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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: phil her up on 26 May 2008, 12:55:12
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OK enough is enough, not only are fuel prices spiraling out of control, even if I could afford it I can't go anywhere cause of the bloody weather. We have a government who couldn't care less, the country is full of johnny foreigners, the cost of living is getting a joke & chavs rule the streets, you cant go out at night for fear of getting stabbed. What has happened to our country?
sorry about that rant over :-/
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OK enough is enough, not only are fuel prices spiraling out of control, even if I could afford it I can't go anywhere cause of the bloody weather. We have a government who couldn't care less, the country is full of johnny foreigners, the cost of living is getting a joke & chavs rule the streets, you cant go out at night for fear of getting stabbed. What has happened to our country?
sorry about that rant over :-/
;) That`s great!....that`s two of us whom feel better after that rant: you for writing and I for reading it! :y
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Hey, no worries. There's alot of us around >:( :( :'(
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Yeah i'm feeling the same. :-/
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I filled up the tank yesterday, 60 litres at 108.9 pence per litre
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Boy do I feel great.
How ?
Well Asda in Wishaw was 110.9 per litre and using an Asda mastercard gets you an additional 2pence per litre off.
So I saved 6 pence per litre and £3.60 in total than if I'd filled up at home.
There, bet that cheers you up :-*
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OK enough is enough, not only are fuel prices spiraling out of control, even if I could afford it I can't go anywhere cause of the bloody weather. We have a government who couldn't care less, the country is full of johnny foreigners, the cost of living is getting a joke & chavs rule the streets, you cant go out at night for fear of getting stabbed. What has happened to our country?
sorry about that rant over :-/
;) That`s great!....that`s two of us whom feel better after that rant: you for writing and I for reading it! :y
Make that three. 1 to write, 1 to read and 1 to agree.
Although how i can agree without reading it im not sure. :-/
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Yes, me too Phil! I feel better for your rant already! ;D :y;)
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I agree with your rant! Saturday night I spent over an hour in a taxi queue full of foreigners as it is too dangerous to walk the two miles home! petrol was 113.9 here this week to add to my misery!
I feel better too now i have read, agreed and moaned!!!!
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if I'm not wrong cheap labour dreams of the boss hit you :-/
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the country is full of johnny foreigners
A rather sweeping, somewhat racist, statement?
I agree with your rant! Saturday night I spent over an hour in a taxi queue full of foreigners
What's the relevence? Aren't foreign people allowed to catch a taxi?
I know lots of decent hard working people of different ethnic or racial origin, I don't see
the problem with them being in the country or why they should be targeted by these comments?
I'm not at all happy about these statements - especially the "Johnny Foreigner" one.
While I agree there are areas the Government could do things differently, I think speaking in a derogitory fashion towards people of a different background isn't the way to tackle it.
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And please don't use the argument about they are claiming benefits from our taxes and get preferential housing.
I have encountered many British Nationals doing just the same...
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in my office....
One of my bosses is Spanish, he is Director of Development.
The media girl who deals with our TV adverts is an aussie, as is the Business Development Manager, i work with her a lot, very hard working, also very fit! ;)
We have South African guys in who are doing PHP contract work, the guy who built out Customer Service application is Polish, very hard working.
A member of our Java team is Turkish, great bloke, good coder we often go out for drinks along with the PHP team.
There are some English people i know who don't work nearly so hard, go on the piss every weekend, and do crap work.
Unfair generalisation going on there mate!
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in my office....
One of my bosses is Spanish, he is Director of Development.
The media girl who deals with our TV adverts is an aussie, as is the Business Development Manager, i work with her a lot, very hard working, also very fit! ;)
We have South African guys in who are doing PHP contract work, the guy who built out Customer Service application is Polish, very hard working.
A member of our Java team is Turkish, great bloke, good coder we often go out for drinks along with the PHP team.
There are some English people i know who don't work nearly so hard, go on the piss every weekend, and do crap work.
Unfair generalisation going on there mate!
I'm pleased I'm not alone in my thoughts...
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I think what your seeing is your "traditional UK nationals" getting sick and tired, as well as exasperated, by some of the things that go on in this country James.
The overly PC attitude, the constant shafting we get from our Government and the preferrential treatment some groups get over others.
