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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: Toledodude1973 on 13 August 2013, 22:02:22
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Am i ok using pattern discs on the rear brakes (2002 v6) or do they need to be vauxhall ,is there much difference in price thanks for help
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Am i ok using pattern discs on the rear brakes (2002 v6) or do they need to be vauxhall ,is there much difference in price thanks for help
I'd fit Vauxhall via Trade Club just because they are cheap enough on the TC scheme. Make sure you fit vented if that's what's already fitted (which I think will be fitted to your car) :y
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Any idea what sort of cost Andy?
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Any idea what sort of cost Andy?
Sorry, I've never had need to buy the rears, but if as cheap as the fronts won't be much different from pattern part prices. I've just tried to log into the Trade Club, but getting an error :'( :'(
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Yep that TC website is a load of krap!
Personally guess that pattern discs ok for rear as they don't do too much work - I've always used pattern pads on the rear without any problems and TC pads (and discs) on the front.
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Yep that TC website is a load of krap!
Personally guess that pattern discs ok for rear as they don't do too much work - I've always used pattern pads on the rear without any problems and TC pads (and discs) on the front.
I see your thinking, but what's the price difference of full retail price of pattern discs & discounted OEM discs? :-\
How much are pattern pads? TC rears are/were around £20 .................. My R Class's rear pads are all but £100 from MB :o :o :o
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Yep that TC website is a load of krap!
Personally guess that pattern discs ok for rear as they don't do too much work - I've always used pattern pads on the rear without any problems and TC pads (and discs) on the front.
I see your thinking, but what's the price difference of full retail price of pattern discs & discounted OEM discs? :-\
How much are pattern pads? TC rears are/were around £20 .................. My R Class's rear pads are all but £100 from MB :o :o :o
Pattern pads for the rear, incl pins and springs, were about £12. Used them on last 3 Omegas without issue. (saving about £24 in the process - not to be sniffed at - bought me getting on for 1/4 tank of petrol in the Jag ::) )
Similar price to your Merc for rear pads from Jag - pattern (Pagit or Mintex) around £25
Never had to replace rear discs on Omega so don't know prices - shows how little work they do ;)
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Never had to replace rear discs on Omega so ...
Likewise ;)
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Pattern rear discs are significantly cheaper than VX, changed mine twice now, but wouldn't like to say if genuine would have lasted longer :-\ car has done over 150k in my hands...
Rear pads can be got for next to nothing, but even genuine pads aren't expensive :y
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Just bought a set of genuine GM vented rear discs from Archie Moss via ebay, as existing heavily scored and corroded..found genuine at £105=00 delivered..genuine pads/shims/pins at £9=50 a set
Not sure how far of those prices are on TC but saved me the journey and delivered to my door inside 2 days
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Can't argue with that :y
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from memory, rear vented discs are abou £75 + vat a pair.
Rear pads and discs get a right hammering if you use traction control much.
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I was looking on ebay there 's a package set 2 rear discs ,pads, handbrake shoes and springs for £66 what do you folk in the know think--ebay item 22030912382 is it worth it ?
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Forgot to say dont know how to put" link" on here ---sorry
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I cant imagine anything on egay is of any use.
Pays yer money, you takes your choice.
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Brakes are something which I wouldn't take a chance on especially on a 1.7tonne barge.
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I was looking on ebay there 's a package set 2 rear discs ,pads, handbrake shoes and springs for £66 what do you folk in the know think--ebay item 22030912382 is it worth it ?
Think you may have incorret ebay number mate ;)
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I find Eurocarparts good for brake parts. very good prices. I always check TC price first and then ECP. :)
I like the pagid stuff.
but then I do drive like a grandma..... wouldn't have a clue what to buy if you needed performance.
out of interest OP do you definitely have vented?
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The discs on are non vented, sorry correct ebay no. 220309121382 i dont drive the car hard but as stated brakes are a bit vital on big motor
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The discs on are non vented, sorry correct ebay no. 220309121382 i dont drive the car hard but as stated brakes are a bit vital on big motor
Hmmmm. Rear brakes are obviously a vital component when it comes to stopping, but I'd worry less when it comes to the rear than the front. I'd not lose sleep over fitting cheap pads on the rear, but discs???? I'm not so sure.
I have no doubt others will testify that Aftermarket cheapies are perfectly acceptable, and I'd happily bow to their experience, but for the difference in price (when you consider you are changing the discs for the final time in the cars life)... why bother?
