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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: darrenfos on 14 October 2013, 19:57:08
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hi all could someone advise me are mintex brakes any good have a 2001 2.6 omega estate elite now would like to put vaux discs all round but seem so expensive because im to start other jobs tomorrow service and rocker covers used all gm parts for that bought mintex pads online but could do with some advise before i go any further as i only spent £38 for both sets of pads so far mainly disc advise would be great thanks Darren.
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Whatever discs your local motor factors stock will be fine, with three caveats...
1. Don't expect top end brake performance.
2. Don't expect the discs to last more than one pad change.
3. Double check your rear discs to ensure that they are vented or not.
For point three, take the wheel off to check as the vented discs have a thicker caliper (looks like a piece about 8mm thick has been stuffed in the middle of the caliper body). Be warned though that some cars which left the factory with vented discs may be fitted with solid discs. This is dangerous as when the pads wear, the pistons are forced out further than they were designed to and can fall out completely, killing your brakes and quite possibly you :o
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The cheap shite that mintex sell are cheap for a reason. They really are incredibly poor.
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2. Don't expect the discs to last more than one pad change.
When I had that year trying various different cheaper options, I didn't get anything to last more than 3 months :'(
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they are vented on the rear was a bit hesitant on buying cheap
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also vauxhall wanted like £120 for front and about £160 for rear (including pads) seems really expensive anyone got some other ideas on good makes dont travel that much about 4-5k a year
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they are vented on the rear was a bit hesitant on buying cheap
Have had no real gripe with Apec discs :y they don't last as well as Vauxhall ones, and their pads aren't as good as even the cheapy Trade Club ones, but I have fitted them on several of my cars, Omega included :y
The Vauxhall disc and pad set is actually price competitive compared to pattern aftermarket discs/pads. Certainly pays to shop around :y
Oh and shop locally rather than ebay for service items :y
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are pagid any good sold by euro parts ?
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On trade club, front discs and pads are around £80 from a Vauxhall dealer. Good performance for average driving :y
Rear pads are only around £10 a pair, the discs don't need replacing unless seriously rusted or pitted. Rear discs on my 2.2 are 166k old....
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On trade club, front discs and pads are around £80 from a Vauxhall dealer. Good performance for average driving :y
Rear pads are only around £10 a pair, the discs don't need replacing unless seriously rusted or pitted. Rear discs on my 2.2 are 166k old....
... Which made absolutely no sense at all given that I rebuilt the rest of the rear brakes ::)
Fixed :y
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Eh? ???
I put new shoes and pads in all good, it's the rear discs which are silly prices
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the car has done 76,000 only just got it thing is you know the rim of the disc it was over lapping the face of disc by a mm is that ok cheers
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the car has done 76,000 only just got it thing is you know the rim of the disc it was over lapping the face of disc by a mm is that ok cheers
Front or rear? 1 MM sounds ok, save up for a decent set if brakes. The Omega is a heavy car :y
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rear brakes
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rear brakes
1mm is ok in my book. That's a tiny lip, worn but still good. How are the pads?
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they will be changed
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they will be changed
Get GM ones. Nice and cheap. If the anti rattle pins are a bit rusted order a replacement pair of those too they are not much :y
Worth a blast of plus gas to help free up those pins too :)
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rear brakes
1mm is ok in my book. That's a tiny lip, worn but still good. How are the pads?
::) Ahem... I know you'd reuse your screenwash if you could find a way to collect it, but that is potentially dangerous advice :-\
1mm on each face = 2mm = minimum thickness = change them :y
Should be able to get rear discs for £30-35 each :y
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are pagid from euro parts any good there about 35 per disc
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I don't see a problem with that wear on the rear, with fresh pads fitted.
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are ferodo any good for disc can get front for £60 and rear vented for £74
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Doesn't make it right ::)
Rear discs are 20mm thick, minimum thickness is 18mm. Which last count was 20-(1x2)=18...
I shall leave someone more technically conversant to explain why they have a MINIMUM thickness :-X
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are ferodo any good for disc can get front for £60 and rear vented for £74
Sounds pretty reasonable :y
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I don't see a problem with that wear on the rear, with fresh pads fitted.
Nor do I. If they aren't cracked,warped or less than minimum thickness why change them ? Ive never changed the discs on a car in my life,so far. May need to soon though as my fronts seem to be showing signs of warpage.