And that i can well understand...
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I think what your seeing is your "traditional UK nationals" getting sick and tired, as well as exasperated, by some of the things that go on in this country James.
The overly PC attitude, the constant shafting we get from our Government and the preferrential treatment some groups get over others.
And that i can well understand...
As said, I agree the government are getting some things wrong - that's not under dispute.
I just think that as a result, the British Nationals should not take that out directly on people from other origins - as it's not specifically their fault what the government decide?
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Honestly speaking -except some original cases- foreigners live under the stress of prooving themselves which causes really good work ;D
I have seen here many examples also..
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I think what your seeing is your "traditional UK nationals" getting sick and tired, as well as exasperated, by some of the things that go on in this country James.
The overly PC attitude, the constant shafting we get from our Government and the preferrential treatment some groups get over others.
And that i can well understand...
As said, I agree the government are getting some things wrong - that's not under dispute.
I just think that as a result, the British Nationals should not take that out directly on people from other origins - as it's not specifically their fault what the government decide?
True. No dispute there.
Human Nature though will lash out at the beneficiaries rather than the decision maker.
But i do believe all Political Parties are "out of touch" with the general electorate - and that some of the views echoed above are pretty indicitive of the country.
Remember the recent thread on here with the poll asking who members would vote for in an election...and the BNP coming second :o
If any party could promise ( and prove it in advance) that they would sort out Education, law & order and Immigration they would win an election easily.
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Referring back to the initial post, I do agree with the fuel price bit.
I agree it will never be really cheap again, but it's also out of control!
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We are overrun by Poles here, some of whom use there nationality as an excuse for their behavior >:(
Liek the bus driver who DELIBERATLEY grazed his bus down the side of my old car, and when confronted claimed not to speak English, I ask you!
I am not tarring them all with the same brush, but when in Rome....
I am not racist, I despise all arseholes equally!
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Once the £1 per litre barrier was broken there was no going back, I notice that the French fishermans stirke was over the price of Diesel so it's not just the UK who are feeling the pinch. Even the US the prices have risen hugely,
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.....I'm not at all happy about these statements - especially the "Johnny Foreigner" one.
While I agree there are areas the Government could do things differently, I think speaking in a derogitory fashion towards people of a different background isn't the way to tackle it.
As a "Johnny bloody foreigner" living in North Wales; I`m well-used to seeing and receiving (daily) racism: the Welsh speakers patently hate the English "typical-townies" and seem to make efforts to keep it that way!.....The English incomers seem to intensely dislike the native Welsh and propagate insularity and the idea of the sullen/dirty Welsh "bumpkin". :-[
In a general British context:
These xenophobic feelings are age old and deeply felt issues James; they matter to people and in some ways define our view of ourselves and our Nation....whilst not fitting in to the spirit of the current 'P.C generation', people do see (and feel) change for the worse in their own situation and native land and see how mass-immigration has changed their-own lives.....surely that is a valid view and a personal expression of how they feel and as such they should be allowed to say so.
....a view, balanced (of course) by your-own thoughtful and considered vews/post. ;)
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The foreigners that i referred to in my post pushed to the front of said queue, claimed not to speak english or to understand our queuing system. the stewards employed by the taxi company proceeded to shove them in the next available taxi! FAIR? I think not. would be interesting to see how far i would get with similar tactics!
Im not rascist, but i am fed up with being treated as second class in my own country!
Sorry James if this upsets you, but i speak as i find.
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The foreigners that i referred to in my post pushed to the front of said queue, claimed not to speak english or to understand our queuing system.
See, these facts were not apparant in the original post - one can only respond based on the facts given at the time...
Still worth noting that UK nationals can be equally as rude - in my experience this behaviour is not limited to foreigners people of different origins...
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surely that is a valid view and a personal expression of how they feel and as such they should be allowed to say so.
Absoultely - maybe only it is acceptable when said a more tactful and sensitive and non derogitory way than the Original post, though?
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the country is full of johnny foreigners
A rather sweeping, somewhat racist, statement?
Given that racist statements are actually illegal, people should be careful accusing people of making them.
Saying “johnny foreigners” is not racist, even in the context of complaining about the country being full of them.
…in my experience this behaviour is not limited to foreigners people of different origins...
