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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: chrisgixer on 09 October 2013, 23:23:06
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The medical term, NOT the film or commonly accepted but incorrect association with the fear of heights.
A family member felt unwell, he's living in Spain currently. Had been playing golf, and then jogging, gently, for fear of a repercussion of the symptoms, which keep re occurring, and did so again. Activity seems to bring it on. Jogging, walking etc
Dizzyness and disorientation
Nausea
Sweating
Came close to passing out
Felt weak during, and after for some considerable time.
It then passed. Only to reoccur to a lesser degree several hours later, with slowly increasing intensity, while driving home. Happened to see a Hospital sign and pulled in.
After being put on a drip of some sort unknown, and a pill of some sort unknown, after a half hour he felt ok, and the Dr said "you have Vertigo" :-\ but the Dr had averted what was heading for a similarly serious episode.
Googling suggests if it (Vertigo) occurs while upright its more likely to be caused by a part of the brain rather than the normal inner ear abnormality. Bit as we know the internet is always wrong, and most medical conditions always bring up the same phone book of symptoms, mostly similar to those described.
Sounds serious, or is it? Is it even Vertigo. :-\
There are also recurring instances after a food poisoning episode (campylobacter) several years ago, of upset stomach and nausea to varying degrees. He's never been right since.
Needless to say the usual medical channels are being followed. But in the mean time, I know there's a member or two with medical knowledge on here, so any thoughts?
Ta
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Is the water in Spain ok to drink btw? I'm sure it probably is, but we had a tummy upset out there when visiting this year.
Plus I'm told the "Vertigo" is not specific to Spain, it happens in the uk as well.
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Is the water in Spain ok to drink btw? I'm sure it probably is, but we had a tummy upset out there when visiting this year.
Plus I'm told the "Vertigo" is not specific to Spain, it happens in the uk as well.
Are you on something? of course it does, I suffer to a small degree in my office, depending on which window I look out of, different levels... ::) Amazingly when younger, teens + I used to love Rock Climbing and Abseiling, as does Miss Vamps now.... :y :y
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Is the water in Spain ok to drink btw? I'm sure it probably is, but we had a tummy upset out there when visiting this year.
Plus I'm told the "Vertigo" is not specific to Spain, it happens in the uk as well.
Are you on something? of course it does, I suffer to a small degree in my office, depending on which window I look out of, different levels... ::) Amazingly when younger, teens + I used to love Rock Climbing and Abseiling, as does Miss Vamps now.... :y :y
No silly, the vertigo of the family member... ::) ;D
Vertigo is not related to heights. ;)
Although fear of heights is.
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If he's living in a hot climate, it may just be dehydration, as the symptoms fit, especially if it's happening while and after he's been active. ;)
It could be that he's not taking on enough fluids or if he is, the wrong kind of fluids, too much alcohol, coffee, or soft fizzy drinks! ::)
Water and plenty of it is required!! :y :y :y
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+1 for dehydration.
other possibilities: diabetes (but a simple blood test should rule this out)
poisoning - I don't mean deliberate, but I got something like the same symptoms when I was young and silly, and spent a day routing MDF without a dust mask. Was about six months before I fully recovered.
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Yes, dehydration has been discussed, loads of fluids taken daily though. All water, all bottled. Which reminds me, they have water in blue bottle, everyone uses is it you see the bottles everywhere, it doesn't have that softened water taste of the other evian types. Its lovely. Sounds odd, water is water, right? Oh no ;)
Any cooking water used is filtered tap water. ....and very nice it is too. Britta chilled and filtered, works equally well. Ice is bagged from the supermarket.
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Pretty sure he's been tested for diabetes.
Although he was talking about an insurance policy, of some sort, that entitled you to a full check up once a year, which included numerous tests that it was thought could be related. Test for diabetes was included. So maybe not.