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So once they reach minimum thickness, then they simply stop wearing ::) especially with new pads that won't last five minutes because of the lip on the disc...
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Doesn't make it right ::)
Rear discs are 20mm thick, minimum thickness is 18mm. Which last count was 20-(1x2)=18...
I shall leave someone more technically conversant to explain why they have a MINIMUM thickness :-X
At some point they will become too thin to cope with the stresses and heat cycles they go through and break. Whether that point is close to the recommended figure,or the recommended figure has an element of wanting to sell parts,we can only guess.
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4x Omega's - 300k+ miles covered. Number of rear discs replaced = 0
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People do tend to worry too much (and use their brakes too much) Tunnie. :y :D ;D
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4x Omega's - 300k+ miles covered. Number of rear discs replaced = 0
Well whoop di doo...
Mine is on its third set of rear discs in 255k, so go figure...
Sorry, fourth set. Plod put a set on it at about 75k :y
Have also had a vented disc on one of my Granadas fracture under braking, as a direct result of not replacing it at least one pad change earlier...
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4x Omega's - 300k+ miles covered. Number of rear discs replaced = 0
Well whoop di doo...
Mine is on its third set of rear discs in 255k, so go figure...
Sorry, fourth set. Plod put a set on it at about 75k :y
Think some people need to read road ahead better :o
That's appalling wear rate for rear discs
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4x Omega's - 300k+ miles covered. Number of rear discs replaced = 0
Well whoop di doo...
Mine is on its third set of rear discs in 255k, so go figure...
Sorry, fourth set. Plod put a set on it at about 75k :y
Think some people need to read road ahead better :o
That's appalling wear rate for rear discs
Not really... TC applies rear brakes too ;)
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4x Omega's - 300k+ miles covered. Number of rear discs replaced = 0
Well whoop di doo...
Mine is on its third set of rear discs in 255k, so go figure...
Sorry, fourth set. Plod put a set on it at about 75k :y
Think some people need to read road ahead better :o
That's appalling wear rate for rear discs
Not really... TC applies rear brakes too ;)
Most apparent on snow 8)
It is also an estate, it works for a living so is often loaded, and I actually enjoy driving it :y
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4x Omega's - 300k+ miles covered. Number of rear discs replaced = 0
Well whoop di doo...
Mine is on its third set of rear discs in 255k, so go figure...
Sorry, fourth set. Plod put a set on it at about 75k :y
Think some people need to read road ahead better :o
That's appalling wear rate for rear discs
I make that about 85k per set. Thats not bad. Not everyone has easy motorway runs. Also remember that V6 traction control does give the rear brakes a good thumping.
Once they are at the minimum thickness, you do really need to change them. The brake designers (the wear limits are likely to come from the initial disc supplier, based on their expertise and calculations) don't just specify it for fun. Its not just heat dissipation, its the structural strength of the disc. A failed brake disc is quite spectacular, and you won't get prior warning.
You could argue that tyres still have plenty of tread at 1.6mm, but the laws are there for a reason :P
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4x Omega's - 300k+ miles covered. Number of rear discs replaced = 0
Well whoop di doo...
Mine is on its third set of rear discs in 255k, so go figure...
Sorry, fourth set. Plod put a set on it at about 75k :y
Think some people need to read road ahead better :o
That's appalling wear rate for rear discs
I make that about 85k per set. Thats not bad.
Might want to check your maths there, 4 sets over 255k is about 64k.
Still think that's very poor, the 3.0 estate is on its original rear discs at 110k.
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rear brakes
1mm is ok in my book. That's a tiny lip, worn but still good. How are the pads?
::) Ahem... I know you'd reuse your screenwash if you could find a way to collect it, but that is potentially dangerous advice :-\
1mm on each face = 2mm = minimum thickness = change them :y
Should be able to get rear discs for £30-35 each :y
Irrespective of mileage achieved from discs/pads I agree with Al. To recommend continuing to use discs at their minimum (or less than minimum) thickness is bad and dangerous advice. To the op - if rear discs at minimum thickness, replace - they wont get thicker with use ::) For rear brakes pattern discs/pads generally ok, but for front use genuine Vx discs and pads (around £100 the set on TC) ;)
HTH
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Obviously doesn't do anything...
