading: 92,283 Miles
Test number: 93413156****
Test station name: EBLEY TYRE PLUS AUTOSERVICE
Test station number: 81764
Test station telephone number: 01452501601
Test class: IV
Reason(s) for refusal to issue Certificate
Nearside centre section holed exhaust system has part of the system excessively deteriorated (7.1.1a)
Exhaust emissions Lambda reading after 2nd fast idle outside specified limits (7.3.2b)
Advisory Notice issued
Both front tyres worn on inside edge
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Date of test: 09/03/2007
Certificate issued (Pass)
Odometer reading: 92,293 Miles
Test number: 25277896****
Test station name: EBLEY TYRE PLUS AUTOSERVICE
Test station number: 81764
Test station telephone number: 01452501601
Test class: IV
Test expiry date: 08/03/2008
No Advisory Notice issued
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Date of test: 28/01/2008
Certificate issue refused (Fail)
Odometer reading: 63,876 Miles
Test number: 51467872****
Test station name: BARTON - REYNOLDS
Test station number: V101269
Test station telephone number: 01494 523888
Test class: IV
Reason(s) for refusal to issue Certificate
Nearside Inner Front track rod end ball pin shank loose (2.2.B.1c)
Offside Front tyre tread depth below requirements of 1.6mm (4.1.D.1)
Exhaust emits excessive dense blue smoke during acceleration (7.3.A.1c)
Parking brake efficiency below requirements (3.7.A.9/10)
No Advisory Notice issued
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Change of details
Make/Model: VAUXHALL / OMEGA CDX V6 AUTO recorded at time of test on 28/01/2008
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Date of test: 31/01/2008
Certificate issued (Pass)
Odometer reading: 63,879 Miles
Test number: 51216113****
Test station name: BARTON - REYNOLDS
Test station number: V101269
Test station telephone number: 01494 523888
Test class: IV
Test expiry date: 30/01/2009
No Advisory Notice issued
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not uncommon on omegas. 1 in 4 cars on road are clocked. Omega (particularly prefacelift) wears very well, so easy for traders to wind 50k off and nobody will notice.
Looked at several myself before I bought MV6 where last couple of MOTs and current reading didn't tie up. If no history (or history in the post excuse), rang previous owner. My experience then was probably 2 in 5 Omegas were definately showing inconsistent reading....
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That's probably a bit too much information up there for t'internet - I just browsed in as a guest and there's enough there to clone your car good'n'proper :o
Nice site though - mine varies slightly from what I thought too :-/
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Exhaust emits excessive dense blue smoke during acceleration (7.3.A.1c)
:o
Not often you see an emissions fail on visible smoke.
Kevin
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That's probably a bit too much information up there for t'internet - I just browsed in as a guest and there's enough there to clone your car good'n'proper :o
Nice site though - mine varies slightly from what I thought too :-/
Richie,
Edit your post and ****** out the part of the reg and chassis numbers quickly!! This is plenty of info to clone the car and give you even more headaches!!! :o :o :o :o
Sorry to hear your bad luck... TBH I don't pay a lot of attention to the mileage on cars, I look at the wear! :y :y
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cheers docker :y :y
richie
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my facelift is on 109k now, you could set it to 55k and your average buyer would think its genuine!
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sometimes i wonder if im too honest ::) ::) ::)
richie
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A question for the 2 REAL Tech II owners. Have either of you ever tried to 'correct' the milage of an electronic display odometer ie Astra G? Not for fraudulent reasons obviously but just to see if you can! ;) If you plug a 'Cheapo Tech II' into the diagnostic port & go to BODY you can get the displayed milage up on the lap-top, & it gives you an opton to 'correct' it. I tried with my Astra G .... by a couple of miles both down & up ..... but it wouldn't do anything more. ;) :y
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slight thread drift .. but when I bought the new beast the seller (Mr Budden) actually offered to allow me to use his system to check this info ... I didn't know about this site until then.
Now I would "demand" the info needed to check before entering any deal with any seller .. :)
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my facelift is on 109k now, you could set it to 55k and your average buyer would think its genuine!
Facelift more difficult to wind back, as interior trim normally shows wear...
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A question for the 2 REAL Tech II owners. Have either of you ever tried to 'correct' the milage of an electronic display odometer ie Astra G? Not for fraudulent reasons obviously but just to see if you can! ;) If you plug a 'Cheapo Tech II' into the diagnostic port & go to BODY you can get the displayed milage up on the lap-top, & it gives you an opton to 'correct' it. I tried with my Astra G .... by a couple of miles both down & up ..... but it wouldn't do anything more. ;) :y
Plenty of cheap tools to allow 'mileage correction' on digital odo cars.