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has your family member seen the ent surgeon, as the symptoms you describe are almost the same as menniere's/labarynthitis ( hope I've spelt this correctly). having had two serious bouts and several minor incidents which I put down to the same thing, I can say it never really lets go completely. stress and tiredness I think plays a part in instigation and recurrence, but can't say for sure. if these attacks are coming without warning, driving is definitely of the menu as when I had the first bout I couldn't stand !
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It does sound like vertigo, but that is a symptom and not a diagnosis. There are many causes for vertigo ranging from viral infections of the inner ear (v difficult to diagnose and treat, ussually passes on it's own) to the more serious neurological disorders.
Here is what is running through my mind:
If he has been drinking water all day there is a possibility that it could be hypertronea (drinking too much water and thus diluting the salts in the blood)
You mentioned food poisoning, when was it exactly? Was it bacterial or parasitical?
Has he been checked for and bites, stings, cuts or infections? What is his white blood cell count?
I would be looking at whether the weakness is being caused by the vertigo, or if there is another cause (his blood work should tell you that - WBC, Glucose levels - as well as HR and BP ie working out actual exertion against perceived exertion)
It can be tricky to sort out, it might be worth looking at getting him to a hospital where they are more diligent rather than just treating the symptoms. From what I hear this can be easier said than done in Spain :-\
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It could be Vasavagal Syncope?
http://www.ruh.nhs.uk/For_Clinicians/departments_ruh/Older_people_unit/documents/vasovagal_syncope_leaflet.pdf
I can confirm dosesn't only affect older people.
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Food poisoning was caused by a dodgy chicken sandwich from tescos in 2005. But, new symptom, it seems, on asking that question, he's never been right even from a child re stomach issues. It seemed every time he went away, he'd be ill, often admitted to hospital.To the point they removed his appendics. It didn't help.
Crohns?
Ok this is arse backwards. I'm told ::) the underlying trend from the beginning/a child is the Crohns(not saying it is its just quicker to type ) type symptoms. Other siblings experience similar, ie, unexplained upset stomach when on holiday. Holiday could be a week at home, a week in Devon, a week in Spain. The destination being irrelevant but the change in lifestyle being more pronounced.
The passing out, nausea sensations in the first post is a new symptom since June this year. For the subject in question.
There is also a connection among siblings related to vigorous exercise causing the light headed symptoms, and less so the Crohns type symptoms.
...on further questioning, the resemblance among siblings is almost the same, more or less. Except the passing out, Nausea, feeling weak etc, from the sibling in Spain is worse, and occurrences more frequent and less and less connected to exercise.
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The medical term, NOT the film or commonly accepted but incorrect association with the fear of heights.
A family member felt unwell, he's living in Spain currently. Had been playing golf, and then jogging, gently,for fear of a repercussion of the symptoms, which keep re occurring, and did so again. Activity seems to bring it on. Jogging, walking etc
Dizzyness and disorientation
Nausea
Sweating
Came close to passing out
Felt weak during, and after for some considerable time.
It then passed. Only to reoccur to a lesser degree several hours later, with slowly increasing intensity, while driving home. Happened to see a Hospital sign and pulled in.
After being put on a drip of some sort unknown, and a pill of some sort unknown, after a half hour he felt ok, and the Dr said "you have Vertigo" :-\ but the Dr had averted what was heading for a similarly serious episode.
Googling suggests if it (Vertigo) occurs while upright its more likely to be caused by a part of the brain rather than the normal inner ear abnormality. Bit as we know the internet is always wrong, and most medical conditions always bring up the same phone book of symptoms, mostly similar to those described.
Sounds serious, or is it? Is it even Vertigo. :-\
There are also recurring instances after a food poisoning episode (campylobacter) several years ago, of upset stomach and nausea to varying degrees. He's never been right since.
Needless to say the usual medical channels are being followed. But in the mean time, I know there's a member or two with medical knowledge on here, so any thoughts?