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yep thanks Broomie i think i'll go down the genuine part route not worth the risk
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I find Eurocarparts good for brake parts. very good prices. I always check TC price first and then ECP. :)
I like the pagid stuff.
but then I do drive like a grandma..... wouldn't have a clue what to buy if you needed performance.
out of interest OP do you definitely have vented?
I'm with you there, decent quality, right price and dead easy to find.
Last year I paid £60 over the counter for the solid rear discs, pads and some brake cleaner.
Hell, the Canter I drive every day has had Pagid pads in it for the last 40,000 miles.
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i'd personally have no qualms about putting non-vx pads or discs in. my personal view (not arguing just my opinion :)) is that vx are really very expensive.
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i'd personally have no qualms about putting non-vx pads or discs in. my personal view (not arguing just my opinion :)) is that vx are really very expensive.
Not on Trade Club, £100 for front discs and pads? it's also relative, price up discs and pads on an Audi A8. That is expensive ;)
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The discs on are non vented, sorry correct ebay no. 220309121382 i dont drive the car hard but as stated brakes are a bit vital on big motor
Those in the (not)link are SOLIDS, of no use if your car is currently fitted with vented rears :y
To fit them to a car that should have vented rear discs would be monumentally and criminally stupid :y
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The discs on are non vented, sorry correct ebay no. 220309121382 i dont drive the car hard but as stated brakes are a bit vital on big motor
Those in the (not)link are SOLIDS, of no use if your car is currently fitted with vented rears :y
To fit them to a car that should have vented rear discs would be monumentally and criminally stupid :y
*whispers* Al, he said they were solid! :y
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The discs on are non vented, sorry correct ebay no. 220309121382 i dont drive the car hard but as stated brakes are a bit vital on big motor
Shouldn't it have vented fitted to a late 2.6 car? :-\ :-\
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I knew that ;D :-[ :-X
But tis a point worth repeating, in case someone sees them and thinks they might be a cheap good idea :y
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I knew that ;D :-[ :-X
But tis a point worth repeating, in case someone sees them and thinks they might be a cheap good idea :y
People who think cheap brakes are a good idea generally end up in a hedge, or the arse end of a bus. ;D
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All DBW V6s should have vented, if it'd got solids on there, you want to change them ASAP.
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i'd personally have no qualms about putting non-vx pads or discs in. my personal view (not arguing just my opinion :)) is that vx are really very expensive.
Not on Trade Club, £100 for front discs and pads? it's also relative, price up discs and pads on an Audi A8. That is expensive ;)
I don't doubt Audi discs and pads are expensive. :)
As for the TC pads I was clearly ripped off by the dealer then cos when I bought front pads and discs on TC and took them up to martin's to help me fit them (back when I couldn't even change oil by myself ;D) they were more than that. on the TC site but it wont show prices for some reason.
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All DBW V6s should have vented, if it'd got solids on there, you want to change them ASAP.
I thought so. So Toledodude already has the wrong discs fitted ??? ??? ???
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Charged retail? Last time I bought a set, was around £75+ vat, although that was around a year ago. Think it's more £85 + vat now.
Try Ford, Fiat, ect, all similar prices. Vx are no worse than any other big dealer.
One key thing stopping me switching to Jag or Audi, is lack of access to trade parts.
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All DBW V6s should have vented, if it'd got solids on there, you want to change them ASAP.
I thought so. So Toledodude already has the wrong discs fitted ??? ??? ???
Yeah, sounds like it. Also recall posts here about pins/calliper falling out as vented are much bigger. So when the solid one wears, the calliper can fall out :o
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Yeah, sounds like it. Also recall posts here about pins/calliper falling out as vented are much bigger. So when the solid one wears, the calliper can fall out :o
piston ;) ;) ;)
It was MickDundee's car at a York meet that had brake fluid every where ......... & a stain on the driver's seat! ::) ::)
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Yeah, sounds like it. Also recall posts here about pins/calliper falling out as vented are much bigger. So when the solid one wears, the calliper can fall out :o
piston ;) ;) ;)
It was MickDundee's car at a York meet that had brake fluid every where ......... & a stain on the driver's seat! ::) ::)
Yeah that's what I meant :-[ ;D :y
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All DBW V6s should have vented, if it'd got solids on there, you want to change them ASAP.
I thought so. So Toledodude already has the wrong discs fitted ??? ??? ???