AFAIK, real tech2 does NOT allow it.
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A question for the 2 REAL Tech II owners. Have either of you ever tried to 'correct' the milage of an electronic display odometer ie Astra G? Not for fraudulent reasons obviously but just to see if you can! ;) If you plug a 'Cheapo Tech II' into the diagnostic port & go to BODY you can get the displayed milage up on the lap-top, & it gives you an opton to 'correct' it. I tried with my Astra G .... by a couple of miles both down & up ..... but it wouldn't do anything more. ;) :y
Plenty of cheap tools to allow 'mileage correction' on digital odo cars.
AFAIK, real tech2 does NOT allow it.
Ow yes it does..... ::)
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A question for the 2 REAL Tech II owners. Have either of you ever tried to 'correct' the milage of an electronic display odometer ie Astra G? Not for fraudulent reasons obviously but just to see if you can! ;) If you plug a 'Cheapo Tech II' into the diagnostic port & go to BODY you can get the displayed milage up on the lap-top, & it gives you an opton to 'correct' it. I tried with my Astra G .... by a couple of miles both down & up ..... but it wouldn't do anything more. ;) :y
Plenty of cheap tools to allow 'mileage correction' on digital odo cars.
AFAIK, real tech2 does NOT allow it.
Ow yes it does..... ::)
Bet it needs Level 3 security clearance from TIS then :o
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thanx Richie. Just checked mine with the site you told us. Mine seems a bit dodgy too. :(. According to the records mine only did 430 miles between Mot's between 2006 and 2007, at the same garage as well. Maybe true but a bit fancyful i think. According to the service history i got with the car it had £1200 spent on it last July. I had credit card receipts and garage bills ( not the same one which MOT'd it ) and rang them up to confirm. All seemed above board so i took the plunge. Maybe that's why so much was spent on it last year. Got through MOT last week with no advisorys.
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Clocking cars is a lot more common than you would think and the guys that do this profesionally have tens of thousands of pounds worth of equipment to do this on any car you give them i personally know of a gentleman who does this for a living and spends an awfull lot of money doing so but also earns a lot of money doing it.
The one thing which suprised me though was his customers the majority of there cars where bentlys, porsches, rolls royce, ferrari, lambos, and even a 3 month old audi R8 being put back to new again!!!!
His famous words to me where the car you would never think has been done most proberly has. And always always always more than anything buy a car on condition not mileage.
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My car doesn't exist :-? :'(
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My car doesn't exist :-? :'(
Has it been clocked all the way back to the production line. ;D ;D ;)
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ive just been given a website to backtrack the history of my car. well im shocked and furious as to what ive found. mot 2007 states 92000
this yrs is 63000???
plus there is a history of work which i think has not been done. shall be taking legal action against this bloke i bought it off.
no wonder ive had all these probs
richie
Sorry to hear about your bad news Richie and I hope you can get some satisfaction out of any investigation that is carried out.
As for the site you quote it is indeed a very useful one to know. I have just checked my car and thank goodness all is in order! :y
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I saw all the paper work for mine.
I also used to know someone who bought a second hand car and the seller he bought it from always clocked cars back to zero :o :o
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My car doesn't exist :-? :'(
Has it been clocked all the way back to the production line. ;D ;D ;)
Looks like it. :(
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Richie, sorry to hear your new bud, I'm sue that once you've sorted your problems, if you haven't already, the mileage won't actually matter in the end it is the condition that counts.
Great site and is now a firm bookmark for the future. I'm glad to say my car checks out. It seemed to have a private plate from new until jsut before I bought it.
What worries me more than anything with this clocking going on is the risk to cam-belt failure if buyers don't realise that it, and otehr servicing, is overdue.
Mine is over-due for a cam-belt change BTW :'( I'm just trying to find someone to help me out and hold my hand for my 1st attempt.)
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if you have the tools and dvd its not hard,a tip i would pass on to a cambelt newbie is if you can lay your hands on a portable dvd player,you can watch a section and then do the work ,then watch the next section etc;it makes the job less intimidating the first time you do it . :y
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this is what im worried abouut now, the cambelt so will have to do it very soon now, i also found out late last night this bloke i bought the car off doesnt even live at the address he gave me when i bought the car.
never mind, things will sort it self eventually. :y :y
richie
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Sorry to hear about your problem hope you catch up with the villain thanks for the website that will come in handy
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if you have the tools and dvd its not hard,a tip i would pass on to a cambelt newbie is if you can lay your hands on a portable dvd player,you can watch a section and then do the work ,then watch the next section etc;it makes the job less intimidating the first time you do it . :y
yes i would definately go along with this one, or even better do what i done, use a laptop, so that if you get stuck you will have access to the wealth of info on here.
