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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: andy_myers on 28 October 2013, 20:16:16

Title: supercharger?
Post by: andy_myers on 28 October 2013, 20:16:16
Im thinking about a supercharger conversion for my 2.6 v6. Just looking for a bit of advice on how to do the conversion including cost and fitting also some pics would be helpful  :)
Title: Re: supercharger?
Post by: ted_one on 28 October 2013, 20:24:27
You need to speak to HooverMig as he has already done this to his PFL 2.5 :y
Title: Re: supercharger?
Post by: tunnie on 28 October 2013, 20:26:20
From what I understand, cooling is the biggest problem. If going to such large expense, why not Supercharge the 3.2? I believe that has a stronger crank
Title: Re: supercharger?
Post by: Kevin Wood on 28 October 2013, 20:29:38
Yep, no point in going down the tuning route without starting with the most powerful option, IMHO.
Title: Re: supercharger?
Post by: 05omegav6 on 28 October 2013, 20:47:07
Yep, no point in going down the tuning route without starting with the most powerful option, IMHO.

Unless you go the readily available route...

 http://www.vx220.org.uk/forums/topic/67414-supercharger-self-fit-kit/page-2  (http://www.vx220.org.uk/forums/topic/67414-supercharger-self-fit-kit/page-2)

... which will make Desmond fly :y
Title: Re: supercharger?
Post by: Broomies Mate on 28 October 2013, 20:50:25
It is my understanding that the 3.2 has the best ability to handle 'more' power.

It is also my understanding that anything 'more' will kill it anyway.

 :-\
Title: Re: supercharger?
Post by: 05omegav6 on 28 October 2013, 20:57:30
It is my understanding that the 3.2 has the best ability to handle 'more' power.

It is also my understanding that anything 'more' will kill it anyway.

 :-\

Which is precisely why the retail SAAB 3.0 turbo only puts out 200bhp ::)
Title: Re: supercharger?
Post by: Broomies Mate on 28 October 2013, 21:02:53
It is my understanding that the 3.2 has the best ability to handle 'more' power.

It is also my understanding that anything 'more' will kill it anyway.

 :-\

Which is precisely why the retail SAAB 3.0 turbo only puts out 200bhp ::)

Quoted for prosperity.


Please explain?
Title: Re: supercharger?
Post by: serek on 28 October 2013, 21:06:31
It is my understanding that the 3.2 has the best ability to handle 'more' power.

It is also my understanding that anything 'more' will kill it anyway.

 :-\

Which is precisely why the retail SAAB 3.0 turbo only puts out 200bhp ::)
there few people who run those engine with 300+ bhp with out problem
Title: Re: supercharger?
Post by: serek on 28 October 2013, 21:09:05
From what I understand, cooling is the biggest problem. If going to such large expense, why not Supercharge the 3.2? I believe that has a stronger crank
can you explain please.
Title: Re: supercharger?
Post by: 05omegav6 on 28 October 2013, 21:16:29
Tuning the standard v6, 3.2 included much over stock will only serve to break or blow summat up. The more highly tuned, the quicker it will go bang.

Which (only having one turbo aside) is probably why Saab only tuned their turbocharged 3.0V6 to 200bhp, instead of the 215ish of the normally aspirated Omega lump that it's based on...

Obviously, if the internals are uprated, then there's a better chance of it reliably taking more power, but there are more tuneable engines to be starting with :-\
Title: Re: supercharger?
Post by: Broomies Mate on 28 October 2013, 21:18:38
That's why I wanted it clarified, because I have been reliably informed that the GM v6 bottom end is much like toffee.  ;D
Title: Re: supercharger?
Post by: 05omegav6 on 28 October 2013, 21:21:41
That's why I wanted it clarified, because I have been reliably informed that the GM v6 bottom end is much like toffee.  ;D
They can't be that bad, I haven't broken mine...


...yet :-X
Title: Re: supercharger?
Post by: Broomies Mate on 28 October 2013, 21:24:20
That's why I wanted it clarified, because I have been reliably informed that the GM v6 bottom end is much like toffee.  ;D
They can't be that bad, I haven't broken mine...


...yet :-X

Ah, but do you have any performance mods?

I like to get where I'm going - Driving nowadays is tedious at best.  I'll even admit to WOT when stone cold, due to retards pissing me off.

So far, so good!  :y
Title: Re: supercharger?
Post by: 05omegav6 on 28 October 2013, 21:33:12
Only a heavy right foot ;D
Title: Re: supercharger?
Post by: Broomies Mate on 28 October 2013, 21:40:37
Only a heavy right foot ;D

We share a common interest!  ;D



In answer to OP.

Supercharging/Turbocharging the V6 will not end well unless you spend a fortune on the Engine.

I've heard good results from LET's in the Omega.  Having said that, I'd prefer torque all through the range rather than a shoddy RR day certificate!  :y
Title: Re: supercharger?
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 28 October 2013, 22:14:36
if you have plenty of time, good funds , know of good garages with equipment and patience, go for it.. (but not with 2.6)

if you want a quick and easy solution go for a sports car..
Title: Re: supercharger?
Post by: tunnie on 28 October 2013, 22:16:03
From what I understand, cooling is the biggest problem. If going to such large expense, why not Supercharge the 3.2? I believe that has a stronger crank
can you explain please.

From my basic understanding, the extra power creates more heat. Which is a problem for pots 5/6, least that's what I read from here. That large amounts of more power, caused cooling issues and it was difficult to cool  :-\
Title: Re: supercharger?
Post by: omega3000 on 28 October 2013, 22:31:52
If running hot is the problem then surely a better cooling system would be installed , not run the existing rad ect  :-\
Title: Re: supercharger?
Post by: tunnie on 28 October 2013, 23:01:21
If running hot is the problem then surely a better cooling system would be installed , not run the existing rad ect  :-\

My understanding was the circulation around the cylinder, so bigger rad would not improve things.
Title: Re: supercharger?
Post by: chrisgixer on 28 October 2013, 23:06:04
If running hot is the problem then surely a better cooling system would be installed , not run the existing rad ect  :-\
Bottom end bearings are the problem. Cooling system runs double the capacity in an ls1 so the cooling is fine.
Title: Re: supercharger?
Post by: ted_one on 29 October 2013, 08:08:46
As I say you need to talk to HooverMig as he has done what you are thinking of doing,I have seen the car a couple of times and it's used on road and also track days.He is a very knowledgeable guy and although his car is a pre facelift 2.5 he may well be able to give you some pointers to get you started on your project.....or not, as I really would'nt know wether the 2.6 engine would be the right unit for this type of upgrade. :y