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Title: Won't start. No ignition lights. Will crank.
Post by: chrisgixer on 05 July 2013, 16:55:27
As title.

Turns over strongly. No ignition lights. So can't pedal trick.

Will not start.

Thinking immobiliser. :(
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Post by: tunnie on 05 July 2013, 16:56:36
Key been apart recently?
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Post by: chrisgixer on 05 July 2013, 16:58:01
Yep, new battery yesterday.

Chip still present and correct. And I drove it here this morning.
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Post by: symes on 05 July 2013, 17:02:36
fuses---maybe?
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Post by: RobG on 05 July 2013, 17:14:06
As title.

Turns over strongly. No ignition lights. So can't pedal trick.

Will not start.

Thinking immobiliser. :(
Fuse #15
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Post by: chrisgixer on 05 July 2013, 17:27:44
Rob wins.

Replaced it with 27

Engine running. :y
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Post by: symes on 05 July 2013, 17:29:41
no--I said fuses :y :y :y :y
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Post by: tunnie on 05 July 2013, 17:30:08
Short on heated seat loom?
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Post by: RobG on 05 July 2013, 17:33:49
no--I said fuses :y :y :y :y
Bit of a generalisation there  :) Omega`s have over 30 fuses ::)
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Post by: symes on 05 July 2013, 17:36:32
yes but every miggy owner should know where the important one are :y especially when the vx fuse boxs are sh**
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Post by: tunnie on 05 July 2013, 17:42:10
yes but every miggy owner should know where the important one are :y especially when the vx fuse boxs are sh**

Really? Since when? I think they are rather bullet proof, only issues i've had is with a shorted power loom for heated seat blowing a fuse. Across all 4, and combined 300k+ all been faultless  ???
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Post by: RobG on 05 July 2013, 17:59:33
yes but every miggy owner should know where the important one are :y especially when the vx fuse boxs are sh**
Why didn`t you state fuse #15 then :-X ;D
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Post by: symes on 05 July 2013, 18:01:55
I have had fuses fall out :o :o understeering wheel :o contacts were loose---ended up doing all of them :(
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Post by: chrisgixer on 05 July 2013, 18:10:19
Rob wins. Op's decision is final. :P

But thanks Symes too.

I should have known tbh. But you know what I'm like with electrics. :(

But I am now home, had a shower, and enjoying a Beer in the garden. Cheers. :y
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Post by: dbug on 05 July 2013, 20:56:01
I have had fuses fall out :o :o understeering wheel :o contacts were loose---ended up doing all of them :(

Seems you've been somewhat unlucky mate - I've had quite a few Omegas and never ever seen that issue :o
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Post by: VXL V6 on 05 July 2013, 21:59:14
Nope, me either on 5 Omega's

I must be lucky  ;D

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Post by: symes on 06 July 2013, 09:45:45
mine was absolute pain--previous owner was a numpty--all sorts of electrickery faults when i got it---the lpg wires were all just twisted together and some were covered in sellotape :o :o have to admit--this only miggy i had were you go out and strange electrickery issues would occur---reckon baboon let loose on it at some time :(
Glad you got car started--however wonder why fuse went--wonder if Tunnie correct----as said had them fall out--but not blow ------yet--however never say never eh mate :-\
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Post by: chrisgixer on 06 July 2013, 10:00:34
Had a thought this morning, seem to remember a fuse blowing on an omega of mine. :-\

But can't remember, where, which omega, or indeed what fuse. It was at an Oof meet though, so had uncle TB to fix it, what ever it was.
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Post by: chrisgixer on 06 July 2013, 10:05:08
But why did 15 blow.

Iirc it did fire briefly, then cut out. Its done this a couple of times but didn't blow a fuse though.

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Post by: symes on 06 July 2013, 10:11:11
could it be connections on starter? or earths?
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Post by: chrisgixer on 06 July 2013, 10:24:30
Might be worth checking the earth strap I guess. They tend to rot where it rests on the under tray.
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Post by: RobG on 06 July 2013, 10:59:00
As Tunnie mentioned, check feed to driver`s heated seat for any chaffing
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Post by: chrisgixer on 06 July 2013, 19:31:23
Right, bloody things popped again.

Is this a seat out job. In the seat, or feed to the seat?

What's it chaffing on do we know?



The heated seat is buggered in the seat back anyway. After many attempts to fix it. Btw
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Post by: RobG on 06 July 2013, 19:52:55
Right, bloody things popped again.