If the word “foreigners” has to be stamped out and replaced by multi-culti nuspeak like “people of different origins”, then freedom of speech is in trouble.
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Immigration is now a subject in the UK where most people are now too afraid to talk about for fear of being shouted down as racist or immediately branded a member of the BNP. Politicians will run a mile rather then talk about it. I think that most reasonable members of the public would be shocked if they knew the full extent to which the UK has now completely lost control of its borders. I am speaking here about non EU Immigration and Asylum which the UK Government still notionally is supposed to control. The problem has is now simply become to big to fix and is storing up some really dreadful future problems. Quite how the UK (an island surrounded by water) ended up in this mess no one in Government will explain but Germany a country with 9 borders has a problem on no where near our scale. The UK Government is now too timid to enforce many of its own immigration laws and even lacks the will to deport people known to be conspiring to commit acts of terrorism against its own citizens. The people in the Security Services and Anti Terrorist branch are in utter despair. The UK will pay a horrible price for the cowardice and rank politically correct stupidity of NuLabour and its predecessor the Major Government. The worlds biggest DNA database, 23% of the worlds CCTV camera's and a national ID card scheme wont save us from the mess they've created and what we’ve got coming. >:(
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Given that racist statements are actually illegal, people should be careful accusing people of making them.
Surely, unless a complaint is made regarding a specific instance, it's a matter of perception?
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the country is full of johnny foreigners
A rather sweeping, somewhat racist, statement?
I agree with your rant! Saturday night I spent over an hour in a taxi queue full of foreigners
What's the relevence? Aren't foreign people allowed to catch a taxi?
I know lots of decent hard working people of different ethnic or racial origin, I don't see
the problem with them being in the country or why they should be targeted by these comments?
I'm not at all happy about these statements - especially the "Johnny Foreigner" one.
While I agree there are areas the Government could do things differently, I think speaking in a derogitory fashion towards people of a different background isn't the way to tackle it.
Although Phil was just expressing a rant over everything that is frustrating the people of this country, and I believed his comment about foreigners was aimed at just the illegal variety, I do agree with you James that foreigners ARE NOT bad for this country. Quite the opposite indeed, with the success of our great country based on its citizens who are, with few exceptions, descendants of centuries worth of immigrants! In addition there are individuals like me, born in Malta, but with English parents and lived and worked in England for the majority of my life. Where do I fit in with the sweeping statement made? Am I, like all such children born abroad from militarily marriages, and others, included in this "foreigners" statement?
The later comments about "Johnny Foriegner" were at least very unfortunate and ill advised, and certainly racist. Whatever was actually meant by these statements it was very wrong and should stop now. I often joke about having a revolution in this country, but we must never go down the route the Germans did between 1933 and 1945, which included rising hatred against the Jews (my family is also of Jewish background).
Everyone legally in this country must be treated fairly as equals within our democratic and legal system. :y
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I thoroughly agree James and the subsequent comments have made me quite sick!
Please could everyone remember this site has a world wide spread, and I dread to think what those "foreigner" must be making of all this!
Please stop this racist comment now before it becomes totally OTT and illegal. I repeat we must never go down the Nazis Germany route!
They came for the foreigners,
and I did not stop them.
They came for the Jews,
and I did not stop them.
They came for the Trade Unionists,
and I did not stop them.
They came for me,
and there was no one left to stop them.
Remember, 54 million people died due to this ignorance.
May we never forget!
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I thoroughly agree James and the subsequent comments have made me quite sick!
Please could everyone remember this site has a world wide spread, and I dread to think what those "foreigner" must be making of all this!
Please stop this racist comment now before it becomes totally OTT and illegal. I repeat we must never go down the Nazis Germany route!
They came for the foreigners,
and I did not stop them.
They came for the Jews,
and I did not stop them.
They came for the Trade Unionists,
and I did not stop them.
They came for me,
and there was no one left to stop them.
Remember, 54 million people died due to this ignorance.
May we never forget!
Good point, well made Lizzie.
Trouble is when the public start to complain about the influx of migrant labour the radicals have a stage to propose their draconian policies and get support from the working man who thinks that if we sent back all those people the country would suddenly take an upturn and he would be in a job paying top money again.