Yeah, sounds like it. Also recall posts here about pins/calliper falling out as vented are much bigger. So when the solid one wears, the pistons can fall out :o
Fixed :y
Pads held in by pins. Pads same across the range, but vented discs have a wider caliper with longer pad retaining pins and a wider anti rattle spring :y
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ToledoDude
You need to check that your discs should in fact be twice as thick as what you already have fitted ie you seem to have solid discs fitted when you should have vented discs fitted. If so you are in danger of losing the fluid from the rear brake circuit as & when one of the pistons (can't remember which - I have solid discs ;)) runs out of caliper as the pad wears. Net result is that you have half the brakes you should have!
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Ahh, just read forum again , got me worried , will look at discs tomorrow i know there solid so what else should i be checking size wise ,thanks for warning
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Vented disc calipers have an 'extra' section about 12mm wide between the two halves :y might also have 42 stamped on the outer piston side :y
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Are we sure 2.6,s have vented rears ? I know 3.2,s do,but Im not sure about the 2.6. :-\
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Are we sure 2.6,s have vented rears ? I know 3.2,s do,but Im not sure about the 2.6. :-\
exactly what I was thinking... when you put this engine size in to ECP it only comes up with solid rear discs
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Just checked again ,definitely solid( 2002 2.6 elite), please tell me front ones are not also vented as these on mine are solid!
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Iirc all omega fronts are vented apart from 2.0 ? :-\
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Iirc all omega fronts are vented apart from 2.0 ? :-\
Indeed :y
Just checked again ,definitely solid( 2002 2.6 elite), please tell me front ones are not also vented as these on mine are solid!
Are the calipers definitely not wider? Solid discs have a 2 piece caliper, Vented have 3 piece calipers.
Ideally need to get the wheel off to double check...
Think you need that looked at :-\
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Is it obvious 2 or 3 part caliper? any chance of any pics anyone ..bit nervous taking the car out now!
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Iirc all omega fronts are vented apart from 2.0 ? :-\
Incorrect, *ALL* Omega fronts are vented. Pre 1998 2.0l have a smaller diameter, but remain vented.
All post 2001 V6 (so all DBW V6) have vented rears when they leave the factory.
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is lack of access to trade parts.
I think you will find that getting GM parts at TC prices will become hard now...
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Is it obvious 2 or 3 part caliper? any chance of any pics anyone ..bit nervous taking the car out now!
Where is the disc relative to the middle of the caliper? If you have the correct disc fitted to the correct caliper, the disc should be more or less central to middle of the caliper. If you have a solid disc fitted to a vented caliper, then it will be offset to one side ie the difference in thickness between the solid & vented disc.
Are you sure you're not confusing solid/vented discs with those that are cosmetically crossed drilled? :-\
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Put another way, pads are about 15-18mm thick when new discs are 12mm solid and 18-20 vented.
If you can get your pinky between the caliper and the disc, then you have the wrong discs :y
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Thanks everyone , checking whole system tomorow cheers
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Thanks everyone , checking whole system tomorow cheers
Post some pictures :y :y
and if you say that your fronts are solid too ??? we could do with photo's of them too ;) ;)
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Fronts are vented , checked quickly earlier ,was getting a bit paranoid!
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Fronts are vented , checked quickly earlier ,was getting a bit paranoid!
:y :y :y
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Thanks Andy will sort rear ones tomorrow
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After seeing an episode of "Fake Britain" a couple of weeks ago on pattern car parts, I would be loathe to buy anything that didn't come from a reputable manufacturer.
Part of the episode showed a pattern disc being tested and it failed catastrophically after being subjected to heavy braking from 50mph, the failure was the brake disc itself simply breaking in two and coming away from the hub :o
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My 2.6 has vented rears
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My 2.6 has vented rears
As does my '51 plate 2.6
i'll give Toledo a ring see haow he's getting on ;)
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Sounds a bit confusing I am right in saying that you can only have a problem if you combine a solid disc and a vented caliper and that the pads are the same for solid and vented discs. I also assume that you could not fit a vented disc into a solid caliper.
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oh and what is a DBW V6? :-\
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DBW = drive by wire. i.e. 2.6 and 3.2
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DBW = drive by wire. i.e. 2.6 and 3.2
No mechanical throttle cable & linkage as on 2.5 & 3.0
DBW throttle is electronically controlled
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Thanks now I can use the lingo checked my car yes vented front and back.