Is this a seat out job. In the seat, or feed to the seat?

What's it chaffing on do we know?



The heated seat is buggered in the seat back anyway. After many attempts to fix it. Btw
Cable lives behind one of the seat motors so tricky to spot the damage
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Post by: RobG on 06 July 2013, 19:59:19
Reply #3 should help Chris http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=90228.0
and first post here http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=88636.0
Title: Re: Won't start. No ignition lights. Will crank.
Post by: chrisgixer on 06 July 2013, 20:04:37
Lets hope it's that, because I'm buggered if its not.

http://oldsite.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1256850472/0

Posting while I read Robs last.
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Post by: chrisgixer on 06 July 2013, 20:05:53
;D great minds.... Use google quicker than I do. ;)

Noted Rob ta
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Post by: RobG on 06 July 2013, 20:13:33
;D great minds.... Use google quicker than I do. ;)

Noted Rob ta
Nah, icon on desktop giving direct link to old site ;D
Title: Re: Won't start. No ignition lights. Will crank.
Post by: chrisgixer on 06 July 2013, 20:31:02
Seat is out of Tunnies car. LD said I was mad swapping interiors.


Assuming it's that 
Of course.
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Post by: RobG on 06 July 2013, 21:50:35
Use car for a while with heatpad plug disconnected. If no more fuse blowing, problem found
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Post by: chrisgixer on 06 July 2013, 21:57:36
Would the dash switch need to be on, heated seat in use?

Just asking ready for the morning.
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Post by: chrisgixer on 06 July 2013, 21:58:47
Plus, I could use the mv6 seat for a while.
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Post by: RobG on 06 July 2013, 22:16:19
If leaving existing seat in, unplug heatpad connector under seat. Ideally would be more prudent to remove seat and give all wiring a thorough check. Unlikely to be a fault with actual heatpads, strong probability that one or more of the wires have chaffed to expose copper core
Title: Re: Won't start. No ignition lights. Will crank.
Post by: chrisgixer on 07 July 2013, 14:02:45
I have fitted the mv6 seat so I can repair the Elite seat later.

Fault is exactly as described. Seat upside down, follow the heated seat loom from the back until it disapears under the side frame next to another loom that also leads to the same place into the heated seat control unit.

The conduit had been cut through along with the insulation to reveal bare copper touching the side frame. The bit if tape vx fitted to cover the edge had unfolded itself out flat to leave the metal bare, which then cut through the wire when the seat is occupied.

I have to say, I find it disgracefull a fault like this can cause the engine, and hence pas and brake assistance to cut out.
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Post by: chrisgixer on 07 July 2013, 14:06:34
But thanks to Oof it's been a short lived issue.

Cheers all. :)
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Post by: RobG on 07 July 2013, 14:17:23
 :y
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Post by: Weds on 07 July 2013, 14:35:40
I have fitted the mv6 seat so I can repair the Elite seat later.

Fault is exactly as described. Seat upside down, follow the heated seat loom from the back until it disapears under the side frame next to another loom that also leads to the same place into the heated seat control unit.

The conduit had been cut through along with the insulation to reveal bare copper touching the side frame. The bit if tape vx fitted to cover the edge had unfolded itself out flat to leave the metal bare, which then cut through the wire when the seat is occupied.

I have to say, I find it disgracefull a fault like this can cause the engine, and hence pas and brake assistance to cut out.

During my original fault finding I was surprised that fuse 15 supplied so many different things, when I think some of them (especially the heated seats) should be on there own fuse..
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Post by: chrisgixer on 07 July 2013, 14:48:12
I have fitted the mv6 seat so I can repair the Elite seat later.

Fault is exactly as described. Seat upside down, follow the heated seat loom from the back until it disapears under the side frame next to another loom that also leads to the same place into the heated seat control unit.

The conduit had been cut through along with the insulation to reveal bare copper touching the side frame. The bit if tape vx fitted to cover the edge had unfolded itself out flat to leave the metal bare, which then cut through the wire when the seat is occupied.

I have to say, I find it disgracefull a fault like this can cause the engine, and hence pas and brake assistance to cut out.

During my original fault finding I was surprised that fuse 15 supplied so many different things, when I think some of them (especially the heated seats) should be on there own fuse..
Very helpful info that turned out to be Weds, good to see you online again. :y