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Omega Help Area => Omega General Help => Topic started by: Webby the Bear on 04 December 2013, 16:10:08
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Hi guys,
Had a bag of time after college today to get to all the suspension checks done to find out where this creaking's coming from.
All 4 springs good
All drop links - no play or noise at all with it jacked up (I pulled the ARB right next to the drop link in a vertical way... nothing!
ARB - nothing
Wishbone ball joints - no movement at all (with car on't ground as I drove it on the drive)
no play from moving all wheels at 12/6 and 9/3
Donut bushes - tried pushing inwards (side to side) on the big rubber bump things and no movement
Exhaust moved about - no noise
so scratching my head thinking wtf
i hose down the front wishbone bushes, anti roll bar bushes and donut bushes with silicone spray. take it out to the place with all the speed bumps and noise has gone. even took them at 25 and just a normal sound as opposed to the creaking ive been getting.
So....
Front WB bushes (and ill do ARB bushes while I'm there as apparently they're easy)
Donut bushes...can you get poly versions of these?
only other thing of note is that there is some ''stuff'' on the rear O/S damper.... looks like dirt mixed with oil that's kinda dry-ish. presuming this is failing but i cleaned it off and will recheck in a few weeks as its not giving me any noise or problems... or at least i don't think so :)
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Front WB bushes (and ill do ARB bushes while I'm there as apparently they're easy)
Donut bushes...can you get poly versions of these?
only other thing of note is that there is some ''stuff'' on the rear O/S damper.... looks like dirt mixed with oil that's kinda dry-ish. presuming this is failing but i cleaned it off and will recheck in a few weeks as its not giving me any noise or problems... or at least i don't think so :)
Yes you can get poly doughnuts. That's what the group buy was about late last year. :y Are they any good.......... I don't know as mine are still on a shelf in the garage. :)
Shock absorbers tend to leak a 'mist' of oil as they get tired.
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Front WB bushes (and ill do ARB bushes while I'm there as apparently they're easy)
Donut bushes...can you get poly versions of these?
only other thing of note is that there is some ''stuff'' on the rear O/S damper.... looks like dirt mixed with oil that's kinda dry-ish. presuming this is failing but i cleaned it off and will recheck in a few weeks as its not giving me any noise or problems... or at least i don't think so :)
Yes you can get poly doughnuts. That's what the group buy was about late last year. :y Are they any good.......... I don't know as mine are still on a shelf in the garage. :)
Shock absorbers tend to leak a 'mist' of oil as they get tired.
aha! I think I remember that now you come to mention it :y
re the dampers yeah theres definitely ''wetness''. but for now its not giving me any issues so ill roll with it for the mean time. check it again in a few weeks :y
oh one other thing to note.... no uneven tyre wear at all. and I had my car set up at wim a year or so back :y
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Front WB bushes (and ill do ARB bushes while I'm there as apparently they're easy)
Donut bushes...can you get poly versions of these?
only other thing of note is that there is some ''stuff'' on the rear O/S damper.... looks like dirt mixed with oil that's kinda dry-ish. presuming this is failing but i cleaned it off and will recheck in a few weeks as its not giving me any noise or problems... or at least i don't think so :)
Yes you can get poly doughnuts. That's what the group buy was about late last year. :y Are they any good.......... I don't know as mine are still on a shelf in the garage. :)
Shock absorbers tend to leak a 'mist' of oil as they get tired.
aha! I think I remember that now you come to mention it :y
re the dampers yeah theres definitely ''wetness''. but for now its not giving me any issues so ill roll with it for the mean time. check it again in a few weeks :y
oh one other thing to note.... no uneven tyre wear at all. and I had my car set up at wim a year or so back :y
I remember as I was there watching them work on it, on the Open Day at MK. :y
My wishbone front poly bushes creaked like a barsteward until I re-greased them so probably similar with your rubber bushes.