The BNP are basically the friendly face of Nazism no matter how reasonable they sound, their core values are akin to those of Hitler and Mosley and they need to be treated as such not as a viable alternative to democratic government.
Rant over.
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As one of the original culprits I will just say that it was not a rascist comment but an opinion of which i am entiled to hold. reading back on this thread it seems to have got completely out of hand! someone mentions free speech so where is it? we are all entitled to our opinions based on personal experiences.
My own take on the word foreigner is someone who has no understanding of our language or culture, as i would be in any other country. indeed i am a foreigner in this country as i live in wales but do not speak welsh!
every one is entitled to an opinion and we should agree to differ.
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As one of the original culprits I will just say that it was not a rascist comment .
I genuinely believe you didn't mean it in that way - but you have to be aware that when said in a certain way - others can percieve it in a different context to how it was intended...
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I thoroughly agree James and the subsequent comments have made me quite sick!
Please could everyone remember this site has a world wide spread, and I dread to think what those "foreigner" must be making of all this!
Please stop this racist comment now before it becomes totally OTT and illegal. I repeat we must never go down the Nazis Germany route!
They came for the foreigners,
and I did not stop them.
They came for the Jews,
and I did not stop them.
They came for the Trade Unionists,
and I did not stop them.
They came for me,
and there was no one left to stop them.
Remember, 54 million people died due to this ignorance.
May we never forget!
Good point, well made Lizzie.
Trouble is when the public start to complain about the influx of migrant labour the radicals have a stage to propose their draconian policies and get support from the working man who thinks that if we sent back all those people the country would suddenly take an upturn and he would be in a job paying top money again.
The BNP are basically the friendly face of Nazism no matter how reasonable they sound, their core values are akin to those of Hitler and Mosley and they need to be treated as such not as a viable alternative to democratic government.Rant over.
Well spoken CaptainZok, and may they never prosper! :y
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In addition there are individuals like me, born in Malta, but with English parents and lived and worked in England for the majority of my life. Where do I fit in with the sweeping statement made? Am I, like all such children born abroad from militarily marriages, and others, included in this "foreigners" statement?
Were you born on Crown property?
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In addition there are individuals like me, born in Malta, but with English parents and lived and worked in England for the majority of my life. Where do I fit in with the sweeping statement made? Am I, like all such children born abroad from militarily marriages, and others, included in this "foreigners" statement?
Were you born on Crown property?
Liz says above she was born in Malta?
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In addition there are individuals like me, born in Malta, but with English parents and lived and worked in England for the majority of my life. Where do I fit in with the sweeping statement made? Am I, like all such children born abroad from militarily marriages, and others, included in this "foreigners" statement?
Were you born on Crown property?
Liz says above she was born in Malta?
I know but was it on Crown property?
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In addition there are individuals like me, born in Malta, but with English parents and lived and worked in England for the majority of my life. Where do I fit in with the sweeping statement made? Am I, like all such children born abroad from militarily marriages, and others, included in this "foreigners" statement?
Were you born on Crown property?
No. In a British military hospital but on Maltese land leased to the Crown as I understand it. I certainly ended up with a Maltese Birth Certificate. and only found out a few years back I had not automatically been registered back in the UK! That only happened after 1957 and I was born in 1953. An urgent British registration took place as a consequence. ;D :y
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I think this thread has been a perfect illustration of how the subject of Immigration in modern Britain is now completely taboo. It immediately degenerates into accusations of racism and the holocaust.
Better stick to a much safer subject like how to change the widget on your clapped out Omega ;D ;D ;D
OMG wasn't the Omega made by Germans :-X
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In addition there are individuals like me, born in Malta, but with English parents and lived and worked in England for the majority of my life. Where do I fit in with the sweeping statement made? Am I, like all such children born abroad from militarily marriages, and others, included in this "foreigners" statement?
Were you born on Crown property?
No. In a British military hospital but on Maltese land leased to the Crown as I understand it. I certainly ended up with a Maltese Birth Certificate. and only found out a few years back I had not automatically been registered back in the UK! That only happened after 1957 and I was born in 1953. An urgent British registration took place as a consequence. ;D :y
Do you know which field hospital? Want me to do any digging?