Besides not all the brake parts that I have replaced have always been genuine, so life expectancy is price related :y
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4x Omega's - 300k+ miles covered. Number of rear discs replaced = 0
Well whoop di doo...
Mine is on its third set of rear discs in 255k, so go figure...
Sorry, fourth set. Plod put a set on it at about 75k :y
Think some people need to read road ahead better :o
That's appalling wear rate for rear discs
I make that about 85k per set. Thats not bad.
Might want to check your maths there, 4 sets over 255k is about 64k.
Still think that's very poor, the 3.0 estate is on its original rear discs at 110k.
Ah, yeah, but ETA uses some shit stuff ;D. The old bill changed at 75k, presumably with GM again. so if the first 2 sets lasted 175k, then the pattern shit he slapped on 40k each?
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4x Omega's - 300k+ miles covered. Number of rear discs replaced = 0
Well whoop di doo...
Mine is on its third set of rear discs in 255k, so go figure...
Sorry, fourth set. Plod put a set on it at about 75k :y
Think some people need to read road ahead better :o
That's appalling wear rate for rear discs
I make that about 85k per set. Thats not bad.
Might want to check your maths there, 4 sets over 255k is about 64k.
Still think that's very poor, the 3.0 estate is on its original rear discs at 110k.
Traction control (with 4 channel ABS) on my F/L 2.6 uses the rear brakes. Traction control on my PFL 2.5 (with only 3 channel ABS) didn't/couldn't.
I changed the discs on my 2.5 after about 170K to sort the parking brake (not because of disc thickness). On my 2.6 I fitted new disks soon after I bought it at about 130K and the disks are just about worn out now at 180K.
64K seems reasonable for a F/L. 100K plus seems reasonable for a PFL
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75k is much better than 40k..
So as a police pursuit car, used very heavily genuine last 75k? Fair to assume in civilian use 100k+ is easily done. :)
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Current set is TC all round, fitted at 238k in March :y
Fronts were all but one set were TC, pads anything available on a Saturday lunch time, mostly Apec ::)
Discs generally changed every other pad change. Front discs are sixth set iirc :y
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75k is much better than 40k..
So as a police pursuit car, used very heavily genuine last 75k? Fair to assume in civilian use 100k+ is easily archived. :)
Nope Collision Investigation, lightly used 97k in 4.5 years ::) Not so lightly used 162k in 4.5 years.
Traffic cars do a set of tyres every 3k, brake discs barely last 20k, and are often defected due to warping...
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75k is much better than 40k..
So as a police pursuit car, used very heavily genuine last 75k? Fair to assume in civilian use 100k+ is easily done. :)
I think mine took a hammering trying to drive in snow last winter (I turned out of my drive, went 100 yards slightly downhill then took 4 hours to get it back to the house, I didn't dare leave it unnattended at the bottom of a dip on a slight bend :()
If the police car had LSD then the traction control wouldn't have needed to kick in to prevent 1 wheel spinning up so might not be a fair comparison.
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75k is much better than 40k..
So as a police pursuit car, used very heavily genuine last 75k? Fair to assume in civilian use 100k+ is easily archived. :)
Nope Collision Investigation, lightly used 97k in 4.5 years ::) Not so lightly used 162k in 4.5 years.
Traffic cars do a set of tyres every 3k, brake discs barely last 20k, and are often defected due to warping...
3k? TB must be moon lighting as undercover plod ;D
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Gen rear discs are £88 inc vat on trade club, pads arnt showing but are around £15 istr. If I can help with parts let me know. I'm in the trade so get discount at euro car parts ect if you want to go non genuine. Let Me know and I'll see what I can do.
Lee.
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75k is much better than 40k..
So as a police pursuit car, used very heavily genuine last 75k? Fair to assume in civilian use 100k+ is easily done. :)
I think mine took a hammering trying to drive in snow last winter (I turned out of my drive, went 100 yards slightly downhill then took 4 hours to get it back to the house, I didn't dare leave it unnattended at the bottom of a dip on a slight bend :()
If the police car had LSD then the traction control wouldn't have needed to kick in to prevent 1 wheel spinning up so might not be a fair comparison.
It does 8), the two actually work well together, the diff puts the torque on the road, and the TC keeps it straight. Still gets a workout attempting to tame the laws of physics though...