Regards
Nathan@Sumopower
*whoops seem to be in my work boots*
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my vectra 1997 has been clocked aswell although i ran a hpi check when i bought it it flagged up that when it was disposed of by Northampton police in 2001 it had 134k on it and when i bought it it had 79k it didnt really bother me as the car was very cheap and had 12months tax n test on it so i was happy
my mig however has a genuine mileage of 115k every test and service recipt is with the car so im happy :D
lots of crs are easy to clock and anyone with a laptop and usb lead can clock a volkwagen group car as the Diagnostics kit allows you to alter the speedo readings!
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what i finally found out was the bloke i bought the car from lives in gloucester. not maidenhead where i met him. the car dealer who sold the car to this bloke gave me the mileage he had on the mot, which was 92 thou. so the bloke i bought it from clocked it. and i havent a leg to stand on as he is not a trader. trading standards also said. you buy as seen. you pay for what youve bought.
what annoyed me was at the time i see my car and an elite same price but mine had done 30 thous less miles. thats why i bought it.
richie
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what i finally found out was the bloke i bought the car from lives in gloucester. not maidenhead where i met him. the car dealer who sold the car to this bloke gave me the mileage he had on the mot, which was 92 thou. so the bloke i bought it from clocked it. and i havent a leg to stand on as he is not a trader. trading standards also said. you buy as seen. you pay for what youve bought.
what annoyed me was at the time i see my car and an elite same price but mine had done 30 thous less miles. thats why i bought it.
richie
You need to pay a visit!
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ive a few ideas of my own. ;)
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Try Gloucester Police they are shit hot on traffic issues it is after all a Criminal offence
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Try Gloucester Police they are naff hot on traffic issues it is after all a Criminal offence
The only thing they are interested in!
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my facelift is on 109k now, you could set it to 55k and your average buyer would think its genuine!
Mine has 97,000 on the clock with the font bumper done and the brake pedal rubber replaced i could pass it off as having half the mileage it has with no problems at all
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just looked at my car on that site and it says inbetween the last mots its done 2 miles so thats a bit stange but it only a 400 quid run around :)
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ive just been given a website to backtrack the history of my car. well im shocked and furious as to what ive found. mot 2007 states 92000
this yrs is 63000???
plus there is a history of work which i think has not been done. shall be taking legal action against this bloke i bought it off.
no wonder ive had all these probs
richie
Just to clarify a bit, the website is run by VOSA, the vehicle operating standards agency, the web details are on the reverse of every new style computer printed MOT certificate. To access the status/history of your car you need 2 of these 3 things
1 - Reg Number
2 -Vehicle reg document ( V5C ) reference number
3 - MOT pass or fail certificate number.
You can obtain, free of charge all the MOT details for your car from the introduction of computerised MOT certs. the starting point of these vary as they were introduced gradually throughout the country.
The page will also show any ADVISORIES that were noticed at the time of the test, an advisory is an item which, at the time of the test, was not bad enough to fail but will require attention, good examples are tyres and exhausts. If a tyre is on or around the legal limit, the tester cannot fail it, he/she can only advise, if an exhaust has the entire outer skin missing it cannot be failed unless it is blowing to excess ( you are allowed a minor leak ) or in danger of falling off. There are many grey areas in MOT testing and a lot of items are down to the testers discretion, the tester can only record the testable items in the condition at the time of the test, this includes recording the mileage on the clock. Any mileage discrepancies are picked up on the National Mileage Register and on HPI, I believe VOSA sell this info to them to try and combat mileage fraud. Of course this depends on the buyer checking things out and also if the discrepancy has shown up, it can take weeks to get this info onto outside databases. The government is trying to make things better but as always the criminals are one step ahead. At a big car auction that we buy from, Central in Glasgow, if a buyer is not known to the auction house or does not have a trade account they must provide proof of identity, people were buying in false names, clocking the car, selling it on and if there was a comeback the auction did not know the buyers true details, this may have happened to you. On a lighter note, one of the spurious names given was, and bear in mind this is in Scotland;
Mr. W. Howard
6 GLENN CLOSE
KIRK DOUGLAS.
W. Howard ? Any ideas ? The electric hand dryers in toilets are made by Warner Howard. The rest I'm sure you'll recognise.
Goodnight, my fingers are aching!!!