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In addition there are individuals like me, born in Malta, but with English parents and lived and worked in England for the majority of my life. Where do I fit in with the sweeping statement made? Am I, like all such children born abroad from militarily marriages, and others, included in this "foreigners" statement?
Were you born on Crown property?
No. In a British military hospital but on Maltese land leased to the Crown as I understand it. I certainly ended up with a Maltese Birth Certificate. and only found out a few years back I had not automatically been registered back in the UK! That only happened after 1957 and I was born in 1953. An urgent British registration took place as a consequence. ;D :y
Do you know which field hospital? Want me to do any digging?
No it was not a field hospital, but a great big building in Imtarfa, near Rabat that was ten years ago converted into apartments.
;)
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I think this thread has been a perfect illustration of how the subject of Immigration in modern Britain is now completely taboo. It immediately degenerates into accusations of racism and the holocaust.
Better stick to a much safer subject like how to change the widget on your clapped out Omega ;D ;D ;D
OMG wasn't the Omega made by Germans :-X
Here in Germany I decided to walk part of the way home last Friday night after a trip to the (not so) local nightclub, I live in a quiet area and on the officers patch so no risk, right?
I turn into my street and I hear the noise, making an awful racket, ripping stuff up, running around, basically in a frienzie. I try to go by without being noticed but then I get a warning not to come any closer or I was gonna get it. I'm 6'1" and 17st rugby player and he showed no fear at all. So I backed off slowly and waited for him to move on until trying again.
I have a pic of the ruffian here........................
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(http://www.hlasek.com/foto/sus_scrofa_8378.jpg)
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I love Germany, I'm hopeing I can stay here for as much of my military career as possible :y
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In addition there are individuals like me, born in Malta, but with English parents and lived and worked in England for the majority of my life. Where do I fit in with the sweeping statement made? Am I, like all such children born abroad from militarily marriages, and others, included in this "foreigners" statement?
Were you born on Crown property?
No. In a British military hospital but on Maltese land leased to the Crown as I understand it. I certainly ended up with a Maltese Birth Certificate. and only found out a few years back I had not automatically been registered back in the UK! That only happened after 1957 and I was born in 1953. An urgent British registration took place as a consequence. ;D :y
I was born HERE (http://www.barbsweb.co.uk/history/mtarfa.htm) and have a British birth certificate
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Immigration is now a subject in the UK where most people are now too afraid to talk about for fear of being shouted down as racist or immediately branded a member of the BNP. Politicians will run a mile rather then talk about it. I think that most reasonable members of the public would be shocked if they knew the full extent to which the UK has now completely lost control of its borders. I am speaking here about non EU Immigration and Asylum which the UK Government still notionally is supposed to control. The problem has is now simply become to big to fix and is storing up some really dreadful future problems. Quite how the UK (an island surrounded by water) ended up in this mess no one in Government will explain but Germany a country with 9 borders has a problem on no where near our scale. The UK Government is now too timid to enforce many of its own immigration laws and even lacks the will to deport people known to be conspiring to commit acts of terrorism against its own citizens. The people in the Security Services and Anti Terrorist branch are in utter despair. The UK will pay a horrible price for the cowardice and rank politically correct stupidity of NuLabour and its predecessor the Major Government. The worlds biggest DNA database, 23% of the worlds CCTV camera's and a national ID card scheme wont save us from the mess they've created and what we’ve got coming. >:(
Although I'm no expert in this subject but immigrant problem become really serious for UK and I see this with my own eyes years ago..
However there are many UK citizens living outside UK..And I think its normal for a historical empire to send and take enormous immigrant populations..
Also in my country in touristic zones even there are villages made up of Brits..And even local managers are UK citizens..
(And its a known fact that they keep their zones clean and tidy :y)
In addition to that here is also debates about a similiar subject even in senate to sell areas for foreigners or not..
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I think this thread has been a perfect illustration of how the subject of Immigration in modern Britain is now completely taboo. It immediately degenerates into accusations of racism and the holocaust.
Better stick to a much safer subject like how to change the widget on your clapped out Omega ;D ;D ;D
OMG wasn't the Omega made by Germans :-X
Here in Germany I decided to walk part of the way home last Friday night after a trip to the (not so) local nightclub, I live in a quiet area and on the officers patch so no risk, right?