Ta
Could be acute anxiety, Mr Gixer........because it doesn't sound like vertigo to Doctor Opti. ;)
Is he overly worried or stressed at present?
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Probably Dr Opti, but the symptoms never arise during stressful situations. Only when away from any psychological stressful environment.
Stress on the body seems more relevant perhaps? :-\
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Not got a clue about the cause so no point
googleing Chris.
Said person just needs to get himself down to the Spanish (or English) quacks and have a full physical and blood tests done :)
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Not got a clue about the cause so no point googleing Chris.
Said person just needs to get himself down to the Spanish (or English) quacks and have a full physical and blood tests done :)
Yep, that's all going on in the background. Just interested in a few opinions. ;)
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Fairly obvious I am sure, but presumably he is not on any permanent medication that has such symptoms listed - in very small print - as a possible side effect. (Don't ask why I know this, ::) ::) ::))
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No drugs of any sort involved. :y
He doesn't drink much, never smoked.
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How old is your relative as i was informed at Ipswich ENT clinic that Menieres rarely affect people over sixty, so could
be Labyrinthitis. :-\
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43 and 37 years old.
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Crohns?
Age wise it is unlikely as most cases are diagnosed before 30, that said yours truly was diagnosed with it at 34. If it was related to IBD I would expect all if not most of the following:
abdominal pain (esp lower right quadrant - from patient's perspective)
blood in stool (that said it is not present it every case and it only presents during an actual flare)
chronic diarrhoea or loose stool
high white blood count
lose of appetite
acute weight loss
lose of energy
vomiting (only during flares)
absorption of food
low vit D*, b12, b6
pale skin (during flares)
*in sunny countries this can be normal
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No dizziness? Feeling week?
So possibly two unrelated problems if one is Crohns. :-\
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No dizziness? Feeling week?
So possibly two unrelated problems if one is Crohns. :-\
they could be symptoms related to the lose of energy. When you have a crohns flare you, often, can't eat alot if at all yet your body is producing White blood cells like it's life depended on it. These can cause low sugar levels leading to dizziness and feeling weak. But these would not present in isolation of the other symptoms i mentionned which would specifically lend toward IBD.
Due to the nature of what causes them can be such a wide range of possibilities their presence would only partially guide you to a diagnosis. While I was undiagnosed I was sent to liver specialists, had HIV tests, celiac tests (twice) .... even tests for pylori-bacter ( stomach ulcer/cancer)
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Being an Ex Scuba Driver, I was told vertigo can also be brought on by Ear issues, ie, ear infection, tooth ache issues, block ear by wax or inflation, sinus issues and saliva gland, a small hole inside your mouth under your ear that can become blocked with food or small body stones.
The fluid in your ears tell the brain which way up you are, and side effects of the ear fluid issues can also be Vertigo and disorientation.
A good example of this is when you lye down and watch the TV, the brain knows your lying down and lets you focus on the picture as normal, try turning the TV on its side and try and watch it whilst sitting up right, doesn't work.
Chris.
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As said, Vertigo is a symptom not an illness ::) Not really surprising that he has been mis diagnosed though.
I suggest you/H have a good chat to someone who knows what goes on in the ears this weekend ;)
But it could be many things... Labrynthitis, Menieres, etc...
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Mrs TB started getting Vertigo about 10yrs ago, following a viral infection that has made the little hairs in the inner ear turn more crystaline. It really screwed her up for weeks, and in her case, will never be "cured". The brain learns to "ignore" the duff signals, and is more reliant on other senses. However, things like falling snow flakes really disorient her, and things that would make most of us slightly dizzy, such as going round going up or down multistoey carparks, make her quite unwell.
One of my bro's gets it as well. It seems his was caused following a flight. And flights seem to set him off again (seem to recall he said it may be related to the presssure).
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Maybe the flights set it off? Noise cancelling headphones create an odd numb sensation in the ears as well, which he takes on the plane of course.