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Front WB bushes (and ill do ARB bushes while I'm there as apparently they're easy)
Donut bushes...can you get poly versions of these?
only other thing of note is that there is some ''stuff'' on the rear O/S damper.... looks like dirt mixed with oil that's kinda dry-ish. presuming this is failing but i cleaned it off and will recheck in a few weeks as its not giving me any noise or problems... or at least i don't think so :)
Yes you can get poly doughnuts. That's what the group buy was about late last year. :y Are they any good.......... I don't know as mine are still on a shelf in the garage. :)
Shock absorbers tend to leak a 'mist' of oil as they get tired.
aha! I think I remember that now you come to mention it :y
re the dampers yeah theres definitely ''wetness''. but for now its not giving me any issues so ill roll with it for the mean time. check it again in a few weeks :y
oh one other thing to note.... no uneven tyre wear at all. and I had my car set up at wim a year or so back :y
I remember as I was there watching them work on it, on the Open Day at MK. :y
My wishbone front poly bushes creaked like a barsteward until I re-greased them so probably similar with your rubber bushes.
Sorry mate I have a memory like a sieve!!!! :-[ :-[ :-[
cheers mate. will get on to it..... as soon as I can find two pennies to rub together :-[
is the donut bush job an easy one?
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ps when I do order them will I need quantity as one or two...
http://www.larkspeed.com/index.pl?p=2413PF80902&a=i
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Sorry mate I have a memory like a sieve!!!! :-[ :-[ :-[
cheers mate. will get on to it..... as soon as I can find two pennies to rub together :-[
is the donut bush job an easy one?
I didn't mean it like that, I just meant that I remembered seeing you there. ;D ;D :y
Mr Gixer's the doughnut man, best to ask him how hard it is. :y
I hate Christmas smileys, I can't get my point across in the same manner as the standard smileys. ;D ;D
ps when I do order them will I need quantity as one or two...
http://www.larkspeed.com/index.pl?p=2413PF80902&a=i
Front bush poly's come as a pack of two, ie 4 halves, so you only need to order one pack. :y
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Sorry mate I have a memory like a sieve!!!! :-[ :-[ :-[
cheers mate. will get on to it..... as soon as I can find two pennies to rub together :-[
is the donut bush job an easy one?
I didn't mean it like that, I just meant that I remembered seeing you there. ;D ;D :y
Mr Gixer's the doughnut man, best to ask him how hard it is. :y
I hate Christmas smileys, I can't get my point across in the same manner as the standard smileys. ;D ;D
ps when I do order them will I need quantity as one or two...
http://www.larkspeed.com/index.pl?p=2413PF80902&a=i
Front bush poly's come as a pack of two, ie 4 halves, so you only need to order one pack. :y
bit harsh mate ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
yeah im not keen on them either.... does that make us bar humbugs? :-\ ;D
awesome. cheers for the info buddy....£50 it is
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Checking the joints with the cars weight on the won't tell you anything...
It's a bit like putting your hand in a press and wondering why you can't move your fingers ::)
Get the car up in the air, wheels off and get a pry bar into all the suspension joints :y
(that thumbs up smiley is irritatingly gay...)
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Checking the joints with the cars weight on the won't tell you anything...
It's a bit like putting your hand in a press and wondering why you can't move your fingers ::)
Get the car up in the air, wheels off and get a pry bar into all the suspension joints :y
(that thumbs up smiley is irritatingly gay...)
Sorry if I didn't make it clear :-[
the only things I checked with car on ground was the WB ball joints as per CG's recommendation.
Everything else was checked with car on axle stands with a massive screw driver pry bar :y :y :y :y
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I'll let you off then ;D
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I'll let you off then ;D
Cheers mate ::) ;D
not looking forward to the removal of the old bush though :'( the only cutting tool i have is a junior hacksaw :'( :'( :'(
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Take the wishbones into college... the bushes won't take two seconds to push out :y
Rear donuts need a hammer, chisel and pry bar to liberate...