I turn into my street and I hear the noise, making an awful racket, ripping stuff up, running around, basically in a frienzie. I try to go by without being noticed but then I get a warning not to come any closer or I was gonna get it. I'm 6'1" and 17st rugby player and he showed no fear at all. So I backed off slowly and waited for him to move on until trying again.
I have a pic of the ruffian here........................
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(http://www.hlasek.com/foto/sus_scrofa_8378.jpg)
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
He looks a bit of a nutter, that one. :o
Bet he's a right handfull after a couple of pints of Wobbly.
;D
Kevin
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In addition there are individuals like me, born in Malta, but with English parents and lived and worked in England for the majority of my life. Where do I fit in with the sweeping statement made? Am I, like all such children born abroad from militarily marriages, and others, included in this "foreigners" statement?
Were you born on Crown property?
No. In a British military hospital but on Maltese land leased to the Crown as I understand it. I certainly ended up with a Maltese Birth Certificate. and only found out a few years back I had not automatically been registered back in the UK! That only happened after 1957 and I was born in 1953. An urgent British registration took place as a consequence. ;D :y
I was born HERE (http://www.barbsweb.co.uk/history/mtarfa.htm) and have a British birth certificate
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....and what are you trying to say Martin? :-/ :-/ :-/
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He looks a bit of a nutter, that one. :o
Bet he's a right handfull after a couple of pints of Wobbly.
;D
Kevin
If you look at the froth on his upper lip I think you will find he is an Erdinger man!
Seriously though we watch these and deer from our balcony on a regular basis, its sooo cool!
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I had to be born there or I wouldn't be a British subject, my parents told me I qualified under the Crown Property rule
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It's all a mess, and has been for years....
My grandfather worked for the Foreign Office/Diplomatic Corps and spent most of his working life in India. My mother was born in Calcutta, her sister in Delhi another sister in Lahore etc etc, all in civil hospitals, but with a "Diplomatic Birth Certificate"
My mother was schooled in England - boarding school - and on leaving went straight into the WRAF - it was 2nd world war time. She did time in England, India and Germany, during this time she met/married my father, also in the RAF
Move on 25 years, my father died young, after a few years Mum decides/is persuaded to go on a holiday to Yugoslavia.. but she needs a passport... so we do the paperwork, to discover she is not entitled to a British Passport - in her own right - but can have one if we send in copies of Dad's Birth/Death/Marriage certificates !!!!!
So her father can work for HMG, she can serve during the War, but she can't have a passport except she can as she was "lucky" to marry someone with a passport already !!!!
Madness, utter madness
:-/ :-/
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If I want a passport it wouldn't be easy for me
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Mr Entwood unfortunately the Immigration and Borders Agency (as its now called having had another NuLabour relaunch) is awash with examples of this kind of stupidity. What about the loyal Gurkha soldiers now being treat like dirt by our wonderful Government?
Mind you if your wanted by numerous countries around the world and on the terrorist watch list, no problem. Welcome to the UK, passports in the post ;)
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Mark .. I get your point .. but what I described happend in the late 1970's .... :(
It was crap then .. and is still crap ... so called Civil Servants who are NOT civil .. and certainly don't "serve" .. it is/was easier to say "no" rudely than to try and help.
rant over .. sorry
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No need to apologise I understand your point perfectly. Sadly nothings changed.
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I had to be born there or I wouldn't be a British subject, my parents told me I qualified under the Crown Property rule
Right Martin, I understand now :y.
The situation is with me is the same as in the case of thousands of children born abroad to British parents whilst serving the Empire.
I was born to English parents (Grandfather one fought in the Royal Navy at Jutland 1916; Grandfather two died on 12th September 1940 in Tunbridge Wells during a German air raid; Grandmother one, East End London girl went through the Blitz; Grandmother two died of a broken heart in Tunbridge Wells in 1945 due to loss of her husband). Father served from 1940 in the Royal Navy for 26 years and was posted to Malta in 1951 with my Mother, and I was born two years later. As stated born in a British Military Hospital, where we were registered under both Maltese and overseas British administration; therefore had dual British and Maltese citizenship. After 1957 it was automatic for the British Military births to be registered in the UK automatically, but in 1953 this was not so. Therefore, unknown to my parents, although returning to England in 1954 and subsequently being given official status (Passport, National Insurance No. etc) as a British citizen, due to an official oversight I was not actually registered in the UK, only on the British military register! Very confusing, but it resulted in UK Passport Office very urgently 'registering' me and providing a new birth certificate retrospectively within three days in 2004. Although always not only British, but English, to English parents / grandparents / greatgrandparents, etc it has only been properly registered now for a few years! :y :y
This is the type of mess that so many ex-military children have to face if born abroad! ::) ::)
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1962 for me - better check though - I wonder if I am dual nationality?
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1962 for me - better check though - I wonder if I am dual nationality?
You could be Martin, but I think it all depends on how your registration was handled at the time and what birth certificate documentation you possess now; is it of local origin or British issue?
:-/ :-/
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I just think that as a result, the British Nationals should not take that out directly on people from other origins...
Here is an example of British Nationals taking it out directly on people from other origins:
megahate (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1509664/Muslim-protests-are-incitement-to-murder,-say-Tories.html)
I hope this usefully demonstrates how worthless politically-correct euphemisms are.
I also chose that link to illustrate why discussion of problematic foreign influences is legitimate, and should not be distracted by accusations of racism. The UK establishment is paralysed by its "Islington" fear of seeming racist, and thus simply cannot address the fact that a culture profoundly opposed to British traditions is taking root with the stated intention of taking over. Despite open incitement to murder, the police took no action and the UK government condemned the peaceful exercise of free speech in the heart of Europe. This is what happens when people fear being labelled "racist".
It isn’t racist to be opposed to cultural and religious ideas. Unless somebody speaks or acts against a person or persons based specifically on racial/ethnic grounds, leave the "racist" accusations out, please.
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leave the "racist" accusations out, please.
It's not an accusation, it's an opinion, and one I will not "leave out" but continue to defend. I have as much right to oppse the comment, as you have to defend it!
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Enough is enough! every one has the right to their opinion and nothing said here will change that! We need to agree to differ before people really fall out!
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Well having watched and read the replies etc., etc.,.... ;D ;D ;D...yes have to laugh ;D....anyway the Johnny foreigner statement by no means is a racist remark by any mean or form :y...I am open to debate on my opinion of course ( but please do your homework first :y) ;D
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Well i was born in cardiff wales but ended up living in cambridge for 25 yrs so i was a foreigner living in cambridge i say i was but they was or shall i say very nice people and i married two english men while living there and i love the english so much that i now have an english boyfreind which is james and i dont think that any one should be called foreigners we are all humans after all and should get on with every one and not critize any one rant over!
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Foreigners exist! Its a commonly used term! Let it go! ::)
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Yes they do ljay but in my mind i dont think we should use the word and just say we are all people from differant countrys and i would so mad it some was too come up to me and call me a foreigner even though in there mind i was one back in cambridge but we have just got get on with all nationalitys , we are after all humans and just get on weather we like it or not and its not a nice word to use in my eyes!
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well in my eyes its not an offensive term, its a fact! agree to differ and deal with it! ::)
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It may not be an offensive but its still not at all nice to be called a foreigner and i hate the word and i should'nt be made to deal with it and i would not go up to any one and call them a foreigner to there face i have respect for people as i use to have students that i use have and i never ever called them foreigners to there faces as its not a nice word to use!
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THe term for someone from a different country is foreigner and is a statement not an insult.
I am foreign to a French person and they are foreign to me - no issue no worry just means a different country.
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I do know martin but i just dont like to be called one or even call any one to there face so i am not saying an other word on the matter thats my rant over with!
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I do know martin but i just dont like to be called one or even call any one to there face so i am not saying an other word on the matter thats my rant over with!
You're not foreign you are Welsh & British - a different class - within GB you are not foreign - only foreign when you are abroad.
I am BTW just British
I have slightly upset the Irish before in a nice way - saying they are not really foreigners - they speak same language, watch same TV, almost the same culture.
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the way i see it, if your born out of london your a johnny foreigner ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Must say I agree with JLay's last comments
We all have different opinions, are entitled to hold them - and on occasions will need to agree to disagree :y
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the way i see it, if your born out of london your a johnny foreigner ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
:o Oi!....I resemble that! ;D ;D ;D
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I do know martin but i just dont like to be called one or even call any one to there face so i am not saying an other word on the matter thats my rant over with!