Polys simply push in with a bit of copperslip :y
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Hi guys,
Had a bag of time after college today to get to all the suspension checks done to find out where this creaking's coming from.
All 4 springs good
All drop links - no play or noise at all with it jacked up (I pulled the ARB right next to the drop link in a vertical way... nothing!
ARB - nothing
Wishbone ball joints - no movement at all (with car on't ground as I drove it on the drive)
no play from moving all wheels at 12/6 and 9/3
Donut bushes - tried pushing inwards (side to side) on the big rubber bump things and no movement
Exhaust moved about - no noise
so scratching my head thinking wtf
i hose down the front wishbone bushes, anti roll bar bushes and donut bushes with silicone spray. take it out to the place with all the speed bumps and noise has gone. even took them at 25 and just a normal sound as opposed to the creaking ive been getting.
So....
Front WB bushes (and ill do ARB bushes while I'm there as apparently they're easy)
Donut bushes...can you get poly versions of these?
only other thing of note is that there is some ''stuff'' on the rear O/S damper.... looks like dirt mixed with oil that's kinda dry-ish. presuming this is failing but i cleaned it off and will recheck in a few weeks as its not giving me any noise or problems... or at least i don't think so :)
You got a barrel of it or something ;D Glad you sorted it :y
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sprayed my miggys suspension parts couple of weeks ago done 400+ miles since-still no creaking :y leaving miggy as is for now tll Herald finished and weather warms up a bit :y
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sprayed my miggys suspension parts couple of weeks ago done 400+ miles since-still no creaking :y leaving miggy as is for now tll Herald finished and weather warms up a bit :y
Exactly why I did it mate. thanks for the tip :y :y :y
Haha when I say hose down... I mean it ;) I figured if I was trying to stop a creak to find out where it was then I'd need a lot ;D
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Take the wishbones into college... the bushes won't take two seconds to push out :y
Rear donuts need a hammer, chisel and pry bar to liberate...
Polys simply push in with a bit of copperslip :y
Thanks Taxi... i'll see what they say as they normally let the kids take their cars in and do work on them so with a bit of luck they'll let me.. hell, I've borrowed most of the tools at some point or another ::) ;D
With the rear donuts.... do I need to take the centre bolt out I assume?
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You can leave it in, but you'll never get the plate off or the bush out ::)
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You can leave it in, but you'll never get the plate off or the bush out ::)
thought so ::)
are there any hidden bolts or just that centre one? so bolt out, pry down, pop bush out, new one in, button up? :)
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ignore that... found chris's helpful guide :y
seems a lot of potential problems getting them out if they haven't completely failed.....I take it you cant simply cut them out with Mr Stanley? i.e. just keep hanging away at them til they're nothing other than shreds of rubber?
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ignore that... found chris's helpful guide :y
seems a lot of potential problems getting them out if they haven't completely failed.....I take it you cant simply cut them out with Mr Stanley? i.e. just keep hanging away at them til they're nothing other than shreds of rubber?
Nope. They have a substantial metal insert moulded into the bush. You may well get the centre out, but that's of no use at all.
This is an awkward job tbh. Even if the bush is in good nick. If it's separated they have to be dug out with a stick/pry bar/hammer and chisel/claw hammer, what ever you have that gives leverage or folds the outer body in on itself.
...although I prefer a baring puller with the centre bolt refitted, this doesn't work if the bush metal is rusted as it just folds up, the baring puller pops off and the bush doesn't move.
Why do I have a feeling we changed yours though...? You did say the rubber bump stop didn't move, so that would imply the rear donuts are ok, no?
I remember doing rear springs in yours defo. Other than that.... :-\
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Ps, have you tried re greasing the front plolys? Or is this noise defo from the rear?
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Thanks Chris.
no it was definitely just rear springs and shocks :)
the creaking is from rear and front. I can tell when front wheels go over a speed hump and creak.... then the rears go over and creak also.
but as said silicone spraying them (front and rear) got rid of the noise in its entirety.