You're not foreign you are Welsh & British - a different class - within GB you are not foreign - only foreign when you are abroad.
I am BTW just British
I have slightly upset the Irish before in a nice way - saying they are not really foreigners - they speak same language, watch same TV, almost the same culture.
for the record martin (and definitely not wanting to start another argument)-northern ireland=u.k.-not foreign.republic of ireland-independant state-so therefore a foreign country. :y
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I do know martin but i just dont like to be called one or even call any one to there face so i am not saying an other word on the matter thats my rant over with!
You're not foreign you are Welsh & British - a different class - within GB you are not foreign - only foreign when you are abroad.
I am BTW just British
I have slightly upset the Irish before in a nice way - saying they are not really foreigners - they speak same language, watch same TV, almost the same culture.
for the record martin (and definitely not wanting to start another argument)-northern ireland=u.k.-not foreign.republic of ireland-independant state-so therefore a foreign country. :y
I can remember a time (70`s?) when the British national Tv. weather forecast didn`t even show the Republic of Ireland on the map: just the 6 counties of N.I as a little 'island' on it`s own.......if that was 'political' I can only guess, but an example of attitudes at the time! :-/
:P BTW: Has anyone yet noticed; I`m 'Foreign'? ;D
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are you a great dane ? ;D
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are you a great dane ? ;D
:o Danes!......`splitters!!!!! ;D
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you have moved around a bit then debs ? iceland/usa/wales...
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you have moved around a bit then debs ? iceland/usa/wales...
;D......I`m on the run! ;D
;D The witless protection programme! ;D
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It may not be an offensive but its still not at all nice to be called a foreigner and i hate the word and i should'nt be made to deal with it and i would not go up to any one and call them a foreigner to there face i have respect for people as i use to have students that i use have and i never ever called them foreigners to there faces as its not a nice word to use!
Thanks for the info.. :y
Here in my country the word "foreign" is very commonly used ..And even in official language and govt papers..
Also we use matching word "yabanc[ch305]" (same meaning) but never thought this will hurt people ..And I use the same for my wife even she has Turkish citizenship as second ..
Must be culture difference :-/
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you have moved around a bit then debs ? iceland/usa/wales...
;D......I`m on the run! ;D
;D The witless protection programme! ;D
;D ;D ;D :y.........did i mention that i am writing from a home for the bewildered,......explains a lot i imagine :D ;D
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THe term for someone from a different country is foreigner and is a statement not an insult.
I am foreign to a French person and they are foreign to me - no issue no worry just means a different country.
Exactly why a thing such as this (http://www.fco.gov.uk/en/) exists...
Lets live and let live..... :-/
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Lets live and let live..... :-/
Agreed :y
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I do know martin but i just dont like to be called one or even call any one to there face so i am not saying an other word on the matter thats my rant over with!
You're not foreign you are Welsh & British - a different class - within GB you are not foreign - only foreign when you are abroad.
I am BTW just British
I have slightly upset the Irish before in a nice way - saying they are not really foreigners - they speak same language, watch same TV, almost the same culture.
for the record martin (and definitely not wanting to start another argument)-northern ireland=u.k.-not foreign.republic of ireland-independant state-so therefore a foreign country. :y
Not very though
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I do know martin but i just dont like to be called one or even call any one to there face so i am not saying an other word on the matter thats my rant over with!
You're not foreign you are Welsh & British - a different class - within GB you are not foreign - only foreign when you are abroad.
I am BTW just British
I have slightly upset the Irish before in a nice way - saying they are not really foreigners - they speak same language, watch same TV, almost the same culture.
for the record martin (and definitely not wanting to start another argument)-northern ireland=u.k.-not foreign.republic of ireland-independant state-so therefore a foreign country. :y
I can remember a time (70`s?) when the British national Tv. weather forecast didn`t even show the Republic of Ireland on the map: just the 6 counties of N.I as a little 'island' on it`s own.......if that was 'political' I can only guess, but an example of attitudes at the time! :-/
:P BTW: Has anyone yet noticed; I`m 'Foreign'? ;D
Thought you were originally British